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Elizabeth vonStrauss	Posted - 2009.01.10 16:45:00 - [1] Hi guys.. lets do some LVL5 char EFT whoring for a second. This is comparison between two tier3 BSs, one from the "highest damage point blank" race called Ghayllente and one from "armor tanking beast with unlimited optimal" race called Amarr. I know that some of u guys will just say: EFT is not for comparing in reality, EFT is missing something that real pew pew has or other stuff.. I just wanna prove the point, that gallente race became obsolete. Lets look at two fittings (biggest weapons, active tanked, t2 close range ammo,empire station hugging/no need for mwd..): [Abaddon, ganky] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Large Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 True Sansha Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Ogre II x3 stats on lvl5 char without any other bonuses: 1120 dps with 15+10 range with conflag (yes, conflag, with amarr multis u get 8dps less with same range) 10k of armor, 80k of EHP, 431 dps tanked everything fits.. and this one: [Hyperion, ganky] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Ogre II x4 stats on lvl5 char without any other bonuses: 1190dps with 6.8+6.3 range with VOID L 10K of armor, 71K of EHP, 444 dps tanked. soo...conclusion? Abaddon can hit up to 25km, hyp can only up to 13km. Abaddon has more EHP and almost same dps tanked. Hyp does 70dps more.. !!AND!! Hyp CANNOT fit anything else into mids except some EW, thus running out of cap after 2,5minutes, while Abaddon can run everything until it has charges in cargohold.. And tracking really isnt so much different..0.027 on hyp against 0.021 on abaddon. Only noticable difference is that hpy can go 121m/s and abaddon only 98m/s but that is not usefull, coz we are meant to stay still and just deliver dps and tank some meanwhile.. What do u guys say?
Sarkiss Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.10 16:46:00 - [2] So your saying the Hyperion is crap? We know.
Elizabeth vonStrauss	Posted - 2009.01.10 16:58:00 - [3] well, even mega cannot cope with this monster..
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.01.10 17:00:00 - [4] I'd say you were fairly unlikely to see abbadon fits like that. Although 1000 dps is possible, most usual fits drop heat sinks for armor plates to improve on the buffer. I'd definitely say your abbadon fit would be using trimarks to be more in line with 'normal' fits. I agree the hype is completely meh and thats just by comparison to the mega and the domi. Just sadly there isn't much that could be done without making it way too awesome. Its a cruel little world. The buffer is king.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.10 17:10:00 - [5] While your conclusion that Gallente blaster battleships are now generally outperformed by other ships is reasonable, the fits you used to support your conclusion are pure comedy.
Cyb3r Thr3at NQX Innovations	Posted - 2009.01.10 17:28:00 - [6] Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 10/01/2009 17:30:44 Mega can fit 5 heavy drones ya know.. try that fit wit x5 Sentry Drones for the Mega.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.10 17:32:00 - [7] I stopped reading at Conflagration L. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.10 17:33:00 - [8] lol @ putting nanobots and aux pumps on single rep setups ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
bluebeyond DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.01.10 18:11:00 - [9] Edited by: bluebeyond on 10/01/2009 18:12:53 Edited by: bluebeyond on 10/01/2009 18:11:51 Your setups are ****e. Two of my chars are Amarr and Gallente speced, both maxes out BS pilots (both dread pilots). My hype kicked kicked the shit into my abaddon. Learn to a) fit your ship and b) train you char for them before you spout rubbish off on the forum. Also just fly a mega and geddon....
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2009.01.10 18:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 10/01/2009 18:08:03 Mega can fit 5 heavy drones ya know.. try that fit wit x5 Sentry Drones for the Mega. an excellent sugestion if it wernt for two important facts. 1. hes talking about the hyperion not the megathron 2. hes talking about the hyperion not the megathron sorry but it was so crucial of a piont that i had to mention it twice.
Gram Hellfire Eyes of the Night Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.10 20:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss Conflagration L i don't have to flame. the flame is inherent to the OP.
NightmareX Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:02:00 - [12] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:05:17 Wow, your so funny. So only because EFT is showing that Amarr have some higher numbers in something over Gallente, and that makes Gallente obsolete over Amarr because Amarr have some higher numbers?. LOL, seriously dude, don't be an idiot. And i can for sure beat that Abaddon in my Tempest any day. It doesn't help to have huge EFT numbers when your dumb as a monkey in PVP. Because a dumb PVPer loses to everything. OMGOMG, the Abaddon have much better stats than my Tempest, it must win over my Tempest then, yeah. It's all true.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:19:00 - [13] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:10:30 Wow, your so funny. So only because EFT is showing that Amarr have some higher numbers in something over Gallente, and that makes Gallente obsolete over Amarr because Amarr have some higher numbers?. LOL, seriously dude, don't be an idiot. And i can for sure beat that Abaddon in my Tempest any day. It doesn't help to have huge EFT numbers when your dumb as a monkey in PVP. Because a dumb PVPer loses to everything. OMGOMG, the Abaddon have much better stats than my Tempest, it must win over my Tempest then, yeah. It's all true. And while i think about it. I know alot of players is like, omg why doesn't the Tempest or Megathron have the the same DPS on 25+ km range on the guns as the geddon gets etc and that. Would there be any point to have different Battleships in EVE if all battleships have had all the same stats on all battleships?. I don't get it either, that and the hype can fit a multispec ecm in the mids and beat the abaddon every time... not to mention I dont think anyone would fit a hype/abaddon like the op anyways.
Elizabeth vonStrauss	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:32:00 - [14] Originally by: NightmareX And while i think about it. I know alot of players is like, omg why doesn't the Tempest or Megathron have the the same DPS on 25+ km range on the guns as the geddon gets etc and that. Do tell how hyp can achieve at least 800dps at 25km..abaddon can.. Originally by: NightmareX Would there be any point to have different Battleships in EVE if all battleships have had all the same stats on all battleships?. Where is the point in fitting all abaddons for buffer tank and all hyps with dual LAR setups?
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Gram Hellfire Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss Conflagration L i don't have to flame. the flame is inherent to the OP. Would it be better if i fitted amarr navy multifrequencies? 25 less dps and same range really doesnt prove me really wrong.. ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome!
NightmareX Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:36:00 - [16] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:36:43 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I dont think anyone would fit a hype/abaddon like the op anyways. Yeah i agree on that. Well, i just checked my EFT with the setup i have on my Tempest, and my Tempest beat both the Abaddon and the Hyperion in EHP LOL. My Tempest have 91.3k EHP. This is my tempest setup: High-Slot: 6 x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 2 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Med-Slot: 1 x 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 1 x Warp Disruptor II 1 x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1 x ECM - Multispectral Jammer II 1 x Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Low-Slot: 1 x Large Armor Repairer II 1 x Damage Control II 2 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1 x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1 x Gyrostabilizer II Rig-Slot: 3 x Trimark Armor Pump I Drones: 3 x Ogre II or Berserker II This is one of the most solid close range setup you can get to the Tempest today. It have 709 DPS (787 DPS overloaded) with my skills and implants. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Elizabeth vonStrauss	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Bronson Hughes While your conclusion that Gallente blaster battleships are now generally outperformed by other ships is reasonable, the fits you used to support your conclusion are pure comedy. Well, i really wanted to have same fittings for same doings on both ships. Its easier to use abaddons bonus for resists with active tank, then not use hyps repping bonus on buffer tank.. And its really hard to compare stats if abaddon would be buffer tanked and hyp active tanked.. But even if we do buffer vs active tank comparison, it gets even worse. They both have to drop one MFS, abaddon gets alot of free PG left if reffits with plates, while hyp has to downgrade to ions if not to electrons to fit dual LAR plus heavy and medium cap booster to sustain all that crap.. Can dual LAR hyp outlast abaddons tons of EHP and higher DPS?
Elizabeth vonStrauss	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:41:00 - [18] Edited by: Elizabeth vonStrauss on 10/01/2009 21:42:13 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:36:43 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I dont think anyone would fit a hype/abaddon like the op anyways. Yeah i agree on that. Well, i just checked my EFT with the setup i have on my Tempest, and my Tempest beat both the Abaddon and the Hyperion in EHP LOL. My Tempest have 91.3k EHP. This is my tempest setup: High-Slot: 6 x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 2 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Med-Slot: 1 x 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 1 x Warp Disruptor II 1 x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1 x ECM - Multispectral Jammer II 1 x Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Low-Slot: 1 x Large Armor Repairer II 1 x Damage Control II 2 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1 x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1 x Gyrostabilizer II Rig-Slot: 3 x Trimark Armor Pump I Drones: 3 x Ogre II or Berserker II This is one of the most solid close range setup you can get to the Tempest today. It have 709 DPS (787 DPS overloaded) with my skills and implants. yes, but how much dps tanked? And EHP isnt fair, u have plate..exchange that plate for gyrostab and lets see your stats again.. And have in mind, u dont have required fittings for this comparison..
NightmareX Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:42:00 - [19] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:42:18 Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss Originally by: NightmareX And while i think about it. I know alot of players is like, omg why doesn't the Tempest or Megathron have the the same DPS on 25+ km range on the guns as the geddon gets etc and that. Do tell how hyp can achieve at least 800dps at 25km..abaddon can.. Well any good pvper know what to do if your in a Tempest or a Megathron, or other non-amarr bs'es against an Abaddon or a geddon if your alone against him, you don't go to 25+ km, your going very close to him and orbits him. Even when i'm webbed, i will still do tons of more DPS on the Abaddon than the Abaddon does on my Tempest. Because when i'm very close the Abaddon wont track any good. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Elizabeth vonStrauss	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:44:00 - [20] Edited by: Elizabeth vonStrauss on 10/01/2009 21:44:37 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:42:18 Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss Originally by: NightmareX And while i think about it. I know alot of players is like, omg why doesn't the Tempest or Megathron have the the same DPS on 25+ km range on the guns as the geddon gets etc and that. Do tell how hyp can achieve at least 800dps at 25km..abaddon can.. Well any good pvper know what to do if your in a Tempest or a Megathron, or other non-amarr bs'es against an Abaddon or a geddon if your alone against him, you don't go to 25+ km, your going very close to him and orbits him. Even when i'm webbed, i will still do tons of more DPS on the Abaddon than the Abaddon does on my Tempest. Because when i'm very close the Abaddon wont track any good. And i tell u, it will.. he has one web, so if u orbit him without AB/MWD on, u gonna orbit him with like 70m/s or less..and he can track a BS sized ship at that velocity..
NightmareX Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss yes, but how much dps tanked? And EHP isnt fair, u have plate..exchange that plate for gyrostab and lets see your stats again.. And have in mind, u dont have required fittings for this comparison.. LOL, you don't know much about how the Tempest is i see. The plate is the thing that helps the Tempest in most situations. Anyways, if i take away the plate and put in another Gyro, i will get exactly 100 DPS more, also i goes from 709 to 809 DPS. But it's better to have a ship that can last long enough so my dual heavy neuts can start to do some serious damage to the capacitor to any cap hungry battleships. That's the whole point. And when cap hungry battleships is having problems with the cap because of my neuts, then your in 90% of the cases in big trouble. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:49:00 - [22] That Abaddon fit is just terrible, if you not actively tankin about 800-900 dps dont bother. With that setup with dual injectors you'd have 3 Nanobot accelerators and make that single rep take use of the nuts amount of cap its got to burn (your dual heavy t2 injectors). Also your Hyperion setups lacking its med slots. I hope you relise how that the hyperion has 5 med slots which are incredible for versatility - such as the domi and Tempest. I wont tell you how to use them, but its damned useful. If your target is close enough to be in scramble range (<10km) then an hyperion will hit it just as good, if not use Null. Finally, there are several broken battleships - the Hyperion isnt one imho, tho i know others disagree, i think people need to read up on the changes in QR. Honestly LOOK at all the changes QR brought, each new patch subtilely changes pvp. People need to keep up.
NightmareX Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.10 21:49:00 - [23] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:53:00 Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss And i tell u, it will.. he has one web, so if u orbit him without AB/MWD on, u gonna orbit him with like 70m/s or less..and he can track a BS sized ship at that velocity.. An Abaddon can track me yeah, but how hard will he hit me if i'm orbiting him at 70-80 m/s at 500m - 1km?, that's the whole thing. And with my 80% EM resist and 67% Thermal resists, your lasers are not gonna do so much damage on me anyways. A good fitted Dominix and Hyperion is the thing my Tempest fear most.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:07:00 - [24] Originally by: kessah That Abaddon fit is just terrible, if you not actively tankin about 800-900 dps dont bother. With that setup with dual injectors you'd have 3 Nanobot accelerators and make that single rep take use of the nuts amount of cap its got to burn (your dual heavy t2 injectors). Also your Hyperion setups lacking its med slots. I hope you relise how that the hyperion has 5 med slots which are incredible for versatility - such as the domi and Tempest. I wont tell you how to use them, but its damned useful. If your target is close enough to be in scramble range (<10km) then an hyperion will hit it just as good, if not use Null. Finally, there are several broken battleships - the Hyperion isnt one imho, tho i know others disagree, i think people need to read up on the changes in QR. Honestly LOOK at all the changes QR brought, each new patch subtilely changes pvp. People need to keep up. All true, but i wanted to show u guys if we take same role for both ships (max dps, ACTIVE tanke (to make bonuses for both ships useless in the same way..)) 1. what 3 nanobot accs? two aux and one nanobot i have, and its cap stable with all the guns, like i wrote in OP.. 2.yes, hyp doessnt have mids fitted, why? If u read OP, u would see that hyp runs out of PG if its fitted in same way than abaddon (active tank, largest guns) and has almost same dps and tank than abaddon..And while i agree that hyps mids are usefull for something else, it doesnt help it with raw numbers for dps and/or tank.. 3. even further downgrades dps and gets tracking issues.. 4. can u name some changes that affect hyp apart that BS sized guns are unable to hit cruisers..
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Miss KillSome on 10/01/2009 22:12:23 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:53:00 Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss And i tell u, it will.. he has one web, so if u orbit him without AB/MWD on, u gonna orbit him with like 70m/s or less..and he can track a BS sized ship at that velocity.. An Abaddon can track me yeah, but how hard will he hit me if i'm orbiting him at 70-80 m/s at 500m - 1km?, that's the whole thing. And with my 80% EM resist and 67% Thermal resists, your lasers are not gonna do so much damage on me anyways. A good fitted Dominix and Hyperion is the thing my Tempest fear most. not sure why are u insisting on comparing tempest fits (which doesnt have largest guns fitted nor similar dps to ccompare nor similar tank to compare with both setups..).. U are right, tempest is better, never said that..try to fit it like i fitted those two ships and lets check raw numbers.. I've seen thorax beat up cookiecutter setup astarte coz of medium ecm drones: he had luck and astarte didnt have eccm..i know that there are better setups for abaddon and hyp, but u cannot compare those setups between eachothers.. And still..can dual rep hyp outlast abaddons raw HP and higher DPS?
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:12:00 - [26] Im really not going to connect the dots for people. Sorry if u think that means i dont know a damned thing, but im really not. The Patch notes are there. claps hands threads done for me.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:13:00 - [27] Originally by: kessah Im really not going to connect the dots for people. Sorry if u think that means i dont know a damned thing, but im really not. The Patch notes are there. claps hands threads done for me. yeah, i thought so..u dont have a good example..
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:38:00 - [28] learn to fit hyperions?
Mandorr Kzrell	Posted - 2009.01.10 22:49:00 - [29] Abaddon is pretty sexy, it owns even without a setup o.O
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.10 23:16:00 - [30] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 10/01/2009 21:10:30 Wow, your so funny. So only because EFT is showing that Amarr have some higher numbers in something over Gallente, and that makes Gallente obsolete over Amarr because Amarr have some higher numbers?. LOL, seriously dude, don't be an idiot. And i can for sure beat that Abaddon in my Tempest any day. It doesn't help to have huge EFT numbers when your dumb as a monkey in PVP. Because a dumb PVPer loses to everything. OMGOMG, the Abaddon have much better stats than my Tempest, it must win over my Tempest then, yeah. It's all true. And while i think about it. I know alot of players is like, omg why doesn't the Tempest or Megathron have the the same DPS on 25+ km range on the guns as the geddon gets etc and that. Would there be any point to have different Battleships in EVE if all battleships have had all the same stats on all battleships?. Came back from your holyday in troll-country? -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!! Please resixe image to the maxiumum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator

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