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Shootemup
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Posted - 2004.08.03 14:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
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Shootemup
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Posted - 2004.08.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:45:00 -
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zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:45:00 -
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zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 03/08/2004 17:42:00
Originally by: Shootemup
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
Point of the matter was they where suid for serving hot Coffe
anyway in the US you can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything that is a fact
how many cases have there been in the US where Doctors have been suid for trying to save a persons life and failed (although they did everything in their power) thats not saying you are going to win just that you have the right to file a suit (and that this country is sue crazy IMHO)
granted i am Danish (although living in the states) i am just used to a deferent system then the one in the states so i may not get all the facts right when it comes to the law in the states
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 03/08/2004 17:42:00
Originally by: Shootemup
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
Point of the matter was they where suid for serving hot Coffe
anyway in the US you can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything that is a fact
how many cases have there been in the US where Doctors have been suid for trying to save a persons life and failed (although they did everything in their power) thats not saying you are going to win just that you have the right to file a suit (and that this country is sue crazy IMHO)
granted i am Danish (although living in the states) i am just used to a deferent system then the one in the states so i may not get all the facts right when it comes to the law in the states
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.08.03 19:26:00 -
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I too had something like this happen to me last year. So I can feel your pain, I'm sure not as badly. Although I actually quit the game because of it. I had my own Corp with about 25 members or so and after 3-4 monoths another Corp merged with us. They had been together for quite some time and a character had trained with alot of R&D and production skills. So, needless to say, I put her in charge of them. We had avery ammo, missile, most gunnery, a few Frigates and a number of other BPO's, all researched to the max. The previous week to our theft was we had all of our equipment stolen. I restricted everyones access except for mine and the R&D person. Then I looged on and we had nothing. Queen Amethyst was the name of the character. It was supposedly a girl and she shared an account with her b/f, Grimmacker (Grimmacker Corp). Later she was in his Corp. I am still not sure if they were one person or really 2 people. But I did find out we got a little revenge. Some of his fellow Corp mates that he entrusted took everything and left him. An ex corp mate of mine became a pirate in the Syndicate Region and that just happened to be where he (Grimmacker) was stationed. Ahhh, the sweet revenge my ex-corp mate got for us :)
But I'm now back in the game with a new charater and not trusting anyone except for the few I've befriended when I played Planetside for a while.
P.S. I didn't ditch the rest of my corp members. We all talked and found a nice corp for them to settle into and then I left.
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.08.03 19:26:00 -
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I too had something like this happen to me last year. So I can feel your pain, I'm sure not as badly. Although I actually quit the game because of it. I had my own Corp with about 25 members or so and after 3-4 monoths another Corp merged with us. They had been together for quite some time and a character had trained with alot of R&D and production skills. So, needless to say, I put her in charge of them. We had avery ammo, missile, most gunnery, a few Frigates and a number of other BPO's, all researched to the max. The previous week to our theft was we had all of our equipment stolen. I restricted everyones access except for mine and the R&D person. Then I looged on and we had nothing. Queen Amethyst was the name of the character. It was supposedly a girl and she shared an account with her b/f, Grimmacker (Grimmacker Corp). Later she was in his Corp. I am still not sure if they were one person or really 2 people. But I did find out we got a little revenge. Some of his fellow Corp mates that he entrusted took everything and left him. An ex corp mate of mine became a pirate in the Syndicate Region and that just happened to be where he (Grimmacker) was stationed. Ahhh, the sweet revenge my ex-corp mate got for us :)
But I'm now back in the game with a new charater and not trusting anyone except for the few I've befriended when I played Planetside for a while.
P.S. I didn't ditch the rest of my corp members. We all talked and found a nice corp for them to settle into and then I left.
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Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.03 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
Go ahead Genco said the War was over Max but if you want to pod people then you will just be acting like a little punk pulling a temper tantrum....
but you will do what you think you should so lkeep your insurance up to date
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Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.03 22:53:00 -
[220]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
Go ahead Genco said the War was over Max but if you want to pod people then you will just be acting like a little punk pulling a temper tantrum....
but you will do what you think you should so lkeep your insurance up to date
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:22:00 -
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sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:22:00 -
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sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.08.04 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
The war was declared again because we miss a lot of our bps, Taranis BPO, All Cruiser BPOs, all large module BPOs to name a few.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.08.04 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
The war was declared again because we miss a lot of our bps, Taranis BPO, All Cruiser BPOs, all large module BPOs to name a few.
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
Thats BS and u know it Drakowolf if u really "know" Apostle Benedict irl u should take a really long and serious talk whit him and NOT accept any excuses/BS from him 
and i still belive u where involved in the theft!!! 
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
Thats BS and u know it Drakowolf if u really "know" Apostle Benedict irl u should take a really long and serious talk whit him and NOT accept any excuses/BS from him
and i still belive u where involved in the theft!!!
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
This argument doesn't belong here. You are guilty and you only do pathetic attempts to plead your innocence. It's obvious you are the one.
The only evidence that we are wrong you can pull out is Harberk's audit logs. Rejoin Genco, and let us check his audit logs, then we'll know for sure who's the thief and liar. You don't even have to leave the station to do that..
Nieo has nothing to do with this, that's a ridiculous remark. First off he's a real life friend of the founders of Genco, and beside from that, he also left the corp the 16:th of june. Checking the audit logs on myself shows I set Apostle's access down to query ONLY on ALL hangars on july 2nd.
What's this talk of that Apostle had his access for months without anyone of us noticing? Before I set it down, he only had access to 3 basic hangars that pretty much all the members who've been in the corp for more than 1 month has.
Stop lying and give us the items back.
The deal is either this:
Give Genco the Taranis BPO AND 3 billion isk. Instead of the 3 billion isk though, we would PREFER all the items, money, ships, blueprints and tech II components you stole from us. I want Drakowolf himself to hand over this, and we won't discount the ship you lose in the war we have against you.
Or this:
Be forced to play in the noob corp for the rest of your eve careers, because we will set an example of this. Calling us liars that we reissued the war is not either totally justified, it was a strategy to get some of our Tech II originals back before we blew all the bridges. Now we have nothing to lose.
Even if we did lie, I don't think lying to a petty thief to get items back to its rightful owner isn't that big of a deal.
I don't want to take this conversation here anymore. The thread is not about whether Rebels Ltd. are behind this or not, it's about that we couldn't do anything about it or get CLEAR evidence black on white. About bugs in this game. Afaik we haven't even whined about the losses, just about thiefs and liars who can't stand up for what they do. You still make me sick, Drakowolf.
Lastly, a huge thank you to all the corporations, both friends and enemies, for the great support and attention you show us.
Rufus Kex
CEO of Genco
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
This argument doesn't belong here. You are guilty and you only do pathetic attempts to plead your innocence. It's obvious you are the one.
The only evidence that we are wrong you can pull out is Harberk's audit logs. Rejoin Genco, and let us check his audit logs, then we'll know for sure who's the thief and liar. You don't even have to leave the station to do that..
Nieo has nothing to do with this, that's a ridiculous remark. First off he's a real life friend of the founders of Genco, and beside from that, he also left the corp the 16:th of june. Checking the audit logs on myself shows I set Apostle's access down to query ONLY on ALL hangars on july 2nd.
What's this talk of that Apostle had his access for months without anyone of us noticing? Before I set it down, he only had access to 3 basic hangars that pretty much all the members who've been in the corp for more than 1 month has.
Stop lying and give us the items back.
The deal is either this:
Give Genco the Taranis BPO AND 3 billion isk. Instead of the 3 billion isk though, we would PREFER all the items, money, ships, blueprints and tech II components you stole from us. I want Drakowolf himself to hand over this, and we won't discount the ship you lose in the war we have against you.
Or this:
Be forced to play in the noob corp for the rest of your eve careers, because we will set an example of this. Calling us liars that we reissued the war is not either totally justified, it was a strategy to get some of our Tech II originals back before we blew all the bridges. Now we have nothing to lose.
Even if we did lie, I don't think lying to a petty thief to get items back to its rightful owner isn't that big of a deal.
I don't want to take this conversation here anymore. The thread is not about whether Rebels Ltd. are behind this or not, it's about that we couldn't do anything about it or get CLEAR evidence black on white. About bugs in this game. Afaik we haven't even whined about the losses, just about thiefs and liars who can't stand up for what they do. You still make me sick, Drakowolf.
Lastly, a huge thank you to all the corporations, both friends and enemies, for the great support and attention you show us.
Rufus Kex
CEO of Genco
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:55:00 -
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ROFLMAO you are HILARIOUS Drakowolf.
I almost wet my pants here from rolling around on my floor LAUGHING at your horrible attempt to blame this theft you are part of on ME.
First off nieo had normal access to Genco Corphangars when I got control over him. I had no magic wand to wave and get things that normal members couldn't. Stop blame others and come out from the closet as a CORP THIEF. And bring your closet friend Harberk with you. You make such a cute couple!
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:55:00 -
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ROFLMAO you are HILARIOUS Drakowolf.
I almost wet my pants here from rolling around on my floor LAUGHING at your horrible attempt to blame this theft you are part of on ME.
First off nieo had normal access to Genco Corphangars when I got control over him. I had no magic wand to wave and get things that normal members couldn't. Stop blame others and come out from the closet as a CORP THIEF. And bring your closet friend Harberk with you. You make such a cute couple!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:59:00 -
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Discussion ended, or at least the flow is out of it.
If you want to talk more about McDonalds please post at the out of pod experience forums.
Thank you 
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:59:00 -
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Discussion ended, or at least the flow is out of it.
If you want to talk more about McDonalds please post at the out of pod experience forums.
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
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