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Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Confuzer You can't beat things with no life, so just give up then ;) If that were true, I'd already be teh winnar of EVE. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Qordel To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. This. If you convey to him your intention to kill him, even the most anti-social of players has no basis to complain after ignoring said warnings. This is a PVP game. Anyone should be grateful for getting advance notice that PVP is being thrust upon them and for being given a very simple method of avoiding it.
Zhenga Black Thorn Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Zhenga on 07/01/2009 16:37:41 ...
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Qordel Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. How about "He just doesn't want to talk to your *** ass?" Seriously, I ignore local chatter when in highsec - it's usually a bunch of chuck norris jokes and ** waving nonsense. Equally, if some newblett is spam mailing me with "r u bots????" I'm equally likely just to ignore that nonsense and carry on with what I'm doing.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:10:00 - [35] Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 07/01/2009 18:10:46 What exactly is he doing that is so annoying? Mining out all your asteroids? The war dec could really blow up in your face, he could have multiple accounts and be using that 2 man corp to generate ISK for his PVP activities. You might end up with some really ****ed off dude (and possibly his friends) going around and wiping out your own mining ops for a while as revenge. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Mukuro Gravedigger	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:15:00 - [36] What about time spent in the game as potential evidence of a macro miner? The last two weeks I was off for the holidays and was able to log into the game and play during various time periods. I noticed this one particular miner would be online the moment the server came up to toiling away in a belt as the server went down. Various random times throughout the day, this same miner would be within one of around four to five belts mining whatever asteroids were nearby. Any and all belt rats did not phase this miner, much less anyone else that might be mining the same rock this individual decided to mine. If there were little to no rocks nearby, then instead of moving to a larger cluster, this miner would be using one or two strip miners instead of three on his (its?) Hulk ship. Any and all attempts of conversation were ignored, much less any attempts of annoying the player (bumping). While I did not use a stop watch to precisely time it, the routine of mining, stopping, warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining were almost always exact in routine and time frame - even when the ship was sitting within an empty belt and thus an empty cargo hold. The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. Yes, I am a miner by profession and my time spent mining can not compete with these super players.
Golan Cinquanteneuf Gallente Carthage.	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeba Heh, drop the suspected witch into a bit of deep water tied to a weighted chair and if she doesn't drown then the charge of witchcraft was confirmed so pull her out and untie her then go burn her at the stake. Oh she drowned? Charges cleared then and may God guide her soul into Heaven. Never thought Eve would have Puritans in Space tbqfh. This
Jericho thePure Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:33:00 - [38] Maybe 1) he is duel boxing 2) doesn't give a **** if he is annoying some stupid carebears.
Jericho thePure Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 07/01/2009 18:10:46 What exactly is he doing that is so annoying? Mining out all your asteroids? The war dec could really blow up in your face, he could have multiple accounts and be using that 2 man corp to generate ISK for his PVP activities. You might end up with some really **ed off dude (and possibly his friends) going around and wiping out your own mining ops for a while as revenge. Should be funny when he next posts in crime and punishment pleading for help with the anal ** he and his carebear buddies get once they open the can of worms.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:41:00 - [40] Dude, they're in a player corp. NEVER petition a player corp for botting, just lay on your wardec, fit out some frigs, and go blow up the guy. You might just be surprised to see him come out with PewPew ships of his own. If he jumps corp and runs back to his NPC corp, but continues his macro-like behavior, then petition him. And petition CCP for letting them use their expensive ships in NPC corps (For the protection NPC corps offer there should be restrictions... like no Barges & no Freighters). Always use in-game mechanics (even if you twist them) before you resort to petitions. I think of the hundred or so crazy-named Macros I've petitioned maybe 5 have gone away. None of those by CCP, tho, as they were originally in mining-BS.

Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Evemail me with his name, where he mines and what time he mines at, if he's close enough and I'm bored it will be dealt with. Cannot....resists.....curse you! This will be dealt with.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:49:00 - [42] Originally by: JaseNZ Any suggestions on what else we could try? 1- Flip his can 2- Gank him
JaseNZ Gallente DRAGONFLEET GARDIAN ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:31:00 - [43] Edited by: JaseNZ on 07/01/2009 19:33:53 Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger What about time spent in the game as potential evidence of a macro miner? The last two weeks I was off for the holidays and was able to log into the game and play during various time periods. I noticed this one particular miner would be online the moment the server came up to toiling away in a belt as the server went down. Various random times throughout the day, this same miner would be within one of around four to five belts mining whatever asteroids were nearby. Any and all belt rats did not phase this miner, much less anyone else that might be mining the same rock this individual decided to mine. If there were little to no rocks nearby, then instead of moving to a larger cluster, this miner would be using one or two strip miners instead of three on his (its?) Hulk ship. Any and all attempts of conversation were ignored, much less any attempts of annoying the player (bumping). While I did not use a stop watch to precisely time it, the routine of mining, stopping, warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining were almost always exact in routine and time frame - even when the ship was sitting within an empty belt and thus an empty cargo hold. The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. Yes, I am a miner by profession and my time spent mining can not compete with these super players. Yeah I am a miner by profession too and I've noticed a lot of the same things you've mentioned from this player. I know EVE is pretty much a free for all do whatever you want sort of a game, but the miners from other corps etc that I have contact with are all relatively friendly people, and we respect each other, if I warp in to where someone else is mining already, I go to the further side of the belt and start mining there, or if I am the one already there, the other player goes to the other end of the belt, so we don't interfere with each other. This guy just warps in, targets asteroids and has at it, even if I (or in the case of others in local, they) are already mining with whatever mining being used. We all find it a bit rude. Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: JaseNZ Any suggestions on what else we could try? 1- Flip his can 2- Gank him He doesn't drop cans, just warps in, fills his Hulk, goes to station, then comes back, rinse and repeat...
Hungo Minmatar Genesis Industries	Posted - 2009.01.07 20:04:00 - [44] Originally by: JaseNZ Hey all. Been playing a while now and learning what to do and what not to do in relation to playing EVE. Been mining in a system now for a few weeks and noticed one player that habitually does the same thing pretty much every day, at similar times of the day. Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. We've tried to contact the player and let them know what we think, and that what they are doing annoys the living daylights out of us, but no one ever gets a reply, and we have never seen this player ever say anything in chats or in local. We suspect he may be someone's mining bot, but obviously there's no way for us to be sure. Any suggestions on what else we could try? We're all thinking about petitioning CCP about it (all the annoyed miners and myself) and letting them do whatever it is they do in regards to this, failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. I do the same thing alot, mine all day every day whislt i read my book ro work, and i get whiners like you threatening to war dec me, so i told them to, and after i killed 40 of them in three days they gave up and ****ed off You have no right to threaten this person or know his abilitys in pvp, tbh i hope u all get ur asses kicked
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 20:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 07/01/2009 20:08:11 I'd test it out via suicide Frigates. You'll take a security hit and get CONCORDOKKEN but you won't have an open war dec that he can exploit by dropping his PVP main into the dec'd corp and blasting you to smithereens in your mining ships a few hours later. 1) Seeing you attack his Hulk will get his attention, or at least if its damaged and he's AFK he might wonder WTF? 2) T1 Equipped Frigs are cheaper than a war dec and CONCORD won't pod you. A P.O.'d player might. 3) Sec status isn't hard to regain. Run a few missions or kill a few rats. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
JaseNZ Gallente DRAGONFLEET GARDIAN ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: JaseNZ Hey all. Been playing a while now and learning what to do and what not to do in relation to playing EVE. Been mining in a system now for a few weeks and noticed one player that habitually does the same thing pretty much every day, at similar times of the day. Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. We've tried to contact the player and let them know what we think, and that what they are doing annoys the living daylights out of us, but no one ever gets a reply, and we have never seen this player ever say anything in chats or in local. We suspect he may be someone's mining bot, but obviously there's no way for us to be sure. Any suggestions on what else we could try? We're all thinking about petitioning CCP about it (all the annoyed miners and myself) and letting them do whatever it is they do in regards to this, failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. I do the same thing alot, mine all day every day whislt i read my book ro work, and i get whiners like you threatening to war dec me, so i told them to, and after i killed 40 of them in three days they gave up and **ed off You have no right to threaten this person or know his abilitys in pvp, tbh i hope u all get ur asses kicked Well if someone's gonna go around being a massive **tard to everyone in the system, they deserve to be knocked down a peg or two, bot or no bot.
Artimis Scout Caldari Wormhole Cartography	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining Most definitly a macro miner. I have NEVER heard of anybody using only one station in a particular system and then undocking at the SAME station. CCP should fix this.
SiJira	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:42:00 - [48] i do the same thing every day does that make me a bot because i dont want to talk to you?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. You have participated to the XFire contest? there is a guy that had "156 hours on line for the last week" for all the time. That is 22 hours and some minute every day. I doubt he was a a macro or a sweatshop worker as that kind of people don't participate to this kind of contest. Simply some people play a lot afk, even napping some of the time. Unhealthy? Yes. Prohibited? Not.
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Venkul Mul [ I doubt he was a a macro or a sweatshop worker as that kind of people don't participate to this kind of contest. Simply some people play a lot afk, even napping some of the time. Unhealthy? Yes. Prohibited? Not. My account is typically on about 20/7. I'm rarely at the keyboard, but I find it easy to have the client up and connected so I can do quick market checks/order adjustments when I have a minute or two between other things. So, to summarize... Things that do not prove he's a bot: Time logged in is not indicative of being a bot. Unwillingness to talk to whiners in local is not indicative of being a bot. Mining "your" highsec roid is not indicative of being a bot Mining the belt faster than you do is not indicative of being a bot. Using the same system/station/belt for his mining activities is not indicative of being a bot Things you can do about it anyway: Grow a pair. Wardec him. Suicide gank him. Get over it. Change systems Ignore those that annoy you, as he's already likely doing to you. Hope that helped to clear things up for you. ----------------

Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:15:00 - [51] you going about this the wrong way why wardec him when you can just steal from him, iif you do it enough he would leave or if he a bot he wont know you gain isk at the same time if you are picking the combat route dont forget the lube and points
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:18:00 - [52] Quote: Equally, if some newblett is spam mailing me with "r u bots????" I'm equally likely just to ignore that nonsense and carry on with what I'm doing. Meh, I'd reply "r u tard????"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Malcanis Being a proven macro miner is more excuse than you need to attack him. This is EvE; "I just don't like you" is sufficient. this tbh why i love eve cuddles EVE Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Blastil	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Malcanis Being a proven macro miner is more excuse than you need to attack him. This is EvE; "I just don't like you" is sufficient. I prefer "My finger slipped" 8 times.
Daoi Sith	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Qordel To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. no excuse for not ignoring it ? how about frak off i dont want to talk to you. you have no obligations to anyone in game, whatsoever.
Elienee	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:52:00 - [56] Just macromine yourself. Its perfectly safe and gets you lots of ISK when you are sleeping
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger What about time spent in the game as potential evidence of a macro miner? The last two weeks I was off for the holidays and was able to log into the game and play during various time periods. I noticed this one particular miner would be online the moment the server came up to toiling away in a belt as the server went down. Various random times throughout the day, this same miner would be within one of around four to five belts mining whatever asteroids were nearby. Any and all belt rats did not phase this miner, much less anyone else that might be mining the same rock this individual decided to mine. If there were little to no rocks nearby, then instead of moving to a larger cluster, this miner would be using one or two strip miners instead of three on his (its?) Hulk ship. Any and all attempts of conversation were ignored, much less any attempts of annoying the player (bumping). While I did not use a stop watch to precisely time it, the routine of mining, stopping, warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining were almost always exact in routine and time frame - even when the ship was sitting within an empty belt and thus an empty cargo hold. The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. Yes, I am a miner by profession and my time spent mining can not compete with these super players. so that guy was doing exactly the same as you(he must of been as you saw what he was doing) and you want him to be banned for being a bot?
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:32:00 - [58] Suicide gank him and see what language pops into local, if any.
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:40:00 - [59] What makes you soooo special that this guy has to stop what he is doing and respond to you in local???? Stop being a pus if you think he is botting suicide gank him.
GateScout	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:50:00 - [60] Originally by: JaseNZ Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. You mean mining without interacting with you? For all I know, you could be describing my high sec mining alt. If so, I look forward to the war dec. Of course, if you're running a macro-miner, why would you be in a non-NPC corp? I'd bet this is just some mining alt (perhaps mine ) or some guy that doesn't read local and has chat blocked (like me ). Good luck with the war dec.



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