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Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:59:00 - [31] done some digging: Quote: The Directive however also introduces a new special simplified scheme whereby non-EU suppliers who are affected by its provisions may choose to register with a single VAT authority in a Member State of their choice. Quote: Belgium 21% Czech Republic 19% Denmark 25% Germany 16% Estonia 18% Greece 18% Spain 16% France 19,6% Ireland 21% Italy 20% Cyprus 15% Latvia 18% Lithuania 18% Luxembourg 15% Hungary 25% Malta 18% Netherlands 19% Austria 20% Poland 22% Portugal 19% Slovenia 20% Slovak Republic 19% Finland 22% Sweden 25% United-Kingdom 17,5% So, we are paying the UK vat of 17.5%. Why are we paying 20%?
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 15:06:26 Also: http://europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/taxation/ecommerce/vat_en.htm btw this is not a bash/flame CCP thread, I would just like to know.
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:59:00 - [33] done some digging: Quote: The Directive however also introduces a new special simplified scheme whereby non-EU suppliers who are affected by its provisions may choose to register with a single VAT authority in a Member State of their choice. Quote: Belgium 21% Czech Republic 19% Denmark 25% Germany 16% Estonia 18% Greece 18% Spain 16% France 19,6% Ireland 21% Italy 20% Cyprus 15% Latvia 18% Lithuania 18% Luxembourg 15% Hungary 25% Malta 18% Netherlands 19% Austria 20% Poland 22% Portugal 19% Slovenia 20% Slovak Republic 19% Finland 22% Sweden 25% United-Kingdom 17,5% So, we are paying the UK vat of 17.5%. Why are we paying 20%?
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 14:59:00 - [34] Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 15:06:26 Also: http://europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/taxation/ecommerce/vat_en.htm btw this is not a bash/flame CCP thread, I would just like to know.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.07.25 15:21:00 - [35] This was done to deat hin the blog that was released on the matter. iirc mine was the final comment on the subject, which was totally ignored, and raised the exact same discrepancy as that which is being discussed here.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.07.25 15:21:00 - [36] This was done to deat hin the blog that was released on the matter. iirc mine was the final comment on the subject, which was totally ignored, and raised the exact same discrepancy as that which is being discussed here.
EagleFour	Posted - 2004.07.25 15:26:00 - [37] Because all your base are belong to us americans! you cannot survive make your time. One day we shall mutate into the klingon empire! wait - there poor grrrr um hmmm JOBS - Got Moin?
EagleFour	Posted - 2004.07.25 15:26:00 - [38] Because all your base are belong to us americans! you cannot survive make your time. One day we shall mutate into the klingon empire! wait - there poor grrrr um hmmm JOBS - Got Moin?
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 15:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Dianabolic This was done to deat hin the blog that was released on the matter. iirc mine was the final comment on the subject, which was totally ignored, and raised the exact same discrepancy as that which is being discussed here. Ya see, if it's out of ignorance of the changing exchange rates, that is one thing. If it's deliberate ignorance, then that is another(not to mention unlawful)
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 15:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Dianabolic This was done to deat hin the blog that was released on the matter. iirc mine was the final comment on the subject, which was totally ignored, and raised the exact same discrepancy as that which is being discussed here. Ya see, if it's out of ignorance of the changing exchange rates, that is one thing. If it's deliberate ignorance, then that is another(not to mention unlawful)
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:42:00 - [41] So you want CCP to change the price frequently to respond to the variation between the US dollar and the Euro? Oh please!
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:42:00 - [42] So you want CCP to change the price frequently to respond to the variation between the US dollar and the Euro? Oh please!
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:43:00 - [43] Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 16:46:23 Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 16:45:18 Originally by: Valentine Keen So you want CCP to change the price frequently to respond to the variation between the US dollar and the Euro? Oh please! Frequently? It hasnt been changed in almost 7 months. Oh please learn to count! Also, that's what almost every business is faced with. Solution? Have one price, levy the sales tax based on where the credit card is.
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:43:00 - [44] Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 16:46:23 Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 16:45:18 Originally by: Valentine Keen So you want CCP to change the price frequently to respond to the variation between the US dollar and the Euro? Oh please! Frequently? It hasnt been changed in almost 7 months. Oh please learn to count! Also, that's what almost every business is faced with. Solution? Have one price, levy the sales tax based on where the credit card is.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:50:00 - [45] 14.95 USD = 12.36 EUR right now. 12.36 EUR marked up at, say, 17.5% UK VAT rate, becomes 14.52 EUR. So, seriously, you're feeling hard done by simply because of 0.43 EUR a month at worst? (Or ú0.28 UK)
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:50:00 - [46] 14.95 USD = 12.36 EUR right now. 12.36 EUR marked up at, say, 17.5% UK VAT rate, becomes 14.52 EUR. So, seriously, you're feeling hard done by simply because of 0.43 EUR a month at worst? (Or ú0.28 UK)
Andrue	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Joshua Foiritan If only CCP was located in the US....then we EU people wouldnt have to pay this VAT thing... Yes they would. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Joshua Foiritan If only CCP was located in the US....then we EU people wouldnt have to pay this VAT thing... Yes they would. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Valentine Keen 14.95 USD = 12.36 EUR right now. 12.36 EUR marked up at, say, 17.5% UK VAT rate, becomes 14.52 EUR. So, seriously, you're feeling hard done by simply because of 0.43 EUR a month at worst? (Or ú0.28 UK) I'm feeling hard done because they seem to be using a 17.5% levy as a cloak to make even more money.
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Valentine Keen 14.95 USD = 12.36 EUR right now. 12.36 EUR marked up at, say, 17.5% UK VAT rate, becomes 14.52 EUR. So, seriously, you're feeling hard done by simply because of 0.43 EUR a month at worst? (Or ú0.28 UK) I'm feeling hard done because they seem to be using a 17.5% levy as a cloak to make even more money.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:57:00 - [51] Originally by: Joshua Foiritan Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 25/07/2004 13:48:45 Originally by: Hans S***el Originally by: Joshua Foiritan If only CCP was located in the US....then we EU people wouldnt have to pay this VAT thing... Europeans would still have to pay VAT even if CCP were an American company. Odd, a game Called DarkSpace, located in the Us charges $10 to all of its subscribers around the world. So why cant eve? Well, assuming they don't use some other means to monitor how much comes from EU revenue and deduct tax accordingly, they would be breaking EU law. EU legislation regards electronic services as bought in the country of the receiver and so subject to appopriate taxation regardless of where the supplier is based. Whether or not taxation or other treaties with the US would make it a problem in the US, I don't know, but just because they're breaking the law doesn't mean we should encourage CCP to do the same.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 16:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Joshua Foiritan Edited by: Joshua Foiritan on 25/07/2004 13:48:45 Originally by: Hans S***el Originally by: Joshua Foiritan If only CCP was located in the US....then we EU people wouldnt have to pay this VAT thing... Europeans would still have to pay VAT even if CCP were an American company. Odd, a game Called DarkSpace, located in the Us charges $10 to all of its subscribers around the world. So why cant eve? Well, assuming they don't use some other means to monitor how much comes from EU revenue and deduct tax accordingly, they would be breaking EU law. EU legislation regards electronic services as bought in the country of the receiver and so subject to appopriate taxation regardless of where the supplier is based. Whether or not taxation or other treaties with the US would make it a problem in the US, I don't know, but just because they're breaking the law doesn't mean we should encourage CCP to do the same.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 17:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Kelly O'Connor Originally by: Valentine Keen 14.95 USD = 12.36 EUR right now. 12.36 EUR marked up at, say, 17.5% UK VAT rate, becomes 14.52 EUR. So, seriously, you're feeling hard done by simply because of 0.43 EUR a month at worst? (Or ú0.28 UK) I'm feeling hard done because they seem to be using a 17.5% levy as a cloak to make even more money. Putting aside the fact we don't know where they opted to register the VAT and could infact be bearing upto 25% and therefore undercharging us... This makes CCP different from any other business across the globe...how? Businesses will charge what the market will bear. Prices in various countries vary, even with global products. I think it's harsh that you seem to be attempting to hold CCP to a different set of standards than the rest of the globe. Businesses make money and lose money on exchange rate variances to the tune of millions of dollars a day. Asking CCP to change their pricing policy for such a small amount seems cheap and vindictive. Are you also demanding your credit card company refund charges and unfavourable exchange rates for converting those Euro's back to sterling on your statement? Do you demand imported products in shops are charged at the correct exchange rate to show they aren't making more money in the UK? No, these things are part of life, part of business.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.07.25 17:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Kelly O'Connor Originally by: Valentine Keen 14.95 USD = 12.36 EUR right now. 12.36 EUR marked up at, say, 17.5% UK VAT rate, becomes 14.52 EUR. So, seriously, you're feeling hard done by simply because of 0.43 EUR a month at worst? (Or ú0.28 UK) I'm feeling hard done because they seem to be using a 17.5% levy as a cloak to make even more money. Putting aside the fact we don't know where they opted to register the VAT and could infact be bearing upto 25% and therefore undercharging us... This makes CCP different from any other business across the globe...how? Businesses will charge what the market will bear. Prices in various countries vary, even with global products. I think it's harsh that you seem to be attempting to hold CCP to a different set of standards than the rest of the globe. Businesses make money and lose money on exchange rate variances to the tune of millions of dollars a day. Asking CCP to change their pricing policy for such a small amount seems cheap and vindictive. Are you also demanding your credit card company refund charges and unfavourable exchange rates for converting those Euro's back to sterling on your statement? Do you demand imported products in shops are charged at the correct exchange rate to show they aren't making more money in the UK? No, these things are part of life, part of business.
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Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 17:30:00 - [57] Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 17:33:37 Originally by: Valentine Keen Putting aside the fact we don't know where they opted to register the VAT and could infact be bearing upto 25% and therefore undercharging us... Since the servers are hosted in london... Quote: This makes CCP different from any other business across the globe...how? I buy a monitor from germany, I pay german VAT, pay in euro's, and thats it. I buy a monitor from newegg(USA), I pay local vat(if there is any?) and import duty, and pay in dollars. I buy a months subscription from eve, and instead of paying dollars, I pay extra in euro's. That's vastly different, internet business's do not charge in different currencies depending on where you are, they charge in one currency. Quote: Businesses will charge what the market will bear. Prices in various countries vary, even with global products. I think it's harsh that you seem to be attempting to hold CCP to a different set of standards than the rest of the globe. Name another western MMO that charges different prices irregardless of vat or taxation to different parts of the globe. Planetside doesnt. SWG doesnt. Neocron doesnt. None I have come across do. Quote: Businesses make money and lose money on exchange rate variances to the tune of millions of dollars a day. Asking CCP to change their pricing policy for such a small amount seems cheap and vindictive. Tell me why they dont just charge in euro, or dollars and let the banks handle the exchange? Every other company(barring the like of paypal and paybycash) do. Quote: Are you also demanding your credit card company refund charges and unfavourable exchange rates for converting those Euro's back to sterling on your statement? Local currency is euro. Quote: Do you demand imported products in shops are charged at the correct exchange rate to show they aren't making more money in the UK? Nice analogy. Err, not. Quote: No, these things are part of life, part of business. I can give plenty of examples that they arent. Can you give any that they are, other then rhetoric and kneejerk automatic defence of CCP?
Kelly O'Connor	Posted - 2004.07.25 17:30:00 - [58] Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/07/2004 17:33:37 Originally by: Valentine Keen Putting aside the fact we don't know where they opted to register the VAT and could infact be bearing upto 25% and therefore undercharging us... Since the servers are hosted in london... Quote: This makes CCP different from any other business across the globe...how? I buy a monitor from germany, I pay german VAT, pay in euro's, and thats it. I buy a monitor from newegg(USA), I pay local vat(if there is any?) and import duty, and pay in dollars. I buy a months subscription from eve, and instead of paying dollars, I pay extra in euro's. That's vastly different, internet business's do not charge in different currencies depending on where you are, they charge in one currency. Quote: Businesses will charge what the market will bear. Prices in various countries vary, even with global products. I think it's harsh that you seem to be attempting to hold CCP to a different set of standards than the rest of the globe. Name another western MMO that charges different prices irregardless of vat or taxation to different parts of the globe. Planetside doesnt. SWG doesnt. Neocron doesnt. None I have come across do. Quote: Businesses make money and lose money on exchange rate variances to the tune of millions of dollars a day. Asking CCP to change their pricing policy for such a small amount seems cheap and vindictive. Tell me why they dont just charge in euro, or dollars and let the banks handle the exchange? Every other company(barring the like of paypal and paybycash) do. Quote: Are you also demanding your credit card company refund charges and unfavourable exchange rates for converting those Euro's back to sterling on your statement? Local currency is euro. Quote: Do you demand imported products in shops are charged at the correct exchange rate to show they aren't making more money in the UK? Nice analogy. Err, not. Quote: No, these things are part of life, part of business. I can give plenty of examples that they arent. Can you give any that they are, other then rhetoric and kneejerk automatic defence of CCP?
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.25 17:54:00 - [59] excuse my ignorance but why dont you just select $ as your payment option cant that be done Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.25 17:54:00 - [60] excuse my ignorance but why dont you just select $ as your payment option cant that be done Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1

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