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Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Jacob Mei 1. It was a woman in detention that was under survellance, not the cop. Incorrect. Video and audio evidence is a two way door. If an officer fails to read a man his rights on camera then the case can be thrown out. Our lawyers have as much right to that evidence as they do. Originally by: Jacob Mei 2. The cop was stupid enough to assume that he wouldnt be connected to turning off the camera (tell me, what does THAT tell you about police?) Correct. He was stupid enough to think that he wouldn't be investigated after she filed charges against him and his department. That being said, internal affairs was able to actually use the video's timestamp with before and after footage as evidence to convict the officer. In a lot of these cases I do have to wonder what goes through law enforcements minds as they should know better than anybody that it's not a matter of IF, but WHEN. Originally by: Jacob Mei 3. The enviroment was under near or complete survellance where as your previous example has what, only a 90 degree view in one direction? Suspect and officer need only step a few feet to be out of the cameras field of view. I guess you haven't learned how criminal investigation works yet. A man turned off the camera and still got caught. Officers cannot turn off dash cams. Audio is not restricted to 90 degrees. And a single bruise tells a wealth of knowledge. Originally by: Jacob Mei Tell you what, live where I do and deal with the police in my town and then you can tell me to stop whining. Yeah yeah I know, the grass is always greener and my area is corrupt officer free blah blah blah. Originally by: Jacob Mei Public trust is just as important as ability for a police force to function. If that public trust is broken even by a few bad seeds the whole thing goes out the window. This is why ombudsmen started becoming a big deal several years back. I know that around here anytime an officer is involved in a shooting he receives leave with pay while detectives and the ombudsman fully investigates the incident. Reports are later opened to the public through county records.
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. That's all that had to be said, really :) I think " Without security there can be no society " is a far more important quote ! The police are now more and more using ANPR cameras and that is why more people are pulled for checks, quite often the cars that are stopped for no insurance,tax or mot are driven by people who use the same vehicle in crimes or for the purpose of transporting illegal goods. Not as stated by people here just to harass the poor innocent public.
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Tzar'rim The reason police/government (has to) step in is because parents have stopped parenting and have pushed away the responbilities towards schools and 'society'. They're far more interested in both having jobs, expensive houses, cars and holidays and think they have a right of having a great life and that 'someone else' should carry the burden of their children. If parents would understand that having children isn't a right but brings the hard obligation to put in effort and to sacrifice a part of their lifestyle to accomodate for those children then things would be a lot better. Childless nub openning its mouth and spewing out the same propaganda that is used by the police to obtain more and more power. I am not a childless nub as you put and i agree somewhat with this comment although its just not the parents that both have jobs and just wish to improve their own lifestyle that are the problem, i think it is endemic across the whole of our society from the unemployed to the very rich, we as a whole have very poor parenting skills. Nearly every subject you can think of are taught in schools but to they teach one of the most important ones namely that of being a parent? No they don't, but then again even if they did there still would be those that didn't give a damm about what their children were up to. Sadly its all part of being human.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.07 06:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Erik Killson Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. That's all that had to be said, really :) I think " Without security there can be no society " is a far more important quote ! There's a point where too much security becomes opression. Big brother was a shadow luking in the background before. It is becoming more like a predominant figure now. Quote: The police are now more and more using ANPR cameras and that is why more people are pulled for checks, quite often the cars that are stopped for no insurance,tax or mot are driven by people who use the same vehicle in crimes or for the purpose of transporting illegal goods. Not as stated by people here just to harass the poor innocent public. That just goes to show how dumb the police really are. No real criminal is going to risk being caught so easily, they know how easy it is to spot an untaxed car, you may catch petty thieves at the very most. It is all to do with getting more revenue from fines and no other reason. I get the impression that a negative IQ is pre-req to joining the police force. I am still waiting 6 months later for a response to a 999 call I made. The fact that the lives of myself and my workmate were at risk when I made the call is irrelevant I suppose. Someone with a pick axe handle was threatening to come in and beat us with it for not letting him in the gate, there was only a sheet of glass between him and us. My guess is they were too busy stopping motorists to bother with a minor incident like that. Different departments is *******s, I have never seen coppers on the beat in town centre unless they were in a patrol car checking out parked vehicles because they slow down every time they pass one. Police should start responding to calls from people who have had their homes broken into, cars broken into and even shoplifters. I've stood with a shoplifter waiting for an hour for a copper to come from around the corner since the police station was only 100 yards away. 3 patrol cars cruised past and I still had to wait for a copper to come from the other end of town on foot. It's the lack of response for this that is lowering the respect for police in the UK. If they have different departments, maybe they should look at re-assigning more to where they are needed instead of 90% to checking cars. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:41:00 - [65] Edited by: baltec1 on 07/01/2009 14:45:02 Originally by: Dantes Revenge That just goes to show how dumb the police really are. No real criminal is going to risk being caught so easily, they know how easy it is to spot an untaxed car, you may catch petty thieves at the very most. It is all to do with getting more revenue from fines and no other reason. I get the impression that a negative IQ is pre-req to joining the police force. How about appliying to your local police force then? But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? If yes then could you handle this day after day? As for the petty theif comment. Not too long ago police raided a house of a man belived to have stolen a wallet. They found a ********* farm worth several million pounds. As for the slow responces your seeing. Dispite what the government is saying things are not getting better and the police are streached. They have daft amounts of paperwork which must be filled in every time they make an action. Half of the time a cop is in the office filling out forms to at least make sure the person the just cought doesnt get off due to some box that wasnt ticked or some other technicality.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:02:00 - [66] Originally by: baltec1 But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? /me blinks Dear God what the **** is their problem? One runs out in traffic, mkay thats silly. Second one AFTER the Police are there runs in the middle of Traffic again? ...
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:51:00 - [67] Originally by: Erik Killson I am not a childless nub as you put and i agree somewhat with this comment although its just not the parents that both have jobs and just wish to improve their own lifestyle that are the problem, i think it is endemic across the whole of our society from the unemployed to the very rich, we as a whole have very poor parenting skills. Nearly every subject you can think of are taught in schools but to they teach one of the most important ones namely that of being a parent? No they don't, but then again even if they did there still would be those that didn't give a damm about what their children were up to. Sadly its all part of being human. So what happens when you chastise your children for stealing, fighting, mugging, robbing or all the other bad things they get up to? Do they call the Social Services and have them lock you up just because they can? Oh yes they do. Has the government use this as a tool of direct oppression? Definitely. After all which imbecil of a psychologist is going to advise you talk to a four year old as to why it shouldn't run across the road and should listen to its parents instead of giving it a smack on the arse and solving the problem once and for all? I will tell you, the insane ones (SS). My wife is a psychologist and she wishes she could shoot every single SS'er because they server no purpose. They, like the police, only go after soft targets because the real targets and those who need help aren't easy to get to. And then there're no reprecussions when they make mistakes, like directly cause the death of a child in their care. Victoria Climbie is a perfect example of their ultimate power. This SS'er refused to turn up to court to testify and all she got was a 500 pound fine. The excuse she gave as to why she didn't see the girl was that she was afraid to 'catch something'. They teach children to call the police if they get beaten, to report anything that their parents do that they might not like. What kind of society gives children the ultimate power? A Na-zi one.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:03:00 - [68] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: baltec1 But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? /me blinks Dear God what the **** is their problem? One runs out in traffic, mkay thats silly. Second one AFTER the Police are there runs in the middle of Traffic again? ... Not too bad looking though. I'd hit it...... um, wait......
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:29:00 - [69] Police forces are for keeping order in society. They don't really stop crime. They just manage the level of it to keep order and allow society to function. For example. Shoplifting. When individuals do it, only a fortunate appearance by a policeman will stop it. However, the existence of a police force stops people from shoplifting en-masse, i.e. looters. This allows shops and factories to actually function, and the people who are employed in them to make a living. So pre-emptive policing, such as stop-searching is only justifiable if it reduces the level of crime sufficiently that society can function. When people are afraid to go out in the evenings, because of fear of knife-gangs, then society is paralysed, and things like restaurants, cinemas and other leisure businesses are unviable. Pre-emptive policing stop-searching for knives increases people's confidence to go out in the evening.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Shirley Serious Police forces are for keeping order in society. They don't really stop crime. They just manage the level of it to keep order and allow society to function. For example. Shoplifting. When individuals do it, only a fortunate appearance by a policeman will stop it. However, the existence of a police force stops people from shoplifting en-masse, i.e. looters. This allows shops and factories to actually function, and the people who are employed in them to make a living. So pre-emptive policing, such as stop-searching is only justifiable if it reduces the level of crime sufficiently that society can function. When people are afraid to go out in the evenings, because of fear of knife-gangs, then society is paralysed, and things like restaurants, cinemas and other leisure businesses are unviable. Pre-emptive policing stop-searching for knives increases people's confidence to go out in the evening. So what does society do? Instead of solving the causes of the problems they gladly hand the police ever increasing amounts of power because it's easier to grasp at straws than work on a real solution.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Super Whopper So what does society do? Instead of solving the causes of the problems they gladly hand the police ever increasing amounts of power because it's easier to grasp at straws than work on a real solution. Causes of problems? The causes of the problems are that people are greedy, selfish and lazy. What solution is there to that? Yes. Yes, I am.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:45:00 - [72] Lock everyone up then.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Super Whopper Lock everyone up then. Prisons are full. But dispite this the government insist crime is down
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:20:00 - [74] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Super Whopper Lock everyone up then. Prisons are full. But dispite this the government insist crime is down Crime is Down. The media just doesn't sell papers unless bad things happen, so they must grab every small event by the balls and ********** it till it starts to make people lose interest. Who reports a government success? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 21:00:00 - [75] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Super Whopper Lock everyone up then. Prisons are full. But dispite this the government insist crime is down Crime is Down. The media just doesn't sell papers unless bad things happen, so they must grab every small event by the balls and ********** it till it starts to make people lose interest. Who reports a government success? The govenment has been spinning survays to make it look like crime is down. Knife crime for instance is three times higher than what the government reported.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:26:00 - [76] Originally by: baltec1 But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? Quite easily. I learned long ago to detatch myself from personal feelings in situations like this. While doing security I chased a shoplifter who was heading quickly for the door with a load of stuff she had pocketed who did the same thing across a busy road. Not only did I have to deal with that until the emergency services arrived but I also had to deal with her kid that she had run off and left behind, now screaming and terrified. I have arrested friends for shoplifting in the shop I was working at, they thought I wouldn't because they were friends. Quote: If yes then could you handle this day after day? Easily. Those girls are strangers so it would be easy to detach my feelings and get on with my job. In the Army, I have watched my friends die beside me, tried to give them comfort in the last few minutes of their life when I know they are finished. These are guys I have worked with, lived with, eaten with, they are as close to being family without being related as you can get. You think it's tough dealing with situations in that video, give me a break. Even try pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger just because they are wearing an enemy insignia. Taking a life is probably the hardest thing anyone can ever do and that's how I learned to detatch myself. Quote: As for the petty theif comment. Not too long ago police raided a house of a man belived to have stolen a wallet. They found a ******* farm worth several million pounds. So on the basis of a pure chance find, you feel that everyone's civil liberties should be curtailed? Quote:** As for the slow responces your seeing. Dispite what the government is saying things are not getting better and the police are streached. They have daft amounts of paperwork which must be filled in every time they make an action. Half of the time a cop is in the office filling out forms to at least make sure the person the just cought doesnt get off due to some box that wasnt ticked or some other technicality. It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. I can drive down the road from my house to town (about 2 miles) and I know full well, my vehicle has been checked for tax, insurance and MOT at least three times on the way. Once by a static camera and twice by patrol cars and I've got to know exactly where they sit watching the road. If that's not over manning for a particular department, I don't know what is. Especially when you consider that close to where I live but on a totally different route is the worst estate in the area for crime, drugs and all manner of assorted undesirables. I have looked out of my window, since I can sit reading on my windowsill and often do and I have never once seen a patrol car on that estate. That really shows me how the police deal with crime prevention, once any resident is on that estate with their loot, they know they are safe to carry it openly and I have seen quite a few do it. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:42:00 - [77] Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public ***** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Super Whopper So what does society do? Instead of solving the causes of the problems they gladly hand the police ever increasing amounts of power because it's easier to grasp at straws than work on a real solution. Causes of problems? The causes of the problems are that people are greedy, selfish and lazy. What solution is there to that? Not always. Much of the cause is poverty, low wages and it's actually the government who are greedy. High taxation on top of low wages brings poverty and when we hit economical issues like the one currently, even higher prices means many don't have the means to pay for it all. Since the gov't has given power to courts to seize your bank account if you don't pay bills etc, everyone knows that they can't default. The only thing you can cut back on is your food bill to pay for it all. Instinctive behaviour will make you do all manner of things when you're hungry that you wouldn't dream of otherwise. If you don't believe me, why is it that crime goes up during a recession such as the one now and goes down again during better times? Other causes include drugs etc. Those who are on drugs often steal to get their next fix, mostly shoplifting which is what makes the job of us security guards more dangerous. However, we don't get stab proof vests and pepper spray to fend off attacks. Rather than taxing us so they can give away methadone to drug users, I say cold turkey because it will make them think twice before going back on drugs. Nobody wants to face cold turkey treatment again. Giving away methadone simply generates more drug users because they can be spaced out of their heads, never work, get free housing and never have to pay for a fix again. Guess who has to pay for it all? Someone in the gov't really put some thought into that idea didn't they?
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:47:00 - [79] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public ***** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department. But we already have cameras anyway so why do we need police to do it as well? This points more and more in the direction of generating revenue rather than crime prevention.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.08 03:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public *** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department. But we already have cameras anyway so why do we need police to do it as well? This points more and more in the direction of generating revenue rather than crime prevention. As far as I'm concerned there aren't enough traffic police in this city, and not enough cameras. But I'm of the opinion you should have to take a driving retest every 3 years if you want to carry on driving. I do find it funny to see people slamming on their brakes because they see the white camera road markings, but there isn't a camera. ------ Originally by:** Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:00:00 - [81] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public ***** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department. But we already have cameras anyway so why do we need police to do it as well? This points more and more in the direction of generating revenue rather than crime prevention. They do more than just sit there for 12 hours as a speed trap. They will constantly be called to everything from domestic disterbinces to fatal accidents. And so what if they are making money to fund even more police work? The people who are getting fines are breaking the law.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:18:00 - [82] Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Super Whopper Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals. But I don't wanna move to Australia
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Super Whopper Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals. But I don't wanna move to Australia
Kalam Orlong	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Super Whopper Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals. But I don't wanna move to Australia But the Aussie lifestyle is the best in the world, Linkage

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