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TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:13:00 - [1] As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK ****e laws appearing on the forums recently
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto.	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:16:00 - [2] Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. --- Need a new signature?
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:19:00 - [3] Edited by: DubanFP on 05/01/2009 23:19:37 Yup, sounds like a recurring problem. Here's a copy/paste of what I said last time. Quote: Even a couple years ago I thought rather highly of the UK but I've heard quite a bit from the people themselves. The more I hear the worse it sounds. I keep hearing a couple of major issues over and over again. One of them is the police. I hear a lot about the police doing a poor job overall. Vandalism seems to be poorly taken care of and urgent calls seem to get ignored a lot. Stuff like a car set on fire would get half the town police here in the US within five minutes and an extremely harsh penalty. In most places Police are legally obliged to check up to make sure everything is ok after receiving a call even if they're told it was a misdial on the phone. Another one seems to be more cultural. It seems people are very quick to call geek/nerd as an insult. Over here intelligence and success are highly valued for those who do, even if not everyone aims that high. Calling someone a geek would seem out of place outside a grade school unless among friends, meant in jest. Chavs, we would call them posers, are laughed at and are considered more of a joke then taken seriously. Yes it's true that we have some of the same overly strong anti-terror laws, but you won't get bugged by them outside of an airport. Generally they've been let up since the immediate chaos of 9/11 and the worst parts of the patriot act have been removed. Things like terrorism are taken overly seriously so they tend not to be abused here. It would almost be taboo to use it except in the most blatant cases. Seizing of Icelandic Bank assets comes to mind. Honestly things aren't so bad here in the US, or at least Connecticut. There are always concerns but the culture as a whole is good and the police take their jobs seriously. Things could be a lot worse _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:21:00 - [4] Edited by: TimMc on 05/01/2009 23:26:20 Quote: What we call 'Progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance. Edit: @DubanFP: Thats the strange thing... the US seems to be slowly handing freedoms back after the initial terror law insanity... while the UK government didn't go nuts at first... they've just slowly and steadily been pushing them in.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:33:00 - [5] Found another good quote: Originally by: Harry S Truman Whenever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:34:00 - [6] Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 05/01/2009 23:26:20 Quote: What we call 'Progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance. Edit: @DubanFP: Thats the strange thing... the US seems to be slowly handing freedoms back after the initial terror law insanity... while the UK government didn't go nuts at first... they've just slowly and steadily been pushing them in. Can you get me a link to a news story on that, i would actually be interested in hearing that -------------------------------------------
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.06 00:14:00 - [7] Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:05:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK ****e laws appearing on the forums recently Were do you get you fact that most law abiding citzens hate the police,most of the law abiding citizens i know welcome proactive policing and wish more was done to prevent crime rather than wait for it to happen. As for your liberal bleeding heart nonsense about fair society preventing people having the desire to not commit crime ! what planet do you come from ?It dosn't matter what you give some people they always want what others have. Next to your part about "degrades the lives of the masses" you should stop reading Carl Marx and Chairman Mao and stop spouting such communistic rubbish. The only sensible thing it your post is about punishment,none of our criminals are punished at all really, comunity service, cautions, nice prison cells with colour tv's none of these are punishments. We in this country are far to worried about the civil liberties of law breakers, what about the victims of these people? If you break the laws of the society you are living in surely you are indicating that the morals and laws of that society mean nothing to you? so why are you entitled to the nicer parts such as civil liberties etc.I think cake and eat it comes to mind here.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Qui Shon on 06/01/2009 01:18:49 Originally by: Erik Killson As for your liberal bleeding heart nonsense about fair society preventing people having the desire to not commit crime ! what planet do you come from ?It dosn't matter what you give some people they always want what others have. Yes, it's just a matter of how many of them take the illegal route to take what others have. If your society is **ty for a lot of people, you'll have a **load of them, if it's nicer you'll have less. It's really very simple. It's not the only factor of course.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:29:00 - [10] Someone call a Waaaaaaambulance.... I grew up in South Africa where if you ever dared to speak ill of the police or government they would raid your house in the middle of the night and throw you in a dank 3rd world prison for 10 years before you ever even saw a courtroom... suck it up ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:33:00 - [11] Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:46:00 - [12] If all the police suddenly stopped, the people *****ing about them would be the first to wish they were back... without police the country would fall into anarchy. Personally I would have no problem with it... been in enough combat to welcome the idea. I always wanted to be a warlord ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:48:00 - [13] The reason police/government (has to) step in is because parents have stopped parenting and have pushed away the responbilities towards schools and 'society'. They're far more interested in both having jobs, expensive houses, cars and holidays and think they have a right of having a great life and that 'someone else' should carry the burden of their children. If parents would understand that having children isn't a right but brings the hard obligation to put in effort and to sacrifice a part of their lifestyle to accomodate for those children then things would be a lot better.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:01:00 - [14] The Police made songs throughout the 80s right? :D on topic...You have good cops, then you have bad cops...Only way to know which is which is by personal experience...or proof. Voluntold, New Webcomic
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:22:00 - [15] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped. I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:15:00 - [16] Originally by: vostok Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped. I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Exactly. I don't see how towing people, random searching and questioning and ticketing people for going 5mph over the speed limit is helping. But then they don't rush to your aid when a chav is nicking you telly, or investigate a burning car until the next day. Too much effort to fight real criminals it sounds like. @Erik Killson: You spelt Karl Marx wrong... anyway communism is bull****. As an half-American I support some of the Anarchistic ideals of some of the founding fathers which I why I am whining. However you cannot deny that crime is a result of bad society; long unemployment, or worse the appeal of unemployment because of benefits, or the injustice of the legal system where criminals believe they can escape. We need police to catch and convict, to show presence in the community rather than sitting in stations or cars, and courts which make criminals fear committing. The place where I live, we hardly see a police officer on the streets even though there is a police station in the middle of town. When we see them, its sad but we always assume something horrible has happened. We should be glad to see them on the beat.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:19:00 - [17] Originally by: vostok I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. It doesn't. Despite what supposedly law abiding individuals think. Police are no longer members of the communities they serve. SERVE. If they were doing their jobs and keeping an eye on the individuals who need to be watched then this sort of random stop bs would not be needed. But they don't participate in the community because they're scared and paranoid of the whole lot and can't be asked to get out of their cruisers. Fat jackasses. shin ku myo u
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.01.06 03:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 06/01/2009 03:28:10 Are police chiefs a political position in the UK? They are in the US which makes them directly answerable to their community. While this has its downsides it also means the locals go ape ** if a car is on fire and police do not respond till the next day. The locals put pressure on the police chief and the ass kickings continue down the line till something gets done. Make no mistake police in the US are far from perfect or ideal but overall they usually manage to keep the peace. If you behave like a grade-A ass to them they'll make your life miserable. If you are polite, even if they are being **s, generally (not always) you get to move on without much fuss. Note: I live in Chicago. Police are as corrupt here as you can find most anywhere in the US. But to the average citizen they are not too bad. If you are a crackhead expect to get shaken down on a regular basis. In the end it actually somehow works. That said give a Chicago cop a hard time and Og help you. They WILL make your life miserable. Even if they are jerks just be as polite to them as you would be to your grandmother. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Note: I live in Chicago. Police are as corrupt here as you can find most anywhere in the US. But to the average citizen they are not too bad. If you are a crackhead expect to get shaken down on a regular basis. In the end it actually somehow works. That said give a Chicago cop a hard time and Og help you. They WILL make your life miserable. Even if they are jerks just be as polite to them as you would be to your grandmother. Hey, another Land of Lincoln-er! Police in Illinois are not too bad. My hometown cop watched what he said and did so long as you were polite. You know why? Small town cops have to be political and participate in the community. He wasn't allowed the liberty of unquestioned power because the community would make HIS life miserable. Checks and balances, my friends. Checks and balances.
Spurty Caldari Technologic Dance	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:21:14 Originally by: vostok I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Most likely scenarios for those that wear the rascism tinfoil hats : - Sports car was towed for not being insured, - bwm towed as ownership of car was 'questionable' - bloke in ford fiesta was just father grabbing some fish and chips for his family who were sitting at home waiting for daddy to come home. So, hate them more for ****ing off a completely innocent guy who checked out insured and owner of the car. People that observe stuff like this without any idea what is happening are the kinds of people that end up being very lonely when their bluff is called and the slander doesn't stick .. unlike the fine you get for such slurs. Yes, I've been that white guy bringing home a pizza for the family and pulled over purely so that the politically correct dumb dumbs don't get an erection To make a mistake is Human. To make a REALLY BIG mistake, takes a computer
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 06/01/2009 04:21:14 Originally by: vostok I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Most likely scenarios for those that wear the rascism tinfoil hats : - Sports car was towed for not being insured, - bwm towed as ownership of car was 'questionable' - bloke in ford fiesta was just father grabbing some fish and chips for his family who were sitting at home waiting for daddy to come home. So, hate them more for ****ing off a completely innocent guy who checked out insured and owner of the car. People that observe stuff like this without any idea what is happening are the kinds of people that end up being very lonely when their bluff is called and the slander doesn't stick .. unlike the fine you get for such slurs. Yes, I've been that white guy bringing home a pizza for the family and pulled over purely so that the politically correct dumb dumbs don't get an erection This was actually the first thought that crossed my mind when I read his post too. I don't think I've ever have looked at the person of the vehicle, I just sit there in my truck and go 'He's sneaking up on him...there he goes....BOOYAAAA owned by the disco lights!' I'm sure this thread will turn into a flamefest about the demographics of minorities in prison though.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:46:00 - [22] Originally by: TimMc As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK ****e laws appearing on the forums recently I believe that the only way the world can go, is a world government, run by a democratic totalitarian style of government, with Military police to enforce the laws. The problem with this is that man by nature is easily swayed to corruption, unless firmly grounded in morals, which usually is attached to religion, which again presents an unwanted situation. In short, Man is only half a step above that of an animal. They are born to be flawed, disgusting, sinful creatures, with some that redeem the entire species through their achievements and intelligence. TL;DR: a zero crime rate will never exist. Man will always commit crime. The only thing that can change is whether you know about it or not. There is much in fact, that occurs on earth that you aren't aware of, at any moment in time.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:56:00 - [23] Originally by: TimMc As seen on that Taking Liberties video, I agree that Police have the job to be present in the community and to stop crime WHEN IT HAPPENS. Til then they can sit on their hands. Pre-emptive criminal catching and all this snooping has made most law abiding citizens hate police. It may save lives, but it destroys alot of other peoples and degrades the lives of the masses. Ideally, people should not have the desire to commit crime in the first place through good government, fair society and the assurance they will be caught without doubt and punished strictly. Punished... something that courts these days are becoming to liberal to do. /discuss or flame me... I am sick of all these UK **e laws appearing on the forums recently so if they know someone is going to murder another person, they should just let them kill the person before going in and busting them? or if they know someone is going to hold up a 7-11 with weapons, they should just wait, and potentially let the cashier get shot? i dont think its so much a problem of the cops stopping crime when it happens as it is the way the cops go around GETTING the information to stop those crimes, and like that recent thread, which states that UK cops can now search a person's computer w/out a warrant, i think that is a bit messed up, alot of people pointed out some good facts, like taking a picture of your child in the tub, some cop goes through your comp, see's a picture of your naked 5 year old while he's in the bath, and gets labeled a pedo or (although this isnt nearly as severe) if lets say you want to write a fiction story, cops may mistake that for a terrorists manifesto or some crap, and some people just dont want other people to know certain things EXAMPLE: Frank is a closet gay, but is still married, Cop A see's Frank at a bar, they get into a fight, hate each other, whatever, Cop A wants to get revenge, so he goes snooping around Frank's computer files and finds out that Frank has been looking at gay o on the computer, Cop A then goes around and spreads those rumors, and Frank is now labeled a * to the community, and possibly divorced from his wife (whom he still loves) that is just an example though, other things include planting evidence, which if you can search a persons hard drive remotely, shouldnt be that hard to easily plant evidence so, again i say, i dont think its the fact that cops bust crimes BEFORE it happens so much as it is the way they do it, by searching your computer w/out a warrant or tapping your phone line so you cant have a private conversation ever again Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:30:00 - [24] ~~TO SERVE AND PROTECT~~ TO HARASS AND DETAIN ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:05:00 - [25] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 or (although this isnt nearly as severe) if lets say you want to write a fiction story, cops may mistake that for a terrorists manifesto or some crap, and some people just dont want other people to know certain things True, I can see a lot of problems with information on a persons computer taken out of context. If you download the terrorists cookbook from the internet with a view to writing a thesis on how easy it is to obtain information contained in it, you could be leaving yourself wide open for a bust. Your part completed thesis may be in the same folder but that's irrelevant, you are now a terrorist. Quote: so, again i say, i dont think its the fact that cops bust crimes BEFORE it happens so much as it is the way they do it, by searching your computer w/out a warrant or tapping your phone line so you cant have a private conversation ever again It would have to be done with a warrant, I doubt any civil liberties group would agree to them being able to hack into your PC on a whim. It leaves it too wide open for abuse. On the other hand, I would say the onus is on them to prove: a. It wasn't planted by them to secure a conviction. b. They have sufficient evidence to prove that someone else hasn't managed to hack your PC and use it as a stealth FTP site, uploading said files to your PC. This may be the case, especially if you have the IIS installed for your own web site and leave it on as a server. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:40:00 - [26] Heh, come to Chicago, see what happens when you **** off the wrong cop. I have a very dim view over police in general. In my view the police are nothing more than a legalized gang. When I turn on the local news and hear about another scandal involving the police, see a cop blatantly parking at the end of a two way street in such a way that it creates a driving hazzard, police pulling someone over for going a few miles over the limit (presumablly) I cant help but feel the whole system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. The police have far too much power and in many cases challenging that power can lead to more headachs. But then again, what do you expect from humanity? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.06 09:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Tzar'rim The reason police/government (has to) step in is because parents have stopped parenting and have pushed away the responbilities towards schools and 'society'. They're far more interested in both having jobs, expensive houses, cars and holidays and think they have a right of having a great life and that 'someone else' should carry the burden of their children. If parents would understand that having children isn't a right but brings the hard obligation to put in effort and to sacrifice a part of their lifestyle to accomodate for those children then things would be a lot better. Childless nub openning its mouth and spewing out the same propaganda that is used by the police to obtain more and more power.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.06 10:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Jacob Mei Heh, come to Chicago, see what happens when you **** off the wrong cop. I have a very dim view over police in general. In my view the police are nothing more than a legalized gang. When I turn on the local news and hear about another scandal involving the police, see a cop blatantly parking at the end of a two way street in such a way that it creates a driving hazzard, police pulling someone over for going a few miles over the limit (presumablly) I cant help but feel the whole system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. The police have far too much power and in many cases challenging that power can lead to more headachs. But then again, what do you expect from humanity? The thing is, the police are only human. Any system needs to be designed with that in mind.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 12:27:00 - [29] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: vostok Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: vostok Well if you're the police in Birmingham its to arrest people lingering at bus stops and be racist... Also known as spot checks. A tactic brought in because alot of said people carry knifes. If you dress like a gangster/chav and act like one dont be suprised if you get stopped. I'm not convinced, while I was watching the police set up in a car park, they pulled in 3 cars... Black guy in a sports car - towed Asian guy in a bmw - towed White guy in a ford fiesta - let go in 5 mins I just don't see how pulling people over in the middle of the day helps make the streets safer. Exactly. I don't see how towing people, random searching and questioning and ticketing people for going 5mph over the speed limit is helping. But then they don't rush to your aid when a chav is nicking you telly, or investigate a burning car until the next day. Too much effort to fight real criminals it sounds like. I can think of a few reasons for them getting pulled over and that happening. 1. stolen car. 2. no insurence. 3. no driving licence. 4. drunk driver. 5. Banned driver. Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.06 12:35:00 - [30] Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/01/2009 12:37:29 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. All those terrible anti war protestors are in league with terrorists because they force the police to arrest them while peacefully demonstrating and, thus, giving them more paperwork to do. Look at these people committing acts of serious crime! Worst person in the UK! This 81 year old terrorist should be shot for his crimes against humanity! Democracy is only for those who shut up. Why did these 21 people get themselves arrested? Do you know how much tea the police could have been drinking instead of wasting their time with this lot?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.06 12:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. That's all that had to be said, really :) Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:03:00 - [32] Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. Wow! 30 whole minutes of paperwork. Maybe instead of doing it for petty offenders, that 30 minutes would be better spent doing the paperwork to get the real criminals off the streets. Oh, I forgot, petty offenders pay fines so it's financially beneficial. Real criminals have to be sent down which costs money... Silly me! I made the common mistake of thinking the police were there to stop crime and not just to make more revenue for the government. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Are police chiefs a political position in the UK? you mean directly elected? no. Chief Constables aren't elected. In England & Wales, they're responsible to their police authority, which is made up of local councillors, magistrates and independent members. In Scotland, they're supervised by the police board, made up of councillors from the area. Or joint police boards in the case of the larger police forces. So democratic input into who is the chief constable doesn't really exist. Yes. Yes, I am.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:18:00 - [34] it can only be a matter of time before the gov get these guys reformednull really nice chaps destroy everything you touch
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. Wow! 30 whole minutes of paperwork. Maybe instead of doing it for petty offenders, that 30 minutes would be better spent doing the paperwork to get the real criminals off the streets. Oh, I forgot, petty offenders pay fines so it's financially beneficial. Real criminals have to be sent down which costs money... Silly me! I made the common mistake of thinking the police were there to stop crime and not just to make more revenue for the government. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before I dont call a banned driver found in a car petty. There is a reason he is banned and the sooner the idiot is off the streets the better. The same goes for people who break the speed limit, drive without a licence or have a dangerously broken car. They all endager lives.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. Wow! 30 whole minutes of paperwork. Maybe instead of doing it for petty offenders, that 30 minutes would be better spent doing the paperwork to get the real criminals off the streets. Oh, I forgot, petty offenders pay fines so it's financially beneficial. Real criminals have to be sent down which costs money... Silly me! I made the common mistake of thinking the police were there to stop crime and not just to make more revenue for the government. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before hmm, methinks if people are getting fines for breaking into cars in the UK means that you need a bit harsher penalites here in the US, if you break into a car, you dont get a fine you go to jail for grand theft, 6 months probation minium (if its a first offense, i know because this happened w/ my brother, but he got 10 months probation, weekly ** tests for drugs, and house arrest for a month after he was caught smoking, dumbass) Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:29:00 - [37] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. Wow! 30 whole minutes of paperwork. Maybe instead of doing it for petty offenders, that 30 minutes would be better spent doing the paperwork to get the real criminals off the streets. Oh, I forgot, petty offenders pay fines so it's financially beneficial. Real criminals have to be sent down which costs money... Silly me! I made the common mistake of thinking the police were there to stop crime and not just to make more revenue for the government. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before I dont call a banned driver found in a car petty. There is a reason he is banned and the sooner the idiot is off the streets the better. The same goes for people who break the speed limit, drive without a licence or have a dangerously broken car. They all endager lives. for the bolded: most cops here where i live dont care if your going 50-ish in a 45, 5 miles an hour over is hardly endangering someone's life (except in school zones, they are serious about those) Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:32:00 - [38] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before hmm, methinks if people are getting fines for breaking into cars in the UK means that you need a bit harsher penalites here in the US, if you break into a car, you dont get a fine you go to jail for grand theft, 6 months probation minium (if its a first offense, i know because this happened w/ my brother, but he got 10 months probation, weekly **** tests for drugs, and house arrest for a month after he was caught smoking, dumbass) Actually if I'm reading that right, I think the poster is paying huge fines for having a vehicle broken in to which is just backwards to me. Or that may be just loss of money from having to take time of or some crap. But yeah, GTA around here gets you serious time. They've even been setting up trap cars to catch these guys. Perp breaks into car, fires it up and start driving off. Cop pushes button, car shuts down, windows roll up and doors lock.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:38:00 - [39] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 06/01/2009 17:38:24 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Quote: so, again i say, i dont think its the fact that cops bust crimes BEFORE it happens so much as it is the way they do it, by searching your computer w/out a warrant or tapping your phone line so you cant have a private conversation ever again It would have to be done with a warrant, I doubt any civil liberties group would agree to them being able to hack into your PC on a whim. It leaves it too wide open for abuse. read this thread's linky, unfortunately, it does say (from the article) Originally by: "Under the Brussels edict, police across the EU have been given the green light to expand the implementation of a rarely used power involving warrantless intrusive surveillance of private property. The strategy will allow French, German and other EU forces to ask British officers to hack into someone's UK computer and pass over any material gleaned" sad, but true Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before hmm, methinks if people are getting fines for breaking into cars in the UK means that you need a bit harsher penalites here in the US, if you break into a car, you dont get a fine you go to jail for grand theft, 6 months probation minium (if its a first offense, i know because this happened w/ my brother, but he got 10 months probation, weekly ** tests for drugs, and house arrest for a month after he was caught smoking, dumbass) Actually if I'm reading that right, I think the poster is paying huge fines for having a vehicle broken in to which is just backwards to me. Or that may be just loss of money from having to take time of or some crap. But yeah, GTA around here gets you serious time. They've even been setting up trap cars to catch these guys. Perp breaks into car, fires it up and start driving off. Cop pushes button, car shuts down, windows roll up and doors lock. oh sorry, misread post edited out Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.06 18:24:00 - [41] Edited by: Xen Gin on 06/01/2009 18:24:24 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. Wow! 30 whole minutes of paperwork. Maybe instead of doing it for petty offenders, that 30 minutes would be better spent doing the paperwork to get the real criminals off the streets. Oh, I forgot, petty offenders pay fines so it's financially beneficial. Real criminals have to be sent down which costs money... Silly me! I made the common mistake of thinking the police were there to stop crime and not just to make more revenue for the government. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before Well there are different divisions, some will be be Motorway, pursuit and general roads partol, the others are beat patrol. The thing is, those drivers who are banned, drunk, uninsured, and dangerous vehicles I think cause more deaths than burglaries, robberies and other crimes. And the fact is the victims are never the culprits with cars. There have been a few incidents around where I live that has a disqualified drunken idiot who ploughs into a family car killing two parents and three children, but survives with only a serve case of cold cell floor hangover. In the UK, they will tow away untaxed cars, then crush them after seven days. Also on a somewhat tangent note, can Americans stop using the word "Burglarize", your weren't burglarised unless someone made you into a burglar, you were in fact burgled. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.01.06 18:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Xen Gin Well there are different divisions, some will be be Motorway, pursuit and general roads partol, the others are beat patrol. Pursuit police? Anyone else thinking Mad Max in his supercharged V8? Bet crime is low there! -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Which roman was that? Cato the elder? Ok, I'll go google it. Delenda est achura.
Kephael Caldari United Systems Navy	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:32:00 - [44] Edited by: Kephael on 06/01/2009 20:32:15 Quit smoking pot and grow up, then you won't have anything to worry about when officer friendly and Bosco the canine pay you a visit after you were speeding.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:37:00 - [45] After all these years I still want that car. I heard that it can only be imported from Australia though and I couldn't fathom the shipping costs.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Xen Gin Well there are different divisions, some will be be Motorway, pursuit and general roads partol, the others are beat patrol. Pursuit police? Anyone else thinking Mad Max in his supercharged V8? Bet crime is low there! I have a picture of a Police Lamborghini pursuit car on my mobile. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:39:00 - [47] Roll of police?
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Kephael Quit smoking pot and grow up, then you won't have anything to worry about when officer friendly and Bosco the canine pay you a visit after you were speeding. Lets get out our handy dandy calculator and take a look at how much will need to be paid to the Home Office to cover these new laws and enforce them and how much our taxes have to go up shall we?... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Davina Braben Originally by: Jacob Mei Heh, come to Chicago, see what happens when you **** off the wrong cop. I have a very dim view over police in general. In my view the police are nothing more than a legalized gang. When I turn on the local news and hear about another scandal involving the police, see a cop blatantly parking at the end of a two way street in such a way that it creates a driving hazzard, police pulling someone over for going a few miles over the limit (presumablly) I cant help but feel the whole system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. The police have far too much power and in many cases challenging that power can lead to more headachs. But then again, what do you expect from humanity? The thing is, the police are only human. Any system needs to be designed with that in mind. Which because no such system has ever existed or will exist I propose we take out the human factor and be policed by robots in flying sausers and shoot freakin lazer beams from their eyes: In all seriousness though your right, the fact is that police are human and subject to human flaws, weakness and so forth. The problem is currently there are no checks and balances in place to catch police corruption and abuse of power in time before it throws public option over the cliff. Throwing money at it isnt the answer either, what is needed is some way to police the police if you will. Maybe have THEM under constant survellance instead of us. After all in most countries its insisted that they be the maintaners of law and order. If even the maintainers cant live by their own laws, what does that say about the society as a whole? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:47:00 - [50] No checks and balances? have you heard of internal affairs?
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 06/01/2009 13:05:19 Originally by: baltec1 Police do not take away cars and arrest people for no reason. Every single time they do they must spend 30 min on paperwork, which is the true problem the police has. /me understands why so many people hate the police, they are little more than overpaid traffic wardens now. Car broken into. ú200 Called at 3am, 4 hours after it happened and missing a days work sorting out paperwork. ú100 Missing a days work to see the offenders who did it (caught on camera) let off with a caution. ú100 Travel to police station 10 miles away to make a statement. ú5 Seeing a cop on the way talking on a mobile while driving and reporting him. Priceless. What made it even more priceless was that it was the same cop who pulled me up and gave me a hard time a week before hmm, methinks if people are getting fines for breaking into cars in the UK means that you need a bit harsher penalites here in the US, if you break into a car, you dont get a fine you go to jail for grand theft, 6 months probation minium (if its a first offense, i know because this happened w/ my brother, but he got 10 months probation, weekly **** tests for drugs, and house arrest for a month after he was caught smoking, dumbass) Actually if I'm reading that right, I think the poster is paying huge fines for having a vehicle broken in to which is just backwards to me. Or that may be just loss of money from having to take time of or some crap. But yeah, GTA around here gets you serious time. They've even been setting up trap cars to catch these guys. Perp breaks into car, fires it up and start driving off. Cop pushes button, car shuts down, windows roll up and doors lock. Thats good.... I absolutely hate criminals. Theft for life is one thing, but theft for greed is unforgivable. If your so weak of a human being to steal from your fellow man, then your fellow man should reserve the right to steal your life.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 20:54:00 - [52] Originally by: kor anon No checks and balances? have you heard of internal affairs? Do a google search for Chicago Police and then tell me where internal affairs was when that cop beat the bartender senceless. Or how about when an entire towns policeforce was found so corrupt that multiple gang related murders when uninvestigated. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Jacob Mei Throwing money at it isnt the answer either, what is needed is some way to police the police if you will. Maybe have THEM under constant survellance instead of us. After all in most countries its insisted that they be the maintaners of law and order. If even the maintainers cant live by their own laws, what does that say about the society as a whole?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Jacob Mei Do a google search for Chicago Police and then tell me where internal affairs was when that cop beat the bartender senceless. Quote: CHICAGO, IL -- A bar beating caught on tape lands a Chicago police officer *behind bars. Quote:* Abbate appeared in court Wednesday to answer what were previously misdemeanor battery charges and are now felony charges, which involve the state's attorney's office. "Those acts merit a felony charge," assistant state's attorney David Navarro said. Quote: While the charges are against Abbate and not the city, an attorney who specializes in police misconduct and civil rights says the likelihood of the city having responsibility is very low. "People would want to blame city(sound familiar?) -- a natural inclination because he's a Chicago officer. But, he's off duty, in a bar, not clothed as an officer, probably not seeking to arrest her. I'm assuming now, because I haven't heard the tape, because he's intoxicated," said civil rights attorney Blake Horowitz said..
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:11:00 - [55] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Jacob Mei Throwing money at it isnt the answer either, what is needed is some way to police the police if you will. Maybe have THEM under constant survellance instead of us. After all in most countries its insisted that they be the maintaners of law and order. If even the maintainers cant live by their own laws, what does that say about the society as a whole? Problem with link 1: Its a human or small group of humans. Unless they are at the level of "untouchables" they can be just as corrupt. Problem with link 2: It only shows the front view of a police car. Its far to easy to take a subject just outside of the view of the camera and give "police justice". -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Jacob Mei Do a google search for Chicago Police and then tell me where internal affairs was when that cop beat the bartender senceless. Quote: CHICAGO, IL -- A bar beating caught on tape lands a Chicago police officer *behind bars. Quote:* Abbate appeared in court Wednesday to answer what were previously misdemeanor battery charges and are now felony charges, which involve the state's attorney's office. "Those acts merit a felony charge," assistant state's attorney David Navarro said. Quote: While the charges are against Abbate and not the city, an attorney who specializes in police misconduct and civil rights says the likelihood of the city having responsibility is very low. "People would want to blame city(sound familiar?) -- a natural inclination because he's a Chicago officer. But, he's off duty, in a bar, not clothed as an officer, probably not seeking to arrest her. I'm assuming now, because I haven't heard the tape, because he's intoxicated," said civil rights attorney Blake Horowitz said.. Which is exactly why I said the police need to be under constant survellance. What if that cop hadnt been video taped? The word of a bartender against a cop? Please, that wouldnt even get you into a lawyers office. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Jacob Mei Problem with link 1: Its a human or small group of humans. Unless they are at the level of "untouchables" they can be just as corrupt. Please, let me hear your answer to solving this issue, I would love to hear it. Also, ombudsman's can be private sector as well. I know ADA counties ombudsman is private business. And I didn't post a link for the entire counties of corrupt officers, but this group handles that. Originally by: Jacob Mei Problem with link 2: It only shows the front view of a police car. Its far to easy to take a subject just outside of the view of the camera and give "police justice". Guess you didn't hear about the case of the woman who was in detention, under surveillance, and the officer turned off the camera and when it came back on she was beaten to a pulp. It was investigated, and the officer was discharged and sentenced, thanks to internal affairs (those corrupt ombudsman's you mentioned.) Now stop with your little whiny all officers are corrupt bull****, a few bad seeds does not make the whole tree rotten.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Jacob Mei Which is exactly why I said the police need to be under constant survellance. What if that cop hadnt been video taped? The word of a bartender against a cop? Please, that wouldnt even get you into a lawyers office. Ever heard of crime scene investigation? Do you even have a clue how cases are handled?
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Jacob Mei Problem with link 1: Its a human or small group of humans. Unless they are at the level of "untouchables" they can be just as corrupt. Please, let me hear your answer to solving this issue, I would love to hear it. Also, ombudsman's can be private sector as well. I know ADA counties ombudsman is private business. And I didn't post a link for the entire counties of corrupt officers, but this group handles that. Originally by: Jacob Mei Problem with link 2: It only shows the front view of a police car. Its far to easy to take a subject just outside of the view of the camera and give "police justice". Guess you didn't hear about the case of the woman who was in detention, under surveillance, and the officer turned off the camera and when it came back on she was beaten to a pulp. It was investigated, and the officer was discharged and sentenced, thanks to internal affairs (those corrupt ombudsman's you mentioned.) Now stop with your little whiny all officers are corrupt bull****, a few bad seeds does not make the whole tree rotten. I dont have the skills nor insight into how the police do things, if I did I wouldnt be complaining on a forum for internet space ships now would I? What I do know is what I have seen happen in my city and I cant help but wonder where the hell the ombudsman were as a police officer went from patroling the streets to overlooking a gang murder or being stupid enough to beat a bartender on camera. You sight a situation that is flawed. 1. It was a woman in detention that was under survellance, not the cop. 2. The cop was stupid enough to assume that he wouldnt be connected to turning off the camera (tell me, what does THAT tell you about police?) 3. The enviroment was under near or complete survellance where as your previous example has what, only a 90 degree view in one direction? Suspect and officer need only step a few feet to be out of the cameras field of view. Tell you what, live where I do and deal with the police in my town and then you can tell me to stop whining. You are certainly right that a few bad seeds dont make the whole tree rotten, but it makes the whole citizen trusting the police non existant. Public trust is just as important as ability for a police force to function. If that public trust is broken even by a few bad seeds the whole thing goes out the window. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Novantco The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:50:00 - [60] I don't think you punks have enough respect for the LAW!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 22:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Jacob Mei 1. It was a woman in detention that was under survellance, not the cop. Incorrect. Video and audio evidence is a two way door. If an officer fails to read a man his rights on camera then the case can be thrown out. Our lawyers have as much right to that evidence as they do. Originally by: Jacob Mei 2. The cop was stupid enough to assume that he wouldnt be connected to turning off the camera (tell me, what does THAT tell you about police?) Correct. He was stupid enough to think that he wouldn't be investigated after she filed charges against him and his department. That being said, internal affairs was able to actually use the video's timestamp with before and after footage as evidence to convict the officer. In a lot of these cases I do have to wonder what goes through law enforcements minds as they should know better than anybody that it's not a matter of IF, but WHEN. Originally by: Jacob Mei 3. The enviroment was under near or complete survellance where as your previous example has what, only a 90 degree view in one direction? Suspect and officer need only step a few feet to be out of the cameras field of view. I guess you haven't learned how criminal investigation works yet. A man turned off the camera and still got caught. Officers cannot turn off dash cams. Audio is not restricted to 90 degrees. And a single bruise tells a wealth of knowledge. Originally by: Jacob Mei Tell you what, live where I do and deal with the police in my town and then you can tell me to stop whining. Yeah yeah I know, the grass is always greener and my area is corrupt officer free blah blah blah. Originally by: Jacob Mei Public trust is just as important as ability for a police force to function. If that public trust is broken even by a few bad seeds the whole thing goes out the window. This is why ombudsmen started becoming a big deal several years back. I know that around here anytime an officer is involved in a shooting he receives leave with pay while detectives and the ombudsman fully investigates the incident. Reports are later opened to the public through county records.
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. That's all that had to be said, really :) I think " Without security there can be no society " is a far more important quote ! The police are now more and more using ANPR cameras and that is why more people are pulled for checks, quite often the cars that are stopped for no insurance,tax or mot are driven by people who use the same vehicle in crimes or for the purpose of transporting illegal goods. Not as stated by people here just to harass the poor innocent public.
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Tzar'rim The reason police/government (has to) step in is because parents have stopped parenting and have pushed away the responbilities towards schools and 'society'. They're far more interested in both having jobs, expensive houses, cars and holidays and think they have a right of having a great life and that 'someone else' should carry the burden of their children. If parents would understand that having children isn't a right but brings the hard obligation to put in effort and to sacrifice a part of their lifestyle to accomodate for those children then things would be a lot better. Childless nub openning its mouth and spewing out the same propaganda that is used by the police to obtain more and more power. I am not a childless nub as you put and i agree somewhat with this comment although its just not the parents that both have jobs and just wish to improve their own lifestyle that are the problem, i think it is endemic across the whole of our society from the unemployed to the very rich, we as a whole have very poor parenting skills. Nearly every subject you can think of are taught in schools but to they teach one of the most important ones namely that of being a parent? No they don't, but then again even if they did there still would be those that didn't give a damm about what their children were up to. Sadly its all part of being human.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.07 06:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Erik Killson Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Quote: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. That's all that had to be said, really :) I think " Without security there can be no society " is a far more important quote ! There's a point where too much security becomes opression. Big brother was a shadow luking in the background before. It is becoming more like a predominant figure now. Quote: The police are now more and more using ANPR cameras and that is why more people are pulled for checks, quite often the cars that are stopped for no insurance,tax or mot are driven by people who use the same vehicle in crimes or for the purpose of transporting illegal goods. Not as stated by people here just to harass the poor innocent public. That just goes to show how dumb the police really are. No real criminal is going to risk being caught so easily, they know how easy it is to spot an untaxed car, you may catch petty thieves at the very most. It is all to do with getting more revenue from fines and no other reason. I get the impression that a negative IQ is pre-req to joining the police force. I am still waiting 6 months later for a response to a 999 call I made. The fact that the lives of myself and my workmate were at risk when I made the call is irrelevant I suppose. Someone with a pick axe handle was threatening to come in and beat us with it for not letting him in the gate, there was only a sheet of glass between him and us. My guess is they were too busy stopping motorists to bother with a minor incident like that. Different departments is *******s, I have never seen coppers on the beat in town centre unless they were in a patrol car checking out parked vehicles because they slow down every time they pass one. Police should start responding to calls from people who have had their homes broken into, cars broken into and even shoplifters. I've stood with a shoplifter waiting for an hour for a copper to come from around the corner since the police station was only 100 yards away. 3 patrol cars cruised past and I still had to wait for a copper to come from the other end of town on foot. It's the lack of response for this that is lowering the respect for police in the UK. If they have different departments, maybe they should look at re-assigning more to where they are needed instead of 90% to checking cars. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:41:00 - [65] Edited by: baltec1 on 07/01/2009 14:45:02 Originally by: Dantes Revenge That just goes to show how dumb the police really are. No real criminal is going to risk being caught so easily, they know how easy it is to spot an untaxed car, you may catch petty thieves at the very most. It is all to do with getting more revenue from fines and no other reason. I get the impression that a negative IQ is pre-req to joining the police force. How about appliying to your local police force then? But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? If yes then could you handle this day after day? As for the petty theif comment. Not too long ago police raided a house of a man belived to have stolen a wallet. They found a ********* farm worth several million pounds. As for the slow responces your seeing. Dispite what the government is saying things are not getting better and the police are streached. They have daft amounts of paperwork which must be filled in every time they make an action. Half of the time a cop is in the office filling out forms to at least make sure the person the just cought doesnt get off due to some box that wasnt ticked or some other technicality.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:02:00 - [66] Originally by: baltec1 But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? /me blinks Dear God what the **** is their problem? One runs out in traffic, mkay thats silly. Second one AFTER the Police are there runs in the middle of Traffic again? ...
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:51:00 - [67] Originally by: Erik Killson I am not a childless nub as you put and i agree somewhat with this comment although its just not the parents that both have jobs and just wish to improve their own lifestyle that are the problem, i think it is endemic across the whole of our society from the unemployed to the very rich, we as a whole have very poor parenting skills. Nearly every subject you can think of are taught in schools but to they teach one of the most important ones namely that of being a parent? No they don't, but then again even if they did there still would be those that didn't give a damm about what their children were up to. Sadly its all part of being human. So what happens when you chastise your children for stealing, fighting, mugging, robbing or all the other bad things they get up to? Do they call the Social Services and have them lock you up just because they can? Oh yes they do. Has the government use this as a tool of direct oppression? Definitely. After all which imbecil of a psychologist is going to advise you talk to a four year old as to why it shouldn't run across the road and should listen to its parents instead of giving it a smack on the arse and solving the problem once and for all? I will tell you, the insane ones (SS). My wife is a psychologist and she wishes she could shoot every single SS'er because they server no purpose. They, like the police, only go after soft targets because the real targets and those who need help aren't easy to get to. And then there're no reprecussions when they make mistakes, like directly cause the death of a child in their care. Victoria Climbie is a perfect example of their ultimate power. This SS'er refused to turn up to court to testify and all she got was a 500 pound fine. The excuse she gave as to why she didn't see the girl was that she was afraid to 'catch something'. They teach children to call the police if they get beaten, to report anything that their parents do that they might not like. What kind of society gives children the ultimate power? A Na-zi one.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:03:00 - [68] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: baltec1 But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? /me blinks Dear God what the **** is their problem? One runs out in traffic, mkay thats silly. Second one AFTER the Police are there runs in the middle of Traffic again? ... Not too bad looking though. I'd hit it...... um, wait......
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:29:00 - [69] Police forces are for keeping order in society. They don't really stop crime. They just manage the level of it to keep order and allow society to function. For example. Shoplifting. When individuals do it, only a fortunate appearance by a policeman will stop it. However, the existence of a police force stops people from shoplifting en-masse, i.e. looters. This allows shops and factories to actually function, and the people who are employed in them to make a living. So pre-emptive policing, such as stop-searching is only justifiable if it reduces the level of crime sufficiently that society can function. When people are afraid to go out in the evenings, because of fear of knife-gangs, then society is paralysed, and things like restaurants, cinemas and other leisure businesses are unviable. Pre-emptive policing stop-searching for knives increases people's confidence to go out in the evening.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Shirley Serious Police forces are for keeping order in society. They don't really stop crime. They just manage the level of it to keep order and allow society to function. For example. Shoplifting. When individuals do it, only a fortunate appearance by a policeman will stop it. However, the existence of a police force stops people from shoplifting en-masse, i.e. looters. This allows shops and factories to actually function, and the people who are employed in them to make a living. So pre-emptive policing, such as stop-searching is only justifiable if it reduces the level of crime sufficiently that society can function. When people are afraid to go out in the evenings, because of fear of knife-gangs, then society is paralysed, and things like restaurants, cinemas and other leisure businesses are unviable. Pre-emptive policing stop-searching for knives increases people's confidence to go out in the evening. So what does society do? Instead of solving the causes of the problems they gladly hand the police ever increasing amounts of power because it's easier to grasp at straws than work on a real solution.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Super Whopper So what does society do? Instead of solving the causes of the problems they gladly hand the police ever increasing amounts of power because it's easier to grasp at straws than work on a real solution. Causes of problems? The causes of the problems are that people are greedy, selfish and lazy. What solution is there to that? Yes. Yes, I am.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:45:00 - [72] Lock everyone up then.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Super Whopper Lock everyone up then. Prisons are full. But dispite this the government insist crime is down
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:20:00 - [74] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Super Whopper Lock everyone up then. Prisons are full. But dispite this the government insist crime is down Crime is Down. The media just doesn't sell papers unless bad things happen, so they must grab every small event by the balls and ********** it till it starts to make people lose interest. Who reports a government success? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 21:00:00 - [75] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Super Whopper Lock everyone up then. Prisons are full. But dispite this the government insist crime is down Crime is Down. The media just doesn't sell papers unless bad things happen, so they must grab every small event by the balls and ********** it till it starts to make people lose interest. Who reports a government success? The govenment has been spinning survays to make it look like crime is down. Knife crime for instance is three times higher than what the government reported.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:26:00 - [76] Originally by: baltec1 But before you do, ask yourself, can you handle incidents like this in a calm manner? Quite easily. I learned long ago to detatch myself from personal feelings in situations like this. While doing security I chased a shoplifter who was heading quickly for the door with a load of stuff she had pocketed who did the same thing across a busy road. Not only did I have to deal with that until the emergency services arrived but I also had to deal with her kid that she had run off and left behind, now screaming and terrified. I have arrested friends for shoplifting in the shop I was working at, they thought I wouldn't because they were friends. Quote: If yes then could you handle this day after day? Easily. Those girls are strangers so it would be easy to detach my feelings and get on with my job. In the Army, I have watched my friends die beside me, tried to give them comfort in the last few minutes of their life when I know they are finished. These are guys I have worked with, lived with, eaten with, they are as close to being family without being related as you can get. You think it's tough dealing with situations in that video, give me a break. Even try pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger just because they are wearing an enemy insignia. Taking a life is probably the hardest thing anyone can ever do and that's how I learned to detatch myself. Quote: As for the petty theif comment. Not too long ago police raided a house of a man belived to have stolen a wallet. They found a ******* farm worth several million pounds. So on the basis of a pure chance find, you feel that everyone's civil liberties should be curtailed? Quote:** As for the slow responces your seeing. Dispite what the government is saying things are not getting better and the police are streached. They have daft amounts of paperwork which must be filled in every time they make an action. Half of the time a cop is in the office filling out forms to at least make sure the person the just cought doesnt get off due to some box that wasnt ticked or some other technicality. It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. I can drive down the road from my house to town (about 2 miles) and I know full well, my vehicle has been checked for tax, insurance and MOT at least three times on the way. Once by a static camera and twice by patrol cars and I've got to know exactly where they sit watching the road. If that's not over manning for a particular department, I don't know what is. Especially when you consider that close to where I live but on a totally different route is the worst estate in the area for crime, drugs and all manner of assorted undesirables. I have looked out of my window, since I can sit reading on my windowsill and often do and I have never once seen a patrol car on that estate. That really shows me how the police deal with crime prevention, once any resident is on that estate with their loot, they know they are safe to carry it openly and I have seen quite a few do it. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:42:00 - [77] Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public ***** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Super Whopper So what does society do? Instead of solving the causes of the problems they gladly hand the police ever increasing amounts of power because it's easier to grasp at straws than work on a real solution. Causes of problems? The causes of the problems are that people are greedy, selfish and lazy. What solution is there to that? Not always. Much of the cause is poverty, low wages and it's actually the government who are greedy. High taxation on top of low wages brings poverty and when we hit economical issues like the one currently, even higher prices means many don't have the means to pay for it all. Since the gov't has given power to courts to seize your bank account if you don't pay bills etc, everyone knows that they can't default. The only thing you can cut back on is your food bill to pay for it all. Instinctive behaviour will make you do all manner of things when you're hungry that you wouldn't dream of otherwise. If you don't believe me, why is it that crime goes up during a recession such as the one now and goes down again during better times? Other causes include drugs etc. Those who are on drugs often steal to get their next fix, mostly shoplifting which is what makes the job of us security guards more dangerous. However, we don't get stab proof vests and pepper spray to fend off attacks. Rather than taxing us so they can give away methadone to drug users, I say cold turkey because it will make them think twice before going back on drugs. Nobody wants to face cold turkey treatment again. Giving away methadone simply generates more drug users because they can be spaced out of their heads, never work, get free housing and never have to pay for a fix again. Guess who has to pay for it all? Someone in the gov't really put some thought into that idea didn't they?
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:47:00 - [79] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public ***** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department. But we already have cameras anyway so why do we need police to do it as well? This points more and more in the direction of generating revenue rather than crime prevention.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.08 03:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public *** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department. But we already have cameras anyway so why do we need police to do it as well? This points more and more in the direction of generating revenue rather than crime prevention. As far as I'm concerned there aren't enough traffic police in this city, and not enough cameras. But I'm of the opinion you should have to take a driving retest every 3 years if you want to carry on driving. I do find it funny to see people slamming on their brakes because they see the white camera road markings, but there isn't a camera. ------ Originally by:** Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:00:00 - [81] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Dantes Revenge It's funny how they don't seem to be very stretched when it comes to catching drivers. Like I said, maybe a redeployment of resources would actually make a difference. There are far too many traffic cops and not enough patrolling the streets, responding to calls and actually doing something about the crime. While that should be the case, when it happens, the public ***** about it. I would call installing speed cameras and moving traffic police to beat patrols a redeployment of resources. But then people complain that the camera catches them, It's a bit of a catch22 in that department. But we already have cameras anyway so why do we need police to do it as well? This points more and more in the direction of generating revenue rather than crime prevention. They do more than just sit there for 12 hours as a speed trap. They will constantly be called to everything from domestic disterbinces to fatal accidents. And so what if they are making money to fund even more police work? The people who are getting fines are breaking the law.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:18:00 - [82] Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Super Whopper Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals. But I don't wanna move to Australia
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.08 15:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Super Whopper Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals. But I don't wanna move to Australia
Kalam Orlong	Posted - 2009.01.08 16:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Super Whopper Again I stand by my point that everyone should be imprisoned from the moment they are born because they are criminals. But I don't wanna move to Australia But the Aussie lifestyle is the best in the world, Linkage

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