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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: cillisia on 05/01/2009 14:27:58 Didn't really know where to post this but due to the current economy eve is becoming fairly expensive to play, a month by month subscription costs 14.95 euros, which is now around the same price in pounds stirling, now considering another popular mmorpg costs ú8.99 a month and eve is now costing around ú15 a month it makes me wonder what is making eve cost such a premium as well as the reason why people in the usa get to play the game for nearly 30% less than in the uk and europe?
Thoughts?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:32:00 -
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Guess you should have jumped on the euro when you had the chance.
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:33:00 -
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Blame your country's economy. If your currency is worth less, its not our fault.
Btw, it wasn't always this way, US paid 50% more than we do now just 6-8 months ago. Just keeping paying the $15 and forget about how much other countries are paying. If you don't like the value of your country's currency, move.
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Vohstor Kral
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:34:00 -
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CCP is not in control of exchange rates.
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ouroboros trading
Gallente Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:35:00 -
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gordon brown got us into this mess and gordon brown will get us out of it
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:38:00 -
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CCP isn't responsible for this issue. CCP charge a single price for everyone in Europe and it's just unfortunate that that now costs more money for those of us in the UK. If you can no longer afford to play or don't feel it is worth the money then don't play.
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Soi Mala
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:39:00 -
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:45:00 -
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I realise that its the economy which is the problem, however there is a large base of eve players in the UK, why not offer a subscription price in GBP just like the american players get?
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Elena Morin'staal
Minmatar Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: ouroboros trading gordon brown got us into this mess and gordon brown will get us out of it
You believe that you probably believe WoW is a game for mature intelligent people 
On a Serious Note, I've experienced this as well. I pay to play with GTC's from Evetimecode.com, and they charge $35 dollars, which when I started was about ú18/19. Last time I bought one, it was up to ú23.
Sucks, but they ain't changing price, its just the ups and downs of the economy.
At the highs of the ú, sadly before I was playing, we could get 60 days GTC for just a little over ú16/17 - not bad at all 
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: cillisia I realise that its the economy which is the problem, however there is a large base of eve players in the UK, why not offer a subscription price in GBP just like the american players get?
It would probably start to get more complicated for CCP like that. And again, they'd just charge the same price because they don't want to start losing loads of money at a time when money isn't necessarily very forthcoming. They charge euros for the Euro area, and dollars for the Americas and that sort of area. Places like Australia as well perhaps.
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 14:59:00 -
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Well it would be more fair if the amount they charged in dollars more closely reflected the amount the europeans pay at least... ie $20 a month obviously exchange rates change, but a alteration to sub costs to balance things out a little might make things a little more... balanced 
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:01:00 -
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buy in 12 mths bits 131 euros still cheaper than monthly -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Dwain Chambers
Big S Triangle
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
It would probably start to get more complicated for CCP like that. And again, they'd just charge the same price because they don't want to start losing loads of money at a time when money isn't necessarily very forthcoming. They charge euros for the Euro area, and dollars for the Americas and that sort of area. Places like Australia as well perhaps.
yes poor CCP, it would be so hard for them.
Oh wait... a large proportion of the Eve playerbase comes from the UK, a reasonably large proportion of their Eve related costs will be in GBP (the servers are based in London), they seem to have a higher number of subscribers than ever before (read: are making more money than ever before) and their operating costs have probably dropped dramatically over the last few months (thanks to both the ISK and the pound crashing against both the Euro and the Dollar)... is it really unreasonable to ask that they bill in more than 2 currencies? other software companies do, I don't see why CCP can't.
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Commanderess
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dwain Chambers
Originally by: Asestorian
It would probably start to get more complicated for CCP like that. And again, they'd just charge the same price because they don't want to start losing loads of money at a time when money isn't necessarily very forthcoming. They charge euros for the Euro area, and dollars for the Americas and that sort of area. Places like Australia as well perhaps.
yes poor CCP, it would be so hard for them.
Oh wait... a large proportion of the Eve playerbase comes from the UK, a reasonably large proportion of their Eve related costs will be in GBP (the servers are based in London), they seem to have a higher number of subscribers than ever before (read: are making more money than ever before) and their operating costs have probably dropped dramatically over the last few months (thanks to both the ISK and the pound crashing against both the Euro and the Dollar)... is it really unreasonable to ask that they bill in more than 2 currencies? other software companies do, I don't see why CCP can't.
Where were you guys complaining that your subscription costs were so cheap for the last year+?
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dwain Chambers
Originally by: Asestorian
It would probably start to get more complicated for CCP like that. And again, they'd just charge the same price because they don't want to start losing loads of money at a time when money isn't necessarily very forthcoming. They charge euros for the Euro area, and dollars for the Americas and that sort of area. Places like Australia as well perhaps.
yes poor CCP, it would be so hard for them.
Oh wait... a large proportion of the Eve playerbase comes from the UK, a reasonably large proportion of their Eve related costs will be in GBP (the servers are based in London), they seem to have a higher number of subscribers than ever before (read: are making more money than ever before) and their operating costs have probably dropped dramatically over the last few months (thanks to both the ISK and the pound crashing against both the Euro and the Dollar)... is it really unreasonable to ask that they bill in more than 2 currencies? other software companies do, I don't see why CCP can't.
Ohnoes an outsider knows more about CCP's finances then CCP self, you should work there! _
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:22:00 -
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Sub costs have always been more GBP than all other leading MMORPG's since i started playing in november 2007, and it would be nice for CCP to drop the cost to make it more competitive, might get them a few more players even and probably make them more money in the long run
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:32:00 -
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So if CCP listens and adopts local pricing for Great Britain, what happens when the pound is strong again? Will the same people be back asking for a unified European price? -------------------
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:38:00 -
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I'm just saying that pricing should be a little more fair than it is currently, it would be easier if they just made everyone pay in one currency tbh and then pricing could be revised every 12 months or so to keep it in line with other similar MMO's or simply in line with a profit margin set by CCP
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: cillisia Sub costs have always been more GBP than all other leading MMORPG's since i started playing in november 2007, and it would be nice for CCP to drop the cost to make it more competitive, might get them a few more players even and probably make them more money in the long run
Whine! Didn't ear you complain when the GBP was more valuable!
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:47:00 -
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of course you didn't, who complains about being charged too little! its always the people on the wrong side of the fence who balance things up...
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: cillisia of course you didn't, who complains about being charged too little! its always the people on the wrong side of the fence who balance things up...
hehe, as Abrazzar said, you should have jumped on the euro when you had the chance... 
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Mellow Fellow
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:53:00 -
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Yeah a GBP pricing option would be great. ú16.52 it cost on my last sub which is very uncompetitive.
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Dwain Chambers
Big S Triangle
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert Ohnoes an outsider knows more about CCP's finances then CCP self, you should work there!
OK, you are right; most of my last post was based on conjecture and assumptions so here's an argument that isn't: A large section of the Eve player base has just had their sub cost increase by around 50% at a time when many people are feeling uncertain about spending money... most companies would regard this as undesirable. Pricing the game in local currencies would allow CCP to gradually change the price and so reduce the shock value caused by large and rapid fluctuations in the value of individual currencies (see the way CCP obfuscated the recent GTC cost increase by replacing 30 and 90 day GTCs with 60 day GTCs as an example of CCP trying to reduce the impact of price hikes).
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:18:00 -
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Yeah, I agree, anyways this discussion is pretty pointless as CCP won't listen, does anyone have any thoughts on whether a subscription price cut would actually give CCP more profit by enticing old players back and attracting new players?
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Unity Love
Caldari Quasar Fleet
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:21:00 -
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It really is starting to be a drain on finances.
CCP should show some consideration to their player base and make subs available in ú.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:25:00 -
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hedfunk
Caldari Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:29:00 -
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It is getting pretty expensive actually.
Nevermind, give it 10-20 years and the euro wont exist :)
Socialist revolutinaries with guns = bad Iraqis with guns = Insurgent Terrorists Americans with guns = Patriots
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cillisia
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:32:00 -
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in 20 years you can even have a maxed out character! well that is if the game is still going and they don't add any more skills, which they will, anyway I'll stop derailing my own thread
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 05/01/2009 20:15:33
Originally by: cillisia I'm just saying that pricing should be a little more fair than it is currently.
Exchange Rates
'Fair' doesn't enter into it. It's all down to international economics and politics. CCP are in no way reasonable and should not be asked to compensate you for it. It makes no more sense than expecting them to subsidise your heating or food costs.
Sorry.
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ghost437
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:25:00 -
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Hopefully gordon brown will save the eve world like he did with the real world!
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Elik Phossary
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:23:00 -
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I think that Eve is relatively expensive and that we should all pay in one currency (Euros), even if that does not favour certain economies.
These days, more and more MMO games are providing alternative ways of generating revenue and are becoming cheaper, even free in some cases.
I think CCP should drop the price of subscription when they bring out the new boxed set and get a double-whammy bit of publicity.
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:27:00 -
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I <3 gordon brown and his crazy mouth tic
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: ghost437 Hopefully gordon brown will save the eve world like he did with the real world!
Then Eve is doomed just like he's doomed the UK.
He couldn't save a cat from drowning in a puddle. He's got his head so far up his own ass, he probably wouldn't even see the cat. He has a habit of seperating the wheat from the chaff and then offers us the chaff with a line that there's economic value in it. Stupid Brits accept it though and proclaim him the hero.
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Cire XIII
Caldari Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.05 22:24:00 -
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The CSM results include subscriptions percentage by country. UK has around the same percentage of players that those under the Euro have. (~14% and 20% respectively) .
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jitawhore
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Posted - 2009.01.05 22:45:00 -
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lol it will not be long till your currency nose dives lol euro???????? welcome to the credit crunch lol
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.05 22:47:00 -
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Anyone saying that its not CCP's fault is 100%, however to say that it isnt CCP's issue is totally wrong. People seem to forget that this is a business being run before it is a game. If the pricing becomes uncompetitive compared with most other games then they may worry about losing large chunks of their user base at a time like this. How many player in the UK have multiple accounts and will be going down to just the one because of the costs?
Also its not just about losing current customers but also about attracting new ones. A player decides that they are bored of playing WoW and looks at other MMO's to try. Well there is Warhammer, Everquest, Conan, Eve, etc. They try out a couple and cant decide which to actually subscribe to until they see the pricing, then they instantly cross eve off the list of potentials.
Whilst at first glance it would be less profitable for CCP to introduce subs in sterling, in the long term that may be less damaging to the customer base.
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Bronze Beard
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Posted - 2009.01.05 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak Anyone saying that its not CCP's fault is 100%, however to say that it isnt CCP's issue is totally wrong. People seem to forget that this is a business being run before it is a game. If the pricing becomes uncompetitive compared with most other games then they may worry about losing large chunks of their user base at a time like this. How many player in the UK have multiple accounts and will be going down to just the one because of the costs?
Also its not just about losing current customers but also about attracting new ones. A player decides that they are bored of playing WoW and looks at other MMO's to try. Well there is Warhammer, Everquest, Conan, Eve, etc. They try out a couple and cant decide which to actually subscribe to until they see the pricing, then they instantly cross eve off the list of potentials.
Whilst at first glance it would be less profitable for CCP to introduce subs in sterling, in the long term that may be less damaging to the customer base.
This
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.05 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak Anyone saying that its not CCP's fault is 100%, however to say that it isnt CCP's issue is totally wrong. People seem to forget that this is a business being run before it is a game. If the pricing becomes uncompetitive compared with most other games then they may worry about losing large chunks of their user base at a time like this. How many player in the UK have multiple accounts and will be going down to just the one because of the costs?
Also its not just about losing current customers but also about attracting new ones. A player decides that they are bored of playing WoW and looks at other MMO's to try. Well there is Warhammer, Everquest, Conan, Eve, etc. They try out a couple and cant decide which to actually subscribe to until they see the pricing, then they instantly cross eve off the list of potentials.
Whilst at first glance it would be less profitable for CCP to introduce subs in sterling, in the long term that may be less damaging to the customer base.
You.....
Are an ecnomic genius.
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Bartolomeo Colleoni
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.06 00:11:00 -
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Whinging Poms? 
Seriously guys this is simple global economics, nothing new. To expect CCP to drop their prices just because your exchange rate has worsened is ridiculous.
For myself in Australia the cost of my EVE subscription has increased by 30%+ in the last few months.
However on the plus side petrol costs have dropped about $0.50 / litre in the last month or so, and considering I use about 200 litres of fuel a month that's another $100 in my pocket a month enough to cover the increase in EVE subscription and buy a couple of slabs of beer on top. 
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