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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 20:55:00 -
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Couldn't avoid reading the thread about the guy who lost an Apoc bpc on a corp theft, but wtf is that?
The theft of the century, or at least this week/month must go out to the character Apostle Benedict, alt of the two main characters of the corporation Rebels Ltd.
This guy is a forgotten alt in our corp that is controlled by 2 previous directors of Genco who just formed their own corporation. Whose it is for sure, I can't tell, all I know is that one of them set the standings on him to full (1 day before the theft, read: 24 hours to leave corp/hide audit logs), and the other one was online with him the last time I saw ever him onkline (the alt), a couple of months ago.
What they managed to lift from Genco is EVERYTHING. All blueprints, all items, all named loot, all tech 2 components, all spare ships, all minerals, all isk we had. Not only in our main HQ, but also in at least 2 other key corp hangars in different parts of space. I'd guess the value of this stuff would sum up at about 3 or 4 billion isk in total, and then I don't count the invaluable tech II original blueprints that we had (Crow, Taranis, 2xMiner II, plus some other smaller modules).
Also, when the dreaded thief had stolen everything, he left the corporation for another that he (from what we understand) found on the recruitment channel. Thereby hiding all the audit logs from us. (He also messed around with 40% of the other members' access, trying to jam up the audit logs of himself I think).
I know that this is our own fault in the end, as we are the ones who put our trust out free for all, but even if we miss our stuff, we seem to be followed by bad luck in the effort of coping with this:
1: Whilst trying to get the audit logs from a GM, we were told to petition (which we already did). If we were to go the right way with this, it would feel best to actually see the prints black on white who did this. However, we have learned who it is by other means, so this would only be the definite proof.
2: We're issuing a corp war against the bastards who did this, but the vote seem bugged and we can't get it through. There's bugged vote too that's impossible to retract, so we have to wait for this petition to go through too. TIME TIME TIME. We see them freighting our stuff away from our station in their indys, helpless, we can't do a thing!
So instead of being able to nail the ones who did this to us, we're sitting there unable to do anything. We're mining up some more minerals so we can build ammo for the war, that's it, talking to eachother and motivate eachother to stay in the game. We've bought all copies back, so it's no danger there either. Items is no problem since we all have what we need to blast them back to stoneage and keep ourselves rolling, but the tech II items, the blueprint originals... Man I don't wanna think about how many people who have worked so hard for a long time to make Genco what it was.
We still have all the battleship originals as we had them researching in personal hangars of corp alts, but it still is no fun. This will definately be a game breaker for a lot of our members, but some of us will continue to fight for the small bit of judification we can. IF CCP JUST WOULDN'T MAKE US WAIT.
This crap is killing me.
In some ways, this could also have been the best that ever happened to us. Now we have nothing to guard, no base to return to. We have our dedicated players and now we're free to do anything.
What will happen with our corp, we don't know.
But I sure as hell know that the pitiful liars and dishonorable thiefs of Rebels Ltd will forever crawl on their knees until they decide to quit this game.
Rufus Kex
CEO of Genco
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 20:55:00 -
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Couldn't avoid reading the thread about the guy who lost an Apoc bpc on a corp theft, but wtf is that?
The theft of the century, or at least this week/month must go out to the character Apostle Benedict, alt of the two main characters of the corporation Rebels Ltd.
This guy is a forgotten alt in our corp that is controlled by 2 previous directors of Genco who just formed their own corporation. Whose it is for sure, I can't tell, all I know is that one of them set the standings on him to full (1 day before the theft, read: 24 hours to leave corp/hide audit logs), and the other one was online with him the last time I saw ever him onkline (the alt), a couple of months ago.
What they managed to lift from Genco is EVERYTHING. All blueprints, all items, all named loot, all tech 2 components, all spare ships, all minerals, all isk we had. Not only in our main HQ, but also in at least 2 other key corp hangars in different parts of space. I'd guess the value of this stuff would sum up at about 3 or 4 billion isk in total, and then I don't count the invaluable tech II original blueprints that we had (Crow, Taranis, 2xMiner II, plus some other smaller modules).
Also, when the dreaded thief had stolen everything, he left the corporation for another that he (from what we understand) found on the recruitment channel. Thereby hiding all the audit logs from us. (He also messed around with 40% of the other members' access, trying to jam up the audit logs of himself I think).
I know that this is our own fault in the end, as we are the ones who put our trust out free for all, but even if we miss our stuff, we seem to be followed by bad luck in the effort of coping with this:
1: Whilst trying to get the audit logs from a GM, we were told to petition (which we already did). If we were to go the right way with this, it would feel best to actually see the prints black on white who did this. However, we have learned who it is by other means, so this would only be the definite proof.
2: We're issuing a corp war against the bastards who did this, but the vote seem bugged and we can't get it through. There's bugged vote too that's impossible to retract, so we have to wait for this petition to go through too. TIME TIME TIME. We see them freighting our stuff away from our station in their indys, helpless, we can't do a thing!
So instead of being able to nail the ones who did this to us, we're sitting there unable to do anything. We're mining up some more minerals so we can build ammo for the war, that's it, talking to eachother and motivate eachother to stay in the game. We've bought all copies back, so it's no danger there either. Items is no problem since we all have what we need to blast them back to stoneage and keep ourselves rolling, but the tech II items, the blueprint originals... Man I don't wanna think about how many people who have worked so hard for a long time to make Genco what it was.
We still have all the battleship originals as we had them researching in personal hangars of corp alts, but it still is no fun. This will definately be a game breaker for a lot of our members, but some of us will continue to fight for the small bit of judification we can. IF CCP JUST WOULDN'T MAKE US WAIT.
This crap is killing me.
In some ways, this could also have been the best that ever happened to us. Now we have nothing to guard, no base to return to. We have our dedicated players and now we're free to do anything.
What will happen with our corp, we don't know.
But I sure as hell know that the pitiful liars and dishonorable thiefs of Rebels Ltd will forever crawl on their knees until they decide to quit this game.
Rufus Kex
CEO of Genco
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:03:00 -
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CCP are chumps to allow this level of theft with out the ability to get the stuff back. You'll get a bunch of "shiva will save you" but of course it wont. you can't RP a corp beucase you can't trust anyone beucase there is no punishment.
I say quit the game or go nasty horrid pirate and make others quit, take the money from CCP, other wise they will shine you on like everyone. *no I'm not cynical after a year dealing with CCP's poor service HA!!!*
but hey I'll still buy the office for 30m :)
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:03:00 -
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CCP are chumps to allow this level of theft with out the ability to get the stuff back. You'll get a bunch of "shiva will save you" but of course it wont. you can't RP a corp beucase you can't trust anyone beucase there is no punishment.
I say quit the game or go nasty horrid pirate and make others quit, take the money from CCP, other wise they will shine you on like everyone. *no I'm not cynical after a year dealing with CCP's poor service HA!!!*
but hey I'll still buy the office for 30m :)
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:05:00 -
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Ouch that sucks.
It would be nice to see the Corp Security Part of Shiva released earlier.
Its one of the main points in eve where the game actually sucks.
Theft and all is an important part of the game, it however is currently only a one sided part where you have no chance of getting anything back. Even if you would figure out who did it.
Of course, theres no real point in posting this because its not like anything will chance 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:05:00 -
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Ouch that sucks.
It would be nice to see the Corp Security Part of Shiva released earlier.
Its one of the main points in eve where the game actually sucks.
Theft and all is an important part of the game, it however is currently only a one sided part where you have no chance of getting anything back. Even if you would figure out who did it.
Of course, theres no real point in posting this because its not like anything will chance
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Old Winter
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:10:00 -
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thank goodness for the bit of luck that had those BS BPO tucked away.
This sort of stuff is really dis-heartening, but I am sure your corp will have the resiliance to get through this setback.
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Old Winter
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:10:00 -
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thank goodness for the bit of luck that had those BS BPO tucked away.
This sort of stuff is really dis-heartening, but I am sure your corp will have the resiliance to get through this setback.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:23:00 -
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Aye!
I was part of Genco from August 2003 to June 2004 and I am one of them that dedicated countless hours, days and weeks for the sole purpose of strengthening Genco. Now everything is gone, stolen by some petty players wanting to form their own future in their own corp. Well they have at this point, they'll be brandished as THIEVES and I'll personally hunt them for the remaining days I play EVE.
Wherever I see any of them in the future, I'll make sure they'll be podded.
This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors. I were also part of Ion Corp in Earth & Beyond with at least Drakowolf.
Now they are the masterminds behind this big corptheft, I don't think there have been a bigger one in EVE ever.
Rebels Ltd is the name of the corp. Drakowolf, Harberk, Apostle Benedict and Dragoon Sword are four of the purpetrators we have proof of stealing from Genco.
Please greet them whenever you see them, with a well aimed missile or a turret and blast them to pieces.
And the bugged declaration of war that Rufus have done is even more sad, because I still am using the Genco ventriloserver to talk with my longterm friends. I can hear them read up what their cargoscans tell of the Rebels Ltd ships outside Genco HQ. Almost everything they read up is easily identified as property of Genco, until the thieves made it their own property. Now they will be able to get everything out of there before the war kicks in and Genco can start killing them, sanctioned by Concorde.
You guys have stolen everything that three (Genco have merged twice with other corps - Imperial Dragoons and Absolut Profit) corps have accumulated over the course of EVE since the start. You guys have been part of building it, and now you decided you were the sole rightful owners of it. You guys are going to history and you'll be remembered as major corp thieves.
I hope you'll be punished righfully for your crimes ingame. I curse myself for giving you guys access to Gencos corphangars & wallet. But remember one thing, you'll never be safe from me again.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:23:00 -
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Aye!
I was part of Genco from August 2003 to June 2004 and I am one of them that dedicated countless hours, days and weeks for the sole purpose of strengthening Genco. Now everything is gone, stolen by some petty players wanting to form their own future in their own corp. Well they have at this point, they'll be brandished as THIEVES and I'll personally hunt them for the remaining days I play EVE.
Wherever I see any of them in the future, I'll make sure they'll be podded.
This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors. I were also part of Ion Corp in Earth & Beyond with at least Drakowolf.
Now they are the masterminds behind this big corptheft, I don't think there have been a bigger one in EVE ever.
Rebels Ltd is the name of the corp. Drakowolf, Harberk, Apostle Benedict and Dragoon Sword are four of the purpetrators we have proof of stealing from Genco.
Please greet them whenever you see them, with a well aimed missile or a turret and blast them to pieces.
And the bugged declaration of war that Rufus have done is even more sad, because I still am using the Genco ventriloserver to talk with my longterm friends. I can hear them read up what their cargoscans tell of the Rebels Ltd ships outside Genco HQ. Almost everything they read up is easily identified as property of Genco, until the thieves made it their own property. Now they will be able to get everything out of there before the war kicks in and Genco can start killing them, sanctioned by Concorde.
You guys have stolen everything that three (Genco have merged twice with other corps - Imperial Dragoons and Absolut Profit) corps have accumulated over the course of EVE since the start. You guys have been part of building it, and now you decided you were the sole rightful owners of it. You guys are going to history and you'll be remembered as major corp thieves.
I hope you'll be punished righfully for your crimes ingame. I curse myself for giving you guys access to Gencos corphangars & wallet. But remember one thing, you'll never be safe from me again.
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Modesty Blaise
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:28:00 -
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Sad story
Personally I would like to be a corp thief but as it is now I cant break in into hangars with skills and steal. I must instead use an wasteable alt and manipulate peoples IRL feelings to give me access and then betray them. And then it isnt a game anymore but a real scam. I believe that those that can pull out those scams ingame also are able to pull off scams IRL. I wouldnt be to surprised if many of them are real criminal trash IRL. Much of what they steal will most likely end up on Ebay
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Modesty Blaise
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:28:00 -
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Sad story
Personally I would like to be a corp thief but as it is now I cant break in into hangars with skills and steal. I must instead use an wasteable alt and manipulate peoples IRL feelings to give me access and then betray them. And then it isnt a game anymore but a real scam. I believe that those that can pull out those scams ingame also are able to pull off scams IRL. I wouldnt be to surprised if many of them are real criminal trash IRL. Much of what they steal will most likely end up on Ebay
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:47:00 -
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And the morale of the story is: Don't trust anyone...
As for corporation votes being bugged, show me the paper to sign the petition to get it fixed and I'll sign.
I recently petitioned corp. votes for the 4th. time and was told that it "was not a bug". I laugh at the feeble attempts to deliver BS replies to petitions.
Corp. votes are bugged, fix 'em, and while you're at it, please FIX THE DRONES!!!
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:47:00 -
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And the morale of the story is: Don't trust anyone...
As for corporation votes being bugged, show me the paper to sign the petition to get it fixed and I'll sign.
I recently petitioned corp. votes for the 4th. time and was told that it "was not a bug". I laugh at the feeble attempts to deliver BS replies to petitions.
Corp. votes are bugged, fix 'em, and while you're at it, please FIX THE DRONES!!!
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Ta'krite
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:59:00 -
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I have to say allowing every one access to your bpo's was a major oversite and not to mention really realy stupid. how long had this alt been a memeber of your corp?
we at ote do not give access lighty and only our directors have access to the corp wallet and bpo/bpc
if some one wants something they can see whats there but they have to ask someone with access t give it to them, we had a corp thief once, we podded him till he gave it back, it was only the stuff in our free and junk sections but it was a lesson quickly learned.
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Ta'krite
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Posted - 2004.07.25 21:59:00 -
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I have to say allowing every one access to your bpo's was a major oversite and not to mention really realy stupid. how long had this alt been a memeber of your corp?
we at ote do not give access lighty and only our directors have access to the corp wallet and bpo/bpc
if some one wants something they can see whats there but they have to ask someone with access t give it to them, we had a corp thief once, we podded him till he gave it back, it was only the stuff in our free and junk sections but it was a lesson quickly learned.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 22:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Ta'krite
I have to say allowing every one access to your bpo's was a major oversite and not to mention really realy stupid. how long had this alt been a memeber of your corp?
we at ote do not give access lighty and only our directors have access to the corp wallet and bpo/bpc
We didn't allow everone access to it, maybe I wasn't too clear.
The man who left the corp the day before the theft was the Research Director Harberk, and he and another member were the only ones in the corp except the inner circle of RL friends who had director access.
And these are of course, the only ones who had access to the secure blueprint hangar.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ta'krite
I have to say allowing every one access to your bpo's was a major oversite and not to mention really realy stupid. how long had this alt been a memeber of your corp?
we at ote do not give access lighty and only our directors have access to the corp wallet and bpo/bpc
We didn't allow everone access to it, maybe I wasn't too clear.
The man who left the corp the day before the theft was the Research Director Harberk, and he and another member were the only ones in the corp except the inner circle of RL friends who had director access.
And these are of course, the only ones who had access to the secure blueprint hangar.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.07.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: nieo
Aye!
This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors.
You whaaat ? You made 2 suspected corp thieves directors of your corp ? LOL !!
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.07.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: nieo
Aye!
This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors.
You whaaat ? You made 2 suspected corp thieves directors of your corp ? LOL !!
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.25 22:53:00 -
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I had played with them in Ion Corps Earth & Beyond division and had some discussions and talks with the CEO of Ion Corp before allowing them access to anything.
I gave them my trust. They didn't return it.
I'm not part of Genco anymore with a character, but I'm part of Genco IRL sort of speak. Thankfully its just a game.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.25 22:53:00 -
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I had played with them in Ion Corps Earth & Beyond division and had some discussions and talks with the CEO of Ion Corp before allowing them access to anything.
I gave them my trust. They didn't return it.
I'm not part of Genco anymore with a character, but I'm part of Genco IRL sort of speak. Thankfully its just a game.
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Richard Villiers
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus Kex
I know that this is our own fault in the end, as we are the ones who put our trust out free for all, (...)
Well said.
Originally by: Rufus Kex
We see them freighting our stuff away from our station in their indys, helpless, we can't do a thing!
So instead of being able to nail the ones who did this to us, we're sitting there unable to do anything.
I'm sure there's no problem with sacrificing 1-2 people's clones who gank the indies and 2-3 others who pick up the loot? Even if you lose some of the BPOs by doing so, I'm pretty sure the overall losses are not as bad as losing everything...
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
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Richard Villiers
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus Kex
I know that this is our own fault in the end, as we are the ones who put our trust out free for all, (...)
Well said.
Originally by: Rufus Kex
We see them freighting our stuff away from our station in their indys, helpless, we can't do a thing!
So instead of being able to nail the ones who did this to us, we're sitting there unable to do anything.
I'm sure there's no problem with sacrificing 1-2 people's clones who gank the indies and 2-3 others who pick up the loot? Even if you lose some of the BPOs by doing so, I'm pretty sure the overall losses are not as bad as losing everything...
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:11:00 -
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CCP had nothing to do with this corp theft !
I too get new members into my little corp and it is pretty easy to tell after a real short time who may be worth trusting and who may not. DO NOT GRANT ACCESS unless you know those players you wish to grant access to your crown jewels very very well and for a very long time !
The bottom line is this : Corp Theives are only able to steal from lazy corporations that either don't know or don't care about excercising good corp security over their valuables. Peeps get lazy and grant inappropriate levels of access to those who they don't know very long.
Rules of Thumb for Good Corp Security :
(1). NEVER grant access to anyone to the valuables unless you have known them for 6 months or more !
(2). Store the valuables in the CEO's personal hangar !
(3). If you must store the valuables in the corp hangar then store them in one of the hangars NOBODY ever gets access to other than the most trusted members of the corp.
Get lazy and grant access to a possible corp thief and you lose just like it happens in real life. Learn how to judge character and you won't have problems with corp thieves. |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:11:00 -
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CCP had nothing to do with this corp theft !
I too get new members into my little corp and it is pretty easy to tell after a real short time who may be worth trusting and who may not. DO NOT GRANT ACCESS unless you know those players you wish to grant access to your crown jewels very very well and for a very long time !
The bottom line is this : Corp Theives are only able to steal from lazy corporations that either don't know or don't care about excercising good corp security over their valuables. Peeps get lazy and grant inappropriate levels of access to those who they don't know very long.
Rules of Thumb for Good Corp Security :
(1). NEVER grant access to anyone to the valuables unless you have known them for 6 months or more !
(2). Store the valuables in the CEO's personal hangar !
(3). If you must store the valuables in the corp hangar then store them in one of the hangars NOBODY ever gets access to other than the most trusted members of the corp.
Get lazy and grant access to a possible corp thief and you lose just like it happens in real life. Learn how to judge character and you won't have problems with corp thieves. |
Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Villiers
I'm sure there's no problem with sacrificing 1-2 people's clones who gank the indies and 2-3 others who pick up the loot? Even if you lose some of the BPOs by doing so, I'm pretty sure the overall losses are not as bad as losing everything...
I'm pretty sure they transported the originals in a battleship the first thing they did, it would be how I'd do it anyway. What they are transporting away now is mainly the tech II components and other stuff that alone doesn't mean too much to us. I just want to hurt them. And get our originals back, it's what means most to us. However I've given up the hope on that, so I'll concentrate on hurting them.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Villiers
I'm sure there's no problem with sacrificing 1-2 people's clones who gank the indies and 2-3 others who pick up the loot? Even if you lose some of the BPOs by doing so, I'm pretty sure the overall losses are not as bad as losing everything...
I'm pretty sure they transported the originals in a battleship the first thing they did, it would be how I'd do it anyway. What they are transporting away now is mainly the tech II components and other stuff that alone doesn't mean too much to us. I just want to hurt them. And get our originals back, it's what means most to us. However I've given up the hope on that, so I'll concentrate on hurting them.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
CCP had nothing to do with this corp theft !
Who accused CCP of this theft?
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
The bottom line is this : Corp Theives are only able to steal from lazy corporations that either don't know or don't care about excercising good corp security over their valuables. Peeps get lazy and grant inappropriate levels of access to those who they don't know very long.
Well, Harberk were a part of Genco between october and june. He helped building the corp up, he even supplied the corp with a Tech II blueprint original that made us a lot of isk (he didn't get the components, so it was more or less worthless to him on his own). When we decided to research the battleship originals in personal hangars of corp research alts (he WAS the director of research, remember), things went downhill apparently.
Suppose he had a motive.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
CCP had nothing to do with this corp theft !
Who accused CCP of this theft?
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
The bottom line is this : Corp Theives are only able to steal from lazy corporations that either don't know or don't care about excercising good corp security over their valuables. Peeps get lazy and grant inappropriate levels of access to those who they don't know very long.
Well, Harberk were a part of Genco between october and june. He helped building the corp up, he even supplied the corp with a Tech II blueprint original that made us a lot of isk (he didn't get the components, so it was more or less worthless to him on his own). When we decided to research the battleship originals in personal hangars of corp research alts (he WAS the director of research, remember), things went downhill apparently.
Suppose he had a motive.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:29:00 -
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I hope you get the bastards.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:29:00 -
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I hope you get the bastards.
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Seras Victoria
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Posted - 2004.07.26 06:19:00 -
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I look forward to helping Genco make these bastards pay. 
I have a LOT of ammo sitting here for you DrakoWolf & Harberk...
Genco has my full support in this operation. The next few months of my eve life are dedicated to making Rebels Ltd. pay for this treachery.
-- Seras Victoria.
Ex Genco Member of 7 months.
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Seras Victoria
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Posted - 2004.07.26 06:19:00 -
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I look forward to helping Genco make these bastards pay.
I have a LOT of ammo sitting here for you DrakoWolf & Harberk...
Genco has my full support in this operation. The next few months of my eve life are dedicated to making Rebels Ltd. pay for this treachery.
-- Seras Victoria.
Ex Genco Member of 7 months.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.07.26 06:35:00 -
[35]
Sad. I find this sort of thing distasteful, but the fact of the matter is that a periodic review of member permissions would fix a lot of these thefts.
Another solution is to only use BPCs when making battleships and such. The only thing stored in corp hangars should be COPIES. Yeah, so it takes a day or two longer (less usually) to get a production run off of a copy, but so what? The BPOs of anything valuable should be on a reasearch alt in another corp entirely. Burn off copies of anything needed and then put those in the production hangar.
Why people store T2 and BS BPOs, hell... ANY BPO in a common area of any sort is just beyond my comprehension.
Sorry to hear it, GENCO, I really am, but until people learn to take proper steps against this sort of thing, it will continue to happen over and over.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.07.26 06:35:00 -
[36]
Sad. I find this sort of thing distasteful, but the fact of the matter is that a periodic review of member permissions would fix a lot of these thefts.
Another solution is to only use BPCs when making battleships and such. The only thing stored in corp hangars should be COPIES. Yeah, so it takes a day or two longer (less usually) to get a production run off of a copy, but so what? The BPOs of anything valuable should be on a reasearch alt in another corp entirely. Burn off copies of anything needed and then put those in the production hangar.
Why people store T2 and BS BPOs, hell... ANY BPO in a common area of any sort is just beyond my comprehension.
Sorry to hear it, GENCO, I really am, but until people learn to take proper steps against this sort of thing, it will continue to happen over and over.
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Wishdokkta
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Posted - 2004.07.26 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wishdokkta on 26/07/2004 07:41:09
Hmm. Dont know Genco, and have never heard of these theives. That said, my condolances on the loss of your assets, I dont think you can be blamed for bad judgement, you obviously knew this guy. Lets just hope that CCP get this whole corp-theif thing sorted with shiva, in the meantime these thieves will be added to FREEKS-U ****list. It will be our pleasure to deliver their corpses to you should we encounter them on our urm....excursions shall we say  Bad luck again and good luck in handing their arses to them.
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Wishdokkta
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Posted - 2004.07.26 07:39:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Wishdokkta on 26/07/2004 07:41:09
Hmm. Dont know Genco, and have never heard of these theives. That said, my condolances on the loss of your assets, I dont think you can be blamed for bad judgement, you obviously knew this guy. Lets just hope that CCP get this whole corp-theif thing sorted with shiva, in the meantime these thieves will be added to FREEKS-U ****list. It will be our pleasure to deliver their corpses to you should we encounter them on our urm....excursions shall we say Bad luck again and good luck in handing their arses to them.
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Toma Hawk
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Posted - 2004.07.26 08:56:00 -
[39]
i feel sorrow to hear that a honoured Corp like GENCO got hit hard with the worst thing that can happen in EVE.
i hope you stay, rebuild GENCO and satisfy your revenge
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Toma Hawk
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Posted - 2004.07.26 08:56:00 -
[40]
i feel sorrow to hear that a honoured Corp like GENCO got hit hard with the worst thing that can happen in EVE.
i hope you stay, rebuild GENCO and satisfy your revenge
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:16:00 -
[41]
ROLMAO im in tears,fair play to the thief haul of a lifetime another carebear corp shafted GREAT ONE!!!!
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:16:00 -
[42]
ROLMAO im in tears,fair play to the thief haul of a lifetime another carebear corp shafted GREAT ONE!!!!
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:43:00 -
[43]
I am outraged at what people can get away with in this game. The amount of backstabing that goes on in this game is insane.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:43:00 -
[44]
I am outraged at what people can get away with in this game. The amount of backstabing that goes on in this game is insane.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:45:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Fuse
I am outraged at what people can get away with in this game. The amount of backstabing that goes on in this game is insane.
Eve mirrors real life, unfortunately.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:45:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Fuse
I am outraged at what people can get away with in this game. The amount of backstabing that goes on in this game is insane.
Eve mirrors real life, unfortunately.
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Lanu
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Posted - 2004.07.26 10:56:00 -
[47]
Ill kill them when i can i can't stand this kind of people 
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Lanu
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Posted - 2004.07.26 10:56:00 -
[48]
Ill kill them when i can i can't stand this kind of people
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Harmonic
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Posted - 2004.07.26 11:16:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:59
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:36
Although I feel very sad that this has happened to former corp mates and friends i must raise a point.
Was there not a corp theft previously where a warning was left about the openness of security? I know that the person who stole the bpo's was a director and "friend". I just think that perhaps its best that the BPO's are kept somewhere where only the ceo can access them?
I know this is locking the door after the horse has bolted but perhaps other corps can learn from this tragedy!
If i can help Genco with anything please let me know.
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Harmonic
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Posted - 2004.07.26 11:16:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:59
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:36
Although I feel very sad that this has happened to former corp mates and friends i must raise a point.
Was there not a corp theft previously where a warning was left about the openness of security? I know that the person who stole the bpo's was a director and "friend". I just think that perhaps its best that the BPO's are kept somewhere where only the ceo can access them?
I know this is locking the door after the horse has bolted but perhaps other corps can learn from this tragedy!
If i can help Genco with anything please let me know.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.26 13:53:00 -
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THIS SUCKS
I was in Shadow Legacy for a long time we also had problems with Corp theft (mostly just public and W&A hangers) and i can only hope that come Shiva there will be some way of tracking down these scummy peoble
like someone else said these peoble are scammers nothing more nothing less and its a sad thing that CCP has done nothing before now to protect the corp's
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.26 13:53:00 -
[52]
THIS SUCKS
I was in Shadow Legacy for a long time we also had problems with Corp theft (mostly just public and W&A hangers) and i can only hope that come Shiva there will be some way of tracking down these scummy peoble
like someone else said these peoble are scammers nothing more nothing less and its a sad thing that CCP has done nothing before now to protect the corp's
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.26 13:57:00 -
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Harmonic, afaik all that was missing at that point was later returned with a note saying "check your security". Considering 90% of the ones with access is IRL friends, should you go all out paranoid?
It is a game. Your only asset here is your word and your capability of honor it. Trust. Without trust you are nothing.
I have to admit though, they did a great job getting that trust over the course of several months. I've moved on from Genco but still feel as if they took MY stuff.
And you never take a Sharks stuff without getting bitten 
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.26 13:57:00 -
[54]
Harmonic, afaik all that was missing at that point was later returned with a note saying "check your security". Considering 90% of the ones with access is IRL friends, should you go all out paranoid?
It is a game. Your only asset here is your word and your capability of honor it. Trust. Without trust you are nothing.
I have to admit though, they did a great job getting that trust over the course of several months. I've moved on from Genco but still feel as if they took MY stuff.
And you never take a Sharks stuff without getting bitten
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.26 14:26:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Nicholas Marshal
Eve mirrors real life, unfortunately.
Unfortunetly for these guys, criminals get punished in real life, here they get away with it.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.26 14:26:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Nicholas Marshal
Eve mirrors real life, unfortunately.
Unfortunetly for these guys, criminals get punished in real life, here they get away with it.
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HDCamper Itsim
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:36:00 -
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EvilJohn
Your either roleplaying or never had too much taken from or you just haven't worked hard and had it ripped from you with no hope of getting it back. What you have said is rude and your just being a troll. Move along.
Back to the topic..
BTW don't get those fellows confused with the current ION members in game. I'm sure if other ION members read the forums they would pipe in and say this sucks hard and sorry for the loss.
CCP really needs to ***** down on this crap. You would think that if they were trying to fix thefts of this nature as "not what they intended to have happen in game" they would take a look and just not say sorry for your loss keep paying your monthly fees. Everyone playing EVE isn't a thief but this doesn't make for a very meaningful international corp type of game. Perhaps they have taken action in the past about corp thieves - I haven't read much where as they have. The Scam business looks as rampant as ever and expect it to get worse before any possible fixes. Bounties are roughly worthless. All the scammers have to do is buy another character or create a new one and transfer there stuff over and leave the other corp and character there as a target til the subscription is over or just not login with it any longer. There is hardly a way to get any satisfaction or justice when your a victim in this game by these types of "players". Yeah, every situation is probably different and needs to be handled differently but currently I don't see how there can be much retaliation in game to this behavior. Petition sure don't look to be the answer if the information they send ya back is yes it looks like the following characters were involved. If you do get the oportunity to pod them repeatedly more power to you. I also hope it was a GM who said petition it, at least that is some hope they may do something. I don't even wish corp theft on the "wherever the list went to of the most hated corps in EVE." Hope the majority of people in EVE doesn't think this is simply scamming....
If CCP/Concord has made corp thieves pay - Id like to read about it in the news.
Sorry for your loss
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HDCamper Itsim
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:36:00 -
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EvilJohn
Your either roleplaying or never had too much taken from or you just haven't worked hard and had it ripped from you with no hope of getting it back. What you have said is rude and your just being a troll. Move along.
Back to the topic..
BTW don't get those fellows confused with the current ION members in game. I'm sure if other ION members read the forums they would pipe in and say this sucks hard and sorry for the loss.
CCP really needs to ***** down on this crap. You would think that if they were trying to fix thefts of this nature as "not what they intended to have happen in game" they would take a look and just not say sorry for your loss keep paying your monthly fees. Everyone playing EVE isn't a thief but this doesn't make for a very meaningful international corp type of game. Perhaps they have taken action in the past about corp thieves - I haven't read much where as they have. The Scam business looks as rampant as ever and expect it to get worse before any possible fixes. Bounties are roughly worthless. All the scammers have to do is buy another character or create a new one and transfer there stuff over and leave the other corp and character there as a target til the subscription is over or just not login with it any longer. There is hardly a way to get any satisfaction or justice when your a victim in this game by these types of "players". Yeah, every situation is probably different and needs to be handled differently but currently I don't see how there can be much retaliation in game to this behavior. Petition sure don't look to be the answer if the information they send ya back is yes it looks like the following characters were involved. If you do get the oportunity to pod them repeatedly more power to you. I also hope it was a GM who said petition it, at least that is some hope they may do something. I don't even wish corp theft on the "wherever the list went to of the most hated corps in EVE." Hope the majority of people in EVE doesn't think this is simply scamming....
If CCP/Concord has made corp thieves pay - Id like to read about it in the news.
Sorry for your loss
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:54:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Kaaii on 26/07/2004 16:02:45
I think whats really sadest about this (and other incidents like it), is that the "hard working, honest folks" finish last.
You see it every day. Corp thieves bragging about there "accomplishments" (sic), ore thieves pounding thier chest claiming they are l337, escrow scams, lab slot/office slot scammers making more in a few short minutes then someone mineing, killing rats, bounty hunting or even pirating can make in hours of play.
This game favors (and rewards) the wicked.
I won't begin to open the "morals" can of worms, because it is a game, not real life, and those two don't compare.
I will say this, however, that it is a sad reflection of the current mindset of those who value the "instant gratification" of themselves, over the general populations feeling that someones hard work should be worth more then w*h*o*r*e*ing thier personnal reputation out to the highest bidder..
Wishing you a speedy return to prosperity...
Kaaii
Lead Scientist
IDEV
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:54:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Kaaii on 26/07/2004 16:02:45
I think whats really sadest about this (and other incidents like it), is that the "hard working, honest folks" finish last.
You see it every day. Corp thieves bragging about there "accomplishments" (sic), ore thieves pounding thier chest claiming they are l337, escrow scams, lab slot/office slot scammers making more in a few short minutes then someone mineing, killing rats, bounty hunting or even pirating can make in hours of play.
This game favors (and rewards) the wicked.
I won't begin to open the "morals" can of worms, because it is a game, not real life, and those two don't compare.
I will say this, however, that it is a sad reflection of the current mindset of those who value the "instant gratification" of themselves, over the general populations feeling that someones hard work should be worth more then w*h*o*r*e*ing thier personnal reputation out to the highest bidder..
Wishing you a speedy return to prosperity...
Kaaii
Lead Scientist
IDEV
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:55:00 -
[61]
the thing is its not theft its a scam IMHO you fool someone into thinking you are a friend and then takes everything they have
a theft would be some skills in game that would enable you to Copy and or steal BPO or maybe even items from a corp you DO NOT BELONG TO that would be a theft but the place for that is the new idear lab and not in here 
as for the scammers they should be banned from the game plain and simple or at the very least get a criminal flagging asigned to their Charectors
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:55:00 -
[62]
the thing is its not theft its a scam IMHO you fool someone into thinking you are a friend and then takes everything they have
a theft would be some skills in game that would enable you to Copy and or steal BPO or maybe even items from a corp you DO NOT BELONG TO that would be a theft but the place for that is the new idear lab and not in here
as for the scammers they should be banned from the game plain and simple or at the very least get a criminal flagging asigned to their Charectors
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Bible Dave
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Posted - 2004.07.26 16:38:00 -
[63]
hey! .. ladz who knicked all the stuff!! ...
you got owt for sale ??? wouldnt mind some nice bpo's .. rofl
muahahaaha
www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page |
Bible Dave
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Posted - 2004.07.26 16:38:00 -
[64]
hey! .. ladz who knicked all the stuff!! ...
you got owt for sale ??? wouldnt mind some nice bpo's .. rofl
muahahaaha
www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page |
Bible Dave
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Posted - 2004.07.26 16:40:00 -
[65]
thats another zillion hours mining for u carebears !! ... rofl
arrrrhh jim lad .. there be pirates about
www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page |
Bible Dave
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Posted - 2004.07.26 16:40:00 -
[66]
thats another zillion hours mining for u carebears !! ... rofl
arrrrhh jim lad .. there be pirates about
www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page |
Percivs
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Posted - 2004.07.26 17:10:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Harmonic
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:59
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:36
Although I feel very sad that this has happened to former corp mates and friends i must raise a point.
Was there not a corp theft previously where a warning was left about the openness of security? I know that the person who stole the bpo's was a director and "friend". I just think that perhaps its best that the BPO's are kept somewhere where only the ceo can access them?
I know this is locking the door after the horse has bolted but perhaps other corps can learn from this tragedy!
If i can help Genco with anything please let me know.
I think it's very big of Harmonic to offer his assistance to Genco. Especially since he was (imho) wrongly accused of theft several months ago, on a much smaller scale.
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I met a lot of good people when I worked for Genco. If I can lend support, just let me know.
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Percivs
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Posted - 2004.07.26 17:10:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Harmonic
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:59
Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:36
Although I feel very sad that this has happened to former corp mates and friends i must raise a point.
Was there not a corp theft previously where a warning was left about the openness of security? I know that the person who stole the bpo's was a director and "friend". I just think that perhaps its best that the BPO's are kept somewhere where only the ceo can access them?
I know this is locking the door after the horse has bolted but perhaps other corps can learn from this tragedy!
If i can help Genco with anything please let me know.
I think it's very big of Harmonic to offer his assistance to Genco. Especially since he was (imho) wrongly accused of theft several months ago, on a much smaller scale.
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I met a lot of good people when I worked for Genco. If I can lend support, just let me know.
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"All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E. |
Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.26 18:30:00 -
[69]
Originally by: nieo
This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors. I were also part of Ion Corp in Earth & Beyond with at least Drakowolf.
How does that saying go? Somone tricks you once shame on them. Someone tricks you twice shame on you.
I have to say I am amazed at how easily others will overlook past behavior thinking that this time whoever it is will be nice and honest. If you know someone pulled a dirty, underhanded maneuver on someone else why would anyone ever let that person get their hands on the keys again? People who have shown it is in their character to badly scam someone is never to be trusted...even if it was an enemy of your who was scammed initially and you are happy about it. Almost more a question of when, not if, that person will do the same again to you someday.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.26 18:30:00 -
[70]
Originally by: nieo
This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors. I were also part of Ion Corp in Earth & Beyond with at least Drakowolf.
How does that saying go? Somone tricks you once shame on them. Someone tricks you twice shame on you.
I have to say I am amazed at how easily others will overlook past behavior thinking that this time whoever it is will be nice and honest. If you know someone pulled a dirty, underhanded maneuver on someone else why would anyone ever let that person get their hands on the keys again? People who have shown it is in their character to badly scam someone is never to be trusted...even if it was an enemy of your who was scammed initially and you are happy about it. Almost more a question of when, not if, that person will do the same again to you someday.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.26 18:36:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Percivs
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money.
My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe.
Just a guess...
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.26 18:36:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Percivs
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money.
My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe.
Just a guess...
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Percivs
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Posted - 2004.07.26 19:09:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Percivs
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money.
My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe.
Just a guess...
I agree with your surmise. I doubt that CCP (or anyone) can think of a 100% fullproof way to prevent corp theft. It basically comes down to two factors: (1) There will always be dishonest people, people ready to take advantage of your trust, and more importantly (2) Just about everyone has a price at which they will betray someone else. Usually, the penalty dissuades most people, but the only real penalty in Eve is the potential loss of friends. Sadly, it's hard to feel someone else's pain when they're just bits and pixels.
I'm hoping the contract system offsets some of the lack of justice inherent in the system. (We should see more information before the end of the month, one of the CSM chats indicated that CCP intends to update it before months end, since at this point, they're pretty much at a feature freeze for Shiva.)
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Percivs
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Posted - 2004.07.26 19:09:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Percivs
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money.
My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe.
Just a guess...
I agree with your surmise. I doubt that CCP (or anyone) can think of a 100% fullproof way to prevent corp theft. It basically comes down to two factors: (1) There will always be dishonest people, people ready to take advantage of your trust, and more importantly (2) Just about everyone has a price at which they will betray someone else. Usually, the penalty dissuades most people, but the only real penalty in Eve is the potential loss of friends. Sadly, it's hard to feel someone else's pain when they're just bits and pixels.
I'm hoping the contract system offsets some of the lack of justice inherent in the system. (We should see more information before the end of the month, one of the CSM chats indicated that CCP intends to update it before months end, since at this point, they're pretty much at a feature freeze for Shiva.)
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"All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E. |
Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.26 19:43:00 -
[75]
Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so. Damn, with friends like that who needs enemies.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.26 19:43:00 -
[76]
Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so. Damn, with friends like that who needs enemies.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:18:00 -
[77]
<---also former member of Genco
they better stay out of my way cos im not gonna show mercy.
ill help anyway i can to **** those ****s up :@:@:@:@
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:18:00 -
[78]
<---also former member of Genco
they better stay out of my way cos im not gonna show mercy.
ill help anyway i can to **** those ****s up :@:@:@:@
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Cordova
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:41:00 -
[79]
This is truely a sad day for Genco.
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Cordova
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:41:00 -
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This is truely a sad day for Genco.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Percivs
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money.
My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe.
Just a guess...
Nothing in eve is newbie friendly.
If you look back over the last 6 months of patching you'll see that CCP is slowly working to add in more protection for newplayers.
Criminal flagging
Sentry gun changes
Market warnings
Insurance
and so on.
The funniest thing are the players that solely crave the pvp and are up in arms about things like sentry guns and insurance.
Who exactly do they think they'll have to shoot once they remove insurance and 'safe' ways for the bulk of the players in eve to make money?
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Ashelth on 26/07/2004 20:44:34
bah I = moron
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Ashelth on 26/07/2004 20:44:34
bah I = moron
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Percivs
Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment.
I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money.
My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe.
Just a guess...
Nothing in eve is newbie friendly.
If you look back over the last 6 months of patching you'll see that CCP is slowly working to add in more protection for newplayers.
Criminal flagging
Sentry gun changes
Market warnings
Insurance
and so on.
The funniest thing are the players that solely crave the pvp and are up in arms about things like sentry guns and insurance.
Who exactly do they think they'll have to shoot once they remove insurance and 'safe' ways for the bulk of the players in eve to make money?
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.07.26 21:25:00 -
[85]
Killing the innocent of eve amuses me, but ther is a point where the fun and games stop.
These 2 people are the scum of eve, and the worst thing is, no matter how many times u podkill them and take their ships, they arnt ever gonna be poor again. U dont have any way of getting retribution really.
No matter how many bs and clones they lose it dosnt matter,, because what they stole is almost priceless. Hope ur corp stays together, but my advice is to move on.
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.07.26 21:25:00 -
[86]
Killing the innocent of eve amuses me, but ther is a point where the fun and games stop.
These 2 people are the scum of eve, and the worst thing is, no matter how many times u podkill them and take their ships, they arnt ever gonna be poor again. U dont have any way of getting retribution really.
No matter how many bs and clones they lose it dosnt matter,, because what they stole is almost priceless. Hope ur corp stays together, but my advice is to move on.
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.26 22:44:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Jael Markinsen
Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so.
They aren't pirates (in the definition of Eve anyway), as far as I know.
I've confronted Drakowolf about this numerous times, but they won't even admit to their crimes. They claim innocence, but they don't realize they have the evidence sticking out of their a**es. He will claim innocence until the day he himself believes he's innocent.
That's what saddens me the most, that they can't even admit to the lousy thievery they made.
*shakes head*
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.26 22:44:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Jael Markinsen
Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so.
They aren't pirates (in the definition of Eve anyway), as far as I know.
I've confronted Drakowolf about this numerous times, but they won't even admit to their crimes. They claim innocence, but they don't realize they have the evidence sticking out of their a**es. He will claim innocence until the day he himself believes he's innocent.
That's what saddens me the most, that they can't even admit to the lousy thievery they made.
*shakes head*
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Dopefish
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Posted - 2004.07.26 22:46:00 -
[89]
Your behind hurts at first but you get over it.
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Dopefish
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Posted - 2004.07.26 22:46:00 -
[90]
Your behind hurts at first but you get over it.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:21:00 -
[91]
Sweet signature Dopefish. And I haven't started working on them yet.
Drakowolf still refuses to acknowledge the crime and he even stated on CFS forums that I shouldn't be trusting him even after playing games with him for over a year. That's how honest & trustworthy he is apparently, this is the first time he expresses it himself. Go check it out for yourself if you like.
I myself just wanna chew their meaty behinds, now they are forced to sit docked to prevent being killed.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:21:00 -
[92]
Sweet signature Dopefish. And I haven't started working on them yet.
Drakowolf still refuses to acknowledge the crime and he even stated on CFS forums that I shouldn't be trusting him even after playing games with him for over a year. That's how honest & trustworthy he is apparently, this is the first time he expresses it himself. Go check it out for yourself if you like.
I myself just wanna chew their meaty behinds, now they are forced to sit docked to prevent being killed.
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Nublaak
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:21:00 -
[93]
You know what really hurts?
The fact that 3 days after the theft we are still unable to declare war because of a bug and a slow petition system.
The fact that because of a loophole (exploit?) someone with director access could leave the corp without having to wait the 24 hours period since he took away his rights and thus loosing all the logs.
The fact that once a player leaves the corp you can't audit the past activity in the corp.
What really gets me is that in all online games I've played it was either you had a way to have player justice (PvP, wars, etc.) and so scamming/stealing was ok or there was no player justice and thus scamming/stealing wasn't permitted and the GMs would make sure that you got your stuff back in that case. Here scamming/stealing is OK so forget about the GM help but player justice isn't possible because their system is bugged
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Nublaak
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:21:00 -
[94]
You know what really hurts?
The fact that 3 days after the theft we are still unable to declare war because of a bug and a slow petition system.
The fact that because of a loophole (exploit?) someone with director access could leave the corp without having to wait the 24 hours period since he took away his rights and thus loosing all the logs.
The fact that once a player leaves the corp you can't audit the past activity in the corp.
What really gets me is that in all online games I've played it was either you had a way to have player justice (PvP, wars, etc.) and so scamming/stealing was ok or there was no player justice and thus scamming/stealing wasn't permitted and the GMs would make sure that you got your stuff back in that case. Here scamming/stealing is OK so forget about the GM help but player justice isn't possible because their system is bugged
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2004.07.27 01:22:00 -
[95]
There is a problem with saying this is just a game...These scams not only happen in Eve-online. But are getting out into the real world as well E-Bay if full of Eve-online stuff selling for real money. Where does this come from? And why does CCP allow this? Your time was stolen, along with your corp mates.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2004.07.27 01:22:00 -
[96]
There is a problem with saying this is just a game...These scams not only happen in Eve-online. But are getting out into the real world as well E-Bay if full of Eve-online stuff selling for real money. Where does this come from? And why does CCP allow this? Your time was stolen, along with your corp mates.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.27 02:00:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Rufus Kex
Originally by: Jael Markinsen
Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so.
They aren't pirates (in the definition of Eve anyway), as far as I know.
I've confronted Drakowolf about this numerous times, but they won't even admit to their crimes. They claim innocence, but they don't realize they have the evidence sticking out of their a**es. He will claim innocence until the day he himself believes he's innocent.
That's what saddens me the most, that they can't even admit to the lousy thievery they made.
*shakes head*
Damn, I'm sorry to hear that one Rufus. Everyone by now, knows the "how's" of corp thievery, most can even get the "why's" or the motivation of it from the said corp thieves. But by him not even admitting it, that has got to just burn you under the skin.
And roshan brings up a good point about the aftermath of some these actions too, The whole E-bay thing. I've seen some of the stuff listed there on that auction site, from ships to isk to whathaveyou, and can only shake my head back and forth at some it, knowing that some items listed are from a corp theft.
All in all, just try your best to get along with your rebuilding, easy thing for me to say sure, but, I believe, from what i have read from your posting, you have that necessary drive and vision to stay on focus to accomplish it. The only question you have really, is "do I want to invest all that time again?"
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.27 02:00:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Rufus Kex
Originally by: Jael Markinsen
Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so.
They aren't pirates (in the definition of Eve anyway), as far as I know.
I've confronted Drakowolf about this numerous times, but they won't even admit to their crimes. They claim innocence, but they don't realize they have the evidence sticking out of their a**es. He will claim innocence until the day he himself believes he's innocent.
That's what saddens me the most, that they can't even admit to the lousy thievery they made.
*shakes head*
Damn, I'm sorry to hear that one Rufus. Everyone by now, knows the "how's" of corp thievery, most can even get the "why's" or the motivation of it from the said corp thieves. But by him not even admitting it, that has got to just burn you under the skin.
And roshan brings up a good point about the aftermath of some these actions too, The whole E-bay thing. I've seen some of the stuff listed there on that auction site, from ships to isk to whathaveyou, and can only shake my head back and forth at some it, knowing that some items listed are from a corp theft.
All in all, just try your best to get along with your rebuilding, easy thing for me to say sure, but, I believe, from what i have read from your posting, you have that necessary drive and vision to stay on focus to accomplish it. The only question you have really, is "do I want to invest all that time again?"
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Leosian
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Posted - 2004.07.27 02:58:00 -
[99]
Give'em hell and waste every one of the corp thieves. If you need help, contact Body Count as they are savage and work as one finely tuned unit. Congrats to Seleene for creating such as effective unit.
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Leosian
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Posted - 2004.07.27 02:58:00 -
[100]
Give'em hell and waste every one of the corp thieves. If you need help, contact Body Count as they are savage and work as one finely tuned unit. Congrats to Seleene for creating such as effective unit.
Let the slaughter of empire begin... |
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.07.27 07:15:00 -
[101]
IMO. Corp Theft should not have been part of the game.
Consider this:
1. You have been playing Eve-Online for 6 months -> 1 Year.
2. You and your corp have built up corporate assets that everyone highly values, and considers it a direct translation of all there hard work behind the mining-lasers / research-agents / other-high-paying-professions.
3. All you hard work is finally starting to pay off for you as you are FINALY seeing a return on your thousands of hours of investment.
4. The people you work with in your corp all trust each other implicitly, and your work-force functions as a whole unit.
5. Someone that you trust more then you trust other people in your corp, and also someone that is seen as a leader turns around and stabs you and your entire corp in the back, by stealing all that you hold dear.
So that ^ is the operations of a corp thief. When this happened to Playboy Enterprises (talking from my own experience on this subject), 80% of the corp (around 40 very active people), quit the game (Lost ~2.5bil while Eve was only 4 months old). I can assure you that if this happened to you, that you would also feel devastated and cheated. This would go beyond the in-game experience for you and would effect you in real-life, as this translates to a real-life investment of your life/hours.
Also keeping in mind that this is only a game that we are all here to enjoy, this kind of feeling is not something that I believe is too enjoyable.
Obviously this game feature is having inverse effects on game-growth of the playerbase. Not a very health feature... IMO.
That is all I have to say on this subject. 
My deepest heart felt sypothies, of course, go out to Genco from The Band and the COD. I Hope things work out for you in the end.
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.07.27 07:15:00 -
[102]
IMO. Corp Theft should not have been part of the game.
Consider this:
1. You have been playing Eve-Online for 6 months -> 1 Year.
2. You and your corp have built up corporate assets that everyone highly values, and considers it a direct translation of all there hard work behind the mining-lasers / research-agents / other-high-paying-professions.
3. All you hard work is finally starting to pay off for you as you are FINALY seeing a return on your thousands of hours of investment.
4. The people you work with in your corp all trust each other implicitly, and your work-force functions as a whole unit.
5. Someone that you trust more then you trust other people in your corp, and also someone that is seen as a leader turns around and stabs you and your entire corp in the back, by stealing all that you hold dear.
So that ^ is the operations of a corp thief. When this happened to Playboy Enterprises (talking from my own experience on this subject), 80% of the corp (around 40 very active people), quit the game (Lost ~2.5bil while Eve was only 4 months old). I can assure you that if this happened to you, that you would also feel devastated and cheated. This would go beyond the in-game experience for you and would effect you in real-life, as this translates to a real-life investment of your life/hours.
Also keeping in mind that this is only a game that we are all here to enjoy, this kind of feeling is not something that I believe is too enjoyable.
Obviously this game feature is having inverse effects on game-growth of the playerbase. Not a very health feature... IMO.
That is all I have to say on this subject.
My deepest heart felt sypothies, of course, go out to Genco from The Band and the COD. I Hope things work out for you in the end.
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.07.27 08:08:00 -
[103]
Well I have finally heard of this post. and definatly not pleased on the false accusations done towards myself and members of Rebels Ltd. This needs to stop immediatly!
It is definatly unfortunate that one I have worked with and taken care of his account many months ago has then taken everything from your corporation. I have offered my assistance in getting as much information as I could.
Now the only thing you speak concerning myself and some of my corporate members of Rebels Ltd. taking away our ships from your home base in Danera has been to get our belongings in safe location as you have set war upon us. My corporation has mined endlessly to get minerals for trades for high ends from your corporation which we never got to complete. Instead since this was a waste of time decided to sell our corporate minerals located at your home base for the convenience of genco for trades and of course it ended up that it was yourself Rufus who had buy orders out there.
To add here is the link the the empyrean federation forums with the main topic of thid discussion. it has been locked out for investigate of life threats received from Rufus Kex ceo of Genco. The Empyrean Federation Forums
I have nothing to hide, and nothing to spare. I am also very frustrated; not only at genco but at Apostle Benedict who has ruined complete reputation of my Corporation. I am very unpleased and dealing with it directly IRL with this old co-worker. Reasoning of no discussions on the matter is that this is something I will deal with him personally.
I have made communication with him and trying to have him return items to Genco. I have made my warnings.
If anyone has questions or would like to discuss this more in depth then definatly contact me and i'll gladly talk all about it and the most of the story i got to find out from Rufus Kex as to what has happend.
DrakoWolf
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.07.27 08:08:00 -
[104]
Well I have finally heard of this post. and definatly not pleased on the false accusations done towards myself and members of Rebels Ltd. This needs to stop immediatly!
It is definatly unfortunate that one I have worked with and taken care of his account many months ago has then taken everything from your corporation. I have offered my assistance in getting as much information as I could.
Now the only thing you speak concerning myself and some of my corporate members of Rebels Ltd. taking away our ships from your home base in Danera has been to get our belongings in safe location as you have set war upon us. My corporation has mined endlessly to get minerals for trades for high ends from your corporation which we never got to complete. Instead since this was a waste of time decided to sell our corporate minerals located at your home base for the convenience of genco for trades and of course it ended up that it was yourself Rufus who had buy orders out there.
To add here is the link the the empyrean federation forums with the main topic of thid discussion. it has been locked out for investigate of life threats received from Rufus Kex ceo of Genco. The Empyrean Federation Forums
I have nothing to hide, and nothing to spare. I am also very frustrated; not only at genco but at Apostle Benedict who has ruined complete reputation of my Corporation. I am very unpleased and dealing with it directly IRL with this old co-worker. Reasoning of no discussions on the matter is that this is something I will deal with him personally.
I have made communication with him and trying to have him return items to Genco. I have made my warnings.
If anyone has questions or would like to discuss this more in depth then definatly contact me and i'll gladly talk all about it and the most of the story i got to find out from Rufus Kex as to what has happend.
DrakoWolf
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IonHammer
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Posted - 2004.07.27 08:12:00 -
[105]
Sorry to here this guys we also know the damage done by corp theives, needless to say I will keep and both eyes out for these guys.
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IonHammer
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Posted - 2004.07.27 08:12:00 -
[106]
Sorry to here this guys we also know the damage done by corp theives, needless to say I will keep and both eyes out for these guys.
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.07.27 09:59:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Spanker on 27/07/2004 10:02:23
Originally by: DrakoWolf
Now the only thing you speak concerning myself and some of my corporate members of Rebels Ltd. taking away our ships from your home base in Danera has been to get our belongings in safe location as you have set war upon us.
Er............................. no. We decided to war against you after we saw you moving our stuff (which you started doing immidiataly btw) since that was considered to be final and clinching proof of your treachery.
Now, let me ask you a question. Did you really think you could get away with it? I ask merely for information. I mean by doing this surely you must have realised that neither you or any other member of your corp will ever be able to play EVE normally again - it's not harassment (which you're obviously trying to make it look like, and which tbh doesn't strengthen your case in this whole matter), it's simply a case of You Steal My **** And You'll Pay. War is not harassment afaik. Correct me if I'm wrong. If this didn't occur to you then either you're A) planning to ebay the lot and quit EVE, or B) bonkers.
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.07.27 09:59:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Spanker on 27/07/2004 10:02:23
Originally by: DrakoWolf
Now the only thing you speak concerning myself and some of my corporate members of Rebels Ltd. taking away our ships from your home base in Danera has been to get our belongings in safe location as you have set war upon us.
Er............................. no. We decided to war against you after we saw you moving our stuff (which you started doing immidiataly btw) since that was considered to be final and clinching proof of your treachery.
Now, let me ask you a question. Did you really think you could get away with it? I ask merely for information. I mean by doing this surely you must have realised that neither you or any other member of your corp will ever be able to play EVE normally again - it's not harassment (which you're obviously trying to make it look like, and which tbh doesn't strengthen your case in this whole matter), it's simply a case of You Steal My **** And You'll Pay. War is not harassment afaik. Correct me if I'm wrong. If this didn't occur to you then either you're A) planning to ebay the lot and quit EVE, or B) bonkers.
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The Daddy
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:02:00 -
[109]
Read the other forum and see that Drako is as well loved there as he is here.
The BSC is sorry to hear about your loss and corp thieves are the lowest of the low
Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit! |
The Daddy
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:02:00 -
[110]
Read the other forum and see that Drako is as well loved there as he is here.
The BSC is sorry to hear about your loss and corp thieves are the lowest of the low
Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit! |
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:16:00 -
[111]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 27/07/2004 10:20:13
^what spanker said.
drako, harberk was the one that gave access to the thief, he was part of the theft, y do u let him in ur corp after that?
cough because u were involved in it aswell cough
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:16:00 -
[112]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 27/07/2004 10:20:13
^what spanker said.
drako, harberk was the one that gave access to the thief, he was part of the theft, y do u let him in ur corp after that?
cough because u were involved in it aswell cough
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Spanker
Er............................. no. We decided to war against you after we saw you moving our stuff (which you started doing immidiataly btw) since that was considered to be final and clinching proof of your treachery.
Well funny thing is, I had not moved any personal belongings out of your HQ till a full day after the fact when I received the email of the vote from Genco to start war on Rebels Ltd that is when I moved my personal belongings out of the area. I had not much to bring. If I would I would still be out there hauling for days on end and you know that very well. Genco a great corp in deed. No one could of moved that stuff within a few days. Last I remember of the damn hanger it would of took 30+ people to move that HQ out of there. at least 2 trips each member. So there is no way in hell I could of taken anything from Genco. I have been out of genco for over a month just about 2. Like I have said many times. You definatly have the wrong guy. I'm hunting Apostle just as much as you all are. but in the meenwhile you all been hunting me and others of my corporation. you are the least of my worries at this point. Apostle is my main concern.
Originally by: Spanker
Did you really think you could get away with it? I ask merely for information. I mean by doing this surely you must have realised that neither you or any other member of your corp will ever be able to play EVE normally again
Well I have nothing to get away with. and thats definatly great that myself or any of my members of rebles ltd will be able to play eve normally again.. hmm I've never lived the game normally in any instance. We always have damn pirates after us anyhow. So it changes nothing.
I also have no intention on departing eve as I have my subscription done for every 6 months. I aint going no where. and will continue to play the game as I always have.
DrakoWolf
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:23:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Spanker
Er............................. no. We decided to war against you after we saw you moving our stuff (which you started doing immidiataly btw) since that was considered to be final and clinching proof of your treachery.
Well funny thing is, I had not moved any personal belongings out of your HQ till a full day after the fact when I received the email of the vote from Genco to start war on Rebels Ltd that is when I moved my personal belongings out of the area. I had not much to bring. If I would I would still be out there hauling for days on end and you know that very well. Genco a great corp in deed. No one could of moved that stuff within a few days. Last I remember of the damn hanger it would of took 30+ people to move that HQ out of there. at least 2 trips each member. So there is no way in hell I could of taken anything from Genco. I have been out of genco for over a month just about 2. Like I have said many times. You definatly have the wrong guy. I'm hunting Apostle just as much as you all are. but in the meenwhile you all been hunting me and others of my corporation. you are the least of my worries at this point. Apostle is my main concern.
Originally by: Spanker
Did you really think you could get away with it? I ask merely for information. I mean by doing this surely you must have realised that neither you or any other member of your corp will ever be able to play EVE normally again
Well I have nothing to get away with. and thats definatly great that myself or any of my members of rebles ltd will be able to play eve normally again.. hmm I've never lived the game normally in any instance. We always have damn pirates after us anyhow. So it changes nothing.
I also have no intention on departing eve as I have my subscription done for every 6 months. I aint going no where. and will continue to play the game as I always have.
DrakoWolf
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: nieo on 27/07/2004 10:45:36
No. We're after the thieves whereas you are one. Go read the hypocricy you left on the CFS forums. Everyone being able to read and use the gray matter realize your part in it from those posts alone.
You and everyone else in Rebels Ltd are a legit target if you DO NOT LIKE CORP THIEVES.
You still have one way out of this, that is you as Rebels Ltd and the individual pilots, make sure the BPO's are safely returned. Nothing else will save you from getting constantly killed from now on in EVE.
Nothing.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.27 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: nieo on 27/07/2004 10:45:36
No. We're after the thieves whereas you are one. Go read the hypocricy you left on the CFS forums. Everyone being able to read and use the gray matter realize your part in it from those posts alone.
You and everyone else in Rebels Ltd are a legit target if you DO NOT LIKE CORP THIEVES.
You still have one way out of this, that is you as Rebels Ltd and the individual pilots, make sure the BPO's are safely returned. Nothing else will save you from getting constantly killed from now on in EVE.
Nothing.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:23:00 -
[117]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 27/07/2004 10:20:13
^what spanker said.
drako, harberk was the one that gave access to the thief, he was part of the theft, y do u let him in ur corp after that?
cough because u were involved in it aswell cough
Hmm.. Now don't go thinking too hard on this one drakowolf, but, what's your answer to this mans question?
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.27 11:23:00 -
[118]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 27/07/2004 10:20:13
^what spanker said.
drako, harberk was the one that gave access to the thief, he was part of the theft, y do u let him in ur corp after that?
cough because u were involved in it aswell cough
Hmm.. Now don't go thinking too hard on this one drakowolf, but, what's your answer to this mans question?
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:24:00 -
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Now i am not involveded with either of these corps so take this as you will
I have always felt that anyone need's to be given the benefit of the doubt this is mostly because i myself have been acused of corp theft (and stealing from Noob's) this was part of the reason i left Shaw and at least half the Shaw members left Shaw with me as they all knew that the acusation was made out of jalosy (bad spelling) by a 18 year old kid i can tell you it hurts being acused of something you did not do
This is the reason that CCP need to implement more safety for corps (the lock down of BPO (coming in Shiva) is only a start) i feel Eve-Online is losing players at a high rate because of this alone some type of audit system (that works) that states who took what from where is needed these logs need to be avaible for atleast 90 days after any item is taken (Paw Sandberg took 1 basic expanded cargohold on 7-27-4 out of hanger 1 called public) this would be a solid proof of any theft
also i have to admit this sounds fishy that you are just moving stuff that is yours
[ 2004.07.23 19:08:10 ] DrakoWolf > definatly. and i sure hope harberk has nothing to do with it.. damn he's real good friend of mine. I've known him since i was 6years old damnit
DrakoWolf > cuz i went out drinking came back real drunk so dont remember who was all online when i came home in wee hours of the morning..
[ 2004.07.23 19:12:03 ] Rufus Kex > i heard you were.. the theft occured at about 5.30
2004.07.23 19:19:00 ] DrakoWolf > dont want this kind of bs on me.. i already left genco to not deal with anykind of stuff like this anymore. but i feel involved now since these are people i know.
[ 2004.07.23 19:20:43 ] Rufus Kex > Yeah.. and since your char were online and were down in danera at the same time as this happened, I suppose you have to understand you're a suspect. And that you also HAD access to his account and are his rl friend. I'm sorry Drako, but I hope we work this thing out too.
[ 2004.07.23 19:22:01 ] DrakoWolf > well not real life friend just someone i worked with
these logs are taken out of context from the chat log you have known him from you where six years old but he is only a coworker
also
For god sakes I dont have time for this bull****.. I already take care of this site for all of you!!! If you wish to be it this way the site will go down I will not care if you lose pertinant information. and NO I willl not transfer the database to anyone if this becomes the case. So I propose you all vote no in the war against my corporation.
lol this post gets me
Well its definatly unfortunat you want to blame things on me or Harberk..
Harberk dosn't even know who Apostle is, in real life neither any communication.
as for Harberk he's a true friend to me for many years and these false accusations are worthless to me. If Genco wishes to negotiate something to get rid of this war that is fine. but i have not much to offer as I'm just starting out my own corp for last 2 months.
it was not me and it was not the other guy come on someone did it but of course it was neither of you
like someone else said
Drako, if I were the one accused (wrongly) of something this horrific, I'd go ballistic and start shouting and crying and trying to assure people I had nothing to do with it. You're like, "Now as I remember it, I came home at 2 am and then I left... you will notice at this point blahblah". Bit too calm I'd say, lol, bit of a bloody giveaway. Not that you care though, you don't really need to - you're a rich man now. Hehe, I wonder what the people around you IRL would say if they knew you had just stolen lots of stuff from lots of friends. I don't care how you corp thieves rationalize negating all the real life time and money invested by so many people over such a long time, but if you ever manage to get a wink of sleep in again I'd say you are in fact mad. No really, you're obviously missing something in your head, a block of some kind, something hindering you from discerning right from wrong. You're ill, and for that I pity you. I wouldn't be at all suprised if your RL friends have been trying to give you hints about it for a longer time already - but it still isn't too late I suppose.
Honestly i am not a Cop or a lawyer however there are flaws in your explanation and if i was on jury duty i would vote guilty on this one
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:24:00 -
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Now i am not involveded with either of these corps so take this as you will
I have always felt that anyone need's to be given the benefit of the doubt this is mostly because i myself have been acused of corp theft (and stealing from Noob's) this was part of the reason i left Shaw and at least half the Shaw members left Shaw with me as they all knew that the acusation was made out of jalosy (bad spelling) by a 18 year old kid i can tell you it hurts being acused of something you did not do
This is the reason that CCP need to implement more safety for corps (the lock down of BPO (coming in Shiva) is only a start) i feel Eve-Online is losing players at a high rate because of this alone some type of audit system (that works) that states who took what from where is needed these logs need to be avaible for atleast 90 days after any item is taken (Paw Sandberg took 1 basic expanded cargohold on 7-27-4 out of hanger 1 called public) this would be a solid proof of any theft
also i have to admit this sounds fishy that you are just moving stuff that is yours
[ 2004.07.23 19:08:10 ] DrakoWolf > definatly. and i sure hope harberk has nothing to do with it.. damn he's real good friend of mine. I've known him since i was 6years old damnit
DrakoWolf > cuz i went out drinking came back real drunk so dont remember who was all online when i came home in wee hours of the morning..
[ 2004.07.23 19:12:03 ] Rufus Kex > i heard you were.. the theft occured at about 5.30
2004.07.23 19:19:00 ] DrakoWolf > dont want this kind of bs on me.. i already left genco to not deal with anykind of stuff like this anymore. but i feel involved now since these are people i know.
[ 2004.07.23 19:20:43 ] Rufus Kex > Yeah.. and since your char were online and were down in danera at the same time as this happened, I suppose you have to understand you're a suspect. And that you also HAD access to his account and are his rl friend. I'm sorry Drako, but I hope we work this thing out too.
[ 2004.07.23 19:22:01 ] DrakoWolf > well not real life friend just someone i worked with
these logs are taken out of context from the chat log you have known him from you where six years old but he is only a coworker
also
For god sakes I dont have time for this bull****.. I already take care of this site for all of you!!! If you wish to be it this way the site will go down I will not care if you lose pertinant information. and NO I willl not transfer the database to anyone if this becomes the case. So I propose you all vote no in the war against my corporation.
lol this post gets me
Well its definatly unfortunat you want to blame things on me or Harberk..
Harberk dosn't even know who Apostle is, in real life neither any communication.
as for Harberk he's a true friend to me for many years and these false accusations are worthless to me. If Genco wishes to negotiate something to get rid of this war that is fine. but i have not much to offer as I'm just starting out my own corp for last 2 months.
it was not me and it was not the other guy come on someone did it but of course it was neither of you
like someone else said
Drako, if I were the one accused (wrongly) of something this horrific, I'd go ballistic and start shouting and crying and trying to assure people I had nothing to do with it. You're like, "Now as I remember it, I came home at 2 am and then I left... you will notice at this point blahblah". Bit too calm I'd say, lol, bit of a bloody giveaway. Not that you care though, you don't really need to - you're a rich man now. Hehe, I wonder what the people around you IRL would say if they knew you had just stolen lots of stuff from lots of friends. I don't care how you corp thieves rationalize negating all the real life time and money invested by so many people over such a long time, but if you ever manage to get a wink of sleep in again I'd say you are in fact mad. No really, you're obviously missing something in your head, a block of some kind, something hindering you from discerning right from wrong. You're ill, and for that I pity you. I wouldn't be at all suprised if your RL friends have been trying to give you hints about it for a longer time already - but it still isn't too late I suppose.
Honestly i am not a Cop or a lawyer however there are flaws in your explanation and if i was on jury duty i would vote guilty on this one
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:37:00 -
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Well, i really would like to hear harberk on this, as he is the one giving the rights to apostle in the first place.
We have checked EVERY other members audits, and noone else made any changes to apostle, and that makes us left with one option: Harberk who left (and were a director) were the one giving access to apostle, who then continued taking what was not his.
This is an indisputable fact, and there is nothing we need to prove. However id like to hear it from the horses mouth aswell.
15 hours to war is active...
Time is ticking.
/tigress, original CEO of genco and director.
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.07.27 16:37:00 -
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Well, i really would like to hear harberk on this, as he is the one giving the rights to apostle in the first place.
We have checked EVERY other members audits, and noone else made any changes to apostle, and that makes us left with one option: Harberk who left (and were a director) were the one giving access to apostle, who then continued taking what was not his.
This is an indisputable fact, and there is nothing we need to prove. However id like to hear it from the horses mouth aswell.
15 hours to war is active...
Time is ticking.
/tigress, original CEO of genco and director.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.27 17:47:00 -
[123]
I hate corp thieves.
CCP should implement a "DED corporate vault" feature available to corporations, so they can put their most valuable assets in it.
The only person who should have access to that "DED corporate vault should be the CEO.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.27 17:47:00 -
[124]
I hate corp thieves.
CCP should implement a "DED corporate vault" feature available to corporations, so they can put their most valuable assets in it.
The only person who should have access to that "DED corporate vault should be the CEO.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:35:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Mikelangelo
I hate corp thieves.
CCP should implement a "DED corporate vault" feature available to corporations, so they can put their most valuable assets in it.
The only person who should have access to that "DED corporate vault should be the CEO.
well with Shiva we get a BPO lockdown option that should help a little
this still wont end Directors stealing everything else though
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelangelo
I hate corp thieves.
CCP should implement a "DED corporate vault" feature available to corporations, so they can put their most valuable assets in it.
The only person who should have access to that "DED corporate vault should be the CEO.
well with Shiva we get a BPO lockdown option that should help a little
this still wont end Directors stealing everything else though
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Piccilo
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Piccilo on 27/07/2004 23:26:02
im sorry to hear of your losses too guys- for those of u who dont kno, i was in genco for ages and even was a director for a period of time before i left due to various reason (lack of PvP mostly).
If theres anything i can help with- feel free to ask, as i understand it seras is joining genco again to hunt rebel ltd- i might do soemthign along those lines too, but id prefer a tad more proof....
it kills to see so many *months* of my playing time taken by some gimp with no honour ingame or IRL...
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Piccilo
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Piccilo on 27/07/2004 23:26:02
im sorry to hear of your losses too guys- for those of u who dont kno, i was in genco for ages and even was a director for a period of time before i left due to various reason (lack of PvP mostly).
If theres anything i can help with- feel free to ask, as i understand it seras is joining genco again to hunt rebel ltd- i might do soemthign along those lines too, but id prefer a tad more proof....
it kills to see so many *months* of my playing time taken by some gimp with no honour ingame or IRL...
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: tigress on 28/07/2004 01:27:21
Edited by: tigress on 27/07/2004 23:48:56
Piccilo: there is lot of proof, that together with all the other stuff and things said by the suspects makes us 100% certain. We'll show you if you ask. (lots of screenshots of them travelling with both the stolen ships and the contraband in their hulls), and more things like that...
Unique stuff that is not something these 100% empire-players could accumulate, and certainly not in danera station.
However this marks an end to an era in genco, we will now shift towards being a more pvp-oriented corporation we always strived to be.
And btw, it's only 10 hours now..
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: tigress on 28/07/2004 01:27:21
Edited by: tigress on 27/07/2004 23:48:56
Piccilo: there is lot of proof, that together with all the other stuff and things said by the suspects makes us 100% certain. We'll show you if you ask. (lots of screenshots of them travelling with both the stolen ships and the contraband in their hulls), and more things like that...
Unique stuff that is not something these 100% empire-players could accumulate, and certainly not in danera station.
However this marks an end to an era in genco, we will now shift towards being a more pvp-oriented corporation we always strived to be.
And btw, it's only 10 hours now..
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.28 02:16:00 -
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I just wanted to post the way Genco reason about this theft, so nothing is unclear. A sort of FAQ for the interested. And I admit the detective work sort of intrigues me.
Tbh I think this turned out to a freak show, something Rebels Ltd. and Genco should solve internally. This is just another corp war, with reasons that I suppose are as good as any other.
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Who did this?
Apostle Benedict. His name appears in the corp wallet log, and he has confessed the theft too. He even stated [in Danera local channel] it was his plan "all along" to have [his friend/co-worker] Drakowolf "chased for nothing". (What kind of a reason is that?)
What do you know about this Apostle Benedict?
He's been in Genco for quite a while. He hasn't been online much during the time in the corporation, however. Drakowolf claims it's a guy at his work who owns the account. I haven't seen him in months, and the last time I saw him, it was Drakowolf "changing skills" on him.
So, how could this inactive guy Apostle Benedict have the access to do this?
After some security measures in Genco 2 months ago, we set everybody's access down to a corp standard, only 4-5 members had access to the blueprints hangars. Someone of our directors, who are the only ones who could have set his access up, must have modfied Apostle's access very recently. We've checked the audit logs of everyone who has that kind of access since then, and nothing shows up. Hence, someone who recently left the corp with that kind of access is the one who did it. The only one who fits in on this description is Harberk.
So you're suggesting there are more than the named thief behind this?
The fact that Apostle hasn't been online for all this time, and suddenly comes on with full access and steals everything sounds planned and schemed by someone else, someone who had the possibility to do this kind of planning and also the access for it. How could he know he had full access, including full grantable, if he wasn't even in the game. It's CLEAR that Apostle Benedict isn't the only one who's behind all of this. Anyone with a little brains realizes Apostle is just a coverup for the real thief. We just have to ask ourselves who would have the motive to give him the access. I would even go as far to suspect Apostle Benedict is an alt character of either Harberk or Drakowolf.
Who is Harberk?
He's the ex-research director of Genco, who had director status in the corporation. He's also the childhood friend of Drakowolf, the CEO of the corporation he's now in. Harberk left Genco 24 hours before Apostle Benedict did the theft, thereby hiding the audit logs from us. Audit logs that could either clear him from suspicions or confirm him as the one responsible.
So what does Drakowolf have to do with this?
Drakowolf acts as he knows nothing of what happened, still I know he and Harberk have access to each others accounts. They are childhood friends, and from that I assume they were somehow involved in this together. Genco personnel has also scanned Drakowolf's cargo outside Genco's HQ, and found items that with no doubt is identified as Genco property.
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Some personal thoughts:
Sometimes when I read Drakowolf's desperate posts where he claims innocence, I want to believe him. I feel like an ass to declare war and hang him out on all the forums when we don't have clear evidence to throw in their faces. However, when I see the screenshots of the cargo he and his corpmates hauled away from Genco HQ, I see personally acclaimed stuff that I exactly know how, where and when I deposited to the corporation. I'm talking about unique items that would mean NO SENSE to Drakowolf. This is the kind of stuff that made us start a war against Rebels. We were actually WAITING with the war, apparently somehow wanted to believe the lies Drakowolf told us. How could a good friend to the corp do such a thing? I mean I get down to 50% of sureness about their guilt every day, cause I'm such an ambivalent kind of person, all until I watch those screenshots we have of his cargo.
Genco is 100% sure that Rebels Ltd. are behind this theft, otherwise we wouldn't offend them in public like this. Even if our screenshots of cargo scans could be false, the logs could be fabricated, the sheer frustration to them could be a desperate act of trying to find a scapegoat, all we need to to be sure of it is there. And I also know that Genco has built up a trust in the Eve universe along its year of existence. We wouldn't risk that trust by claiming any kind of far-fetched unjustice.
A thing I'd like to ask is, why have we ever heard from Harberk about this? Sometimes I wonder if he has left the game and let you take over his account, Drako.
See you at the battlefield. However I still doubt you'll bother to even undock.
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.07.28 02:16:00 -
[132]
I just wanted to post the way Genco reason about this theft, so nothing is unclear. A sort of FAQ for the interested. And I admit the detective work sort of intrigues me.
Tbh I think this turned out to a freak show, something Rebels Ltd. and Genco should solve internally. This is just another corp war, with reasons that I suppose are as good as any other.
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Who did this?
Apostle Benedict. His name appears in the corp wallet log, and he has confessed the theft too. He even stated [in Danera local channel] it was his plan "all along" to have [his friend/co-worker] Drakowolf "chased for nothing". (What kind of a reason is that?)
What do you know about this Apostle Benedict?
He's been in Genco for quite a while. He hasn't been online much during the time in the corporation, however. Drakowolf claims it's a guy at his work who owns the account. I haven't seen him in months, and the last time I saw him, it was Drakowolf "changing skills" on him.
So, how could this inactive guy Apostle Benedict have the access to do this?
After some security measures in Genco 2 months ago, we set everybody's access down to a corp standard, only 4-5 members had access to the blueprints hangars. Someone of our directors, who are the only ones who could have set his access up, must have modfied Apostle's access very recently. We've checked the audit logs of everyone who has that kind of access since then, and nothing shows up. Hence, someone who recently left the corp with that kind of access is the one who did it. The only one who fits in on this description is Harberk.
So you're suggesting there are more than the named thief behind this?
The fact that Apostle hasn't been online for all this time, and suddenly comes on with full access and steals everything sounds planned and schemed by someone else, someone who had the possibility to do this kind of planning and also the access for it. How could he know he had full access, including full grantable, if he wasn't even in the game. It's CLEAR that Apostle Benedict isn't the only one who's behind all of this. Anyone with a little brains realizes Apostle is just a coverup for the real thief. We just have to ask ourselves who would have the motive to give him the access. I would even go as far to suspect Apostle Benedict is an alt character of either Harberk or Drakowolf.
Who is Harberk?
He's the ex-research director of Genco, who had director status in the corporation. He's also the childhood friend of Drakowolf, the CEO of the corporation he's now in. Harberk left Genco 24 hours before Apostle Benedict did the theft, thereby hiding the audit logs from us. Audit logs that could either clear him from suspicions or confirm him as the one responsible.
So what does Drakowolf have to do with this?
Drakowolf acts as he knows nothing of what happened, still I know he and Harberk have access to each others accounts. They are childhood friends, and from that I assume they were somehow involved in this together. Genco personnel has also scanned Drakowolf's cargo outside Genco's HQ, and found items that with no doubt is identified as Genco property.
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Some personal thoughts:
Sometimes when I read Drakowolf's desperate posts where he claims innocence, I want to believe him. I feel like an ass to declare war and hang him out on all the forums when we don't have clear evidence to throw in their faces. However, when I see the screenshots of the cargo he and his corpmates hauled away from Genco HQ, I see personally acclaimed stuff that I exactly know how, where and when I deposited to the corporation. I'm talking about unique items that would mean NO SENSE to Drakowolf. This is the kind of stuff that made us start a war against Rebels. We were actually WAITING with the war, apparently somehow wanted to believe the lies Drakowolf told us. How could a good friend to the corp do such a thing? I mean I get down to 50% of sureness about their guilt every day, cause I'm such an ambivalent kind of person, all until I watch those screenshots we have of his cargo.
Genco is 100% sure that Rebels Ltd. are behind this theft, otherwise we wouldn't offend them in public like this. Even if our screenshots of cargo scans could be false, the logs could be fabricated, the sheer frustration to them could be a desperate act of trying to find a scapegoat, all we need to to be sure of it is there. And I also know that Genco has built up a trust in the Eve universe along its year of existence. We wouldn't risk that trust by claiming any kind of far-fetched unjustice.
A thing I'd like to ask is, why have we ever heard from Harberk about this? Sometimes I wonder if he has left the game and let you take over his account, Drako.
See you at the battlefield. However I still doubt you'll bother to even undock.
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Stanatsch
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Posted - 2004.07.28 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Stanatsch on 28/07/2004 08:38:01
Originally by: Rufus Kex
Drakowolf claims it's a guy at his work who owns the account. I haven't seen him in months, and the last time I saw him, it was Drakowolf "changing skills" on him.
I would even go as far to suspect Apostle Benedict is an alt character of either Harberk or Drakowolf.
So what does Drakowolf have to do with this?
Drakowolf acts as he knows nothing of what happened, still I know he and Harberk have access to each others accounts. They are childhood friends, and from that I assume they were somehow involved in this together.
First i like to say that either i or my corp have eny love for corp thiefs, well i dont know meny corps that loves them.
But....
There might some hope for Genco to get they stuff back.
Well at this point i like everyone to read the EULA.
Short quote from it.
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited."
"10. HACKING & ACCOUNT TRANSFERS
Hacking is any unauthorized access to another personÆs account, by illegal means or not.
If your account was hacked by another player and items were stolen or transferred to other players, we will investigate and items that we are able to track down will be moved back to the rightful owner."
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Stanatsch
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Posted - 2004.07.28 08:06:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Stanatsch on 28/07/2004 08:38:01
Originally by: Rufus Kex
Drakowolf claims it's a guy at his work who owns the account. I haven't seen him in months, and the last time I saw him, it was Drakowolf "changing skills" on him.
I would even go as far to suspect Apostle Benedict is an alt character of either Harberk or Drakowolf.
So what does Drakowolf have to do with this?
Drakowolf acts as he knows nothing of what happened, still I know he and Harberk have access to each others accounts. They are childhood friends, and from that I assume they were somehow involved in this together.
First i like to say that either i or my corp have eny love for corp thiefs, well i dont know meny corps that loves them.
But....
There might some hope for Genco to get they stuff back.
Well at this point i like everyone to read the EULA.
Short quote from it.
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited."
"10. HACKING & ACCOUNT TRANSFERS
Hacking is any unauthorized access to another personÆs account, by illegal means or not.
If your account was hacked by another player and items were stolen or transferred to other players, we will investigate and items that we are able to track down will be moved back to the rightful owner."
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Posted - 2004.07.28 09:10:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Stanatsch
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited."
"10. HACKING & ACCOUNT TRANSFERS
Hacking is any unauthorized access to another personÆs account, by illegal means or not.
If your account was hacked by another player and items were stolen or transferred to other players, we will investigate and items that we are able to track down will be moved back to the rightful owner."
Well I will not deny the fact that I have taken care of his account for a short period of time back in april. Now unfortunatly the policy concerning Hacking & account transfers would need to be revised do to the implementation of transfering of characters being able to be done and alloud by ccp of course with a cost. only thing is as well this policy states if the account was hacked by another player and items where stolen.
an account was not hacked into I presume as well items where not stolen from an account they where stolen from the corporation. So the tracking of items and moving to rightful owner would not apply to this situation unfortunatly. It would be great I agree.
The other thing that makes it hard that I am also aware if you seek the side of Genco thats is great. but genco has many of its directors sharing accounts. so would you have them lose their characters and items with it as well by going by this rule ? then their is loss all over and no chance of return of items.
Something you may want to think about Stanatsch.
Now I would like to make announcement that I have received mail that Apostle has communicated with rufus for negotiation in return of items. This is great news for all of us!!! I hope they work something out asap!
Good luck Genco!
DrakoWolf
Rebels Ltd.
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Posted - 2004.07.28 09:10:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Stanatsch
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited."
"10. HACKING & ACCOUNT TRANSFERS
Hacking is any unauthorized access to another personÆs account, by illegal means or not.
If your account was hacked by another player and items were stolen or transferred to other players, we will investigate and items that we are able to track down will be moved back to the rightful owner."
Well I will not deny the fact that I have taken care of his account for a short period of time back in april. Now unfortunatly the policy concerning Hacking & account transfers would need to be revised do to the implementation of transfering of characters being able to be done and alloud by ccp of course with a cost. only thing is as well this policy states if the account was hacked by another player and items where stolen.
an account was not hacked into I presume as well items where not stolen from an account they where stolen from the corporation. So the tracking of items and moving to rightful owner would not apply to this situation unfortunatly. It would be great I agree.
The other thing that makes it hard that I am also aware if you seek the side of Genco thats is great. but genco has many of its directors sharing accounts. so would you have them lose their characters and items with it as well by going by this rule ? then their is loss all over and no chance of return of items.
Something you may want to think about Stanatsch.
Now I would like to make announcement that I have received mail that Apostle has communicated with rufus for negotiation in return of items. This is great news for all of us!!! I hope they work something out asap!
Good luck Genco!
DrakoWolf
Rebels Ltd.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 09:35:00 -
[137]
what a coincidence! when the theft goes sour because uve been found out 'apostle wants to negotiate returns'
and u still didnt answer my Q from the last page
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 09:35:00 -
[138]
what a coincidence! when the theft goes sour because uve been found out 'apostle wants to negotiate returns'
and u still didnt answer my Q from the last page
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Seras Victoria
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Posted - 2004.07.28 09:37:00 -
[139]
Originally by: DrakoWolf
blah blah blah....
Now I would like to make announcement that I have received mail that Apostle has communicated with rufus for negotiation in return of items. This is great news for all of us!!! I hope they work something out asap!
Good luck Genco!
DrakoWolf
Rebels Ltd.
I'll believe it when I see the items back in our possession.
I'm coming for you.
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Seras Victoria
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Posted - 2004.07.28 09:37:00 -
[140]
Originally by: DrakoWolf
blah blah blah....
Now I would like to make announcement that I have received mail that Apostle has communicated with rufus for negotiation in return of items. This is great news for all of us!!! I hope they work something out asap!
Good luck Genco!
DrakoWolf
Rebels Ltd.
I'll believe it when I see the items back in our possession.
I'm coming for you.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.28 10:35:00 -
[141]
Edited by: nieo on 28/07/2004 10:52:24
Edited by: nieo on 28/07/2004 10:51:26
Edited by: nieo on 28/07/2004 10:50:21
Originally by: DrakoWolf
Originally by: Stanatsch
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited."
"10. HACKING & ACCOUNT TRANSFERS
Hacking is any unauthorized access to another personÆs account, by illegal means or not.
If your account was hacked by another player and items were stolen or transferred to other players, we will investigate and items that we are able to track down will be moved back to the rightful owner."
Well I will not deny the fact that I have taken care of his account for a short period of time back in april. Now unfortunatly the policy concerning Hacking & account transfers would need to be revised do to the implementation of transfering of characters being able to be done and alloud by ccp of course with a cost. only thing is as well this policy states if the account was hacked by another player and items where stolen.
an account was not hacked into I presume as well items where not stolen from an account they where stolen from the corporation. So the tracking of items and moving to rightful owner would not apply to this situation unfortunatly. It would be great I agree.
The other thing that makes it hard that I am also aware if you seek the side of Genco thats is great. but genco has many of its directors sharing accounts. so would you have them lose their characters and items with it as well by going by this rule ? then their is loss all over and no chance of return of items.
Something you may want to think about Stanatsch.
Now I would like to make announcement that I have received mail that Apostle has communicated with rufus for negotiation in return of items. This is great news for all of us!!! I hope they work something out asap!
Good luck Genco!
DrakoWolf
Rebels Ltd.
According to a corpmate of mine, who had been in touch with a lawyer, there is a chance for Genco to get it all back. There is a precedent where another player in a MMORPG have filed a lawsuit against the MMORPG's maker when he/she was the victim of a theft where the thief did social engineering in order to get hold of the stolen items.
When the guys stealing items from Genco were sharing accounts and sharing stuff with each other (possibly the same player using several accounts), they were doing social engineering. There is now a precedent in such a case, where the victim won and got all things back.
I'm not in Genco anymore, but that is one way for them to get their things back and make sure all involved thieves are punished accordingly. Sad way to do it, but a way to get it all back and to get definite evidence on who did it, when they did it and who was in on it.
So if Genco want to go down that road I have a pilot in my corp that might point you in the right direction of a good lawyer. Then it's only for someone based in US to file the lawsuit and the ball is rolling.
Now since this is a game and everything is virtual, its a shame if it should go down to this just to get the things back.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.28 10:35:00 -
[142]
Edited by: nieo on 28/07/2004 10:52:24
Edited by: nieo on 28/07/2004 10:51:26
Edited by: nieo on 28/07/2004 10:50:21
Originally by: DrakoWolf
Originally by: Stanatsch
"You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited."
"10. HACKING & ACCOUNT TRANSFERS
Hacking is any unauthorized access to another personÆs account, by illegal means or not.
If your account was hacked by another player and items were stolen or transferred to other players, we will investigate and items that we are able to track down will be moved back to the rightful owner."
Well I will not deny the fact that I have taken care of his account for a short period of time back in april. Now unfortunatly the policy concerning Hacking & account transfers would need to be revised do to the implementation of transfering of characters being able to be done and alloud by ccp of course with a cost. only thing is as well this policy states if the account was hacked by another player and items where stolen.
an account was not hacked into I presume as well items where not stolen from an account they where stolen from the corporation. So the tracking of items and moving to rightful owner would not apply to this situation unfortunatly. It would be great I agree.
The other thing that makes it hard that I am also aware if you seek the side of Genco thats is great. but genco has many of its directors sharing accounts. so would you have them lose their characters and items with it as well by going by this rule ? then their is loss all over and no chance of return of items.
Something you may want to think about Stanatsch.
Now I would like to make announcement that I have received mail that Apostle has communicated with rufus for negotiation in return of items. This is great news for all of us!!! I hope they work something out asap!
Good luck Genco!
DrakoWolf
Rebels Ltd.
According to a corpmate of mine, who had been in touch with a lawyer, there is a chance for Genco to get it all back. There is a precedent where another player in a MMORPG have filed a lawsuit against the MMORPG's maker when he/she was the victim of a theft where the thief did social engineering in order to get hold of the stolen items.
When the guys stealing items from Genco were sharing accounts and sharing stuff with each other (possibly the same player using several accounts), they were doing social engineering. There is now a precedent in such a case, where the victim won and got all things back.
I'm not in Genco anymore, but that is one way for them to get their things back and make sure all involved thieves are punished accordingly. Sad way to do it, but a way to get it all back and to get definite evidence on who did it, when they did it and who was in on it.
So if Genco want to go down that road I have a pilot in my corp that might point you in the right direction of a good lawyer. Then it's only for someone based in US to file the lawsuit and the ball is rolling.
Now since this is a game and everything is virtual, its a shame if it should go down to this just to get the things back.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 11:07:00 -
[143]
an interesting idea nieo lol
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 11:07:00 -
[144]
an interesting idea nieo lol
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obscuroditus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 11:38:00 -
[145]
Just wanted to show my sympathy for Genco - This is a very sad story.
As far as the corpthiefs go - I sure hope they regret every doing this, and I do not understand CCP acts so favorably towards corpthieves. There is little you can do about it, except distrust everyone - creating a game of hatred and paranoia, niet comradship and teamwork.
My corporation is chronically lacking members - we dare not take in recruits through the regular ways, and contacting them on an invite basis is hard, since we are looking for specific types - and advertising this would be the easiest way.
Corpthieves are the scum of EVE, and unfortunately there is no solid way in preventing them to enter your corp - if they work on it long and hard enough, they can always gain a position in which they can harm the corp sufficiently.
I hope Genco does look at legal actions against the thieves or CCP, the EULA did leave some room for retribution.
Regards
- Obscur, Pocket CEO of z0rg Enterprises.
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obscuroditus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 11:38:00 -
[146]
Just wanted to show my sympathy for Genco - This is a very sad story.
As far as the corpthiefs go - I sure hope they regret every doing this, and I do not understand CCP acts so favorably towards corpthieves. There is little you can do about it, except distrust everyone - creating a game of hatred and paranoia, niet comradship and teamwork.
My corporation is chronically lacking members - we dare not take in recruits through the regular ways, and contacting them on an invite basis is hard, since we are looking for specific types - and advertising this would be the easiest way.
Corpthieves are the scum of EVE, and unfortunately there is no solid way in preventing them to enter your corp - if they work on it long and hard enough, they can always gain a position in which they can harm the corp sufficiently.
I hope Genco does look at legal actions against the thieves or CCP, the EULA did leave some room for retribution.
Regards
- Obscur, Pocket CEO of z0rg Enterprises.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:17:00 -
[147]
Layers make money by turning as much as they can into "cases". Its why we love them so much.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:17:00 -
[148]
Layers make money by turning as much as they can into "cases". Its why we love them so much.
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:32:00 -
[149]
On behalf of Terracor, good luck with whatever happens for you and your corp. It would be a sad thing not to see your great pilots in the stars Genco!
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:32:00 -
[150]
On behalf of Terracor, good luck with whatever happens for you and your corp. It would be a sad thing not to see your great pilots in the stars Genco!
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Dopefish
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:17:00 -
[151]
Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs
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Dopefish
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:17:00 -
[152]
Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:36:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Dopefish
Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs
on the other hand this would force CCP into trying to secure corp property in a better degree something we sorely need
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:36:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Dopefish
Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs
on the other hand this would force CCP into trying to secure corp property in a better degree something we sorely need
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 16:30:00 -
[155]
on another another hand :P ccp have more money than us average people do so r/l law woudlnt work
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 16:30:00 -
[156]
on another another hand :P ccp have more money than us average people do so r/l law woudlnt work
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:56:00 -
[157]
First day of war:
First battle
2 poddings so far, 1 moa.
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:56:00 -
[158]
First day of war:
First battle
2 poddings so far, 1 moa.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 21:13:00 -
[159]
i heard ;)
nice vid btw
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.28 21:13:00 -
[160]
i heard ;)
nice vid btw
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athrith
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Posted - 2004.07.29 04:36:00 -
[161]
Edited by: athrith on 29/07/2004 04:45:26
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athrith
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Posted - 2004.07.29 04:36:00 -
[162]
Edited by: athrith on 29/07/2004 04:45:26
sad
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Grandorrr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 05:39:00 -
[163]
Amazing people get so worked up about a simple game. Mark it off as a loss and carry on, no sense ****ing and moaning about what you lost, rather than pursuing the person, or persons that did this, why dont you use the manpower to recover what you lost?
BTW, hello everybody from Genco!
Grandorr smash!
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Grandorrr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 05:39:00 -
[164]
Amazing people get so worked up about a simple game. Mark it off as a loss and carry on, no sense ****ing and moaning about what you lost, rather than pursuing the person, or persons that did this, why dont you use the manpower to recover what you lost?
BTW, hello everybody from Genco!
Grandorr smash!
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:16:00 -
[165]
a year of playing the game hard to get the stuff to have it all nicked by an ass? thats a game wrecker, i wouldnt carry on playing after loosing everything id worked for sicne i started playing.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:16:00 -
[166]
a year of playing the game hard to get the stuff to have it all nicked by an ass? thats a game wrecker, i wouldnt carry on playing after loosing everything id worked for sicne i started playing.
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2004.07.29 09:05:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Dopefish
Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs
I aggree with you on this, why would someone take legal action about something happening in a game???
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2004.07.29 09:05:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Dopefish
Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs
I aggree with you on this, why would someone take legal action about something happening in a game???
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:37:00 -
[169]
Edited by: nieo on 29/07/2004 10:44:42
Nice alt there Grandorr. The one faking this Grandorr totally forgot what the ORIGINAL Grandorr said and did I take it?
Maybe its Harberk hiding and saying something for the first time but lacking the courage to do it on his own.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:37:00 -
[170]
Edited by: nieo on 29/07/2004 10:44:42
Nice alt there Grandorr. The one faking this Grandorr totally forgot what the ORIGINAL Grandorr said and did I take it?
Maybe its Harberk hiding and saying something for the first time but lacking the courage to do it on his own.
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:00:00 -
[171]
Edited by: CloseRage on 29/07/2004 14:01:48
Originally by: nieo
Edited by: nieo on 29/07/2004 10:44:42
Maybe its Harberk hiding and saying something for the first time but lacking the courage to do it on his own.
LOL
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:00:00 -
[172]
Edited by: CloseRage on 29/07/2004 14:01:48
Originally by: nieo
Edited by: nieo on 29/07/2004 10:44:42
Maybe its Harberk hiding and saying something for the first time but lacking the courage to do it on his own.
LOL
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:54:00 -
[173]
i carnt download the vid, comes with codeic error or somethig close to theis, i am using windows xp, with media, any ideas...
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:54:00 -
[174]
i carnt download the vid, comes with codeic error or somethig close to theis, i am using windows xp, with media, any ideas...
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Grandorrr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 16:42:00 -
[175]
First off, Ja'Kar, try downloading Divx, that will most likely fix your problem.
Secondly, yes, this is grandorr, currently having account problems. First it was because paybycash magically took away Paypal as a payment method, not so bad.. Then i tried Yahoo service, they say they dont live at my address and even when i do send them proof with bills with mailing addresses they still havent unlocked my account. So to hell with it and i sent a money order through the mail, hopefully it will work this time......
If you dont believe its me, do you still have the ventrillo server? I have no qualms connecting and talking in my rather intelligible banter. :)
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Grandorrr
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Posted - 2004.07.29 16:42:00 -
[176]
First off, Ja'Kar, try downloading Divx, that will most likely fix your problem.
Secondly, yes, this is grandorr, currently having account problems. First it was because paybycash magically took away Paypal as a payment method, not so bad.. Then i tried Yahoo service, they say they dont live at my address and even when i do send them proof with bills with mailing addresses they still havent unlocked my account. So to hell with it and i sent a money order through the mail, hopefully it will work this time......
If you dont believe its me, do you still have the ventrillo server? I have no qualms connecting and talking in my rather intelligible banter. :)
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Vinnie Paul
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Posted - 2004.07.29 16:45:00 -
[177]
Why not a real life lawsuit , or criminal charges even ?
We pay with real money , invest real time. Corp thieves rumored to sell stolen goods on ebay. Thats a wire transfer type crime. Could be handled by US Postal inspectors same as if you hacked my account and used my CC to pay for the stuff. Could be construed as trafficking in stolen goods. Could even taint the person receiving the items or in posession of them down the line.
CCP wouldnt even be involved, unless a staff member turned out to be in on it. Just the act of a criminaly minded individual perpetrated for personal gain at the expense of others. Which I would take as a good definition of most crimes. In real life or within our little world of EVE.
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Vinnie Paul
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Posted - 2004.07.29 16:45:00 -
[178]
Why not a real life lawsuit , or criminal charges even ?
We pay with real money , invest real time. Corp thieves rumored to sell stolen goods on ebay. Thats a wire transfer type crime. Could be handled by US Postal inspectors same as if you hacked my account and used my CC to pay for the stuff. Could be construed as trafficking in stolen goods. Could even taint the person receiving the items or in posession of them down the line.
CCP wouldnt even be involved, unless a staff member turned out to be in on it. Just the act of a criminaly minded individual perpetrated for personal gain at the expense of others. Which I would take as a good definition of most crimes. In real life or within our little world of EVE.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:53:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Vinnie Paul
Why not a real life lawsuit , or criminal charges even ?
We pay with real money , invest real time. Corp thieves rumored to sell stolen goods on ebay. Thats a wire transfer type crime. Could be handled by US Postal inspectors same as if you hacked my account and used my CC to pay for the stuff. Could be construed as trafficking in stolen goods. Could even taint the person receiving the items or in posession of them down the line.
CCP wouldnt even be involved, unless a staff member turned out to be in on it. Just the act of a criminaly minded individual perpetrated for personal gain at the expense of others. Which I would take as a good definition of most crimes. In real life or within our little world of EVE.
i dont know what country you are from but in the United States of America you can make a lawsuit against anyone at any time for any reason
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:53:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Vinnie Paul
Why not a real life lawsuit , or criminal charges even ?
We pay with real money , invest real time. Corp thieves rumored to sell stolen goods on ebay. Thats a wire transfer type crime. Could be handled by US Postal inspectors same as if you hacked my account and used my CC to pay for the stuff. Could be construed as trafficking in stolen goods. Could even taint the person receiving the items or in posession of them down the line.
CCP wouldnt even be involved, unless a staff member turned out to be in on it. Just the act of a criminaly minded individual perpetrated for personal gain at the expense of others. Which I would take as a good definition of most crimes. In real life or within our little world of EVE.
i dont know what country you are from but in the United States of America you can make a lawsuit against anyone at any time for any reason
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.07.30 09:24:00 -
[181]
Originally by: tigress
First day of war:
First battle
2 poddings so far, 1 moa.
I made it with xvid actually, ejiwil keeps hounding me about how I should use that instead of divx... so those of you having trouble with playback should install Xvid.
And I just wanted to clarify one thing: Ganking a nub in his Moa (with a crow and a bb) isn't something we're especially proud of, the video was made more as something for the other Genco members so they know the war has begun and we had first blood ;)
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.07.30 09:24:00 -
[182]
Originally by: tigress
First day of war:
First battle
2 poddings so far, 1 moa.
I made it with xvid actually, ejiwil keeps hounding me about how I should use that instead of divx... so those of you having trouble with playback should install Xvid.
And I just wanted to clarify one thing: Ganking a nub in his Moa (with a crow and a bb) isn't something we're especially proud of, the video was made more as something for the other Genco members so they know the war has begun and we had first blood ;)
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.30 09:32:00 -
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i wouldnt of thought of real life legal action. but the way u put it paw, i would consider it
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.30 09:32:00 -
[184]
i wouldnt of thought of real life legal action. but the way u put it paw, i would consider it
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Jobby
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:06:00 -
[185]
Bah, some people just deserve to be castrated with a rusty butterkinfe. Good luck on getting your stuff back, Genco. And **** the culprit(s) royally either way.
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Jobby
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:06:00 -
[186]
Bah, some people just deserve to be castrated with a rusty butterkinfe. Good luck on getting your stuff back, Genco. And **** the culprit(s) royally either way.
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.07.30 17:33:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Jobby
Bah, some people just deserve to be castrated with a rusty butterkinfe.
It hurts  
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.07.30 17:33:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Jobby
Bah, some people just deserve to be castrated with a rusty butterkinfe.
It hurts
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.07.30 17:50:00 -
[189]
Sorry to hear this happened to Genco. it's hard to tell who's really someone to trust or not. and it makes it that much harder for people that can be trusted (such as myself) to gain the trust of CEOs. why would they ever want to risk being wipped out? Something does need to be done about Corp theivery unfortunatly I can't really think of to much to help you other than something involving concord :)
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.07.30 17:50:00 -
[190]
Sorry to hear this happened to Genco. it's hard to tell who's really someone to trust or not. and it makes it that much harder for people that can be trusted (such as myself) to gain the trust of CEOs. why would they ever want to risk being wipped out? Something does need to be done about Corp theivery unfortunatly I can't really think of to much to help you other than something involving concord :)
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.31 08:55:00 -
[191]
constant podding by concord for the rest of the thief's life
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.07.31 08:55:00 -
[192]
constant podding by concord for the rest of the thief's life
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.01 09:22:00 -
[193]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Constant podding by Concord for the rest of the thief's life
Why not lol 
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.01 09:22:00 -
[194]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Constant podding by Concord for the rest of the thief's life
Why not lol
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.01 11:08:00 -
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banish them to 0.0 TPS space, c if they can make a living ore thieving there
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.01 11:08:00 -
[196]
banish them to 0.0 TPS space, c if they can make a living ore thieving there
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Orion Shurtak
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Posted - 2004.08.01 11:18:00 -
[197]
I feel for you I don't know these guys, but my corp is on the lookout for them and if they are seen in .4 and below, they are toast
Good luck in the war!
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Orion Shurtak
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Posted - 2004.08.01 11:18:00 -
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I feel for you I don't know these guys, but my corp is on the lookout for them and if they are seen in .4 and below, they are toast
Good luck in the war!
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Apostle Benedict
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Posted - 2004.08.02 04:58:00 -
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I would like to draw everone's attention to the F.A.Q. of the game that all people read before playing the game.
Quote:
Section 6.7 FAQ (Corporations)
6.7 Can I be a corporate spy?
Spying, scheming, double-dealing and espionage are devilishly delicious features of EVE for those who relish walking on the dark side. Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks.
So everything I have done was legal. The only down fall is that I have let down my co worker drakowolf and the rest of his corp. due to all this situation I have negotiated with rufus to have them end war with drako corp. Majority of all bpo and bpc is being returned. as proof I did return small shield extender II and energized thermic membrane II to its rightfull owner in genco by the name of Sixkiller. The rest is being transfered hopefully within the next few days as i get communication from both drako and rufus corp concerning war being completly over and both of corp's can return to their regular business.
Apostle Benedict
long live the Blood Raiders.
a Blood Raider by blood, but brought up by the good.
ps this must be a reason why im handing the stuff bck to genco corp.
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Apostle Benedict
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Posted - 2004.08.02 04:58:00 -
[200]
I would like to draw everone's attention to the F.A.Q. of the game that all people read before playing the game.
Quote:
Section 6.7 FAQ (Corporations)
6.7 Can I be a corporate spy?
Spying, scheming, double-dealing and espionage are devilishly delicious features of EVE for those who relish walking on the dark side. Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks.
So everything I have done was legal. The only down fall is that I have let down my co worker drakowolf and the rest of his corp. due to all this situation I have negotiated with rufus to have them end war with drako corp. Majority of all bpo and bpc is being returned. as proof I did return small shield extender II and energized thermic membrane II to its rightfull owner in genco by the name of Sixkiller. The rest is being transfered hopefully within the next few days as i get communication from both drako and rufus corp concerning war being completly over and both of corp's can return to their regular business.
Apostle Benedict
long live the Blood Raiders.
a Blood Raider by blood, but brought up by the good.
ps this must be a reason why im handing the stuff bck to genco corp.
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Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.02 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:28:02
This is really comical
Granted GEnco forced me to Quit Rebeles LTD-ive been gone for the last 2 weeks -was out with my M-16 training :)
only to login see a message saying war and to have some one kill me AND funny as i never saw a shot fired becuase as soon as i exited within 3 secondsi seemily crashed- IMHo thats just too convieniant that i crash as im being attacked and relogin in a pod the same ****p that killed my Cruiser in 3 seconds took 6 sec to kill my pod and get fired upon- MY attacker saying its my Ceo's fault i died...
since my CEo wasnt on I called their pilot a female dog in heat :) you get the meaning:))
they then spam me with threatening Emails saying i would be pettitioned for harrasement by their memeber named SPanky "spanker"
(guess he not a hands free type of guy.
Wether they did or didn't doesnt matter apostle said he did... BUT on Reading these 5 pages let clear up some facts
Rebels LTD was formed way before any theft Rebels LTD HAD a very sizable inventory- they DIDNt form after the theft-
NOw genco Leader admited HE forgot he had Directors who were ALTs and this Points to Corporate mismanagement
The Name of the GAME is Power and Esponiage
Genco surely had the power But they left the keys to the Backdoor under the floormat.
Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.02 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:28:02
This is really comical
Granted GEnco forced me to Quit Rebeles LTD-ive been gone for the last 2 weeks -was out with my M-16 training :)
only to login see a message saying war and to have some one kill me AND funny as i never saw a shot fired becuase as soon as i exited within 3 secondsi seemily crashed- IMHo thats just too convieniant that i crash as im being attacked and relogin in a pod the same ****p that killed my Cruiser in 3 seconds took 6 sec to kill my pod and get fired upon- MY attacker saying its my Ceo's fault i died...
since my CEo wasnt on I called their pilot a female dog in heat :) you get the meaning:))
they then spam me with threatening Emails saying i would be pettitioned for harrasement by their memeber named SPanky "spanker"
(guess he not a hands free type of guy.
Wether they did or didn't doesnt matter apostle said he did... BUT on Reading these 5 pages let clear up some facts
Rebels LTD was formed way before any theft Rebels LTD HAD a very sizable inventory- they DIDNt form after the theft-
NOw genco Leader admited HE forgot he had Directors who were ALTs and this Points to Corporate mismanagement
The Name of the GAME is Power and Esponiage
Genco surely had the power But they left the keys to the Backdoor under the floormat.
Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.02 05:21:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:30:23
Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:28:27
Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:24:17
Originally by: Veneth
Sorry to hear this happened to Genco. it's hard to tell who's really someone to trust or not. and it makes it that much harder for people that can be trusted (such as myself) to gain the trust of CEOs. why would they ever want to risk being wipped out? Something does need to be done about Corp theivery unfortunatly I can't really think of to much to help you other than something involving concord :)
Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks
GIgantic Solar system sale going on
Prices real cheap
"com message from a hauler in space to ships flying by "hey Mac wanna buy a slightly used &^*( real cheap"
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Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.02 05:21:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:30:23
Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:28:27
Edited by: Csidron BD on 02/08/2004 05:24:17
Originally by: Veneth
Sorry to hear this happened to Genco. it's hard to tell who's really someone to trust or not. and it makes it that much harder for people that can be trusted (such as myself) to gain the trust of CEOs. why would they ever want to risk being wipped out? Something does need to be done about Corp theivery unfortunatly I can't really think of to much to help you other than something involving concord :)
Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks
GIgantic Solar system sale going on
Prices real cheap
"com message from a hauler in space to ships flying by "hey Mac wanna buy a slightly used &^*( real cheap"
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flyertuck
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Posted - 2004.08.02 14:49:00 -
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ya i agree,,, they need to pay hard for what they did,, genco helped me alot when i was a noob,, and its just on,, it sux,, genco are a good corp,, no infact a ****ing nice corp.. it would make em **** if 50 corps declard war on em,, and sat at every station they went to,,
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flyertuck
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Posted - 2004.08.02 14:49:00 -
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ya i agree,,, they need to pay hard for what they did,, genco helped me alot when i was a noob,, and its just on,, it sux,, genco are a good corp,, no infact a ****ing nice corp.. it would make em **** if 50 corps declard war on em,, and sat at every station they went to,,
flyer
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.03 08:30:00 -
[207]
Originally by: flyertuck
They need to pay hard for what they did,, genco helped me alot when i was a noob,, and its just on,, it sux,, genco are a good corp,, no infact a ****ing nice corp..
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.03 08:30:00 -
[208]
Originally by: flyertuck
They need to pay hard for what they did,, genco helped me alot when i was a noob,, and its just on,, it sux,, genco are a good corp,, no infact a ****ing nice corp..
Yes we are cant agree more
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ZURAN 666
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:54:00 -
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It is sad that you did not guard the control of your corp a little better. Too many people with too much access that alot of people do not know about. This is an aold comptuer programmer trick to leave a back door to a network that they have setup. You got robbed cause you left your window open. Let it be a lesson to better organize your corp and know exactly who has what access and who it was granted by.
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ZURAN 666
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:54:00 -
[210]
It is sad that you did not guard the control of your corp a little better. Too many people with too much access that alot of people do not know about. This is an aold comptuer programmer trick to leave a back door to a network that they have setup. You got robbed cause you left your window open. Let it be a lesson to better organize your corp and know exactly who has what access and who it was granted by.
Kein Mehrheit F³r Die Mitleid |
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Shootemup
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Posted - 2004.08.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
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Shootemup
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Posted - 2004.08.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:45:00 -
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zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:45:00 -
[214]
zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:40:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 03/08/2004 17:42:00
Originally by: Shootemup
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
Point of the matter was they where suid for serving hot Coffe
anyway in the US you can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything that is a fact
how many cases have there been in the US where Doctors have been suid for trying to save a persons life and failed (although they did everything in their power) thats not saying you are going to win just that you have the right to file a suit (and that this country is sue crazy IMHO)
granted i am Danish (although living in the states) i am just used to a deferent system then the one in the states so i may not get all the facts right when it comes to the law in the states
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:40:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 03/08/2004 17:42:00
Originally by: Shootemup
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $)
One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption.
Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court.
Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible.
It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't.
Point of the matter was they where suid for serving hot Coffe
anyway in the US you can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything that is a fact
how many cases have there been in the US where Doctors have been suid for trying to save a persons life and failed (although they did everything in their power) thats not saying you are going to win just that you have the right to file a suit (and that this country is sue crazy IMHO)
granted i am Danish (although living in the states) i am just used to a deferent system then the one in the states so i may not get all the facts right when it comes to the law in the states
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.08.03 19:26:00 -
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I too had something like this happen to me last year. So I can feel your pain, I'm sure not as badly. Although I actually quit the game because of it. I had my own Corp with about 25 members or so and after 3-4 monoths another Corp merged with us. They had been together for quite some time and a character had trained with alot of R&D and production skills. So, needless to say, I put her in charge of them. We had avery ammo, missile, most gunnery, a few Frigates and a number of other BPO's, all researched to the max. The previous week to our theft was we had all of our equipment stolen. I restricted everyones access except for mine and the R&D person. Then I looged on and we had nothing. Queen Amethyst was the name of the character. It was supposedly a girl and she shared an account with her b/f, Grimmacker (Grimmacker Corp). Later she was in his Corp. I am still not sure if they were one person or really 2 people. But I did find out we got a little revenge. Some of his fellow Corp mates that he entrusted took everything and left him. An ex corp mate of mine became a pirate in the Syndicate Region and that just happened to be where he (Grimmacker) was stationed. Ahhh, the sweet revenge my ex-corp mate got for us :)
But I'm now back in the game with a new charater and not trusting anyone except for the few I've befriended when I played Planetside for a while.
P.S. I didn't ditch the rest of my corp members. We all talked and found a nice corp for them to settle into and then I left.
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.08.03 19:26:00 -
[218]
I too had something like this happen to me last year. So I can feel your pain, I'm sure not as badly. Although I actually quit the game because of it. I had my own Corp with about 25 members or so and after 3-4 monoths another Corp merged with us. They had been together for quite some time and a character had trained with alot of R&D and production skills. So, needless to say, I put her in charge of them. We had avery ammo, missile, most gunnery, a few Frigates and a number of other BPO's, all researched to the max. The previous week to our theft was we had all of our equipment stolen. I restricted everyones access except for mine and the R&D person. Then I looged on and we had nothing. Queen Amethyst was the name of the character. It was supposedly a girl and she shared an account with her b/f, Grimmacker (Grimmacker Corp). Later she was in his Corp. I am still not sure if they were one person or really 2 people. But I did find out we got a little revenge. Some of his fellow Corp mates that he entrusted took everything and left him. An ex corp mate of mine became a pirate in the Syndicate Region and that just happened to be where he (Grimmacker) was stationed. Ahhh, the sweet revenge my ex-corp mate got for us :)
But I'm now back in the game with a new charater and not trusting anyone except for the few I've befriended when I played Planetside for a while.
P.S. I didn't ditch the rest of my corp members. We all talked and found a nice corp for them to settle into and then I left.
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Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.03 22:53:00 -
[219]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
Go ahead Genco said the War was over Max but if you want to pod people then you will just be acting like a little punk pulling a temper tantrum....
but you will do what you think you should so lkeep your insurance up to date
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Csidron BD
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Posted - 2004.08.03 22:53:00 -
[220]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
zuron the person that allowed apostle get the stuff was a trusted member for a very long time. now after nearly a year of him being in the corp and doing nothing wrong u would think thats a reason to trust him?
harberk still hasnt posted with his main, and drako has left the thread. they are all guilty, and at the end of the day rebels still harbour a thief.
rebels should die. genco were a nice corp and always helpful. the only reason thieving is allowed is because ccp have no way of dealing with it.
personally, i will pod any of u i c in unsecure space, even if the stuff has been returned to the rightful owners.
Go ahead Genco said the War was over Max but if you want to pod people then you will just be acting like a little punk pulling a temper tantrum....
but you will do what you think you should so lkeep your insurance up to date
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:22:00 -
[221]
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.04 16:22:00 -
[222]
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:39:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
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DrakoWolf
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Posted - 2004.08.04 18:39:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.08.04 19:51:00 -
[225]
Originally by: DrakoWolf
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
The war was declared again because we miss a lot of our bps, Taranis BPO, All Cruiser BPOs, all large module BPOs to name a few.
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Posted - 2004.08.04 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong
oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much
Well just to make you happy Sandberg. Genco is resetting war upon my corporation Rebels Ltd. yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. but since he's in a damn newbie corp we can't even set war on em to go after him which really sucks! So since genco are unsatisfied they decide to relaunch the war upon rebels ltd. making this pure BS! I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
The war was declared again because we miss a lot of our bps, Taranis BPO, All Cruiser BPOs, all large module BPOs to name a few.
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
Thats BS and u know it Drakowolf if u really "know" Apostle Benedict irl u should take a really long and serious talk whit him and NOT accept any excuses/BS from him 
and i still belive u where involved in the theft!!!
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CloseRage
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:19:00 -
[228]
Originally by: DrakoWolf
yet they did receive back all their tech II and tons of bpo bpcs of items they had.
Thats BS and u know it Drakowolf if u really "know" Apostle Benedict irl u should take a really long and serious talk whit him and NOT accept any excuses/BS from him
and i still belive u where involved in the theft!!!
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: DrakoWolf
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
This argument doesn't belong here. You are guilty and you only do pathetic attempts to plead your innocence. It's obvious you are the one.
The only evidence that we are wrong you can pull out is Harberk's audit logs. Rejoin Genco, and let us check his audit logs, then we'll know for sure who's the thief and liar. You don't even have to leave the station to do that..
Nieo has nothing to do with this, that's a ridiculous remark. First off he's a real life friend of the founders of Genco, and beside from that, he also left the corp the 16:th of june. Checking the audit logs on myself shows I set Apostle's access down to query ONLY on ALL hangars on july 2nd.
What's this talk of that Apostle had his access for months without anyone of us noticing? Before I set it down, he only had access to 3 basic hangars that pretty much all the members who've been in the corp for more than 1 month has.
Stop lying and give us the items back.
The deal is either this:
Give Genco the Taranis BPO AND 3 billion isk. Instead of the 3 billion isk though, we would PREFER all the items, money, ships, blueprints and tech II components you stole from us. I want Drakowolf himself to hand over this, and we won't discount the ship you lose in the war we have against you.
Or this:
Be forced to play in the noob corp for the rest of your eve careers, because we will set an example of this. Calling us liars that we reissued the war is not either totally justified, it was a strategy to get some of our Tech II originals back before we blew all the bridges. Now we have nothing to lose.
Even if we did lie, I don't think lying to a petty thief to get items back to its rightful owner isn't that big of a deal.
I don't want to take this conversation here anymore. The thread is not about whether Rebels Ltd. are behind this or not, it's about that we couldn't do anything about it or get CLEAR evidence black on white. About bugs in this game. Afaik we haven't even whined about the losses, just about thiefs and liars who can't stand up for what they do. You still make me sick, Drakowolf.
Lastly, a huge thank you to all the corporations, both friends and enemies, for the great support and attention you show us.
Rufus Kex
CEO of Genco
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Rufus Kex
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:48:00 -
[230]
Originally by: DrakoWolf
I am very ****ed off at this point. because we where not involved. apostle had chosen to give stuff back to them to end the war between the actual good people within eve. I'm starting to wonder if its not one of their own members who had left genco at same time as my corp mate harberk.. Nieo left just before harberk did from what I was informed. I would start wondering whats up with you nieo. Starting to think this is all planed out between you and apostle.
This argument doesn't belong here. You are guilty and you only do pathetic attempts to plead your innocence. It's obvious you are the one.
The only evidence that we are wrong you can pull out is Harberk's audit logs. Rejoin Genco, and let us check his audit logs, then we'll know for sure who's the thief and liar. You don't even have to leave the station to do that..
Nieo has nothing to do with this, that's a ridiculous remark. First off he's a real life friend of the founders of Genco, and beside from that, he also left the corp the 16:th of june. Checking the audit logs on myself shows I set Apostle's access down to query ONLY on ALL hangars on july 2nd.
What's this talk of that Apostle had his access for months without anyone of us noticing? Before I set it down, he only had access to 3 basic hangars that pretty much all the members who've been in the corp for more than 1 month has.
Stop lying and give us the items back.
The deal is either this:
Give Genco the Taranis BPO AND 3 billion isk. Instead of the 3 billion isk though, we would PREFER all the items, money, ships, blueprints and tech II components you stole from us. I want Drakowolf himself to hand over this, and we won't discount the ship you lose in the war we have against you.
Or this:
Be forced to play in the noob corp for the rest of your eve careers, because we will set an example of this. Calling us liars that we reissued the war is not either totally justified, it was a strategy to get some of our Tech II originals back before we blew all the bridges. Now we have nothing to lose.
Even if we did lie, I don't think lying to a petty thief to get items back to its rightful owner isn't that big of a deal.
I don't want to take this conversation here anymore. The thread is not about whether Rebels Ltd. are behind this or not, it's about that we couldn't do anything about it or get CLEAR evidence black on white. About bugs in this game. Afaik we haven't even whined about the losses, just about thiefs and liars who can't stand up for what they do. You still make me sick, Drakowolf.
Lastly, a huge thank you to all the corporations, both friends and enemies, for the great support and attention you show us.
Rufus Kex
CEO of Genco
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:55:00 -
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ROFLMAO you are HILARIOUS Drakowolf.
I almost wet my pants here from rolling around on my floor LAUGHING at your horrible attempt to blame this theft you are part of on ME.
First off nieo had normal access to Genco Corphangars when I got control over him. I had no magic wand to wave and get things that normal members couldn't. Stop blame others and come out from the closet as a CORP THIEF. And bring your closet friend Harberk with you. You make such a cute couple!
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:55:00 -
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ROFLMAO you are HILARIOUS Drakowolf.
I almost wet my pants here from rolling around on my floor LAUGHING at your horrible attempt to blame this theft you are part of on ME.
First off nieo had normal access to Genco Corphangars when I got control over him. I had no magic wand to wave and get things that normal members couldn't. Stop blame others and come out from the closet as a CORP THIEF. And bring your closet friend Harberk with you. You make such a cute couple!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:59:00 -
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Discussion ended, or at least the flow is out of it.
If you want to talk more about McDonalds please post at the out of pod experience forums.
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.08.04 20:59:00 -
[234]
Discussion ended, or at least the flow is out of it.
If you want to talk more about McDonalds please post at the out of pod experience forums.
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
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