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Indiano Arko Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:19:00 - [121] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 If CCP sell isk, the isk sellers will only sell it cheaper Like ISK comes from an air and they dont have to pay their workers...
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:28:00 - [122] Probably because CCP is the only selling the isk.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:48:00 - [123] ISK spam isn't so bad anymore. TBH.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:57:00 - [124] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn ISK spam isn't so bad anymore. TBH. Yeah. Try observing a channel outside of a small private corp. This has all already been addressed by like a dozen people up above. The spam is undeniably destructive to the point of rendering entire channels unusable. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:59:00 - [125] Originally by: CyberGh0st Just ban the buyers ... I guess they call it blindingly obvious, because people like yourself are not capable of seeing it... The problem with this is unscrupulous meta-gamers. If I know CCP will ban the buyers, and I particularly dislike some other player, whats to stop me from buying buying a bunch of ISK from an illegal seller ON BEHALF OF MY ENEMY? CCP bans them. Sweet. ... D'oh! Back to the drawing board! ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacoughcoughaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!!
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:18:00 - [126] Edited by: Qordel on 08/01/2009 02:23:24 CCP! WOULD YOU MOTHER **ERS PLEASE DO SOMETHING FOR 'S SAKE?! Gallente Federal Navy corp chat now has multiple user names spamming competing URLs (that are the same URLs that have been spammed for WEEKS and you apparently have no way to blacklist). They are COMPETING against each other spamming in chat for competing site's one after the other after the other after the other. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. Do you even REALIZE what a dilapidated piece of this makes EVE look like to people who haven' been around as long as some of us have? They've rendered the channel useless and some of us can't really add anything more to our blocklists. Have you given up and just decided you don't give a and it's okay for people to come in and treat your place like **?! This has been going on NON-STOP for almost an HOUR. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can just sit through the spam for a few hours and hope you do something if enough of us petition, but what about the other 9,998 accounts they'll immediately start using? Why are they even ALLOWED to post the SAME message content hundreds and thousands of times in a row? This is so god damned absurd. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
mechtech Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.08 03:42:00 - [127] CCP needs to get working on char filtering and isk sellers. I must admit they do an OK job at stopping isk sellers and banning accounts, but they need to really work on blocking the advertisements, especially as there will be an influx of new players in soon due to the retail boxes. As a new player to any MMO, I see isk seller advertisements as warning that the economy is total crap, which is a bad thing for a game like eve online.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.01.08 04:04:00 - [128] I agree that something needs to be done. I don't see the rookie channel often but when I do it's just a nonstop stream of spam. There is absolutely zero chance of anybody reading a question and replying, or the person who asked reading that reply. I am dumbfounded that CCP hasn't done anything to stop this. I am just as dumbfounded at the people in this thread who say it shouldn't be done. Why would you disagree with something that has an obvious positive effect and no downside at all? I'll never understand people. As for ISK selling in general, well there's only one way to properly eradicate it, and that is to make ISK so cheap that they can't feed their families from the profits. This can be done, there is a point where the sellers will have to move to another game because it's just not worth doing it here. CCP can do this directly by changing the price of GTCs. Every time they reduce the price of GTC, it makes the isk-sellers job more difficult. What's that? They've never cut the price of GTCs? Actually they keep raising the price? Oh dear. So the only action CCP has taken in this area has actually made the isk-seller's more profitable? gg CCP... The problem with cutting the cost of GTC's to force out the isk sellers is that they would destroy the Eve economy doing so. They would have to cut the GTC to 1/10th of it's current cost to make the isk-sellers move on. And by that point inflation would be horrific in the game. So really, they are never going to eliminate the selling of isk through unofficial channels. What they can do, though, is at least stop those sellers from advertising within the game itself. I can only shrug my shoulders at the total lack of any action in this area. One amusing (not) anecdote: I was once in a rookie channel where ISK spam was being posted every 30 seconds or so. It was still usable, but it was very annoying. I was chatting away there when suddenly a few guys started having a conversation in Russian. I **** you not, it took 30 seconds for a mod to appear and tell them to speak English or join the Russian channel. So they are watching, and they do nothing about the isk spam. Make of that what you will.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2009.01.08 04:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Jayne Tamm If CCP offered isk for sale, they could generate a lot more revenue for its operations as well as being able to undercut the ISK sellers and force them out of the game. You aren't buying ISK, you are paying the gametime of a personal slave who earns the ISK for you. So, how would CCP be able to sell ISK? Would they hire a bunch of chinese farmers to generate that isk for them? Else CCP would be cheating.
State Security	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:19:00 - [130] Hi, original poster here. I think some of these ideas are fantastic, and really hope CCP reads these Forums. Shutting down the spam was my complaint but didn't CCP say they were going after the people who sold it too? Just my own idea but what if Trial Acounts could not have bank acounts with more then say 1,000,000 ISK in them at any time and couldn't transfer player to player at all? I'm not sure Trails are used to transfer ISK but it's a guess. I thought about "why not track the ISK back to the original account" but what goods that? I've given people 100,000,000 and even 500,000,000 loans and wouldn't want to log in with [Your account has been suspended till you can explain why you gave xorg 450 million ISK, sign your friends at CCP] Man I don't know....
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:05:00 - [131] Originally by: State Security I'm not sure Trails are used to transfer ISK but it's a guess. If you did this, and trial accounts actually were used to transfer ISK, what would happen? Think very carefully - if you were trying to transfer 100B ISK to someone using only trial accounts, and the trial account was limited to giving or receiving 100M ISK between downtimes, what would you do? That's right, you'd just create 1000 trial accounts through which to funnel the funds. So you've replaced 1 problem with 2. The money is still changing hands, but now the database gets filled up with trial accounts 1000 time faster than normal!
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:30:00 - [132] Protip, if you don't like it, leave highsec .
Indiano Arko Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:39:00 - [133] Originally by: Tiirae What's that? They've never cut the price of GTCs? Actually they keep raising the price? Oh dear. So the only action CCP has taken in this area has actually made the isk-seller's more profitable? gg CCP... QFT CCP hear this...
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:42:00 - [134] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Vistrix Ferocia I barely notice them anymore. Its improved massively. Spend any time in an NPC corp and you'll notice it. Its your tax for staying in an NPC corp and avoiding PvP. Enjoy.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:58:00 - [135] We don't sell ISK, nor do we allow selling and buying ISK for real world money, nor is it something we plan on doing. We do however allow selling and purchasing EVE game time, mainly through the use of the new PLEX system which let's you create an (two) in-game item using an EVE Time Code which can then be traded for ISK in game. This doesn't actually create any in game money, it just moves it around. I'm not an economist but if we were to create ISK and sell it we'd most likely end up ruining the economy in EVE, and that would be bad. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email Do you know what a soldier is, young man? He's the chap who makes it possible for civilized folk to despise war.

Indiano Arko Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:17:00 - [136] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We don't sell ISK, nor do we allow selling and buying ISK for real world money, nor is it something we plan on doing. We do however allow selling and purchasing EVE game time, Player A (money) buys ETC from CCP / converts ETC into in-game item / sells this item to player B (ISK) It doesn't produce ISK, no, but still CCP gets the money so in the end of the day this scheme is selling (indirectly) ISK for money. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame CCP. Actually, I really like this idea but in my opinion it worked much better when ETCs weren't as overpriced as they are now...
Sajk'Kamonde Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:33:00 - [137] Originally by: Indiano Arko Originally by: CCP Wrangler We don't sell ISK, nor do we allow selling and buying ISK for real world money, nor is it something we plan on doing. We do however allow selling and purchasing EVE game time, Player A (money) buys ETC from CCP / converts ETC into in-game item / sells this item to player B (ISK) It doesn't produce ISK, no, but still CCP gets the money so in the end of the day this scheme is selling (indirectly) ISK for money. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame CCP. Actually, I really like this idea but in my opinion it worked much better when ETCs weren't as overpriced as they are now... It's in CCPs interest that GTCs get more expensive. There are plenty of threads explaining why.
Indiano Arko Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:35:00 - [138] Originally by: Sajk'Kamonde It's in CCPs interest that GTCs get more expensive. There are plenty of threads explaining why. Link please
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:43:00 - [139] Originally by: Sajk'Kamonde It's in CCPs interest that GTCs get more expensive. There are plenty of threads explaining why. It's in CCP's interest that GTCs are cheap. It's simple economics. The cheaper a GTC is the higher the demand will be. The more money CCP will make.
Sajk'Kamonde Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:44:00 - [140] Originally by: Indiano Arko Originally by: Sajk'Kamonde It's in CCPs interest that GTCs get more expensive. There are plenty of threads explaining why. Link please Linkage Found that fairly quickly
Sajk'Kamonde Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:46:00 - [141] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Sajk'Kamonde It's in CCPs interest that GTCs get more expensive. There are plenty of threads explaining why. It's in CCP's interest that GTCs are cheap. It's simple economics. The cheaper a GTC is the higher the demand will be. The more money CCP will make. Quote: You got to remember the primary reason why ISK-GTC timecard sales was introduced. It was done to combat ebay/ign isk sales, while allowing CCP to benefit from said GTC purchases. The higher the price of these timecards in isk, the better for CCP. Why? Because ISK will be worth less and less $$. Consider this: On ebay when GTC sales were introduced, 100mill isk was getting around $30. At the same time because of the value of characters were valued at approx 100mill isk per mill sp, it was deemed by the masses that a 30day GTC was worth approx 100mill isk. This could be bought for $15. Now as a result of this move, CCP has halved the real life value of isk in one move. Today characters are valued at approx 200mill / 1mill sp. Is it a wonder that timecards have gone up to match that? No. Today 100mill isk sells for $15 on ebay, but for your $15 trough timecards you can now get 200mill isk. Again the value of isk in real life has halved. What does this really mean? Well an illegal macrominer operation would have to do 4 times the ammount of work to get the same RL benefit that they had to do 1 year ago. As demand rises, GTC sales will get more and more expensive isk wise, and RL isk value will go down and down. Simple economics.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:48:00 - [142] Originally by: Sajk'Kamonde Simple economics. But that's assuming that supply will stay stable. It won't stay stable.
Sajk'Kamonde Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:58:00 - [143] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Sajk'Kamonde Simple economics. But that's assuming that supply will stay stable. It won't stay stable. Supply of isk? Supply of GTC? but the simple fact that since ccp introduced gtc-isk, it has made the ebay isk sellers job harder and harder.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:02:00 - [144] Originally by: Indiano Arko Originally by: CCP Wrangler We don't sell ISK, nor do we allow selling and buying ISK for real world money, nor is it something we plan on doing. We do however allow selling and purchasing EVE game time, Player A (money) buys ETC from CCP / converts ETC into in-game item / sells this item to player B (ISK) It doesn't produce ISK, no, but still CCP gets the money so in the end of the day this scheme is selling (indirectly) ISK for money. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame CCP. Actually, I really like this idea but in my opinion it worked much better when ETCs weren't as overpriced as they are now... But, for the hundredth time, it is players who set the GTC price. And before anyone says anything, a 30-day used to cost $15, and a 60-day now costs $35. This is a price increase, but nothing like the +150% hike seen in the ISK price. ISK is easier to make than it has ever been, and more people have time on their hands... whereas dollars (pounds, euros) are suddenly rather scarcer than they were. The result is predictable, inevitable and there is nothing that CCP can really do about it. Apologies for banging on the same drum, but if you really want to make bought ISK less of a bargain than GTC ISK, then ask for the player tools to combat ISK farming.
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:04:00 - [145] Edited by: Haakelen on 08/01/2009 11:04:39 It'd be amusing that, if CCP introduced direct ISK sales, they balanced it by matched removal of ISK faucets. So and so trillion introduced, a suitable number of high-end L4s, complexes, and faction/officer spawns disappear that month/time period .

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:15:00 - [146] I could be wrong, but as I recall it the main reason we allowed ETC's to be sold for ISK originally was to help people who couldn't afford EVE play it anyway, mainly people from countries where 14.95 USD per month is a lot of money and students etc. Since then I guess the whole thing has grown a lot though. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email Do you know what a soldier is, young man? He's the chap who makes it possible for civilized folk to despise war.

Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:19:00 - [147] Originally by: State Security Hi, original poster here. I think some of these ideas are fantastic, and really hope CCP reads these Forums. Shutting down the spam was my complaint but didn't CCP say they were going after the people who sold it too? Just my own idea but what if Trial Acounts could not have bank acounts with more then say 1,000,000 ISK in them at any time and couldn't transfer player to player at all? I'm not sure Trails are used to transfer ISK but it's a guess. I thought about "why not track the ISK back to the original account" but what goods that? I've given people 100,000,000 and even 500,000,000 loans and wouldn't want to log in with [Your account has been suspended till you can explain why you gave xorg 450 million ISK, sign your friends at CCP] Man I don't know.... Umm, have you created a trial accout recently? Like int he last year? Trial accounts cannot send money to anyone... I was trialling multiple accounts and clients and couldnt transfer the money fro the trial act to my existing act. (Also couldnt log both accts on at the same time, but thats another issue!) Regards, Jason Brisbane
Tnam Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:23:00 - [148] Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 08/01/2009 11:04:39 It'd be amusing that, if CCP introduced direct ISK sales, they balanced it by matched removal of ISK faucets. So and so trillion introduced, a suitable number of high-end L4s, complexes, and faction/officer spawns disappear that month/time period . CCP could in theory sell back the siezed assets from isk farmers to players for $$$ without actually adding anything new into the game. However I don't see the spam as a major problem. I would like to see more isk farmer ban's though, it is clear that there is an audit trail available going right back to the source, thru trades of isk or spurious contracts. You can see which organizations are selling isk through google, it should be completely possible for CCP to just buy isk from each of them then work out what the sources are, I don't know how much of this happens at the moment. My experience is that in deep 0.0 there are huge numbers of ratters called things like "cefjhya" who are invariably in ravens and often in noob corps with contract histories that are incredibly long despite only having played for 3-4 months... such as frequent contracts of the same crap loot item for 100M+ isk which just seems to be some kind of isk-laundering attempt to me. These psuedo macro characters kind of screw up a lot of 0.0 space and actually provide ISK income to the alliances who are in effect harboring them (by allowing them to anchor giant cans on POS shields and suchlike).
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:26:00 - [149] Originally by: CCP Wrangler I could be wrong, but as I recall it the main reason we allowed ETC's to be sold for ISK originally was to help people who couldn't afford EVE play it anyway, mainly people from countries where 14.95 USD per month is a lot of money and students etc. Since then I guess the whole thing has grown a lot though. I have no qualm with time codes for isk. It benefits both players. The problem really only comes when isk sellers enter the picture and change the dynamics of everything in a way that was not intended. I think that the ability of some kid or some person in a country where $15 USD is not feasible still being able to play by doing a trade with someone who wants some isk and does have the $15 (or in this case, the $35, I guess?) is fantastic. It makes it more inclusive than exclusive. Of course, then you still end up with people who are like "$15 USD is 50% of my annual salary and is impossible to afford, but I also don't want to spend 320m ISK per month to play free-ish either!". You can't win. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.08 11:33:00 - [150] Originally by: Tnam These psuedo macro characters kind of screw up a lot of 0.0 space and actually provide ISK income to the alliances who are in effect harboring them (by allowing them to anchor giant cans on POS shields and suchlike). There's certainly organizations in 0.0 that harbor macroers. However, there's plenty who don't, and actively try to get rid of them. Which is fairly difficult, cloaking Ravens are a *****. And ever tried to shoot an anchored GSC? They have the HP of a small POS. It would be nice to see CCP do something about the macro accounts, but it seems they're either unwilling or incapable of it.

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