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BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:31:00 - [91] Originally by: TomB What is being aimed for: Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size" - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos.[/[*]Making drones also lootable by decreasing their volume to allow players to take loot-drones into their cargo bay. 10x light drones won't be able to pwn a frigate (that is if the frigate fights the drones) just as 10x hvy drones won't be able to pwn a battleship, but a frigate with huge drone bay can continue launching drones for none stop action on his oponent, as well as Dominix would be able to launch none stop hvy drones at another battleship. I'm Confused. Will Heavy Drones take on a Frigate, or a Cruiser? I have no expectations of taking on a BS with Ogres, But I would like them to deal with Frigate and Cruiser Class targets. The Thorax Nerf, and the change in Drone size... WTH? Nerf the Drone hold and then change the size of Ogres? Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:31:00 - [92] Originally by: TomB What is being aimed for: Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size" - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos.[/[*]Making drones also lootable by decreasing their volume to allow players to take loot-drones into their cargo bay. 10x light drones won't be able to pwn a frigate (that is if the frigate fights the drones) just as 10x hvy drones won't be able to pwn a battleship, but a frigate with huge drone bay can continue launching drones for none stop action on his oponent, as well as Dominix would be able to launch none stop hvy drones at another battleship. I'm Confused. Will Heavy Drones take on a Frigate, or a Cruiser? I have no expectations of taking on a BS with Ogres, But I would like them to deal with Frigate and Cruiser Class targets. The Thorax Nerf, and the change in Drone size... WTH? Nerf the Drone hold and then change the size of Ogres? Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:33:00 - [93] Sounds like it is time to shelve the Raven and take up Elite Frigates.. Is this what Tech II is all about. Nerf the old Tech I to make Tech II more attractive. Upgrade or Die Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:33:00 - [94] Sounds like it is time to shelve the Raven and take up Elite Frigates.. Is this what Tech II is all about. Nerf the old Tech I to make Tech II more attractive. Upgrade or Die Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Xelios TBH those changes are better than what I thought would happen. I'm still worried that introducing tracking to drones will have some rather bad effects on pvp overall. With the turret nerfs and the missile nerf that's being discussed right now, drones are really the only reliable defense a battleship has against a frigate. From what I see here scout drones will be next to useless on a battleship, as according to yourself 10 of them won't be able to down a frigate effectively. Basically, people buy battleships so they don't get pwnd by a frigate or cruiser, not to fight other battleships. A frigate fleet of 40+ is very effective at fighting battleships even now, when these changes come in that's all PvP will consist of, massive frigate ganks. After all, why spend 100 mil isk on a battleship if you're more vulnerable to frigates in it than you would be in a frigate of your own? I find the whole situation confusing. Will Ogres counter Frigates, or will they be useless... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:42:00 - [96] Originally by: Xelios TBH those changes are better than what I thought would happen. I'm still worried that introducing tracking to drones will have some rather bad effects on pvp overall. With the turret nerfs and the missile nerf that's being discussed right now, drones are really the only reliable defense a battleship has against a frigate. From what I see here scout drones will be next to useless on a battleship, as according to yourself 10 of them won't be able to down a frigate effectively. Basically, people buy battleships so they don't get pwnd by a frigate or cruiser, not to fight other battleships. A frigate fleet of 40+ is very effective at fighting battleships even now, when these changes come in that's all PvP will consist of, massive frigate ganks. After all, why spend 100 mil isk on a battleship if you're more vulnerable to frigates in it than you would be in a frigate of your own? I find the whole situation confusing. Will Ogres counter Frigates, or will they be useless... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
MatStar	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:42:00 - [97] would it be possile to have maybe different sections/hangers to drone bay, currently when i need to launch my drones i just hit select all and then launch. however I only use heavy drones atm after these changes come in effect id have a few different types, to manually launch the drones would be a pain in the b*tt. I apoligse if theres somethin like this already in testing ill be on choas 2morrow to see what changes are like
MatStar	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:42:00 - [98] would it be possile to have maybe different sections/hangers to drone bay, currently when i need to launch my drones i just hit select all and then launch. however I only use heavy drones atm after these changes come in effect id have a few different types, to manually launch the drones would be a pain in the b*tt. I apoligse if theres somethin like this already in testing ill be on choas 2morrow to see what changes are like
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:49:00 - [99] Originally by: TomB Originally by: The Shrink Does this mean that heavy drones may struggle to hit frigs and cruisers ? Yes, but Bships will be able to carry loads of M and S drones, so a Bship focusing drones on a single frig/cruiser won't make the pilot very happy as it's none-stop-action ... it's fun thou' Ah Hell... I'm confused... A Raven can carry 6 Ogres... But you say there is going to be changes in the volume of a drone.. So a Raven can carry more Ogres, Hammerheads, Inflitrators... The Thorax' drone bay is getting the axe... But Drone size is changing so it might not matter much... Heavy drones will have a hard time against Frigate, and be more effective against Battleships... Who the Hell uses Ogre's against a Battleship.. LAG WILL BE A B***H.... Who needs to dump cans all over the place... just let loose a swarm of drones and let the lag kills begin... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:49:00 - [100] Originally by: TomB Originally by: The Shrink Does this mean that heavy drones may struggle to hit frigs and cruisers ? Yes, but Bships will be able to carry loads of M and S drones, so a Bship focusing drones on a single frig/cruiser won't make the pilot very happy as it's none-stop-action ... it's fun thou' Ah Hell... I'm confused... A Raven can carry 6 Ogres... But you say there is going to be changes in the volume of a drone.. So a Raven can carry more Ogres, Hammerheads, Inflitrators... The Thorax' drone bay is getting the axe... But Drone size is changing so it might not matter much... Heavy drones will have a hard time against Frigate, and be more effective against Battleships... Who the Hell uses Ogre's against a Battleship.. LAG WILL BE A B***H.... Who needs to dump cans all over the place... just let loose a swarm of drones and let the lag kills begin... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:51:00 - [101] Quote: I find the whole situation confusing. Will Ogres counter Frigates, or will they be useless... No, if I understand all this correctly Ogres and all heavy drones will not be able to hit frigates, and 10 light drones will not be able to kill a frigate if that frigate pilot wants to stay alive. Ie. frigates will be all but immune to drones.
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:51:00 - [102] Quote: I find the whole situation confusing. Will Ogres counter Frigates, or will they be useless... No, if I understand all this correctly Ogres and all heavy drones will not be able to hit frigates, and 10 light drones will not be able to kill a frigate if that frigate pilot wants to stay alive. Ie. frigates will be all but immune to drones.
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:52:00 - [103] Not knowing what to make of all this... I just started making 200 Hammerheads. and put the Ogres on the shelf.. Thanks for the Warning...I think Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:52:00 - [104] Not knowing what to make of all this... I just started making 200 Hammerheads. and put the Ogres on the shelf.. Thanks for the Warning...I think Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:56:00 - [105] Originally by: Xelios Quote: I find the whole situation confusing. Will Ogres counter Frigates, or will they be useless... No, if I understand all this correctly Ogres and all heavy drones will not be able to hit frigates, and 10 light drones will not be able to kill a frigate if that frigate pilot wants to stay alive. Ie. frigates will be all but immune to drones. I see that you are in the same boat as me. Tomb's post only makes a modest amount of sense, but leaves a great number of questions about what is going on with drones. What are miners going to use to stop frigates from attacking. Foul language in the Local Channel? It has been my experience that this isn't the most effective tactic to use. If I keep 10 Hammerheads out, will that chase off the Frigates, or are Frigates getting the bonus? Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:56:00 - [106] Originally by: Xelios Quote: I find the whole situation confusing. Will Ogres counter Frigates, or will they be useless... No, if I understand all this correctly Ogres and all heavy drones will not be able to hit frigates, and 10 light drones will not be able to kill a frigate if that frigate pilot wants to stay alive. Ie. frigates will be all but immune to drones. I see that you are in the same boat as me. Tomb's post only makes a modest amount of sense, but leaves a great number of questions about what is going on with drones. What are miners going to use to stop frigates from attacking. Foul language in the Local Channel? It has been my experience that this isn't the most effective tactic to use. If I keep 10 Hammerheads out, will that chase off the Frigates, or are Frigates getting the bonus? Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:59:00 - [107] 10 Hammerheads won't be able to kill a player frigate effectively, I dunno about NPC frigates. Go on Chaos and find out ;)
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:59:00 - [108] 10 Hammerheads won't be able to kill a player frigate effectively, I dunno about NPC frigates. Go on Chaos and find out ;)
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:01:00 - [109] Edited by: BIRDofPREY on 26/07/2004 04:03:30 Originally by: Xelios 10 Hammerheads won't be able to kill a player frigate effectively, I dunno about NPC frigates. Go on Chaos and find out ;) I give up.... This makes no sense and is a HUGE bonus to Frigate... But the Hammerhead is a Medium Drone? [The Day of the Great Battleship is Over] Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:01:00 - [110] Edited by: BIRDofPREY on 26/07/2004 04:03:30 Originally by: Xelios 10 Hammerheads won't be able to kill a player frigate effectively, I dunno about NPC frigates. Go on Chaos and find out ;) I give up.... This makes no sense and is a HUGE bonus to Frigate... But the Hammerhead is a Medium Drone? [The Day of the Great Battleship is Over] Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:05:00 - [111] Well I'm not sure about the medium drones, supposedly they'll only be able to track other cruisers though, so they might not even be able to hit frigs at all, or at least not for much damage.
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:05:00 - [112] Well I'm not sure about the medium drones, supposedly they'll only be able to track other cruisers though, so they might not even be able to hit frigs at all, or at least not for much damage.
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:07:00 - [113] Originally by: Xelios Well I'm not sure about the medium drones, supposedly they'll only be able to track other cruisers though, so they might not even be able to hit frigs at all, or at least not for much damage. I'm going to assume that we are both thinking with our keyboards.... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:07:00 - [114] Originally by: Xelios Well I'm not sure about the medium drones, supposedly they'll only be able to track other cruisers though, so they might not even be able to hit frigs at all, or at least not for much damage. I'm going to assume that we are both thinking with our keyboards.... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
Ash Severus	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:09:00 - [115] Originally by: Venril Your RP excuse made no sense either. Just like a missle today. It seeks out its target with deadly effectiveness. So telling me a drone can't do the same thing with the technology of eve is like saying that all figher pilots know how to dodge a missle simply because its predictable. If that were the case. We'd still be useing guns not missles. And yet that's the case. If a pilot can get a bead on the missile, he can dodge it quite easily by exploiting its poor maneuverability. That's assuming that the missile isn't outright fooled by active countermeasures (chaff or flares) or jammed into submission by ECM support aircraft. During Desert Storm, Iraq's surface-to-air missile defenses were so utterly nullified that Coalition aircraft could conduct their operations at medium and high altitudes with impunity. The main argument against automated drone aircraft for air-to-air combat is precisely what TomB said: robots are predictable. There's also no real reason to believe that artificial intelligence in the EVE universe has matched the increased potential of the human mind. If AI in EVE was so advanced that it could exhibit the same unpredictability, adaptation, and improvisation in combat that a human can, why is the CRC using humans as routers for a much simpler role?
Ash Severus	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:09:00 - [116] Originally by: Venril Your RP excuse made no sense either. Just like a missle today. It seeks out its target with deadly effectiveness. So telling me a drone can't do the same thing with the technology of eve is like saying that all figher pilots know how to dodge a missle simply because its predictable. If that were the case. We'd still be useing guns not missles. And yet that's the case. If a pilot can get a bead on the missile, he can dodge it quite easily by exploiting its poor maneuverability. That's assuming that the missile isn't outright fooled by active countermeasures (chaff or flares) or jammed into submission by ECM support aircraft. During Desert Storm, Iraq's surface-to-air missile defenses were so utterly nullified that Coalition aircraft could conduct their operations at medium and high altitudes with impunity. The main argument against automated drone aircraft for air-to-air combat is precisely what TomB said: robots are predictable. There's also no real reason to believe that artificial intelligence in the EVE universe has matched the increased potential of the human mind. If AI in EVE was so advanced that it could exhibit the same unpredictability, adaptation, and improvisation in combat that a human can, why is the CRC using humans as routers for a much simpler role?
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:33:00 - [117] Originally by: Ash Severus Originally by: Venril Your RP excuse made no sense either. Just like a missle today. It seeks out its target with deadly effectiveness. So telling me a drone can't do the same thing with the technology of eve is like saying that all figher pilots know how to dodge a missle simply because its predictable. If that were the case. We'd still be useing guns not missles. And yet that's the case. If a pilot can get a bead on the missile, he can dodge it quite easily by exploiting its poor maneuverability. That's assuming that the missile isn't outright fooled by active countermeasures (chaff or flares) or jammed into submission by ECM support aircraft. During Desert Storm, Iraq's surface-to-air missile defenses were so utterly nullified that Coalition aircraft could conduct their operations at medium and high altitudes with impunity. The main argument against automated drone aircraft for air-to-air combat is precisely what TomB said: robots are predictable. There's also no real reason to believe that artificial intelligence in the EVE universe has matched the increased potential of the human mind. If AI in EVE was so advanced that it could exhibit the same unpredictability, adaptation, and improvisation in combat that a human can, why is the CRC using humans as routers for a much simpler role? I'm seeing both sides of the argument, and trying to eqate EVE to Naval Defense Standards, is worst than trying to find the physics of the EVE universe and compare them to reality. [NOTE: Judging by their definition of a NEWTON, I think you will find little in common] In the end, I think it comes down to; "Don't try to dogfight with a B-52!" Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:33:00 - [118] Originally by: Ash Severus Originally by: Venril Your RP excuse made no sense either. Just like a missle today. It seeks out its target with deadly effectiveness. So telling me a drone can't do the same thing with the technology of eve is like saying that all figher pilots know how to dodge a missle simply because its predictable. If that were the case. We'd still be useing guns not missles. And yet that's the case. If a pilot can get a bead on the missile, he can dodge it quite easily by exploiting its poor maneuverability. That's assuming that the missile isn't outright fooled by active countermeasures (chaff or flares) or jammed into submission by ECM support aircraft. During Desert Storm, Iraq's surface-to-air missile defenses were so utterly nullified that Coalition aircraft could conduct their operations at medium and high altitudes with impunity. The main argument against automated drone aircraft for air-to-air combat is precisely what TomB said: robots are predictable. There's also no real reason to believe that artificial intelligence in the EVE universe has matched the increased potential of the human mind. If AI in EVE was so advanced that it could exhibit the same unpredictability, adaptation, and improvisation in combat that a human can, why is the CRC using humans as routers for a much simpler role? I'm seeing both sides of the argument, and trying to eqate EVE to Naval Defense Standards, is worst than trying to find the physics of the EVE universe and compare them to reality. [NOTE: Judging by their definition of a NEWTON, I think you will find little in common] In the end, I think it comes down to; "Don't try to dogfight with a B-52!" Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
aduck	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:37:00 - [119] Originally by: Xelios Trust me, when the very first tracking nerfs hit CA switched from mixed fleets to pure frigate gank. PvP turned into sitting there and waiting for them to leave, because even if we killed every single one of them if they'd killed just one of our battleships we'd have lost more than they. But that is the way it should be. Battleships should be for taking out other battleships and stations/set emplacements. They shouldn't be the 'be all/end all' of combat. A real battle group was a very diverse fleet of several different ship classes. A fleet of five battleships should lose to a fleet of one battleship, some ceptors, and cruisers. At first I was really **ed at the turret changes, because I love my thorax. But now it is fun in a paper/rock/scissor kind of way. I was **ed too when they nerfed my drone bay, but with word of drones taking up far less m3 space, it was probably very needed for balance purposes. But you people who think just because you spent 100m isk on a battleship should be able to dominate everything out there have another thing coming. It is going to get even worse with destroyers/battlecruisers/carriers.
aduck	Posted - 2004.07.26 04:37:00 - [120] Originally by: Xelios Trust me, when the very first tracking nerfs hit CA switched from mixed fleets to pure frigate gank. PvP turned into sitting there and waiting for them to leave, because even if we killed every single one of them if they'd killed just one of our battleships we'd have lost more than they. But that is the way it should be. Battleships should be for taking out other battleships and stations/set emplacements. They shouldn't be the 'be all/end all' of combat. A real battle group was a very diverse fleet of several different ship classes. A fleet of five battleships should lose to a fleet of one battleship, some ceptors, and cruisers. At first I was really **ed at the turret changes, because I love my thorax. But now it is fun in a paper/rock/scissor kind of way. I was **ed too when they nerfed my drone bay, but with word of drones taking up far less m3 space, it was probably very needed for balance purposes. But you people who think just because you spent 100m isk on a battleship should be able to dominate everything out there have another thing coming. It is going to get even worse with destroyers/battlecruisers/carriers.

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