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McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:58:00 - [31] In regard to GTCs.... Disclaimer I dont buy ISK. BPOs, L4s, Exploration plenty of ways to make isk in game ** I would say the main reason people will buy isk from farmers over GTCs is that a 60day GTC runs something like 40 bucks, which will net you according the Time Code Forum around 600million isk. Where as the Isk Sellers will give you about 2 Billion for the same $40. That is the issue. Some People that want to pay RL Cash for isk aren't going to pay more for less the safe way (GTCs) but gt the most out of their buck, with they risky investment (farmers). Fairly straight forward if you ask me, and completely obvious when you look at the numbers from the larger ISK Seller sites and compare them to GTC Sellers. (My Numbers are in US $ because that's where I live.) --McFly--
Neamus	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:08:00 - [32] Ahem, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say... YOU BUY GOOD ISK ME SELL NOW CRAZY YES!!! BUYS ISK NOW SELL GOOD ISK MORE!!! Thank you.
Par'Gellen Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:22:00 - [33] You're right. 60-Day GTC from Shattered Crystal = $35 Broken into two 30-Day PLEX in-game items = 640 Million Isk (320 million isk each based on open buy orders in Jita) However, I was only pointing out that it is currently possible to purchase isk legally through CCP's current systems. ---
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:44:00 - [34] Does seem like a very similar siuation to the RL Cannabis problem (if you want to call it a problem ;)) If only governments legalised it, they could tax and control the product a lot more easily. If CCP offered isk for sale, they could generate a lot more revenue for its operations as well as being able to undercut the ISK sellers and force them out of the game. Only problem would be how CCP generate their ISK, as they cant just inject new ISK into the game on that level as it could cause a few market/economic problems.
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:45:00 - [35] I just wanted to say, I dig leah luv Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:07:00 - [36] There is a Very easy Solution to the whole Issue. CCP Start Selling Isk Themselves, Through the Website, that Way they have a Paper Trail of Who Bought it Legal and Who didn't and Hurt the ones who Didn't. Then We won't have any More Isk Sellers. And CCP Can Set the Price on it. - Logistics Frigates
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Bast's Cleric There is a Very easy Solution to the whole Issue. CCP Start Selling Isk Themselves, Through the Website, that Way they have a Paper Trail of Who Bought it Legal and Who didn't and Hurt the ones who Didn't. Then We won't have any More Isk Sellers. And CCP Can Set the Price on it. Thats the crappiest idea ever tbh. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:19:00 - [38] Probably been said already, but they already do sell isk. The Ghost-training vote thread
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:30:00 - [39] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 06/01/2009 15:32:40 It's not like they don't already sell ISK through GTC's. What would you like them to do? Control the GTC market and force it to be competitive with ISK seller prices somehow? You know what makes me more sad is half the google searches I do even remotely related to Eve usually brings up tons of hits of websites that are selling isk for real money, rare expensive items for real money, selling character for real money, offering to train your character for real money, offering a cheat/macro downloading program or hack/exploit instructions for real money. Fortunately I bet WoW get's hit harder usually, if not only for it's size. However I'd like to think the Eve playerbase is more clued up on telling farmers where to shove their offers.
Andrea Erlang Caldari Erlang Biolabs	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:40:00 - [40] Originally by: 5pinDizzy However I'd like to think the Eve playerbase is more clued up on telling farmers where to shove their offers. If that was the case, I doubt we'd be seeing so much spam. Think about it, no market, no sellers.
B1FF	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Qordel I just don't get why it's so **ing difficult for them to implement some sort of heuristics to filter most ISK spam from channels. Because you don't know how to do it you think it's easy. "Wow I'm low on ships I should buy some with isk." How do you not bounce something like that but still bounce the spam? What if you're convoing aa friend, "Hey do you need some isk to buy a ship?" How do you not block that but still block the spam. Filters can't detect intent thus they can't work. Quote:** Banning users after the fact is hardly effective. So you want to ban them before they do anything? Seriously?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:50:00 - [42] Kinda skimmed the first page and I didn't see anyone say it on the second, so if it hasn't been pointed out yet you have to realize that unless CCP just gave ISK away for free there would still be at least some market for illicit ISK purchases. As long as the farmer shops can turn a little profit they'll stay in business.
B1FF	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Sokratesz What Qordel said, its not difficult..I bet I could write a script in python that recognises 75% of ISK sell spam in a few hours - so CCP should be able to do so far better. Including massive amounts of false positives. "Hey dude this is my new character can you send me some isk so I can get ships and implants?" Oh and the two friends are Russian so it's in cyrilic. Fully legit. Hits many bullet points. ******* armchair coders.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:55:00 - [44] Guys, guys. I just wanted to say that I could stop 95% of all ISK Sellers in 25 minutes flat. Forever. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:58:00 - [45] Edited by: Abrazzar on 06/01/2009 15:59:03 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Guys, guys. I just wanted to say that I could stop 95% of all ISK Sellers in 25 minutes flat. Forever. You gonna close shop? -------- Ideas for: Mining
Cyrus Brown	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:02:00 - [46] I'd like to see CCP sell thier ISK at prices that compete with the ISK farmers/sellers. If CCP would sell thier ISK at a rate of $40 for 2 billion, no one would use the ISK farmers anymore.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Abrazzar Edited by: Abrazzar on 06/01/2009 15:59:03 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Guys, guys. I just wanted to say that I could stop 95% of all ISK Sellers in 25 minutes flat. Forever. You gonna close shop? Damn, I've been outed. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
State Security	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:05:00 - [48] Some excellent posts people, it hardly cought fire and I didn't need to call 911. However, I think I got it. Thought about it most of the night and how CCP could get rid of the spamers in chat at least, as that was what ticked me off to start with. So here it is... The "Final Solution"... Trial Accounts no longer have the ability to post links to web sites. They can click on them but can't make anything with http, www, or closed "dots" (thats like this: asianISK****DOTcom). Solved....I think. Shoot some pew pew holes in it.
B1FF	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:26:00 - [49] Originally by: State Security Some excellent posts people, it hardly cought fire and I didn't need to call 911. However, I think I got it. Thought about it most of the night and how CCP could get rid of the spamers in chat at least, as that was what ticked me off to start with. So here it is... The "Final Solution"... Trial Accounts no longer have the ability to post links to web sites. They can click on them but can't make anything with http, www, or closed "dots" (thats like this: asianISK****DOTcom). Solved....I think. Shoot some pew pew holes in it. www buyisk com
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:26:00 - [50] Edited by: Cpt Lollercakes on 06/01/2009 16:32:39 Originally by: State Security Some excellent posts people, it hardly cought fire and I didn't need to call 911. However, I think I got it. Thought about it most of the night and how CCP could get rid of the spamers in chat at least, as that was what ticked me off to start with. So here it is... The "Final Solution"... Trial Accounts no longer have the ability to post links to web sites. They can click on them but can't make anything with http, www, or closed "dots" (thats like this: asianISK****DOTcom). Solved....I think. Shoot some pew pew holes in it. Best suggestion have seen for this issue, by a mile. Another recent plague is the bot spammers in Jita, the bot names keep changing (they are getting muted rather than banned) but the contract issuers remain the same. The GM's need to delete the contracts being spammed by bots, regardless of the issuer. Last point - the OP's observation of the recent prevalence of isk seller bots is, I think, actually reflective of the shrinking number of idiots buying isk and the desperation at a shrinking market. Key to this was the introduction of the PLEX. This offers immediacy that the existing ETC system lacked - you need isk desperately but its 0430 eve on a Tuesday, shifting it via the forum takes time, with PLEX's its log in, create, dump on buy order. Or to paraphrase "EVE GOLD DELIVER FAST ME!"
B1FF	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:31:00 - [51] Quote: Solved....I think. Shoot some pew pew holes in it. Quote: www buyisk com www,buyisk,com WWWoBUYISKoCOM
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:35:00 - [52] Don't like being spammed? Move out of noobcorps. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:37:00 - [53] Originally by: B1FF Quote: Solved....I think. Shoot some pew pew holes in it. Quote: www buyisk com www,buyisk,com WWWoBUYISKoCOM This still prevents them from pasting in the pretty gold links ("don't click the link!" - "I can't help it, its sooooo pretty") and means it'll largely get ignored.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:39:00 - [54] People still pay attention to the rookie channel? ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:41:00 - [55] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/01/2009 16:46:44 Gays hey gays lsiten i buy Drik on ebay whut do "minmatar cruiser rank 5 level 5" mean do it mean i can have leik 5 stabber in fleet liek fleeet of *****? edit: I should probably add something productive here too. I block any ISK spammer who comes in contact with me in local or over Eve-mail. I get MAYBE one RMT-related message every few months now, which makes me wonder if you block them enough their overseer just adds you to the RMT equivalent of the do-not-call list (if that's possible) for fear that you're more likely to petition them than someone who does nothing. I mean everyone else seems to be getting spammed, but I'm not, so there must be some reason for it and this one is just one possibility that comes to mind. It's not like I hang out in dead end systems all day either. Or maybe my definition of spam isn't as flexible as everyone else's and I don't actually get fewer RMT messages. I dunno.
Par'Gellen Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:49:00 - [56] Here is what I would do if I were in charge of CCP: 1. Already happens - GM gets a report of some terd spamming an isk selling website in a public channel. 2. Already happens - GM checks the log for that channel for the offender. 3. Needs to happen - GM does not ban/boot/or otherwise do anything at all to the spammer. Let him think he's a l337 H4xX0r and that he has pulled one over on CCP. 3. Needs to happen - GM copies the web site URL (or whatever text if they are trying to mask it) and pastes it into the Big-Old-Chat-Filter-Of-Doom. 4. Needs to happen - From then on any chat containing that URL or mask text would appear on the spammer's screen (and possibly any computer from the same IP if they are all behind a router, hehe!) as valid text but not on anyone else's. This way the terd (and his LAN buddies) thinks he's still spamming and getting away with it and the rest of us are happily not seeing any of it. Think about it. Why would a normal player have any reason to use a url or clever mask for it to an isk selling site in any chat? What if they do? Oh well who cares? No harm done if it gets chopped. To any Dev/GM/CCP Employee reading this: You have my 100% loyalty free permission to use this method against the isk spammers. You don't even have to say it was my idea! ---
Vigilant Gallente Vigilant's Vigilante's	Posted - 2009.01.06 16:51:00 - [57] Kill the source, that would be the macro miners they would have A LOT less isk to sell.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:00:00 - [58] Originally by: McFly In regard to GTCs.... Disclaimer I dont buy ISK. BPOs, L4s, Exploration plenty of ways to make isk in game ** I would say the main reason people will buy isk from farmers over GTCs is that a 60day GTC runs something like 40 bucks, which will net you according the Time Code Forum around 600million isk. Where as the Isk Sellers will give you about 2 Billion for the same $40. That is the issue. Some People that want to pay RL Cash for isk aren't going to pay more for less the safe way (GTCs) but gt the most out of their buck, with they risky investment (farmers). Fairly straight forward if you ask me, and completely obvious when you look at the numbers from the larger ISK Seller sites and compare them to GTC Sellers. (My Numbers are in US $ because that's where I live.) --McFly-- This. I've never paid RL money for computer cash, but I can easily identify the issues here. Also CCP just made things more "difficult" in that is set GTCs to 60 days which is generally $35 USD. While someone might have an issue spending $35 for the GTC to sell for ISK, they might not have an issue with dropping $5 or $10 here and there for a little extra ISK to get a new ship or whatever. That is I believe a major issue. CCP needs to set up their system so smaller increments are possible. Make a $5 (10 days) & $10 (20 days) time option that can be sold for less ISK. Not everyone wants/needs 600+ million ISK or wants to spend $35 for a little extra ISK. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Omnoms Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:03:00 - [59] with isk selling and micropayment / item selling it would be easy for CCP to force a lot of the isk / item sellers out of business. for the item sellers the product they are selling actually costs them money and effort to obtain. CCP can indeed just spawn an item at will. That means CCP can seriously undercut all the competition. Once you've spawned a load of best in game items and unbalanced combat for a short period, then you can make up T3 or even better items just like blizzard do which in turn devalues everything you just put into the market. This limits any long term damage form having too many estamels modified blah blah blah in game. Make a new better officer and devalue everything else slowly. This would force the majority of the isk sellers out of business reasonably quickly, and make CCP some money.. I can't see too many downsides to my idea.
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.06 17:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Omnoms with isk selling and micropayment / item selling it would be easy for CCP to force a lot of the isk / item sellers out of business. for the item sellers the product they are selling actually costs them money and effort to obtain. CCP can indeed just spawn an item at will. That means CCP can seriously undercut all the competition. Once you've spawned a load of best in game items and unbalanced combat for a short period, then you can make up T3 or even better items just like blizzard do which in turn devalues everything you just put into the market. This limits any long term damage form having too many estamels modified blah blah blah in game. Make a new better officer and devalue everything else slowly. This would force the majority of the isk sellers out of business reasonably quickly, and make CCP some money.. I can't see too many downsides to my idea. It would make the game completely ****ing dull, homogeneous, and pointless? This strategy might not be intolerably horrible in a carebearish grindy game where you throw away characters and start over when things change, but this would completely tool Eve. What incentive would newbies have to specialize under circumstances like that? And what of the people who think RMT is for twits? They're rewarded with having to re-grind ISK to re-buy every module every few months because last patch's microtransaction noob toy was too popular and had to be replaced.

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