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JaseNZ	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:28:00 - [1] Hey all. Been playing a while now and learning what to do and what not to do in relation to playing EVE. Been mining in a system now for a few weeks and noticed one player that habitually does the same thing pretty much every day, at similar times of the day. Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. We've tried to contact the player and let them know what we think, and that what they are doing annoys the living daylights out of us, but no one ever gets a reply, and we have never seen this player ever say anything in chats or in local. We suspect he may be someone's mining bot, but obviously there's no way for us to be sure. Any suggestions on what else we could try? We're all thinking about petitioning CCP about it (all the annoyed miners and myself) and letting them do whatever it is they do in regards to this, failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:39:00 - [2] Both would be valid ways to handle the situation. Grants *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:42:00 - [3] Originally by: JaseNZ Any suggestions on what else we could try? We're all thinking about petitioning CCP about it (all the annoyed miners and myself) and letting them do whatever it is they do in regards to this, failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. Those two options are not mutually exclusive. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
king toad	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:44:00 - [4] I would go with war dec it be much more fun after that then report if he keeps it up "I dont think he will tho" lol
Sholen Skara	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:54:00 - [5] Edited by: Sholen Skara on 07/01/2009 08:54:18 A few basic steps to get rid of this guy: 1. Wardec his 2-man corp 2. Get yourselves some nice ships and weaponry 3. Scan him down 4. Warp to location 5. It's PEWPEW time If the guy persists: rinse and repeat
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.01.07 08:59:00 - [6] Wardec, blow up, petition for botting if this wardec proves it, wait for the results. Diary of a pod pilot
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2009.01.07 09:08:00 - [7] Originally by: JaseNZ Been mining in a system now for a few weeks and noticed one player that habitually does the same thing pretty much every day, at similar times of the day. That sounds like me. Originally by: JaseNZ We've tried to contact the player and let them know what we think, and that what they are doing annoys the living daylights out of us, What? Minding their own buisness and mining? Originally by: JaseNZ but no one ever gets a reply, and we have never seen this player ever say anything in chats or in local. That also sounds like me. Originally by: JaseNZ We suspect he may be someone's mining bot, but obviously there's no way for us to be sure. True but he may just like to relax with a bit of mining early in the morning before his ebil children get out of bed and start annoying the siht out of him. Originally by: JaseNZ we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. Whatever make you feel good
Valtrexx Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.07 09:50:00 - [8] looking at your ceo makes me wishing to quit game -This space intentionally has nothing but text explaining why this space has nothing but text explaining that this space would otherwise have been left blank, and would otherwise have been left blank.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.07 09:58:00 - [9] EVE is ebil, it shutdowns your client if it detects that some 3rd party program tries to scan screen from objects or colors by pixels "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
piratezxp Caldari Cerulean Sky Fire Industries AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.01.07 10:00:00 - [10] Edited by: piratezxp on 07/01/2009 10:00:37 Two Words: pew pew Signature --------------------- EVE Online VoIP Services: http://evevoip.alienxservers.co.uk

Neddy Fox Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.01.07 10:15:00 - [11] 1] Bump him away from the belt, see if he responds. 2] After the wardeck, check if his pod keeps returning to the belt and tries to mine :P ---- [PXIN Recruiter] PXIN Recruitement thread
Secunda Martia Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 10:54:00 - [12] Originally by: JaseNZ failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. I once had a character in a 3-member corp. One of our members, annoyed at the disruptive and abusive behaviour of a young gentleman in a chat channel, called him on said behaviour. Unfortunately the gentleman proved to be a junior member of a rather large, rich PVP corporation, which didn't seem to care what its members did, but was quite happy to mobilise to defend them against nasty people who expected unreasonable standards of them, like "not being real-life racist toerags in the chat channels". Needless to say our corp - and our game - was pretty much ruined. We lost a mining barge that we'd saved for ages to buy - and yes, we understand that you Shouldn't Fly Anything You Can't Afford To ReplaceÖ, and losing a ship is essentially our own fault really; but it was still hugely demoralising at the time. As a result, one of my friends quit the game (they were wavering anyway, admittedly), and the other went back to their NPC corp. After a week or so and a small number of destroyed ships I just rolled a new main. I've never been in a player corporation since. I offer that sob story not to elicit sympathy or flames (though I expect a few of the latter), but just to show what it can be like from the point of view of those unjustly declared on. But maybe you're right in your suspicions. I hate macroers as much as the next player. And yes, I've read their articles and posts offering feeble rationalisations and claiming that they're "not really doing any harm" and it's all about "challenging themselves" in writing the scripts, and they're actually good guys really; and all that guff. It's nonsense. They're cheats and scam merchants and I say it's fine to blow them up. Would do myself if I had the kit and the funds - and the certainty that the ship I was attacking was under macro control. Otherwise I'd just be griefing another player because they won't talk to me. Presumably this guy's in high-sec - hence the need for an expensive war dec. Maybe that's because he's a macroer and it means he doesn't have to keep watching his screen. Or maybe it's because he's saved for ages to afford that ship and wants to minimise his risk of losing it. It's up to you, of course, but you've said yourself "obviously there's no way for us to be sure". Personally I'd petition this player and let CCP investigate. If you're spoiling for a bit of righteous vigilante action there're plenty of random-name bots out there you could tackle first with far more confidence of a hitting a proper target; or I think I recall there are boards and forums for macro-hunters to discuss targets?
Seetesh Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:00:00 - [13] Could just suicide gank him in smartbombing ships :P probably two ships fully insured.
Lei Merdeau Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:08:00 - [14] EveMail him ?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:09:00 - [15] Being a proven macro miner is more excuse than you need to attack him. This is EvE; "I just don't like you" is sufficient.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Seetesh Could just suicide gank him in smartbombing ships :P probably two ships fully insured. Yes, this is only oprion to handle this kind of ekoterrorists. If you wardec them they'll just go to another corp.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Being a proven macro miner is more excuse than you need to attack him. This is EvE; "I just don't like you" is sufficient. I prefer "My finger slipped" ---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
Shadow Knife	Posted - 2009.01.07 11:22:00 - [18] The fact that he is in a two man corp means that He is probably not a macro miner. Macro miners generally stay in NPC corps. He may not speak english well, or just wants to ignore you.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:06:00 - [19] Ignore it. CCP do. After all, they are paying to play, aren't they?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:19:00 - [20] Threads like this are why I will probably never move my mining division out of the npc corp. Simplistic warderc mechanics + group of emokids with gunz + moms cc + evetimecode + sell gtc in Jita for lots of wardec iskies = Big ***ing target for making a player corp on my op for no tangible gain past letting nubs with reallife social issues try to kill me for the lulz. Now don't get me wrong if thats how you want to play the game then by all means play it that way just don't be suprised if I a) don't roll over and let you gank me or b) call you out for what you really are: Ganktards who think popping helpless miners is the pinnicle of peeveepee. So you want to impress me? Go wardec a mining corp with like you know combat* pilots or something in it then set up a nice trap to kill off any combat reinforcements that show up after you toasted thier mining op. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan

VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:33:00 - [21] ccp doesn't care... You could try suicide ganking him. If he sends you a hatemail in somewhat proper English or German or something then its not likely to be a bot.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:38:00 - [22] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto ccp doesn't care... You could try suicide ganking him. If he sends you a hatemail in somewhat proper English or German or something then its not likely to be a bot. Heh, drop the suspected witch into a bit of deep water tied to a weighted chair and if she doesn't drown then the charge of witchcraft was confirmed so pull her out and untie her then go burn her at the stake. Oh she drowned? Charges cleared then and may God guide her soul into Heaven. Never thought Eve would have Puritans in Space tbqfh.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:54:00 - [23] To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto.	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 07/01/2009 13:06:05 Originally by: Qordel he has no excuse for ignoring it. Why of course he does. He might just not be interrested in talking to random locals. All of the "proof" prestented as to him being a bot can easily be applied to anyone in game. I am usually on at roughly the same time every day. (Evening) I pretty much do the same things every day. (Kill stuff with fir... well..) I pretty much tend to annoy people with my actions. (OMFG YOU NOOB YOU KILLED MY PIXELS!! RABBLERABBLE) I don't reply to random people evemailing me, and most of the time have autoreject turned on. I'm a bot!! \o/
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Qordel To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. Fail, pal. I hate talking to people in local AND getting messages from randoms - those are deleted instantly, regardless of their content. Quote: At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. And what happens if English is not their first language eh? Tsk tsk.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.07 13:41:00 - [26] Evemail me with his name, where he mines and what time he mines at, if he's close enough and I'm bored it will be dealt with.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 07/01/2009 13:06:05 Originally by: Qordel he has no excuse for ignoring it. Why of course he does. He might just not be interrested in talking to random locals. Then he gets blown up and the original poster can feel better about himself if he had any qualms of attacking someone that might not be what he thinks they are as he will have given the guy the benefit of the doubt and performed some due-diligence. If you ignore direct contact warning that you're going to be fired on if you don't at least acknowledge the person, then the price for being that ridiculously anti-social is getting blown up. Pretty simple. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:04:00 - [28] Edited by: Qordel on 07/01/2009 14:04:14 Originally by: Captain Pompous Originally by: Qordel To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. Quote: Fail, pal. I hate talking to people in local AND getting messages from randoms - those are deleted instantly, regardless of their content. As I mentioned above, if you're so anti-social that you won't even acknowledge the guy's attempts to verify that you're not a bot then settle for being attacked. At least the guy made an effort before firing on you. Not that I don't understand the desire not to be talkative in channel or acknowledge people. But I certainly would if I thought I was going to be shot at and I was defenseless. Quote: At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. And what happens if English is not their first language eh? Tsk tsk. I'm pretty sure you can manage some vague response, even if English is only your second language. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Confuzer on 07/01/2009 14:20:04 Is it a Dread? Does it mine Veldspar? Then it's not bot, just someone with 80 accounts and no life at all. You can't beat things with no life, so just give up then ;)
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:31:00 - [30] just steal his can and see what he does. if he talks. otherwise just rob his can.. and get free isk.

Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Confuzer You can't beat things with no life, so just give up then ;) If that were true, I'd already be teh winnar of EVE. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Qordel To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. This. If you convey to him your intention to kill him, even the most anti-social of players has no basis to complain after ignoring said warnings. This is a PVP game. Anyone should be grateful for getting advance notice that PVP is being thrust upon them and for being given a very simple method of avoiding it.
Zhenga Black Thorn Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Zhenga on 07/01/2009 16:37:41 ...
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Qordel Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. How about "He just doesn't want to talk to your *** ass?" Seriously, I ignore local chatter when in highsec - it's usually a bunch of chuck norris jokes and ** waving nonsense. Equally, if some newblett is spam mailing me with "r u bots????" I'm equally likely just to ignore that nonsense and carry on with what I'm doing.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:10:00 - [35] Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 07/01/2009 18:10:46 What exactly is he doing that is so annoying? Mining out all your asteroids? The war dec could really blow up in your face, he could have multiple accounts and be using that 2 man corp to generate ISK for his PVP activities. You might end up with some really ****ed off dude (and possibly his friends) going around and wiping out your own mining ops for a while as revenge. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Mukuro Gravedigger	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:15:00 - [36] What about time spent in the game as potential evidence of a macro miner? The last two weeks I was off for the holidays and was able to log into the game and play during various time periods. I noticed this one particular miner would be online the moment the server came up to toiling away in a belt as the server went down. Various random times throughout the day, this same miner would be within one of around four to five belts mining whatever asteroids were nearby. Any and all belt rats did not phase this miner, much less anyone else that might be mining the same rock this individual decided to mine. If there were little to no rocks nearby, then instead of moving to a larger cluster, this miner would be using one or two strip miners instead of three on his (its?) Hulk ship. Any and all attempts of conversation were ignored, much less any attempts of annoying the player (bumping). While I did not use a stop watch to precisely time it, the routine of mining, stopping, warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining were almost always exact in routine and time frame - even when the ship was sitting within an empty belt and thus an empty cargo hold. The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. Yes, I am a miner by profession and my time spent mining can not compete with these super players.
Golan Cinquanteneuf Gallente Carthage.	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeba Heh, drop the suspected witch into a bit of deep water tied to a weighted chair and if she doesn't drown then the charge of witchcraft was confirmed so pull her out and untie her then go burn her at the stake. Oh she drowned? Charges cleared then and may God guide her soul into Heaven. Never thought Eve would have Puritans in Space tbqfh. This
Jericho thePure Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:33:00 - [38] Maybe 1) he is duel boxing 2) doesn't give a **** if he is annoying some stupid carebears.
Jericho thePure Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 07/01/2009 18:10:46 What exactly is he doing that is so annoying? Mining out all your asteroids? The war dec could really blow up in your face, he could have multiple accounts and be using that 2 man corp to generate ISK for his PVP activities. You might end up with some really **ed off dude (and possibly his friends) going around and wiping out your own mining ops for a while as revenge. Should be funny when he next posts in crime and punishment pleading for help with the anal ** he and his carebear buddies get once they open the can of worms.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:41:00 - [40] Dude, they're in a player corp. NEVER petition a player corp for botting, just lay on your wardec, fit out some frigs, and go blow up the guy. You might just be surprised to see him come out with PewPew ships of his own. If he jumps corp and runs back to his NPC corp, but continues his macro-like behavior, then petition him. And petition CCP for letting them use their expensive ships in NPC corps (For the protection NPC corps offer there should be restrictions... like no Barges & no Freighters). Always use in-game mechanics (even if you twist them) before you resort to petitions. I think of the hundred or so crazy-named Macros I've petitioned maybe 5 have gone away. None of those by CCP, tho, as they were originally in mining-BS.

Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Evemail me with his name, where he mines and what time he mines at, if he's close enough and I'm bored it will be dealt with. Cannot....resists.....curse you! This will be dealt with.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:49:00 - [42] Originally by: JaseNZ Any suggestions on what else we could try? 1- Flip his can 2- Gank him
JaseNZ Gallente DRAGONFLEET GARDIAN ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:31:00 - [43] Edited by: JaseNZ on 07/01/2009 19:33:53 Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger What about time spent in the game as potential evidence of a macro miner? The last two weeks I was off for the holidays and was able to log into the game and play during various time periods. I noticed this one particular miner would be online the moment the server came up to toiling away in a belt as the server went down. Various random times throughout the day, this same miner would be within one of around four to five belts mining whatever asteroids were nearby. Any and all belt rats did not phase this miner, much less anyone else that might be mining the same rock this individual decided to mine. If there were little to no rocks nearby, then instead of moving to a larger cluster, this miner would be using one or two strip miners instead of three on his (its?) Hulk ship. Any and all attempts of conversation were ignored, much less any attempts of annoying the player (bumping). While I did not use a stop watch to precisely time it, the routine of mining, stopping, warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining were almost always exact in routine and time frame - even when the ship was sitting within an empty belt and thus an empty cargo hold. The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. Yes, I am a miner by profession and my time spent mining can not compete with these super players. Yeah I am a miner by profession too and I've noticed a lot of the same things you've mentioned from this player. I know EVE is pretty much a free for all do whatever you want sort of a game, but the miners from other corps etc that I have contact with are all relatively friendly people, and we respect each other, if I warp in to where someone else is mining already, I go to the further side of the belt and start mining there, or if I am the one already there, the other player goes to the other end of the belt, so we don't interfere with each other. This guy just warps in, targets asteroids and has at it, even if I (or in the case of others in local, they) are already mining with whatever mining being used. We all find it a bit rude. Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: JaseNZ Any suggestions on what else we could try? 1- Flip his can 2- Gank him He doesn't drop cans, just warps in, fills his Hulk, goes to station, then comes back, rinse and repeat...
Hungo Minmatar Genesis Industries	Posted - 2009.01.07 20:04:00 - [44] Originally by: JaseNZ Hey all. Been playing a while now and learning what to do and what not to do in relation to playing EVE. Been mining in a system now for a few weeks and noticed one player that habitually does the same thing pretty much every day, at similar times of the day. Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. We've tried to contact the player and let them know what we think, and that what they are doing annoys the living daylights out of us, but no one ever gets a reply, and we have never seen this player ever say anything in chats or in local. We suspect he may be someone's mining bot, but obviously there's no way for us to be sure. Any suggestions on what else we could try? We're all thinking about petitioning CCP about it (all the annoyed miners and myself) and letting them do whatever it is they do in regards to this, failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. I do the same thing alot, mine all day every day whislt i read my book ro work, and i get whiners like you threatening to war dec me, so i told them to, and after i killed 40 of them in three days they gave up and ****ed off You have no right to threaten this person or know his abilitys in pvp, tbh i hope u all get ur asses kicked
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 20:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 07/01/2009 20:08:11 I'd test it out via suicide Frigates. You'll take a security hit and get CONCORDOKKEN but you won't have an open war dec that he can exploit by dropping his PVP main into the dec'd corp and blasting you to smithereens in your mining ships a few hours later. 1) Seeing you attack his Hulk will get his attention, or at least if its damaged and he's AFK he might wonder WTF? 2) T1 Equipped Frigs are cheaper than a war dec and CONCORD won't pod you. A P.O.'d player might. 3) Sec status isn't hard to regain. Run a few missions or kill a few rats. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
JaseNZ Gallente DRAGONFLEET GARDIAN ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: JaseNZ Hey all. Been playing a while now and learning what to do and what not to do in relation to playing EVE. Been mining in a system now for a few weeks and noticed one player that habitually does the same thing pretty much every day, at similar times of the day. Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. We've tried to contact the player and let them know what we think, and that what they are doing annoys the living daylights out of us, but no one ever gets a reply, and we have never seen this player ever say anything in chats or in local. We suspect he may be someone's mining bot, but obviously there's no way for us to be sure. Any suggestions on what else we could try? We're all thinking about petitioning CCP about it (all the annoyed miners and myself) and letting them do whatever it is they do in regards to this, failing that we're just gonna war dec the guy's 2 member corp and lay siege to his Hulk whenever we see it heh. I do the same thing alot, mine all day every day whislt i read my book ro work, and i get whiners like you threatening to war dec me, so i told them to, and after i killed 40 of them in three days they gave up and **ed off You have no right to threaten this person or know his abilitys in pvp, tbh i hope u all get ur asses kicked Well if someone's gonna go around being a massive **tard to everyone in the system, they deserve to be knocked down a peg or two, bot or no bot.
Artimis Scout Caldari Wormhole Cartography	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining Most definitly a macro miner. I have NEVER heard of anybody using only one station in a particular system and then undocking at the SAME station. CCP should fix this.
SiJira	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:42:00 - [48] i do the same thing every day does that make me a bot because i dont want to talk to you?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. You have participated to the XFire contest? there is a guy that had "156 hours on line for the last week" for all the time. That is 22 hours and some minute every day. I doubt he was a a macro or a sweatshop worker as that kind of people don't participate to this kind of contest. Simply some people play a lot afk, even napping some of the time. Unhealthy? Yes. Prohibited? Not.
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Venkul Mul [ I doubt he was a a macro or a sweatshop worker as that kind of people don't participate to this kind of contest. Simply some people play a lot afk, even napping some of the time. Unhealthy? Yes. Prohibited? Not. My account is typically on about 20/7. I'm rarely at the keyboard, but I find it easy to have the client up and connected so I can do quick market checks/order adjustments when I have a minute or two between other things. So, to summarize... Things that do not prove he's a bot: Time logged in is not indicative of being a bot. Unwillingness to talk to whiners in local is not indicative of being a bot. Mining "your" highsec roid is not indicative of being a bot Mining the belt faster than you do is not indicative of being a bot. Using the same system/station/belt for his mining activities is not indicative of being a bot Things you can do about it anyway: Grow a pair. Wardec him. Suicide gank him. Get over it. Change systems Ignore those that annoy you, as he's already likely doing to you. Hope that helped to clear things up for you. ----------------

Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:15:00 - [51] you going about this the wrong way why wardec him when you can just steal from him, iif you do it enough he would leave or if he a bot he wont know you gain isk at the same time if you are picking the combat route dont forget the lube and points
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.07 23:18:00 - [52] Quote: Equally, if some newblett is spam mailing me with "r u bots????" I'm equally likely just to ignore that nonsense and carry on with what I'm doing. Meh, I'd reply "r u tard????"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Malcanis Being a proven macro miner is more excuse than you need to attack him. This is EvE; "I just don't like you" is sufficient. this tbh why i love eve cuddles EVE Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Blastil	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Malcanis Being a proven macro miner is more excuse than you need to attack him. This is EvE; "I just don't like you" is sufficient. I prefer "My finger slipped" 8 times.
Daoi Sith	Posted - 2009.01.08 18:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Qordel To be sure he isn't just some AFK miner doing his thing, send him multiple messages in chat and email over a period of time (spaced out reasonably so that if he was AFK he'd have to come back). Obviously if you see him hauling away toward a station and then coming back to the belt, he is active and awake and at the screen, so if you are messaging him before, during and after that - he has no excuse for ignoring it. Now, for the content of the messages -- simply state that you are concerned he may be an isk farmer / isk seller and that if you he does not reply to you within a certain amount of time, you are going to open fire. And after a number of spaced-out warnings, have at it. At least, that's what I'd suggest if you want to do something about an isk farmer/seller without risking screwing up some poor guy's night who just doesn't see your message, spends a lot of time AFK or is just really shy and not talkative. no excuse for not ignoring it ? how about frak off i dont want to talk to you. you have no obligations to anyone in game, whatsoever.
Elienee	Posted - 2009.01.08 19:52:00 - [56] Just macromine yourself. Its perfectly safe and gets you lots of ISK when you are sleeping
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger What about time spent in the game as potential evidence of a macro miner? The last two weeks I was off for the holidays and was able to log into the game and play during various time periods. I noticed this one particular miner would be online the moment the server came up to toiling away in a belt as the server went down. Various random times throughout the day, this same miner would be within one of around four to five belts mining whatever asteroids were nearby. Any and all belt rats did not phase this miner, much less anyone else that might be mining the same rock this individual decided to mine. If there were little to no rocks nearby, then instead of moving to a larger cluster, this miner would be using one or two strip miners instead of three on his (its?) Hulk ship. Any and all attempts of conversation were ignored, much less any attempts of annoying the player (bumping). While I did not use a stop watch to precisely time it, the routine of mining, stopping, warping to the same station, leaving the same station, floating out a certain distance away, and then warping back to a belt to begin mining were almost always exact in routine and time frame - even when the ship was sitting within an empty belt and thus an empty cargo hold. The most annoying aspect to all of this is CCP has records of when people logon and logoff, yet can not see _one_ account online 23 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop. So perhaps the owner is super human and does not need sleep since account sharing is against the rules. Or maybe the owner does not need to be around, since some program seems to be performing quite nicely. Yes, I am a miner by profession and my time spent mining can not compete with these super players. so that guy was doing exactly the same as you(he must of been as you saw what he was doing) and you want him to be banned for being a bot?
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:32:00 - [58] Suicide gank him and see what language pops into local, if any.
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:40:00 - [59] What makes you soooo special that this guy has to stop what he is doing and respond to you in local???? Stop being a pus if you think he is botting suicide gank him.
GateScout	Posted - 2009.01.08 20:50:00 - [60] Originally by: JaseNZ Been talking with a few other miners I get along with in the system and they are starting to get annoyed at the actions of this player also. You mean mining without interacting with you? For all I know, you could be describing my high sec mining alt. If so, I look forward to the war dec. Of course, if you're running a macro-miner, why would you be in a non-NPC corp? I'd bet this is just some mining alt (perhaps mine ) or some guy that doesn't read local and has chat blocked (like me ). Good luck with the war dec.

Galena Technetium	Posted - 2009.01.08 21:20:00 - [61] I have a pair of macro miners that have been reported quite a bit by various people in my "home" system. Used to be a third, but he's disappeared lately. They are on 23/7. They use hulks, no drones, no jet cans, no shield boosters.... NPC pirates attack them, and are ignored. They do not jet can mine, they only mine till their hold fills up, warp back to station, dump, undock, warp back to rocks, mine some more till the belt runs out, move to next belt, rinse, repeat. Most of the "inner" asteroid belts are mined out constantly by these people. They never talk. Never do anything other than the automated script. I've tried conversing with them, only silence. They're in NPC noob corps, so you can't war dec em, they don't use drones so you can't exploit them, they don't jet can so no can flipping, and utterly ignore being targetted :). My only consolation is that their method of mining is relatively ineffecient, however, since they play NON-STOP every day of the week, the entire time Eve is online... they can more than afford to be ineffecient. Wish Eve would do something about these people.
MrChook Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.09 04:44:00 - [62] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I prefer "My finger slipped" I like the "overview glitch" excuse myself.
Doctor Remulak	Posted - 2009.01.09 05:52:00 - [63] Reading this thread gives me the impression that miners are the most anti-social people of Eve. Let me get this straight - you all like to sit an mine without interacting with anyone at all, ever, and try you best to avoid even the most cursory of communication? Why bother to even play an mmorpg?
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.01.09 06:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Doctor Remulak Reading this thread gives me the impression that miners are the most anti-social people of Eve. Let me get this straight - you all like to sit an mine without interacting with anyone at all, ever, and try you best to avoid even the most cursory of communication? Why bother to even play an mmorpg? I'm perfectly capable of interacting with pleanty of people without needing to turn to twanging ** newbs whining in local. Play a MMO =/= wants to make friends with every mouthbreathing **** that happens to be in the same system I am.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.09 06:24:00 - [65] Originally by: Doctor Remulak Reading this thread gives me the impression that miners are the most anti-social people of Eve. Let me get this straight - you all like to sit an mine without interacting with anyone at all, ever, and try you best to avoid even the most cursory of communication? Why bother to even play an mmorpg? Mining is an extremely boring acivity that people tend to semi afk play as they chat or do homework or watch tv or fap to furry pron whilst browsing /b/ or any number of other rl things you can do at the same time. So would you want to be bothered by a bunch of anal retentive nubs being gm wannabes by harrasing you with constant convos and evemails? **** no as thats the whole point of solo mining: Making easy isk when your rl intrudes upon your eve time such that you can't focus enough to pvp or pve but not so bad as to keep you from glancing over at the client every few minutes and dumping some ore/ice.
Minny Sky	Posted - 2009.01.09 06:33:00 - [66] ccp doesnt care
GateScout	Posted - 2009.01.09 18:25:00 - [67] Considering the constant whining about Trit prices, you would expect half of the EvE population craving for MORE macro miners....


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