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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:40:00 -
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Its been a while since the last dev blog (CCP  ) so i don't know what sort of suprises are in store for us, but i dont know about you guys but these are my gripes.
T3, I see this causing a lot of balance issues, and taking eve from the strategic rock paper scissors formula, and changing it to rock paper wombat tsunami artichoke. (randomness) but whatever.
my bigger issues is, I would much rather have seen fixes to current issues in eve liiiike:
-Stealth bombers
-revamping T1 frigs
-horrid pos warfare
-AFs missing 4th bonus
-UI
-poor poor minmatar
-more tweaking in speed fixs
-solo combat
-low sec incentives
-ways to discourage blobs
-discouraging 'cap ships online'
-ewar frigs (die too easily, need massive sig reduction)
-falcons :P (yes can fly them)
-rocekts!!! (they fail)
-Artillery (poor minmatar)
-isk inflation
-insurance (needs less payout or higher premium)
-ways to encourage more combat that NOT at gates or stations
-cloaking? (1-2 hour idle disconnect is all we need)
-destroyers
-interictors (die WAY too easily, need speed boost, or sig reduction)
-fix warp ACCELERATION! in a 1 au warp, a inty and a BS will arrive at destination at same time, intys and frigs would kick so much more arse if their warps accelerated faster.
-Hotkey intergration! for example. multiple 'orbit at x range' buttons
-Skill changes without having to log in (god i hate that)
-logout to character select
-docking aggro timers (if you fired back, you shouldnt be able to redock untill noones firing at you, hell i wouldnt let you in my docking bay door if theres missile stailing your arse
- poor poor minmatar :P
-Pilgrim? (not as bad nowadays, but i think everyone still prefers to have range to neut/nos strength)
flame on. just thought i would speak my mind.
and CCP. please communicate with your customers more often through devblogs. i dont know about the rest of you, but i neglected. i need a hug
Andy
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreya
my bigger issues is, I would much rather have seen fixes to current issues in eve liiiike:
At this point I would like to point out the keywords that are in bold and would like to point out that this is not about you.
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Stupidity is universal.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:43:00 -
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why not making everything at the same time?
throwing more people at one issue won't always solve the issue faster, you know?
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Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:43:00 -
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Metal Scraps
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:47:00 -
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Desire 1: Eating a cheeseburger.
Desire 2: Thinking about boobies.
1 is good.
2 is good.
1 & 2 simultaniously is great.
............
Desire 1: Fixing problems
Desire 2: Expanding the game.
....see where I'm going, here?
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Lumy
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:50:00 -
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I'm pretty sure THERE MUST BE a whine you forgot to mention...
...and got one: T2 short range ammo whine
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:54:00 -
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Good points:
Incentives in losec
Logout to character select
Cloak idling disconnect
POS grinding
Encouraging non-gate & station combat (only problem is, this isn't a simple issue)
Ill-considered points:
Skill change without login (I'd rather like it aswell, but it would make skill queue macroing possible)
Discouraging blobs... since most people seem to think a blob is any group of ships larger than the group that THEY'RE in.
Docking agro timers - discourage carebears from engaging enough as it is.
As for the other points, most are balance issues... these wax and wane over time - give it a few years and everyone will be crying that minmatar is too strong!
Different warp acceleration might work, but its a can of worms.
I think they're working on a brand new UI at the moment.
Insurance wise, I hope they get rid of it, and replace it with a more in depth player-driven insurance system in contracts. I think they're planning something like this anyway (can anyone confirm?).
And I agree, I'd love to see more dev blogging, however I understand that when a dev is blogging he's not GETTING THE HELL ON WITH HIS JOB! Ultimately, I'd prefer to HAVE all the cool stuff, rather than read about it! =D
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Caiman Graystock
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:56:00 -
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People like new stuff. It's true in life, it's true in game.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:57:00 -
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Has anyone noticed yet that the only people ever disatsfied with something are Caldari? Damps? Caldari whiners. Speed? caldari whiners. Missiles? Caldari whiners. I think the only thing they didn't whine about were the issues with webs and blasters. Now I wonder why?
The caldari whiners will never be satisfied untill the falcon can perma-jam ships by landing in the same grid, the cerb can tank a double doomsday, and the raven can beat a megathron in a solo duel by default.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:01:00 -
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Just a few thoughts.
-Stealth bombers------Being looked into.
-horrid pos warfare------Being looked into. Possible changes are Pos on Planets give sov.
-AFs missing 4th bonus-----Used to have "fake" resistance bonus. Doubtful any changes will come.
-UI--------------------------agreed, I'm sick of trying to toggle certain mods to overheat, just to end up turning them off...
-solo combat-----------I go out solo...nothing has stopped me before.
-low sec incentives---------agreed. needs more reason to get people to fill it back up
-ways to discourage blobs----------sadly nothing will ever bring about an end of blobs...
-discouraging 'cap ships online'----------------------------how? Take away the skillbooks? Not likely to happen.
-ewar frigs (die too easily, need massive sig reduction)---- Meant to fly in gangs, and perform great when flown by capable pilot.
-falcons :P (yes can fly them)---Though I feel Falcons are fine as is...I agree that they can be really annoying as falcon alts.
-rocekts!!! (they fail)-----just need a little more damage tbh
-insurance (needs less payout or higher premium)----Don't see any reason for this
-ways to encourage more combat that NOT at gates or stations----not likely to happen, areas of interrest such as stations, pos's, and safespots, and chokepoints such as gates will always be premier fighting areas.
-cloaking? (1-2 hour idle disconnect is all we need)---agreed something should be done, but this isn't the answer.
-destroyers----need reduced sig and slight HP boost
-fix warp ACCELERATION! in a 1 au warp, a inty and a BS will arrive at destination at same time, intys and frigs would kick so much more arse if their warps accelerated faster.----is that with gang warping? or warping as individuals?
-Skill changes without having to log in (god i hate that)---unfortunately unlikely to happen
-logout to character select---------yes yes yes yes
-docking aggro timers (if you fired back, you shouldnt be able to redock untill noones firing at you, hell i wouldnt let you in my docking bay door if theres missile stailing your arse----although I agree to an extent that docking games suck, this would have too many side effects
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:03:00 -
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stealth bombers were always terrible, doubt anything will fix that.
t1 frigs are fine as far as I know, or would you like to give an example?
pos warfare blows, if you have a suggestion there is a features and ideas forum section.
af's sure we can give them that 4th bonus, but hardly think adding that would have any change on all the giant things comming
UI I think they said they were working on it, again features and ideas forum section go there with your ideas
few small tweeks and minmatar would be great, more than a few and it will be lets all go train minmatar fotm...
more tweaking to speed fixes, again could you give some ideas on that?
solo combat......  it is an mmo there should be no need for solo combat. arrange a 1v1 or something if you really want it.
as for lowsec there are plenty of incentives, people are just stupid/avoid risk. more and you will get the 0.0 alliances to just come ***** lowsec.
discourage blobs... hard to do that one.
hard to discourage cap ships online too.
ewar frigs, well it is still a frig, it will go down easy regardless.
falcons, again if you have any suggestions
more blah blah I can't really care to comment on.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Has anyone noticed yet that the only people ever disatsfied with something are Caldari? Damps? Caldari whiners. Speed? caldari whiners. Missiles? Caldari whiners. I think the only thing they didn't whine about were the issues with webs and blasters. Now I wonder why?
The caldari whiners will never be satisfied untill the falcon can perma-jam ships by landing in the same grid, the cerb can tank a double doomsday, and the raven can beat a megathron in a solo duel by default.
naw, the caldari warfare blob will be crying they got owned by the mimatar, because all they had were blackbirds and griffins when the mimatar brought some falcons 
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Has anyone noticed yet that the only people ever disatsfied with something are Caldari? Damps? Caldari whiners. Speed? caldari whiners. Missiles? Caldari whiners. I think the only thing they didn't whine about were the issues with webs and blasters. Now I wonder why?
The caldari whiners will never be satisfied untill the falcon can perma-jam ships by landing in the same grid, the cerb can tank a double doomsday, and the raven can beat a megathron in a solo duel by default.
You know...I only see 3 things in the OP that reflect Caldari...Most of what he's stated has something to do with Minmatarr...and just general issues. Stereotyping is bad mkay? (That is if you're directly referring to the OP, if not then ignore me )
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TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:08:00 -
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LOGOFFSKI
LOGOFFSKI
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:15:00 -
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Agree with everything Karrade Krise said, except this;
Originally by: Karrade Krise
-cloaking? (1-2 hour idle disconnect is all we need)---agreed something should be done, but this isn't the answer.
No. Permacloaking, as annoying as it can be, especially on ninjaratting Ravens or whatnot, is still not a problem. There's alot of reasons why it's a perfectly viable mechanic as it is today;
- Cloaks gimp your ship stats just by fitting the module.
- There's a whole line of ships that are designed to use cloaks, if there's a nerf to cloaks it damn well better not affect those ships, at all.
- Black Ops battleships are pretty poor as it is, they do fill a role in skirmish warfare, a nerf to cloak is an unwarranted nerf to Black Ops.
- A cloaked ship in your system is doing just the same as armies do in real life as well. Spy. Disrupt. Kill morale. Ruin logistics. It is a perfectly viable mechanic.
- Very few ships can warp while cloaked, and those that can are really squishy.
- Supercaps without cloaks would be horrible. They're already easy to tackle and kill as it is today, with HICs and so many cap-pilots available.
- Travelling capitals shouldn't be forced to go in packs (that'd likely force them to have to wait! for the regular ships to catch up) or fly to stations. Having the cyno beacon in space for everyone to warp to is a weakness already. A quick warp off the beacon and cloak up is something that shouldn't be taken away from them.
Just some things already there, but cloaking isn't an issue, it's that simple. Players being stupid, not checking intel/scouting and being unable to set up traps/catch them when they decloak, is the issue.  |
Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 09/01/2009 00:20:24
Originally by: Battleclash
At this point I would like to point out the keywords that are in bold and would like to point out that this is not about you.
At this point I would like to point out the keyword in bold and would like to point out that this is not about you.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Battleclash
At this point I would like to point out the keywords that are in bold and [I] would like to point out that this is not about you.
At this point I would like to point out the keywords that are in bold and would like to point out that this is not about you.
The plot thickens!
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Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:24:00 -
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Oh yeah, you forgot blasters on your list. And stealth bombers ROCK. Learn to use them, tbh.
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ghard1
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: ghard1 on 09/01/2009 00:43:39
Edited by: ghard1 on 09/01/2009 00:42:49
Edited by: ghard1 on 09/01/2009 00:42:24
-Stealth bombers (bit rubbish and a bit expensive for there limited use, bombs are to expensive to practicaly carry incase you get in a fight)
-revamping T1 frigs (not needed they work well overall)
-horrid pos warfare (semi agree its boring waiting for combat for 5 hours to spend 20 mins fighting but thats something that players need to fix)
-AFs missing 4th bonus ( dont use AF so no comment)
-UI ( i like it)
-poor poor minmatar 9dont play minmatar but as a galente i am sympathetic to there plight)
-more tweaking in speed fixs ( seams ok to me)
-solo combat (solo PVP? dont care gang pvp is were i play)
-low sec incentives ( agreed 0.0 incentives are fine low sec is rubbish the ore is worth less than empire and your guaranteed to be harassed by pirates/bored pvp characters)
-ways to discourage blobs ( i like mr blobby if you want to deblob a zone bring a bigger blob)
-discouraging 'cap ships online' ( i like cap ships they need to introduce a bigger range of combat capital's that the ordinary player can fly something like carriers/dreadnaughts in price/skill tearms but with a diferent role in combat more choice is good)
-ewar frigs (die too easily, need massive sig reduction)(agree)
-falcons :P (yes can fly them) (disagreed they die easily especialy when they lag)
-rocekts!!! (they fail) (agreed missile nerf went to far)
-Artillery (poor minmatar) (sympathetic agian but dont use them)
-isk inflation ( every econemy in every online game encounters inflation the only way to deal with it is introduce more expensive wasy for rich characters to lose there cash ie bigger ships etc)
-insurance (needs less payout or higher premium) (needs removal of insurance payed for ships destroyed by concord)
-ways to encourage more combat that NOT at gates or stations (disagreed)
-cloaking? (1-2 hour idle disconnect is all we need) (disagreed)
-destroyers (dont know dont use them)
-interictors (die WAY too easily, need speed boost, or sig reduction)(pass dont use them)
-fix warp ACCELERATION! in a 1 au warp, a inty and a BS will arrive at destination at same time, intys and frigs would kick so much more arse if their warps accelerated faster. (disagreed)
-Hotkey intergration! for example. multiple 'orbit at x range' buttons (agreed)
-Skill changes without having to log in (god i hate that) (disagred time your skills better i have never missed out on training cause i didnt get home in time)
-logout to character select (agreed)
-docking aggro timers (if you fired back, you shouldnt be able to redock untill noones firing at you, hell i wouldnt let you in my docking bay door if theres missile stailing your arse ( i tohught this was already in game?)
- poor poor minmatar :P (sympathetic)
-Pilgrim? (not as bad nowadays, but i think everyone still prefers to have range to neut/nos strength) (pass dont use it)
just my opinion (stupid spelling mistakes)
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DaDutchDude
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Desire 1: Eating a cheeseburger.
Desire 2: Thinking about boobies.
1 is good.
2 is good.
1 & 2 simultaniously is great.
............
Desire 1: Fixing problems
Desire 2: Expanding the game.
....see where I'm going, here?
TBH .... this ^^
PS: It will be dealt with though ... ;) |
Deimi
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Posted - 2009.01.09 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
T3, I see this causing a lot of balance issues, and taking eve from the strategic rock paper scissors formula, and changing it to rock paper wombat tsunami artichoke. (randomness) but whatever.
my bigger issues is, I would much rather have seen fixes to current issues in eve liiiike:
-Stealth bombers
-revamping T1 frigs
-horrid pos warfare
-AFs missing 4th bonus
-UI
-poor poor minmatar
-more tweaking in speed fixs
-solo combat
-low sec incentives
-ways to discourage blobs
-discouraging 'cap ships online'
-ewar frigs (die too easily, need massive sig reduction)
-falcons :P (yes can fly them)
-rocekts!!! (they fail)
-Artillery (poor minmatar)
-isk inflation
-insurance (needs less payout or higher premium)
-ways to encourage more combat that NOT at gates or stations
-cloaking? (1-2 hour idle disconnect is all we need)
-destroyers
-interictors (die WAY too easily, need speed boost, or sig reduction)
-fix warp ACCELERATION! in a 1 au warp, a inty and a BS will arrive at destination at same time, intys and frigs would kick so much more arse if their warps accelerated faster.
-Hotkey intergration! for example. multiple 'orbit at x range' buttons
-Skill changes without having to log in (god i hate that)
-logout to character select
-docking aggro timers (if you fired back, you shouldnt be able to redock untill noones firing at you, hell i wouldnt let you in my docking bay door if theres missile stailing your arse
- poor poor minmatar :P
-Pilgrim? (not as bad nowadays, but i think everyone still prefers to have range to neut/nos strength)
Andy
Interesting post, you have thought thought trough and addressed most of the issues so let me just make some comments.
Stealthbombers: Yes agreed. To mention one, and there been other posts about the cruise missile wielding Amarr Purifier. After the missile gimp this ship make no sense at all and need a rewamp.
Revamping T1 frigs: Dont agree, their stats have been adjusted and in my view are as balanced as we could ask for. Additional tampering could make the cure worse than the problem.
Frigates are after all beginner ships and should not be some kind of superweapons, some can still be tweaked into something quite significant, such as the Kestrel when it is used in groups.
Minmatar & Artillery (poor minmatar): You mentioned Minmatar twice and once without specifying why. So I put those together, and agreed they need a slight, very slight adjustment to their weapons.
Insurance (needs less payout or higher premium): Sorry, no change, keep as it is thank you.
Cloaking? (1-2 hour idle disconnect is all we need): Cloaking need to be adressed yes, and I already have mentioned the need to do something about cloaking. I am not all certain about idle disconnect.
I still think my own suggestion has merit. And that was that there be introduced some kind of counter technology, similar to scanning, slow but working for those who needed to find the cloaked ship.
Interictors (die WAY too easily, need speed boost, or sig reduction): Agreed, this class is supposed to be fast, so they need a bit of love.
Hotkey intergration!: I think this could be a good idea. Yet it might not come from CCP, I hope some third part programmer could make some nifty plugin for our game.
Skill changes without having to log in (god i hate that): This have been suggested before, that we should be able to do so from a webpage. Good for those that would like to access the game from lets say work without having the game client installed, which could be problematic to get the sysop at work to accept even less a favourite for the super.
The computer we have at our workplace cant in many cases run Eve either, the one I got are certainly not capable mine isnt. But it can run webpages, so it would be neat indeed.
Good luck Andreya advocating this further. :)
Is it a new forum rule. That for everyone posting something you don't agree on. You should accuse them of being a troll? ;) |
TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.09 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Desire 1: Eating a cheeseburger.
Desire 2: Thinking about boobies.
1 is good.
2 is good.
1 & 2 simultaniously is great.
............
Desire 1: Fixing problems
Desire 2: Expanding the game.
....see where I'm going, here?
This.
OP has valid problems in game though, but personally I welcome expansion changes. Most people would leave if CCP did nothing but balance the game. |
rValdez5987
Amarr
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
blahblahblah
Eve isnt broken, your brain is. |
Vincent Death
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.09 01:13:00 -
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Hi, I think CCP should fix Frigates. I will provide them with no information on what I believe is broken with Frigates, nor offer suggestions on how they can be improved. I expect CCP to take my complaint seriously and carry out changes in the next patch that EXACTLY meet the demands that I have clearly stated inside my own mind.
If CCP cannot meet this simple request, then EvE is dying.
For real this time.
Probably. |
Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.09 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
Its been a while since the last dev blog (CCP ) so i don't know what sort of suprises are in store for us, but i dont know about you guys but these are my gripes.
T3, I see this causing a lot of balance issues, and taking eve from the strategic rock paper scissors formula, and changing it to rock paper wombat tsunami artichoke. (randomness) but whatever.
my bigger issues is, I would much rather have seen fixes to current issues in eve liiiike:
<snip>
flame on. just thought i would speak my mind.
and CCP. please communicate with your customers more often through devblogs. i dont know about the rest of you, but i neglected. i need a hug
Andy
Because CCP have decided (along with most of us who are forced to listen to whiney threads like this...) that everything you have listed is not a Bug, an exploit or a problem. Its something you personally cant deal with and wish was in the game cause it makes your life easier - like not having to develop alternate tactics than the same old boring PvP tactics you always use.
Grow or die - and then give me your stuff... |
Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2009.01.09 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen
Because CCP have decided (along with most of us who are forced to listen to whiney threads like this...) that everything you have listed is not a Bug, an exploit or a problem. Its something you personally cant deal with and wish was in the game cause it makes your life easier - like not having to develop alternate tactics than the same old boring PvP tactics you always use.
Grow or die - and then give me your stuff...
first off you little punk, i never forced you to read this, and would have much prefferred something productive instead of the jnk that came out of your mouth (or typed whatever)
i never stated that any of these were bugs, exploits... maybe you should read what the OP has to say before making a **** of yourself.
my old boring tactics eh? wow,, youve never seen me pvp before, so maybe once again, shut the F up.
or sorry should i join you in the o so exciting blob warfare.
****er
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2009.01.09 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Andreya
blahblahblah
Eve isnt broken, your brain is.
did i say it was ? maybe you should read what i posted before posting 'blah blah blah'
thanks for a free bump tho
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Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.01.09 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
Originally by: Darkeen
Because CCP have decided (along with most of us who are forced to listen to whiney threads like this...) that everything you have listed is not a Bug, an exploit or a problem. Its something you personally cant deal with and wish was in the game cause it makes your life easier - like not having to develop alternate tactics than the same old boring PvP tactics you always use.
Grow or die - and then give me your stuff...
first off you little punk, i never forced you to read this, and would have much prefferred something productive instead of the jnk that came out of your mouth (or typed whatever)
i never stated that any of these were bugs, exploits... maybe you should read what the OP has to say before making a **** of yourself.
my old boring tactics eh? wow,, youve never seen me pvp before, so maybe once again, shut the F up.
or sorry should i join you in the o so exciting blob warfare.
****er
In before mod cleanage.
srsly calm down.
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Epideme
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Posted - 2009.01.09 04:10:00 -
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The thing I love most about these threads is that before the last patch the calls were "no new content, fix teh bugs"...so they release a patch aimed more at bug fixes and improvements and the call changes to "where is the content, this is not an expantion just a patch"
TBH STFU 
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Diek Ran
Amarr
Autonums
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Posted - 2009.01.09 04:12:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Andreya
-UI
... items not updating properly
... drones not updating properly
... docking at stations not working properly
... everything behaving kinda quirky
It just annoys the crap out of me. For years now. w0w looks much better for that matter.
Tech II UI FTW - pleeez
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