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Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.26 15:55:00 - [61] the thing is its not theft its a scam IMHO you fool someone into thinking you are a friend and then takes everything they have a theft would be some skills in game that would enable you to Copy and or steal BPO or maybe even items from a corp you DO NOT BELONG TO that would be a theft but the place for that is the new idear lab and not in here as for the scammers they should be banned from the game plain and simple or at the very least get a criminal flagging asigned to their Charectors Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.26 15:55:00 - [62] the thing is its not theft its a scam IMHO you fool someone into thinking you are a friend and then takes everything they have a theft would be some skills in game that would enable you to Copy and or steal BPO or maybe even items from a corp you DO NOT BELONG TO that would be a theft but the place for that is the new idear lab and not in here as for the scammers they should be banned from the game plain and simple or at the very least get a criminal flagging asigned to their Charectors Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Bible Dave	Posted - 2004.07.26 16:38:00 - [63] hey! .. ladz who knicked all the stuff!! ... you got owt for sale ??? wouldnt mind some nice bpo's .. rofl muahahaaha www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page
Bible Dave	Posted - 2004.07.26 16:38:00 - [64] hey! .. ladz who knicked all the stuff!! ... you got owt for sale ??? wouldnt mind some nice bpo's .. rofl muahahaaha www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page
Bible Dave	Posted - 2004.07.26 16:40:00 - [65] thats another zillion hours mining for u carebears !! ... rofl arrrrhh jim lad .. there be pirates about www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page
Bible Dave	Posted - 2004.07.26 16:40:00 - [66] thats another zillion hours mining for u carebears !! ... rofl arrrrhh jim lad .. there be pirates about www.dav3r.co.uk << my home page
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:10:00 - [67] Originally by: Harmonic Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:59 Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:36 Although I feel very sad that this has happened to former corp mates and friends i must raise a point. Was there not a corp theft previously where a warning was left about the openness of security? I know that the person who stole the bpo's was a director and "friend". I just think that perhaps its best that the BPO's are kept somewhere where only the ceo can access them? I know this is locking the door after the horse has bolted but perhaps other corps can learn from this tragedy! If i can help Genco with anything please let me know. I think it's very big of Harmonic to offer his assistance to Genco. Especially since he was (imho) wrongly accused of theft several months ago, on a much smaller scale. Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I met a lot of good people when I worked for Genco. If I can lend support, just let me know. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:10:00 - [68] Originally by: Harmonic Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:59 Edited by: Harmonic on 26/07/2004 11:17:36 Although I feel very sad that this has happened to former corp mates and friends i must raise a point. Was there not a corp theft previously where a warning was left about the openness of security? I know that the person who stole the bpo's was a director and "friend". I just think that perhaps its best that the BPO's are kept somewhere where only the ceo can access them? I know this is locking the door after the horse has bolted but perhaps other corps can learn from this tragedy! If i can help Genco with anything please let me know. I think it's very big of Harmonic to offer his assistance to Genco. Especially since he was (imho) wrongly accused of theft several months ago, on a much smaller scale. Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I met a lot of good people when I worked for Genco. If I can lend support, just let me know. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:30:00 - [69] Originally by: nieo This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors. I were also part of Ion Corp in Earth & Beyond with at least Drakowolf. How does that saying go? Somone tricks you once shame on them. Someone tricks you twice shame on you. I have to say I am amazed at how easily others will overlook past behavior thinking that this time whoever it is will be nice and honest. If you know someone pulled a dirty, underhanded maneuver on someone else why would anyone ever let that person get their hands on the keys again? People who have shown it is in their character to badly scam someone is never to be trusted...even if it was an enemy of your who was scammed initially and you are happy about it. Almost more a question of when, not if, that person will do the same again to you someday.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:30:00 - [70] Originally by: nieo This isn't the first time either them two, Harberk and Drakowolf, are accused of thievery. In their first corp (Ion Corp), which I also was part of starting during Beta, they were accused of thievery but nothing could be proven. Later on I accepted them into Genco and even agreed on making them directors. I were also part of Ion Corp in Earth & Beyond with at least Drakowolf. How does that saying go? Somone tricks you once shame on them. Someone tricks you twice shame on you. I have to say I am amazed at how easily others will overlook past behavior thinking that this time whoever it is will be nice and honest. If you know someone pulled a dirty, underhanded maneuver on someone else why would anyone ever let that person get their hands on the keys again? People who have shown it is in their character to badly scam someone is never to be trusted...even if it was an enemy of your who was scammed initially and you are happy about it. Almost more a question of when, not if, that person will do the same again to you someday.

Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:36:00 - [71] Originally by: Percivs Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money. My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe. Just a guess...
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:36:00 - [72] Originally by: Percivs Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money. My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe. Just a guess...
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.26 19:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Mon Palae Originally by: Percivs Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money. My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe. Just a guess... I agree with your surmise. I doubt that CCP (or anyone) can think of a 100% fullproof way to prevent corp theft. It basically comes down to two factors: (1) There will always be dishonest people, people ready to take advantage of your trust, and more importantly (2) Just about everyone has a price at which they will betray someone else. Usually, the penalty dissuades most people, but the only real penalty in Eve is the potential loss of friends. Sadly, it's hard to feel someone else's pain when they're just bits and pixels. I'm hoping the contract system offsets some of the lack of justice inherent in the system. (We should see more information before the end of the month, one of the CSM chats indicated that CCP intends to update it before months end, since at this point, they're pretty much at a feature freeze for Shiva.) --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.26 19:09:00 - [74] Originally by: Mon Palae Originally by: Percivs Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money. My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe. Just a guess... I agree with your surmise. I doubt that CCP (or anyone) can think of a 100% fullproof way to prevent corp theft. It basically comes down to two factors: (1) There will always be dishonest people, people ready to take advantage of your trust, and more importantly (2) Just about everyone has a price at which they will betray someone else. Usually, the penalty dissuades most people, but the only real penalty in Eve is the potential loss of friends. Sadly, it's hard to feel someone else's pain when they're just bits and pixels. I'm hoping the contract system offsets some of the lack of justice inherent in the system. (We should see more information before the end of the month, one of the CSM chats indicated that CCP intends to update it before months end, since at this point, they're pretty much at a feature freeze for Shiva.) --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Jael Markinsen	Posted - 2004.07.26 19:43:00 - [75] Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so. Damn, with friends like that who needs enemies.
Jael Markinsen	Posted - 2004.07.26 19:43:00 - [76] Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? ****-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so. Damn, with friends like that who needs enemies.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:18:00 - [77] <---also former member of Genco they better stay out of my way cos im not gonna show mercy. ill help anyway i can to ** those **s up :@:@:@:@ My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:18:00 - [78] <---also former member of Genco they better stay out of my way cos im not gonna show mercy. ill help anyway i can to ** those **s up :@:@:@:@ My vids and random stuff
Cordova	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:41:00 - [79] This is truely a sad day for Genco. ------------------------------ [url="http://helix.forums.fi/[/url] Director of Military Operations
Cordova	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:41:00 - [80] This is truely a sad day for Genco. ------------------------------ [url="http://helix.forums.fi/[/url] Director of Military Operations

Ashelth	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Mon Palae Originally by: Percivs Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money. My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe. Just a guess... Nothing in eve is newbie friendly. If you look back over the last 6 months of patching you'll see that CCP is slowly working to add in more protection for newplayers. Criminal flagging Sentry gun changes Market warnings Insurance and so on. The funniest thing are the players that solely crave the pvp and are up in arms about things like sentry guns and insurance. Who exactly do they think they'll have to shoot once they remove insurance and 'safe' ways for the bulk of the players in eve to make money?
Ashelth	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 - [82] Edited by: Ashelth on 26/07/2004 20:44:34 bah I = moron
Ashelth	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 - [83] Edited by: Ashelth on 26/07/2004 20:44:34 bah I = moron
Ashelth	Posted - 2004.07.26 20:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Mon Palae Originally by: Percivs Genco obviously had warning of this (see nieo's post a little after Harmonic's, above), and while it's sad to see, it's sadder the CCP thinks this kind of IRL scamming is part of the game environment. I have always wondered about CCPs reasons for allowing this too. This must hurt CCP more than it helps as scams like this will likely see more people leave EVE entirely after they watch several months of work go down the tubes. I doubt CCP will make that player base back in those who wish to scam and in the end CCP does this for money. My guess is they didn't want to get bogged down with what would likely be piles of petitions from people saying person X took item Y unfairly. Instead CCP avoided that kind of nickle and dime stuff by saying scamming was legal and then marekting it as a cool part of the EVE universe. Just a guess... Nothing in eve is newbie friendly. If you look back over the last 6 months of patching you'll see that CCP is slowly working to add in more protection for newplayers. Criminal flagging Sentry gun changes Market warnings Insurance and so on. The funniest thing are the players that solely crave the pvp and are up in arms about things like sentry guns and insurance. Who exactly do they think they'll have to shoot once they remove insurance and 'safe' ways for the bulk of the players in eve to make money?
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.07.26 21:25:00 - [85] Killing the innocent of eve amuses me, but ther is a point where the fun and games stop. These 2 people are the scum of eve, and the worst thing is, no matter how many times u podkill them and take their ships, they arnt ever gonna be poor again. U dont have any way of getting retribution really. No matter how many bs and clones they lose it dosnt matter,, because what they stole is almost priceless. Hope ur corp stays together, but my advice is to move on. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.07.26 21:25:00 - [86] Killing the innocent of eve amuses me, but ther is a point where the fun and games stop. These 2 people are the scum of eve, and the worst thing is, no matter how many times u podkill them and take their ships, they arnt ever gonna be poor again. U dont have any way of getting retribution really. No matter how many bs and clones they lose it dosnt matter,, because what they stole is almost priceless. Hope ur corp stays together, but my advice is to move on. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Rufus Kex	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:44:00 - [87] Originally by: Jael Markinsen Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? **-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so. They aren't pirates (in the definition of Eve anyway), as far as I know. I've confronted Drakowolf about this numerous times, but they won't even admit to their crimes. They claim innocence, but they don't realize they have the evidence sticking out of their aes. He will claim innocence until the day he himself believes he's innocent. That's what saddens me the most, that they can't even admit to the lousy thievery they made. shakes head
Rufus Kex	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:44:00 - [88] Originally by: Jael Markinsen Well, Drakowolf and harberk or whatever your names are, care to drag your sorry asses on in here and spill out what you were thinking? 1500 something reads so far, as i post this, so i know one of you have seen this thread. judging form the name of your corp, maybe you are getting bored and want to start a pirate corp or something? at the others expense? **-poor reason to rob your friends like that if so. They aren't pirates (in the definition of Eve anyway), as far as I know. I've confronted Drakowolf about this numerous times, but they won't even admit to their crimes. They claim innocence, but they don't realize they have the evidence sticking out of their aes. He will claim innocence until the day he himself believes he's innocent. That's what saddens me the most, that they can't even admit to the lousy thievery they made. shakes head
Dopefish	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:46:00 - [89] Your behind hurts at first but you get over it. Swedish chef does not like cake
Dopefish	Posted - 2004.07.26 22:46:00 - [90] Your behind hurts at first but you get over it. Swedish chef does not like cake



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