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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2009.01.09 12:09:00 -
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Apart ftom the price difference is there much point to the covetor.
It takes pretty much the same amount of time to train for a hulk, so if they have the isk people will go strait for the hulk, which as most people have a second toon then they probably will.
I think that the training time for a covetor should be reduced so that they are more of a stepping stone then just something for people with no isk.
Even just reducing the astro lv5 skill to a lv4 would be good enough.
p.s i already have a hulk |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.09 17:18:00 -
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The Covetor's skill requirement was set up when Exhumers didn't exist, and it was fine in the era when they cost half a billion. Nowadays, it's a bit of a joke. Either give the Covetor an advantage over the Hulk(probably a bad idea), or drop the skill reqs a bit. Like you say, Astrogeology 4 is probably about right. |
Athre
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.01.09 17:22:00 -
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.09 17:23:00 -
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This seems like a good idea! |
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:10:00 -
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Yes. |
galphi
Unitary Senate
Unitary Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:54:00 -
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Makes perfect sense, this should definitely happen.
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Axel Vindislaga
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Posted - 2009.01.10 05:15:00 -
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I am currently between Retriever and Hulk...and have to say that the cost AND the skills present a problem for me. But it only seems right that the skills differences are on par with the price differences even though I know nothing about the expense of manufacturing either vessel. The astrogeology train is like a brick wall to me at the moment I have other more important skills training. Not everyone who uses a Retriever is a hell bent miner. It is a useful tool that comes almost as a bonus to the industrialist.
I thought the opinion of a player currently facing these questions would be useful to the discussion... TBO the Covetor does not factor into my thinking. There is what I can use and there is the HULK. Also the Astrogeology V train is far more interesting to me because of the Deep Core Mining it allows which is useless to barges but interests me.
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thesonarnet
0ccam's Razor
UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.10 07:59:00 -
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Ivena Amethyst
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Posted - 2009.01.10 08:17:00 -
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the covetor skill req is wrong imo
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:02:00 -
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Agreed! Currently the canon is to train for Retriever, then go straight to Hulk since there's only a day or so training over flying a Covetor.
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.10 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 10/01/2009 17:16:41
Honestly the training times for a covetor should be shorter...... if you where to nudge that ship a little further back on the skill tree and widen the gap between hulk and covetor... it would make more sense.
The only reason I'm going to park myself on the Covetor is due to cost and the fact that tech 2 ships usually are a little expensive to replace... and most people don't bother insuring them. |
Gone'Postal
Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2009.01.10 19:23:00 -
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Agreed.
Nice idea.
Got Mine?
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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2009.01.11 13:50:00 -
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didnt support own topic, but 100% vote rate so far :) |
Augustus Thorn
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Posted - 2009.01.12 12:59:00 -
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yup
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nathice douglen
Assisted Homicide
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:00:00 -
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do it ccp
Muhahahaha |
HONKSTER
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:01:00 -
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and another vote
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Piitaq
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2009.01.12 13:22:00 -
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Also the tier 1 mining barge is used more or less by no one, why not give that a purpose also?
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UglyMoFo Trader
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:17:00 -
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Minerva Seraph
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:32:00 -
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The problem I have with this is that it would greatly affect the Tritanium supply in empire space.
The fact is that Tritanium prices have been steadily rising ever since Shuttles were unseeded on the market, causing the price cap to be effectively removed. This is a more accurate reflection of real-world economics; in order to make this viable, I think a blanket nerf to the refine rates of all ores should be put into effect - perhaps in a range of between 15% to 25%. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 13/01/2009 22:20:58
 Originally by: Minerva Seraph
The problem I have with this is that it would greatly affect the Tritanium supply in empire space.
The fact is that Tritanium prices have been steadily rising ever since Shuttles were unseeded on the market, causing the price cap to be effectively removed. This is a more accurate reflection of real-world economics; in order to make this viable, I think a blanket nerf to the refine rates of all ores should be put into effect - perhaps in a range of between 15% to 25%.
What does this have to do with the topic?
Seriously.... this is about training times between the covetor and the hulk... the Covetor is a waste of time as most would skip over it.
We are trying to find a way to make it useful again during the wait time between the 2 ships.
this has nothing to do with the bloody market... hell it probially helps by increasing the sales for the Covetor.
If anything the prices are likely due to macro miners... not the ship.
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Annatar
The Galactic Empire
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:51:00 -
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sounds good.
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Sir Nimmo
Gun Metal Priests
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Posted - 2009.01.14 01:38:00 -
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I agree with this, the only reason I stuck with the Covetor for so long is because at the time, I saw mining as a temporary hobby to pass some time whilst training for other things on my main account. |
JAK480
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:03:00 -
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Elena Morin'staal
Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:07:00 -
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Agreed - I currently use a retriever, but have not bothered going higher as I am mainly combat.
Should the covetor be reduced however, I'd get one of them most likely, and then probably go for a hulk as well.
As it is, its too long to train for, and I might as well go the whole hog and get a hulk.
None of the people in my corp bother with the covetor, they are all going straight to hulk. |
StarStryder
Zero-Hour
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:11:00 -
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Makes sense to me. |
Hans Arienth
Lightspeed Logistics
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:58:00 -
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Yup a slight drop in Covetor skill requirements should do the trick. |
Mos7Wan7ed
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:26:00 -
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Astrogeology IV makes the most scene, for both the skill's definition and the train time it takes.
Astrogeology is a specialty skill that a t2 ship would need.. not necessarily a t1.
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Irida Mershkov
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 00:38:00 -
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I would have thought more use would come out of it if you made it Mining Barge IV, and Astrogelogy(sp?) V, so you get a good 25 days out of it instead of the two weeks (or so) of Astro V. But that's just me. Either way it's good.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
The 13th Gallentean Armed Response
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Posted - 2009.01.15 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 15/01/2009 02:45:34
Originally by: Minerva Seraph
The problem I have with this is that it would greatly affect the Tritanium supply in empire space.
The fact is that Tritanium prices have been steadily rising ever since Shuttles were unseeded on the market, causing the price cap to be effectively removed. This is a more accurate reflection of real-world economics; in order to make this viable, I think a blanket nerf to the refine rates of all ores should be put into effect - perhaps in a range of between 15% to 25%.
Do you really think that trit prices going up have anything to do with shuttles? Do you know there is a new ship called Orca and that people started to pile up massive ammounts of trit as soon as it was announced that the Orca is coming (since you always need a **** load of trit to build anything big)?
The second part (nerfing the refine rates) is obvious troll so I won't bother commenting it at all.
As for the topic, I fully support the OP's idea. My ship progression was Retriever -> Hulk and I still can't see why would someone bother with Covetor in between.
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Nicoli Malthus
The First Somerset Strikers
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Posted - 2009.01.15 17:21:00 -
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This has been discussed many times before in other forums, and yet CCP has never changed it.
It should be changed.
I think they only reason they haven't changed it "yet" is that they were/are trying to hamper macro'ers. |
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