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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:34:00 -
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Everyones probably seen those signs on the highway. They're there as a warning, you realise your mistake turn around and choose a different path.
Years ago CCP took a wrong turn, they decided to make a group of people more powerful then a single person. They did this by adding group bonuses, ships that buffed groups, modules that buffed groups, ships that helped out other ships, implants that buffed groups, drones that helped out a groups ships.
They deliberately prenerfed modules and bonuses that could be applied to the skilled persons ship if that person wasnt in a group - you could be an expert in sensor boosting ships and thus get a very large bonus but only if your mate with sensor linking 1 is in the group with you?.
The whole idea was to make groups > soloers.
Thats a bad thing? Surely not? A group of people should be better then a solo ship surely?
Except... The one thing CCP didnt realise was... wait for it....
A GROUP OF PEOPLE WERE ALREADY SUPERIOR TO A SOLO PLAYER.
Yep its been scientifically proven and there is ample evidence to suggest that undocking a lone ship in 2003-2004 into a fleet of like ships could and many times did end up unpleasantly for the lone ship.
Sc**** that chin off that floor. I speak the truth.
Why do you think they made the changes to groups such that single players trained in the skills dont get bonuses but groups do. And additionally why did groups which already were existing in large blobs need additional reasons to get into large blobs? Does CCP really hate people who solo? And do you think soloers have no place in EvE?
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:37:00 -
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oh?
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:38:00 -
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I believe soloers who just freakin' run missions in the newb corps have no place in EVE. Hate that.
But solo PVP, that's a different story. Love it and get what you're saying, however - it's been said before. And more succinctly. |
Haakelen
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:40:00 -
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Are you saying that leadership bonuses and warfare links should work for a single person in a fleet, and repair drones and logistics modules should be able to be used on yourself? Or are you saying they should be removed?
I don't really think either of those is a good idea. Perhaps you were more talking about the state of solo PvP in Eve, which is undeniably screwed at the moment. In which case I agree with the sentiment, if not the presentation. |
Trader20
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:43:00 -
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Solution:
Step 1: Buy a falcon
Step 2: Permajam every ship in blob
Step 3: ???????
Step 4: Profit |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:43:00 -
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Are you referring to leadership bonuses & gang mods?
If so, I suggest you try applying them to a large group before you complain about them. It is very, very difficult to do so consistently & reliably. Virtually impossible, in fact. |
Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Malcanis
Are you referring to leadership bonuses & gang mods?
If so, I suggest you try applying them to a large group before you complain about them. It is very, very difficult to do so consistently & reliably. Virtually impossible, in fact.
Hence why small gang warfare will always be my lover. |
Ranik Sandaris
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:46:00 -
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i remember, back when eve first came out. it said on the back "make friends or die" or something along those lines. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
Originally by: Malcanis
Are you referring to leadership bonuses & gang mods?
If so, I suggest you try applying them to a large group before you complain about them. It is very, very difficult to do so consistently & reliably. Virtually impossible, in fact.
Hence why small gang warfare will always be my lover.
I prefer small gang myself, but, like laundry, sometimes fleetwork is a chore that must be faced. |
Ticondrius
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:02:00 -
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I don't get the OP's whine. I thought this was an MMO? |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Vaal Erit on 08/01/2009 12:02:13
You are scapegoating leadership skills, mindlinks and gangmods to be the reason why blobs are bad? Good lord, you are clueless. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:03:00 -
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It would be neat if you did not have to log in an alt to sit there so you can use your leadership and gang mods solo. |
Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 08/01/2009 12:21:08
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 08/01/2009 12:20:48
Originally by: Ticondrius
I don't get the OP's whine. I thought this was an MMO?
MMO != Must Blob. Typical misconception.
You take all your friends to work with you? Have your mates wipe your ass? How many people sit in your drivers seat when you drive your car?
We live in a massively multiplayer world. That doesnt mean we HAVE to do everything in the company of others. What it means is we have a choice. If we do get together generally we are able to make things bigger and better and faster then those who do it alone.
But not always.
I think what your really saying is your an online communist? Eh?
CCP took away our choice, to buff an already overpowered entity (the group) against a underpowered entity (the soloer).
For what reason?
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:24:00 -
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To get you to go back to playing Freelancer?
(Can I have your stuff?)
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MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
Bumbum George
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
MMO != Must Blob. Typical misconception.
No, MMO = bonuses for people who gang up! Look aroud the MMO market, you'll see what I mean.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
We live in a massively multiplayer world. That doesnt mean we HAVE to do everything in the company of others.
No, it means doing stuff in the company of other will give you certain advantages, some of them being specific bonuses.
Get over it...
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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:31:00 -
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Consider the following:
1 person having trained for 30 months gets a bonus applied to themselves out of group.
vs
1 person having trained for 30 months gets a bonus applied to themselves in a group
1 person having not trained at all gets the bonus applied to the above in a group
In both examples group 2 is still stronger even though both groups (a group of 1 is still a group)get respective bonuses applied. The second group still have 2 people (2 > 1) and 2 x the bonus of group 1.
Person 1 has repair drones repair his own ship.
vs
Person 1 has repair drones repair his own ship.
Person 2 has repair drones repair his own ship.
Group 2 is still superior even though group 1 repairs his own ship with drones. Not only does group 2 have 2 times repair drone strength they also have the natural numeralogical advantage.
If you cant see how this is messed up then you should log off and do some extra homework. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:34:00 -
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Maybe you should learn game mechanics such as drones not being able to repair yourself before commenting on the balance of said game mechanics.
As I said before, you are clueless. Get a clue, before you post. |
Haakelen
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
stuff
Ah. So logistics and teamwork is the new whine?  |
Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 08/01/2009 12:46:04
Originally by: Bumbum George
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
MMO != Must Blob. Typical misconception.
No, MMO = bonuses for people who gang up! Look aroud the MMO market, you'll see what I mean.
Engage your brain. Your saying what Im already saying.
Compare Wow vs EvE:
Warrior + Priest = A high HP damage dealing healing entity. Your bonus is that you get to take damage and heal damage. The bonus comes from the inherent talents spells skills of the 2 classes. These are natural bonuses.
EvE
Inty + Command Ship = high HP fast locking damage dealing tackling entity.
EvE with Group Bonuses (lock time)
Inty + HAC = A high HP extremely fast locking damage dealing tackling entity.
The bonus this group is getting is not coming from better mods or better skills learned or better tactics its coming from a made up variable that can only ever be applied to a unit that is already superior by becoming a unit. Its poor overkill.
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Maybe you should learn game mechanics such as drones not being able to repair yourself before commenting on the balance of said game mechanics.
As I said before, you are clueless. Get a clue, before you post.
Lol the irony. Drones not repairing self is exactly what this post is about. That was an example of IF drones were to repair self. |
Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:45:00 -
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Comparing WOW and EvE this way will help alot here. /gets popcorn. |
Haakelen
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
The bonus this group is getting is not coming from better mods or better skills learned or better tactics its coming from a made up variable that can only ever be applied to a unit that is already superior by becoming a unit. Its poor overkill.
But it is coming from better skills and tactics. Leadership skills. And bringing more than just gank and tackle.
Leadership skills are a good thing, anyway. They help bloodlines with highish charisma not completely suck, and it's a timesink/crosstraining preventer. People who spend time in leadership skills don't do another racial cruiser 5 and weapon spec, which stems FOTMing a bit. |
Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:51:00 -
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I think the lack of reading comprehension (possibly indicating parental thalidimide usage) in this thread is going to be a big enough barrier to any sort of rational conversation that comparing EvE to WoW is gonna be a non-issue anyway.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:55:00 -
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keywords: blob, group, gang etc
what your missing is vital -> TEAMWORK.
People enjoy teamwork and the rewards gained from being organised.
mmorpg does not give bonuses to soloers because its not a solo game  |
Doshia
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:56:00 -
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Its this sort of attitude that was partly responcible for killing SWG.
You just have to learn to live with you being not as good as many. |
Letrange
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:01:00 -
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Dear OP,
MMOs come in two flavors. Those that encourage soloing and those that don't. WoW encourages soloing. FFXI doesn't. EVE doesn't. Just because you prefer to solo does not mean that the game you are playing was designed like that. What you think is a wrong turn was actually a concrete design decision. If you have your heart set on a solo friendly space MMO, maybe SWG or the upcoming Jumpgate are more your flavor.
Besides, did you ever stop to think that the gang bonuses were actually meant to help out in Fleet vs Fleet warfare?
As for the Blob whine:
BLOB: any number of enemy ships when the loosing side was outnumbered and due to operational incompetence got killed. I have seen 5 pilots called a blob. If you are whining about blobs in EVE you are really whining about your own lack of skill.
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Bumbum George
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the lack of reading comprehension (possibly indicating parental thalidimide usage) in this thread is going to be a big enough barrier to any sort of rational conversation that comparing EvE to WoW is gonna be a non-issue anyway.
I'm going to give this reading comprehension a shot, reading between the lines that is:
You've trained leadership skills but have no friends.
You want the game mechanics to be changed (and screwed up) to support your play stile instead of getting some friends.
You announce your desire publicly to let anyone know you have no friends and don't intend getting some.
Now that I've thought about it, this thread has a valuable point, I fully endorse the OPs friendlessness and the sought changes of game mechanic!
Make EVE a MSORPG (Massively Soloplayer Online Roleplaying Game) and do it NOW!!!
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Savage Roar
AMMO INC
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Person 1 has repair drones repair his own ship.
have you even PLAYED eve? the fact that you seem to think you can put your rep drones on yourself would suggest you haven't.
and yes, this is my sig. IBTL Originally by: CCP Mitnal
If I ever need an alligator at 3am, I now know where to find one!
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Squably
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:29:00 -
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This gonna be the NAG FOTM?
Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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FarosWarrior
Amarr
Sonnema
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:21:00 -
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GTFO of a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game if you want to play it solo and whine if you have no friends. now give me tour stuff and leave |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 08/01/2009 16:54:17
/me feels sorry for Infinity Ziona as so many seem incapable of understanding what he is trying to communicate
I agree with the OP btw 
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