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TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:15:00 - [1] Major drone testing and tuning is taking place on Chaos so the server will be rebooted/update quite rapidly and sometimes without any server messages, we are not asking for feedback or complaints on current situation on Chaos until we think it's worth asking for. What is being aimed for: Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size", giving them the ability to do wrecking hits etc. - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos. Allowing ships to carry way more drones of same size/smaller size than before, allowing them to send in waves after waves of drones in case they die. Retuning manufacturing cost of drones to make them more die'friendly. Allowing ships to fight drones back if they have close combat weaponry (or ofcourse smartbombs/missiles) by tuning their signatureRadius. Drones have been given super fast approuch velocity, so if the target is outside their range they will be moving at MWD based velocities. Making drones also lootable by decreasing their volume to allow players to take loot-drones into their cargo bay. 10x light drones won't be able to pwn a frigate (that is if the frigate fights the drones) just as 10x hvy drones won't be able to pwn a battleship, but a frigate with huge drone bay can continue launching drones for none stop action on his oponent, as well as Dominix would be able to launch none stop hvy drones at another battleship. HP's, velocities and tracking speeds are now varying more within size classes, making the lower damaging and less hp drones faster and better tracking; can be used for more efficient battling vs. smaller vessels Current statistics on Drones: Small Acolyte I Shield: 25 Armor: 75 Structure: 105 MWD Velocity: 2700 Tracking Speed: 1.6 (optimalSigRadius 25) EM Damage: 2 (calculated with damage multiplier) Hobgoblin I Shield: 35 Armor: 70 Structure: 150 MWD Velocity: 2025 Tracking Speed: 1 (optimalSigRadius 25) Thermal Damage: 3 (calculated with damage multiplier) Hornet I Shield: 60 Armor: 55 Structure: 85 MWD Velocity: 2475 Tracking Speed: 1.2 (optimalSigRadius 25) Kinetic Damage: 2.7 (calculated with damage multiplier) Warrior I Shield: 40 Armor: 60 Structure: 95 MWD Velocity: 3150 Tracking Speed: 1.4 (optimalSigRadius 25) Explosive Damage: 2.35 (calculated with damage multiplier) Medium Infiltrator I Shield: 50 Armor: 150 Structure: 210 MWD Velocity: 1800 Tracking Speed: 0.8 (optimalSigRadius 100) EM Damage: 7 (calculated with damage multiplier) Hammerhead I Shield: 70 Armor: 140 Structure: 300 MWD Velocity: 1350 Tracking Speed: 0.5 (optimalSigRadius 100) Thermal Damage: 10.5 (calculated with damage multiplier) Valkyrie I Shield: 80 Armor: 120 Structure: 190 MWD Velocity: 2100 Tracking Speed: 0.6 (optimalSigRadius 100) Explosive Damage: 8.225 (calculated with damage multiplier) Vespa I Shield: 120 Armor: 110 Structure: 170 MWD Velocity: 1650 Tracking Speed: 0.7 (optimalSigRadius 100) Kinetic Damage: 9.45 (calculated with damage multiplier) Large Berserker I Shield: 160 Armor: 240 Structure: 380 MWD Velocity: 1400 Tracking Speed: 0.35 (optimalSigRadius 350) Explosive Damage: 25.85 (calculated with damage multiplier) Ogre I Shield: 140 Armor: 280 Structure: 600 MWD Velocity: 900 Tracking Speed: 0.25 (optimalSigRadius 350) Thermal Damage: 33 (calculated with damage multiplier) Praetor I Shield: 100 Armor: 300 Structure: 420 MWD Velocity: 1200 Tracking Speed: 0.4 (optimalSigRadius 350) EM Damage: 22 (calculated with damage multiplier) Wasp I Shield: 240 Armor: 220 Structure: 340 MWD Velocity: 1100 Tracking Speed: 0.3 (optimalSigRadius 350) Kinetic Damage: 29.7 (calculated with damage multiplier) Current Drone Volumes: Small: 0.1 Medium: 1.0 Large: 10.0 Ship Drone Bay Examples in testing: Imicus: 6.0 Vexor: 60.0 Arbitrator: 40.0 Thorax: 40.0 Dominix: 600.0 Megathron: 300.0 Typhoon: 250.0 Please no negative feedback or WTX's based on the current situation on Chaos until we ask for it, but feedback on the aim is most welcome. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:15:00 - [2] Major drone testing and tuning is taking place on Chaos so the server will be rebooted/update quite rapidly and sometimes without any server messages, we are not asking for feedback or complaints on current situation on Chaos until we think it's worth asking for. What is being aimed for: Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size", giving them the ability to do wrecking hits etc. - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos. Allowing ships to carry way more drones of same size/smaller size than before, allowing them to send in waves after waves of drones in case they die. Retuning manufacturing cost of drones to make them more die'friendly. Allowing ships to fight drones back if they have close combat weaponry (or ofcourse smartbombs/missiles) by tuning their signatureRadius. Drones have been given super fast approuch velocity, so if the target is outside their range they will be moving at MWD based velocities. Making drones also lootable by decreasing their volume to allow players to take loot-drones into their cargo bay. 10x light drones won't be able to pwn a frigate (that is if the frigate fights the drones) just as 10x hvy drones won't be able to pwn a battleship, but a frigate with huge drone bay can continue launching drones for none stop action on his oponent, as well as Dominix would be able to launch none stop hvy drones at another battleship. HP's, velocities and tracking speeds are now varying more within size classes, making the lower damaging and less hp drones faster and better tracking; can be used for more efficient battling vs. smaller vessels Current statistics on Drones: Small Acolyte I Shield: 25 Armor: 75 Structure: 105 MWD Velocity: 2700 Tracking Speed: 1.6 (optimalSigRadius 25) EM Damage: 2 (calculated with damage multiplier) Hobgoblin I Shield: 35 Armor: 70 Structure: 150 MWD Velocity: 2025 Tracking Speed: 1 (optimalSigRadius 25) Thermal Damage: 3 (calculated with damage multiplier) Hornet I Shield: 60 Armor: 55 Structure: 85 MWD Velocity: 2475 Tracking Speed: 1.2 (optimalSigRadius 25) Kinetic Damage: 2.7 (calculated with damage multiplier) Warrior I Shield: 40 Armor: 60 Structure: 95 MWD Velocity: 3150 Tracking Speed: 1.4 (optimalSigRadius 25) Explosive Damage: 2.35 (calculated with damage multiplier) Medium Infiltrator I Shield: 50 Armor: 150 Structure: 210 MWD Velocity: 1800 Tracking Speed: 0.8 (optimalSigRadius 100) EM Damage: 7 (calculated with damage multiplier) Hammerhead I Shield: 70 Armor: 140 Structure: 300 MWD Velocity: 1350 Tracking Speed: 0.5 (optimalSigRadius 100) Thermal Damage: 10.5 (calculated with damage multiplier) Valkyrie I Shield: 80 Armor: 120 Structure: 190 MWD Velocity: 2100 Tracking Speed: 0.6 (optimalSigRadius 100) Explosive Damage: 8.225 (calculated with damage multiplier) Vespa I Shield: 120 Armor: 110 Structure: 170 MWD Velocity: 1650 Tracking Speed: 0.7 (optimalSigRadius 100) Kinetic Damage: 9.45 (calculated with damage multiplier) Large Berserker I Shield: 160 Armor: 240 Structure: 380 MWD Velocity: 1400 Tracking Speed: 0.35 (optimalSigRadius 350) Explosive Damage: 25.85 (calculated with damage multiplier) Ogre I Shield: 140 Armor: 280 Structure: 600 MWD Velocity: 900 Tracking Speed: 0.25 (optimalSigRadius 350) Thermal Damage: 33 (calculated with damage multiplier) Praetor I Shield: 100 Armor: 300 Structure: 420 MWD Velocity: 1200 Tracking Speed: 0.4 (optimalSigRadius 350) EM Damage: 22 (calculated with damage multiplier) Wasp I Shield: 240 Armor: 220 Structure: 340 MWD Velocity: 1100 Tracking Speed: 0.3 (optimalSigRadius 350) Kinetic Damage: 29.7 (calculated with damage multiplier) Current Drone Volumes: Small: 0.1 Medium: 1.0 Large: 10.0 Ship Drone Bay Examples in testing: Imicus: 6.0 Vexor: 60.0 Arbitrator: 40.0 Thorax: 40.0 Dominix: 600.0 Megathron: 300.0 Typhoon: 250.0 Please no negative feedback or WTX's based on the current situation on Chaos until we ask for it, but feedback on the aim is most welcome. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:20:00 - [3] SWEET
JoCool	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:20:00 - [4] SWEET
Runefinger	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:24:00 - [5] problem might be that all ships can use 10 drones now taking out the gallante drone bonus stuff. Also need to consider that frigs could use 10 heavy drones if they can carry a lot more etc. makes frigs pretty nasty :) apart from that all i think its a nice idea
Runefinger	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:24:00 - [6] problem might be that all ships can use 10 drones now taking out the gallante drone bonus stuff. Also need to consider that frigs could use 10 heavy drones if they can carry a lot more etc. makes frigs pretty nasty :) apart from that all i think its a nice idea
Sinjin Smythe	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:24:00 - [7] Sounds great. Can only imagine the swarms of drones a dominix will be able to carry. I also like the drone mwd feature. Does this means a drone carrier can sit back in a fight and launch drones from afar? Pretty neat if that is the case. Cant wait to try this out.
Sinjin Smythe	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:24:00 - [8] Sounds great. Can only imagine the swarms of drones a dominix will be able to carry. I also like the drone mwd feature. Does this means a drone carrier can sit back in a fight and launch drones from afar? Pretty neat if that is the case. Cant wait to try this out.
Meridius	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:25:00 - [9] Originally by: TomB [list] Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size" - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos. What do you mean by this exactly. Heavy drones are physically smaller then frigs so they shouldnt have a hard time hitting them right? TBH i think you're going to far again, all that needed to be changed was the infinite range bug, and now all this stuff about waves of drones Sounds like stuff that is going to drastically change pvp yet again. Anyway i shouldnt talk, i can't test atm, hope it all works out though. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:25:00 - [10] Originally by: TomB [list] Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size" - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos. What do you mean by this exactly. Heavy drones are physically smaller then frigs so they shouldnt have a hard time hitting them right? TBH i think you're going to far again, all that needed to be changed was the infinite range bug, and now all this stuff about waves of drones Sounds like stuff that is going to drastically change pvp yet again. Anyway i shouldnt talk, i can't test atm, hope it all works out though. ________________________________________________________
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Does this means a drone carrier can sit back in a fight and launch drones from afar? Yup and relaunch as they die 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Does this means a drone carrier can sit back in a fight and launch drones from afar? Yup and relaunch as they die 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:34:00 - [13] Won't the increase in drones (the 'waves') just lead to lag city ? Or are you also optimizing the drone graphics and bandwidth usage etc ?
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:34:00 - [14] Won't the increase in drones (the 'waves') just lead to lag city ? Or are you also optimizing the drone graphics and bandwidth usage etc ?
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:44:00 - [15] Originally by: TomB Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Does this means a drone carrier can sit back in a fight and launch drones from afar? Yup and relaunch as they die WOLLY! ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:44:00 - [16] Originally by: TomB Originally by: Sinjin Smythe Does this means a drone carrier can sit back in a fight and launch drones from afar? Yup and relaunch as they die WOLLY! ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
The Shrink	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:45:00 - [17] Edited by: The Shrink on 25/07/2004 22:46:26 Originally by: TomB [list] Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size" - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos. Does this mean that heavy drones may struggle to hit frigs and cruisers ? If so then needed i think. Perhaps race specific drones could be introduced, where the Minmatar ones are slightly faster than the others but inferior in every other way
The Shrink	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:45:00 - [18] Edited by: The Shrink on 25/07/2004 22:46:26 Originally by: TomB [list] Giving drones accuracy to make them better at engaging targets of "same size" - this is currently in testing/tuning on Chaos. Does this mean that heavy drones may struggle to hit frigs and cruisers ? If so then needed i think. Perhaps race specific drones could be introduced, where the Minmatar ones are slightly faster than the others but inferior in every other way
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Nicholas Marshal Won't the increase in drones (the 'waves') just lead to lag city ? Or are you also optimizing the drone graphics and bandwidth usage etc ? Client/Server performance is being checked, should not cause much trouble. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Nicholas Marshal Won't the increase in drones (the 'waves') just lead to lag city ? Or are you also optimizing the drone graphics and bandwidth usage etc ? Client/Server performance is being checked, should not cause much trouble. 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:51:00 - [21] Thanks for the very quick response ! Much appreciated !
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:51:00 - [22] Thanks for the very quick response ! Much appreciated !
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:00:00 - [23] Originally by: The Shrink Does this mean that heavy drones may struggle to hit frigs and cruisers ? Yes, but Bships will be able to carry loads of M and S drones, so a Bship focusing drones on a single frig/cruiser won't make the pilot very happy as it's none-stop-action ... it's fun thou' 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:00:00 - [24] Originally by: The Shrink Does this mean that heavy drones may struggle to hit frigs and cruisers ? Yes, but Bships will be able to carry loads of M and S drones, so a Bship focusing drones on a single frig/cruiser won't make the pilot very happy as it's none-stop-action ... it's fun thou' 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:01:00 - [25] There also seems to be a thing with drones, where 'all' of the drones on your screen, no matter who they belong to, all fire in synch. Instead of a bunch of drones flying around and shooting at their own leisure, they all fire together at once. Is this a bug that causes lag, or a feature emant to reduce lag? I don't know, but this sort of thing happens most often for me when I'm with a group of people deploying drones to attack a player conquerable station.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:01:00 - [26] There also seems to be a thing with drones, where 'all' of the drones on your screen, no matter who they belong to, all fire in synch. Instead of a bunch of drones flying around and shooting at their own leisure, they all fire together at once. Is this a bug that causes lag, or a feature emant to reduce lag? I don't know, but this sort of thing happens most often for me when I'm with a group of people deploying drones to attack a player conquerable station.
deathbyfire	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:04:00 - [27] Edited by: deathbyfire on 25/07/2004 23:08:17 /me gets on hands a knees and bows to TomB as low as he can. I wuve you :P ------------------------------- Evolve and adapt or die. The choice is yours to make and no one elses. "Your current safe bounries were once unsafe frontiers"-unknown "Stupid people, can't live with them, and can't kill them because there would only be 1000 people left to play eve."-Me :D
deathbyfire	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:04:00 - [28] Edited by: deathbyfire on 25/07/2004 23:08:17 /me gets on hands a knees and bows to TomB as low as he can. I wuve you :P ------------------------------- Evolve and adapt or die. The choice is yours to make and no one elses. "Your current safe bounries were once unsafe frontiers"-unknown "Stupid people, can't live with them, and can't kill them because there would only be 1000 people left to play eve."-Me :D
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Meridius What do you mean by this exactly. Heavy drones are physically smaller then frigs so they shouldnt have a hard time hitting them right? RP excuse for enhanced gameplay: drones are robots and very predictable - no navigation or evasive manuevering skills here .. carry on 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.
TomB	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Meridius What do you mean by this exactly. Heavy drones are physically smaller then frigs so they shouldnt have a hard time hitting them right? RP excuse for enhanced gameplay: drones are robots and very predictable - no navigation or evasive manuevering skills here .. carry on 2004.07.06 19:30:45combatTomB strikes you critically with his Nerf Bat, pwning you for -100% everything.

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