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TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:13:00 - [1] As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK ****e laws appearing on the forums recently
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto.	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:16:00 - [2] Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. --- Need a new signature?
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:19:00 - [3] Edited by: DubanFP on 05/01/2009 23:19:37 Yup, sounds like a recurring problem. Here's a copy/paste of what I said last time. Quote: Even a couple years ago I thought rather highly of the UK but I've heard quite a bit from the people themselves. The more I hear the worse it sounds. I keep hearing a couple of major issues over and over again. One of them is the police. I hear a lot about the police doing a poor job overall. Vandalism seems to be poorly taken care of and urgent calls seem to get ignored a lot. Stuff like a car set on fire would get half the town police here in the US within five minutes and an extremely harsh penalty. In most places Police are legally obliged to check up to make sure everything is ok after receiving a call even if they're told it was a misdial on the phone. Another one seems to be more cultural. It seems people are very quick to call geek/nerd as an insult. Over here intelligence and success are highly valued for those who do, even if not everyone aims that high. Calling someone a geek would seem out of place outside a grade school unless among friends, meant in jest. Chavs, we would call them posers, are laughed at and are considered more of a joke then taken seriously. Yes it's true that we have some of the same overly strong anti-terror laws, but you won't get bugged by them outside of an airport. Generally they've been let up since the immediate chaos of 9/11 and the worst parts of the patriot act have been removed. Things like terrorism are taken overly seriously so they tend not to be abused here. It would almost be taboo to use it except in the most blatant cases. Seizing of Icelandic Bank assets comes to mind. Honestly things aren't so bad here in the US, or at least Connecticut. There are always concerns but the culture as a whole is good and the police take their jobs seriously. Things could be a lot worse _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:21:00 - [4] Edited by: TimMc on 05/01/2009 23:26:20 Quote: What we call 'Progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance. Edit: @DubanFP: Thats the strange thing... the US seems to be slowly handing freedoms back after the initial terror law insanity... while the UK government didn't go nuts at first... they've just slowly and steadily been pushing them in.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:33:00 - [5] Found another good quote: Originally by: Harry S Truman Whenever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:34:00 - [6] Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 05/01/2009 23:26:20 Quote: What we call 'Progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance. Edit: @DubanFP: Thats the strange thing... the US seems to be slowly handing freedoms back after the initial terror law insanity... while the UK government didn't go nuts at first... they've just slowly and steadily been pushing them in. Can you get me a link to a news story on that, i would actually be interested in hearing that -------------------------------------------
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.06 00:14:00 - [7] Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:05:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK ****e laws appearing on the forums recently Were do you get you fact that most law abiding citzens hate the police,most of the law abiding citizens i know welcome proactive policing and wish more was done to prevent crime rather than wait for it to happen. As for your liberal bleeding heart nonsense about fair society preventing people having the desire to not commit crime ! what planet do you come from ?It dosn't matter what you give some people they always want what others have. Next to your part about "degrades the lives of the masses" you should stop reading Carl Marx and Chairman Mao and stop spouting such communistic rubbish. The only sensible thing it your post is about punishment,none of our criminals are punished at all really, comunity service, cautions, nice prison cells with colour tv's none of these are punishments. We in this country are far to worried about the civil liberties of law breakers, what about the victims of these people? If you break the laws of the society you are living in surely you are indicating that the morals and laws of that society mean nothing to you? so why are you entitled to the nicer parts such as civil liberties etc.I think cake and eat it comes to mind here.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Qui Shon on 06/01/2009 01:18:49 Originally by: Erik Killson As for your liberal bleeding heart nonsense about fair society preventing people having the desire to not commit crime ! what planet do you come from ?It dosn't matter what you give some people they always want what others have. Yes, it's just a matter of how many of them take the illegal route to take what others have. If your society is **ty for a lot of people, you'll have a **load of them, if it's nicer you'll have less. It's really very simple. It's not the only factor of course.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:29:00 - [10] Someone call a Waaaaaaambulance.... I grew up in South Africa where if you ever dared to speak ill of the police or government they would raid your house in the middle of the night and throw you in a dank 3rd world prison for 10 years before you ever even saw a courtroom... suck it up ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:33:00 - [11] Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:46:00 - [12] If all the police suddenly stopped, the people *****ing about them would be the first to wish they were back... without police the country would fall into anarchy. Personally I would have no problem with it... been in enough combat to welcome the idea. I always wanted to be a warlord ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:48:00 - [13] The reason police/government (has to) step in is because parents have stopped parenting and have pushed away the responbilities towards schools and 'society'. They're far more interested in both having jobs, expensive houses, cars and holidays and think they have a right of having a great life and that 'someone else' should carry the burden of their children. If parents would understand that having children isn't a right but brings the hard obligation to put in effort and to sacrifice a part of their lifestyle to accomodate for those children then things would be a lot better.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:01:00 - [14] The Police made songs throughout the 80s right? :D on topic...You have good cops, then you have bad cops...Only way to know which is which is by personal experience...or proof. Voluntold, New Webcomic
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:22:00 - [15] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped. I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:15:00 - [16] Originally by: vostok Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped. I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Exactly. I don't see how towing people, random searching and questioning and ticketing people for going 5mph over the speed limit is helping. But then they don't rush to your aid when a chav is nicking you telly, or investigate a burning car until the next day. Too much effort to fight real criminals it sounds like. @Erik Killson: You spelt Karl Marx wrong... anyway communism is bull****. As an half-American I support some of the Anarchistic ideals of some of the founding fathers which I why I am whining. However you cannot deny that crime is a result of bad society; long unemployment, or worse the appeal of unemployment because of benefits, or the injustice of the legal system where criminals believe they can escape. We need police to catch and convict, to show presence in the community rather than sitting in stations or cars, and courts which make criminals fear committing. The place where I live, we hardly see a police officer on the streets even though there is a police station in the middle of town. When we see them, its sad but we always assume something horrible has happened. We should be glad to see them on the beat.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:19:00 - [17] Originally by: vostok I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. It doesn't. Despite what supposedly law abiding individuals think. Police are no longer members of the communities they serve. SERVE. If they were doing their jobs and keeping an eye on the individuals who need to be watched then this sort of random stop bs would not be needed. But they don't participate in the community because they're scared and paranoid of the whole lot and can't be asked to get out of their cruisers. Fat jackasses. shin ku myo u
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/01/2009 03:28:10 Are police chiefs a political position in the UK? They are in the US which makes them directly answerable to their community. While this has its downsides it also means the locals go ape ** if a car is on fire and police do not respond till the next day. The locals put pressure on the police chief and the ass kickings continue down the line till something gets done. Make no mistake police in the US are far from perfect or ideal but overall they usually manage to keep the peace. If you behave like a grade-A ass to them they'll make your life miserable. If you are polite, even if they are being **s, generally (not always) you get to move on without much fuss. Note: I live in Chicago. Police are as corrupt here as you can find most anywhere in the US. But to the average citizen they are not too bad. If you are a crackhead expect to get shaken down on a regular basis. In the end it actually somehow works. That said give a Chicago cop a hard time and Og help you. They WILL make your life miserable. Even if they are jerks just be as polite to them as you would be to your grandmother. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Note: I live in Chicago. Police are as corrupt here as you can find most anywhere in the US. But to the average citizen they are not too bad. If you are a crackhead expect to get shaken down on a regular basis. In the end it actually somehow works. That said give a Chicago cop a hard time and Og help you. They WILL make your life miserable. Even if they are jerks just be as polite to them as you would be to your grandmother. Hey, another Land of Lincoln-er! Police in Illinois are not too bad. My hometown cop watched what he said and did so long as you were polite. You know why? Small town cops have to be political and participate in the community. He wasn't allowed the liberty of unquestioned power because the community would make HIS life miserable. Checks and balances, my friends. Checks and balances.
Spurty Caldari Technologic Dance	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:21:14 Originally by: vostok I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Most likely scenarios for those that wear the rascism tinfoil hats : - Sports car was towed for not being insured, - bwm towed as ownership of car was 'questionable' - bloke in ford fiesta was just father grabbing some fish and chips for his family who were sitting at home waiting for daddy to come home. So, hate them more for ****ing off a completely innocent guy who checked out insured and owner of the car. People that observe stuff like this without any idea what is happening are the kinds of people that end up being very lonely when their bluff is called and the slander doesn't stick .. unlike the fine you get for such slurs. Yes, I've been that white guy bringing home a pizza for the family and pulled over purely so that the politically correct dumb dumbs don't get an erection To make a mistake is Human. To make a REALLY BIG mistake, takes a computer
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:21:14 Originally by: vostok I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Most likely scenarios for those that wear the rascism tinfoil hats : - Sports car was towed for not being insured, - bwm towed as ownership of car was 'questionable' - bloke in ford fiesta was just father grabbing some fish and chips for his family who were sitting at home waiting for daddy to come home. So, hate them more for ****ing off a completely innocent guy who checked out insured and owner of the car. People that observe stuff like this without any idea what is happening are the kinds of people that end up being very lonely when their bluff is called and the slander doesn't stick .. unlike the fine you get for such slurs. Yes, I've been that white guy bringing home a pizza for the family and pulled over purely so that the politically correct dumb dumbs don't get an erection This was actually the first thought that crossed my mind when I read his post too. I don't think I've ever have looked at the person of the vehicle, I just sit there in my truck and go 'He's sneaking up on him...there he goes....BOOYAAAA owned by the disco lights!' I'm sure this thread will turn into a flamefest about the demographics of minorities in prison though.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:46:00 - [22] Originally by: TimMc As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK ****e laws appearing on the forums recently I believe that the only way the world can go, is a world government, run by a democratic totalitarian style of government, with Military police to enforce the laws. The problem with this is that man by nature is easily swayed to corruption, unless firmly grounded in morals, which usually is attached to religion, which again presents an unwanted situation. In short, Man is only half a step above that of an animal. They are born to be flawed, disgusting, sinful creatures, with some that redeem the entire species through their achievements and intelligence. TL;DR: a zero crime rate will never exist. Man will always commit crime. The only thing that can change is whether you know about it or not. There is much in fact, that occurs on earth that you aren't aware of, at any moment in time.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:56:00 - [23] Originally by: TimMc As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK **e laws appearing on the forums recently so if they know someone is going to murder another person, they should just let them kill the person before going in and busting them? or if they know someone is going to hold up a 7-11 with weapons, they should just wait, and potentially let the cashier get shot? i dont think its so much a problem of the cops stopping crime when it happens as it is the way the cops go around GETTING the information to stop those crimes, and like that recent thread, which states that UK cops can now search a person's computer w/out a warrant, i think that is a bit messed up, alot of people pointed out some good facts, like taking a picture of your child in the tub, some cop goes through your comp, see's a picture of your naked 5 year old while he's in the bath, and gets labeled a pedo or (although this isnt nearly as severe) if lets say you want to write a fiction story, cops may mistake that for a terrorists manifesto or some crap, and some people just dont want other people to know certain things EXAMPLE: Frank is a closet gay, but is still married, Cop A see's Frank at a bar, they get into a fight, hate each other, whatever, Cop A wants to get revenge, so he goes snooping around Frank's computer files and finds out that Frank has been looking at gay o on the computer, Cop A then goes around and spreads those rumors, and Frank is now labeled a * to the community, and possibly divorced from his wife (whom he still loves) that is just an example though, other things include planting evidence, which if you can search a persons hard drive remotely, shouldnt be that hard to easily plant evidence so, again i say, i dont think its the fact that cops bust crimes BEFORE it happens so much as it is the way they do it, by searching your computer w/out a warrant or tapping your phone line so you cant have a private conversation ever again Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:30:00 - [24] ~~TO SERVE AND PROTECT~~ TO HARASS AND DETAIN ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:05:00 - [25] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 or (although this isnt nearly as severe) if lets say you want to write a fiction story, cops may mistake that for a terrorists manifesto or some crap, and some people just dont want other people to know certain things True, I can see a lot of problems with information on a persons computer taken out of context. If you download the terrorists cookbook from the internet with a view to writing a thesis on how easy it is to obtain information contained in it, you could be leaving yourself wide open for a bust. Your part completed thesis may be in the same folder but that's irrelevant, you are now a terrorist. Quote: so, again i say, i dont think its the fact that cops bust crimes BEFORE it happens so much as it is the way they do it, by searching your computer w/out a warrant or tapping your phone line so you cant have a private conversation ever again It would have to be done with a warrant, I doubt any civil liberties group would agree to them being able to hack into your PC on a whim. It leaves it too wide open for abuse. On the other hand, I would say the onus is on them to prove: a. It wasn't planted by them to secure a conviction. b. They have sufficient evidence to prove that someone else hasn't managed to hack your PC and use it as a stealth FTP site, uploading said files to your PC. This may be the case, especially if you have the IIS installed for your own web site and leave it on as a server. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:40:00 - [26] Heh, come to Chicago, see what happens when you **** off the wrong cop. I have a very dim view over police in general. In my view the police are nothing more than a legalized gang. When I turn on the local news and hear about another scandal involving the police, see a cop blatantly parking at the end of a two way street in such a way that it creates a driving hazzard, police pulling someone over for going a few miles over the limit (presumablly) I cant help but feel the whole system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. The police have far too much power and in many cases challenging that power can lead to more headachs. But then again, what do you expect from humanity? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.06 09:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Tzar'rim The reason police/government (has to) step in is because parents have stopped parenting and have pushed away the responbilities towards schools and 'society'. They're far more interested in both having jobs, expensive houses, cars and holidays and think they have a right of having a great life and that 'someone else' should carry the burden of their children. If parents would understand that having children isn't a right but brings the hard obligation to put in effort and to sacrifice a part of their lifestyle to accomodate for those children then things would be a lot better. Childless nub openning its mouth and spewing out the same propaganda that is used by the police to obtain more and more power.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.06 10:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Jacob Mei Heh, come to Chicago, see what happens when you **** off the wrong cop. I have a very dim view over police in general. In my view the police are nothing more than a legalized gang. When I turn on the local news and hear about another scandal involving the police, see a cop blatantly parking at the end of a two way street in such a way that it creates a driving hazzard, police pulling someone over for going a few miles over the limit (presumablly) I cant help but feel the whole system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. The police have far too much power and in many cases challenging that power can lead to more headachs. But then again, what do you expect from humanity? The thing is, the police are only human. Any system needs to be designed with that in mind.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 12:27:00 - [29] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: vostok Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped. I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Exactly. I don't see how towing people, random searching and questioning and ticketing people for going 5mph over the speed limit is helping. But then they don't rush to your aid when a chav is nicking you telly, or investigate a burning car until the next day. Too much effort to fight real criminals it sounds like. I can think of a few reasons for them getting pulled over and that happening. 1. stolen car. 2. no insurence. 3. no driving licence. 4. drunk driver. 5. Banned driver. Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.06 12:35:00 - [30] Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/01/2009 12:37:29 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. All those terrible anti war protestors are in league with terrorists because they force the police to arrest them while peacefully demonstrating and, thus, giving them more paperwork to do. Look at these people committing acts of serious crime! Worst person in the UK! This 81 year old terrorist should be shot for his crimes against humanity! Democracy is only for those who shut up. Why did these 21 people get themselves arrested? Do you know how much tea the police could have been drinking instead of wasting their time with this lot?

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