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Hammerin' Snatch Red Clover Cartel 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 20:55:00 - [1] - Quote Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 603	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec
Subdolus Venator State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:02:00 - [3] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: A bit harsh? No. EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.
Hammerin' Snatch Red Clover Cartel 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote KrakizBad wrote: You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! =D Would be interesting to find out how long that would take, I honestly imagine upwards of a year! xD
Immortis Vexx Lupus Draconis Dragehund 7	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:06:00 - [5] - Quote I feel bad for ya, I really do. However, it has been known for a long time now that buying money from anyone who is NOT CCP is a no no. The punishment is harsh but I feel that it is a fair one. I think the best solution is to biomass the toon and restart man. You only have a few months into the game so the skill point hit will be big but not catastrophic. Just say NO to RMT. Vexx
malcovas Henderson Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 20	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:06:00 - [6] - Quote Create an alt. to generate income for ammo and such. Or create a new account to work alongside your main. o7
Subdolus Venator State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: KrakizBad wrote: You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! =D Would be interesting to find out how long that would take, I honestly imagine upwards of a year! xD And your point is... what? If you can't grind the time, don't do the crime. EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.
GreasyCarl Semah A Game as Old as Empire 19	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:06:00 - [8] - Quote Sounds like you got some work to do. Maybe you can webcam for the Russians. lol
Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 334	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:07:00 - [9] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: KrakizBad wrote: You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! =D Would be interesting to find out how long that would take, I honestly imagine upwards of a year! xD Do it in a kestrel. Since you like spending real money on fake sites now is your chance to make up for your retardation and buy the plex from the eve site until your back into the positive. Don't understand how people think they can get away with this crap. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy African
Kepie School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:11:00 - [10] - Quote Do you always violate things you agree to?
Singeabooty Raj Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet 272	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:14:00 - [11] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: KrakizBad wrote: You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! =D Would be interesting to find out how long that would take, I honestly imagine upwards of a year! xD Unless he uses the trade window to sell what he mines to another character he would be able to sell it on the market even to buy orders as it involves tax which he is unable to pay. Ammo wise should have gone Amarr bro Black Man with Goggles
Kieron VonDeux 8	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:25:00 - [12] - Quote Buy some PLEX and sell them to bring you back into positive. Also, I read somewhere that they are thinking about putting .01 isk charges on jet cans, trade windows, and etc to close those loop holes.
Singeabooty Raj Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet 272	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:30:00 - [13] - Quote Selling PLEX in trade window deals in market hubs not for the faint of heart with all the cut throats about. Black Man with Goggles
Daisai Daisai Investments. Solid Foundation 43	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:33:00 - [14] - Quote Quit the game and let CCP deal with that they lost another player.
Hammerin' Snatch Red Clover Cartel 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:36:00 - [15] - Quote Daisai wrote: Quit the game and let CCP deal with that they lost another player. Heh... No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever...
Ifly Uwalk Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance 199	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:38:00 - [16] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: So I guess I'm just looking for a GM Then why are you posting on the forums?
Daisai Daisai Investments. Solid Foundation 43	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:45:00 - [17] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Daisai wrote: Quit the game and let CCP deal with that they lost another player. Heh... No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever... Then it all depends on how much into negative isk you are. You can buy a bunch of plexes and sell (what ccp wants you to do) or roll a new character transfer your stuff to that and sell it. However training this would take some gametime so have to see what is worth more to you.
Brewlar Kuvakei Adeptio Gloriae 48	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:50:00 - [18] - Quote Neg wallet is not a big deal just use an alt to buy stuff for you and trade it via contract or station trade. The only thing a neg wallet prevents is mission running ; you will lose out on mission reward payments, claiming player bounties on pods and market/contract trading for obvious reasons. Everything else in the game is uneffected including ratting, just set your corp tax to 100%. Come to think of it you could use corp wallet to market trade too. I don't speak from experince of being made neg wallet FYI.
jimmyjam Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple 34	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:57:00 - [19] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks You wont get sympathy here int his forum.You have just learned a simple lesson the hard way :)
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 604	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:59:00 - [20] - Quote Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Neg wallet is hardly a detterent at all come to think of it I don't speak from experince of being made neg wallet FYI. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec
Drake Draconis Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans 477	Posted - 2012.04.16 22:01:00 - [21] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks I dont know whether to laugh at the fact you think this is unfair or that you where expecting to get banned. But in either case. "You're a Moron" - Dr. House ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 274	Posted - 2012.04.16 22:34:00 - [22] - Quote This is one of those situations where the glass is either half empty, or half full, except it's not a glass, it's your wallet, it's five times as empty, and you can fill it back up through slavery. Have fun.
Five Thirty School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.04.16 22:37:00 - [23] - Quote Are you sure they didn't set it negative because of your epically stupid name?
Taresh Quickfingers Radiant Technologies Sanctuary Pact 1	Posted - 2012.04.16 22:42:00 - [24] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: Are you sure they didn't set it negative because of your epically stupid name? Back at you?
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 504	Posted - 2012.04.16 22:53:00 - [25] - Quote i think its fair. if you have 500mil, and you buy 1bil you pay an annoy CCP tax plus take your isk you bought.
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 83	Posted - 2012.04.16 23:07:00 - [26] - Quote You cheated, plain and simple... CCP sets the rules, CCP sets the punishment... Dunno how you thought you wouldn't get caught eventually... Suck it up and pay the price... BS rats take a long time to finish off with Civilian guns :) I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow... Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail
StonerPhReaK Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent 49	Posted - 2012.04.17 00:11:00 - [27] - Quote Move on. Sell plex with alt and buy the stuff you need for main then trade/contract it to him. Keep the neg wallet, there are ways around it. Or Do what some of these very helpful people said and use the plex you buy legit to bring you back to a positive wallet. The reason for a neg and not a ban is so you can log in every day and see the stupid decision/s you made. Which i think is p.coo
Kyra Tanaka State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 02:45:00 - [28] - Quote Your char is only 16 days old. Just create a new char and start over. Also be glad they didn't ban you but gave you a negative wallet. In any other MMO you would have been perma banned. Which I think every isk buyer deserves.
Katja Faith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2012.04.17 02:50:00 - [29] - Quote Biomass, close account, open new account with different payment device. Problem solved
lanyaie 126	Posted - 2012.04.17 03:48:00 - [30] - Quote Hmm lets see, you knowingly bought ISK got caught and now you think the nice GM's will just punish you by saying you can't walk in the park anymore? Instead of them just burning it down.(Bad comparison I know) I think you owe me and everyone else that read this thread an apology Edit: hold on 16days old and already buying ISK?damn guy I wonder how much you would have bought after playing for a year. I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you
Devore Sekk Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2012.04.17 03:58:00 - [31] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks This is very easy. CCP merely wants one thing: for you to right your wrongs. You bought ISK/PLEX illegally, and benefited from it. So now just buy the PLEX legally, and repay your debt. This does not seem like a very harsh form of punishment. Simply correct your ways, and you are free to go. You get a do-over, how easy can it possibly be!
Soldarius United Highsec Front The 99 Percent 205	Posted - 2012.04.17 04:40:00 - [32] - Quote Welcome to your ban. I hope you enjoy it. "How do you kill that which has no life?"
Kreeia Dgore EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis 6	Posted - 2012.04.17 06:15:00 - [33] - Quote You know you did spend your money on flawed product (RMT stuff), right? CCP does that, they sell isk (in form of plex). For a certain price. It is their way of both securing the company's development and having a certain level of control over the market, which can be usefull when sh*tstorm is approaching. Even though i see all this CCP behavior as cruel (they COULD ban the whole account, but choose to tease the person by making him buy plexes instead and showing him what wonderfull and trained character would he loose if he chooses to simply abandone it), i have firm issues with emphatising. You know what? Buy plexes. CCP wants you to do that, you want the character up and running. It will cost you, but hey, buying not authorised stuff is always risky.
Imortality Red Clover Cartel 1	Posted - 2012.04.17 06:23:00 - [34] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own.
Axel Greye High Velocity Heroes 49	Posted - 2012.04.17 06:42:00 - [35] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: This is one of those situations where the glass is either half empty, or half full, except it's not a glass, it's your wallet, it's five times as empty, and you can fill it back up through slavery. Have fun. this made my day
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2085	Posted - 2012.04.17 08:33:00 - [36] - Quote Thrill yourself. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Hammerin' Snatch The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 08:35:00 - [37] - Quote lanyaie wrote: Hmm lets see, you knowingly bought ISK got caught and now you think the nice GM's will just punish you by saying you can't walk in the park anymore? Instead of them just burning it down.(Bad comparison I know) I think you owe me and everyone else that read this thread an apology Edit: hold on 16days old and already buying ISK?damn guy I wonder how much you would have bought after playing for a year. I'm not 16d old?
Hammerin' Snatch The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 09:11:00 - [38] - Quote Alright, going to Biomass Hammer. It was my own damn fault for being a cheap idiot and buying isk externally. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2085	Posted - 2012.04.17 09:27:00 - [39] - Quote A coward's option. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Soldarius United Highsec Front The 99 Percent 205	Posted - 2012.04.17 09:31:00 - [40] - Quote I think this video is appropriate. Gayer than ****, and dead as Hell. "How do you kill that which has no life?"
Hammerin' Snatch The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 09:32:00 - [41] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: A coward's option. Meh not really, giving in to CCP and buying overpriced PLEX is. Anyway just moved all my things, starting Biomass countdown. Cya
Joran Dravius Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2012.04.17 09:46:00 - [42] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks Edit: Going to Biomass Hammer. My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7 You got off light. If I was running Eve you'd be permabanned.
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2085	Posted - 2012.04.17 10:02:00 - [43] - Quote It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up. Good riddance to fail rubbish. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
lanyaie 127	Posted - 2012.04.17 10:07:00 - [44] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up. Good riddance to fail rubbish. I am empty quoting...wait not anymore I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you
Tora Bushido Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 27	Posted - 2012.04.17 10:21:00 - [45] - Quote HOW DARE THEY !? A simple PERM ban would have done nicely...... My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 627	Posted - 2012.04.17 10:23:00 - [46] - Quote Imortality wrote: Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own. Gonna say this was a mistake. Keeping him around would serve you 2 purposes: he woulda been bringing in alot of taxes, and you can hold him up as an example. I've been in corps with people who got nailed for RMT before, and no one will preach harder about making isk legit than someone who has had to do it from a neg wallet. Also, in the end, its between the guy who violated the rules, and CCP. He cheated and was punished appropriately, that should be the end. I would be more worried now about him being around, since he biomassed to escape his punishment he is more likely to do it again. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Namiiine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 10:28:00 - [47] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: Imortality wrote: Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own. Gonna say this was a mistake. Keeping him around would serve you 2 purposes: he woulda been bringing in alot of taxes, and you can hold him up as an example. I've been in corps with people who got nailed for RMT before, and no one will preach harder about making isk legit than someone who has had to do it from a neg wallet. Also, in the end, its between the guy who violated the rules, and CCP. He cheated and was punished appropriately, that should be the end. I would be more worried now about him being around, since he biomassed to escape his punishment he is more likely to do it again. This +1 Dudes probably gonna end up doing it all over again. But its his choice, waste of time really, buying isk then losing a character a few months down the line. Regardless its CCP's problem, not yours. Kicking him out of a corp serves nothing.
Rike Ewann Ion Corp. Citex Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 10:48:00 - [48] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Stuff Create alt. Create corp. Set tax to 100% Pay off your dept while buying selling with your alt. The negative wallet is to offset the amount of money you bought illegally and never should have had to begin with.
Ashrun Dir Love for You Forsaken.Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 11:31:00 - [49] - Quote KrakizBad wrote: You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! He even gets 1 Trit! That's a lot these days!
MIkhail Illiad Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 16	Posted - 2012.04.17 12:25:00 - [50] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up. Good riddance to fail rubbish. Basically this ^ No sympathy from me, glad to see the back of another RMT'er. Well done CCP keep up the good work! :) There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 556	Posted - 2012.04.17 13:44:00 - [51] - Quote I don't believe a neg wallet is as bad as it used to be... So just be thankful. There was once a time that you couldn't even be GIVEN ammo to go ratting to work off the negative balance. It was due to the fact that you had less than the 0 isk required for the trade. I'm pretty sure that changed awhile back though.
Imortality Red Clover Cartel 2	Posted - 2012.04.17 14:14:00 - [52] - Quote Namiiine wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: Imortality wrote: Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own. Gonna say this was a mistake. Keeping him around would serve you 2 purposes: he woulda been bringing in alot of taxes, and you can hold him up as an example. I've been in corps with people who got nailed for RMT before, and no one will preach harder about making isk legit than someone who has had to do it from a neg wallet. Also, in the end, its between the guy who violated the rules, and CCP. He cheated and was punished appropriately, that should be the end. I would be more worried now about him being around, since he biomassed to escape his punishment he is more likely to do it again. This +1 Dudes probably gonna end up doing it all over again. But its his choice, waste of time really, buying isk then losing a character a few months down the line. Regardless its CCP's problem, not yours. Kicking him out of a corp serves nothing. I'm removing him to make an example out of him, we don't want things like this labeled alongside our name. It's nothing personal, he's a good guy, just made a mistake.
Mugged Yougot NorCorp Security AAA Citizens 2	Posted - 2012.04.17 17:21:00 - [53] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Daisai wrote: Quit the game and let CCP deal with that they lost another player. Heh... No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever... I'd assume CCP have set your wallet to match the amount of plex you bought externallty? In that case you would have to be pretty stupid to start a new character instead of just paying what you owe on your main and continue playing on him. Not that I believed you to be a smart individual or anything.. The fee for your monthly subs to get a new toon to the same lvl as your old is probably going to to cost you just as much, if not more, and you can actually start farming ISK right away. Stop thinking like a Jewish member of the Extra-Chromosome-Club and stay away from the boose for a couple of weekends, and you will be back in action. Coming to think of it, this is a double-win, as alcohol kills brain-cells, and you should be hugging the ones you got left. No sympathy for thieves! /irony
Imortality Red Clover Cartel 2	Posted - 2012.04.17 19:36:00 - [54] - Quote I don't think he would want to rebuild a -7.5bill wallet lol
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 272	Posted - 2012.04.18 01:59:00 - [55] - Quote Not harsh enough, actually. Good riddance. The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 272	Posted - 2012.04.18 02:16:00 - [56] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Lady Spank wrote: A coward's option. Meh not really, giving in to CCP and buying overpriced PLEX is. Anyway just moved all my things, starting Biomass countdown. Cya Wait, lolwut?? So cheating and infringing on CCP's intellectual property-rights--which you agreed to respect when you clicked "Accept" on the EULA whilst downloading the client--is alright, but using the legit way that CCP provides to do the same ****** thing* you cheated to do is the coward's choice? OK, I see the logic here. Leave our game, and stay gone, you filth. The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 180	Posted - 2012.04.18 03:02:00 - [57] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Lady Spank wrote: A coward's option. Meh not really, giving in to CCP and buying overpriced PLEX is. Anyway just moved all my things, starting Biomass countdown. Cya Wait, lolwut?? So cheating and infringing on CCP's intellectual property-rights--which you agreed to respect when you clicked "Accept" on the EULA whilst downloading the client--is alright, but using the legit way that CCP provides to do the same ****** thing* you cheated to do is the coward's choice? OK, I see the logic here. Leave our game, and stay gone, you filth. Not empty quoting. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window.
dave3NG mgfc 11	Posted - 2012.04.18 06:53:00 - [58] - Quote ..so gets to move 7.5bil worth of stuff, or what's left of it, to the new char. Since it's only from December 11, not that hard to buy a new one. Pretty easy punishment.
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 554	Posted - 2012.04.18 07:43:00 - [59] - Quote Its exactly what should happen. Thats why it happens. You arnt sorry you did it, you are sorry you got caught, sorry isnt enough, you must pay for your crimes against humanity. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 91	Posted - 2012.04.18 11:30:00 - [60] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. TLDR; I cheated and got caught and now i'm crying on the forums because I think I should be allowed to make excuses for my cheating and get a second chance. Frankly, I'm glad you got caught. It's people like you who create a market for RMT and indirectly cause the botting which screws up the game for the rest of us. You got what you asked for and you'll find no sympathy here.
Brewlar Kuvakei Adeptio Gloriae 49	Posted - 2012.04.18 11:30:00 - [61] - Quote I feel it prudent to mention that you have many wallets in EVE just use another wallet. Each account has 3 chars with up to 2 wallets. If one wallet is made negative just use the other 5 that you have. ie get another char to do your business involving isk while using contracts to move goods. You can also save your bounty on rats by setting your corp tax to 100%, you can also just use corp wallet to do any eve market trading. Simple's my meerkat friends.
Namiiine NubSquad 0	Posted - 2012.04.18 12:04:00 - [62] - Quote Why is this thread still running? He biomass'd his toon, he's gone. He cheated, got caught and paid the price. Good riddance. But this thread is still going? Let it die. Another RMTer gone.
Diva Ex Machina Son's of The Hammer The Methodical Alliance 4	Posted - 2012.04.18 12:18:00 - [63] - Quote Namiiine wrote: Why is this thread still running? He biomass'd his toon, he's gone. ... If he had his corp would be 'Doomheim'. But I agree, I can't stand it when people cheat to get ahead.
Rimal Babalu Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.04.18 21:23:00 - [64] - Quote Actually not harsh at all. It's true that we scam/troll/gank and generally grief the living daylight from each other but it is all within the game, once you use money to get shinny stuff so you can gain an edge it becomes miraculous, a bit like paying for a cheat code. In my opinion, even if it is within game rules to be able to buy ISK through PLEX it also amounts to cheating. The nice side to that is that PvPers get to shoot very shinny stuff flown by total noobs, and I agree that it gives me great pleasure when one of those crosses my path... There should be a clear information that says to newer players "With proper game experience and relations you will be more badass in a Hurricane than if you jump directly into a Faction fitted Nightmare, so don't waste your money trying to get an edge, just waste your time playing and you'll have it!" ... Then again, CCP makes money and we have adrenaline rushes when peeps buy ISK. The added crime of buying illegal ISK is encouraging bots, but I am really hoping that CCP will finally eliminate them once and for all! Btw, if you have negative wallet and want a trusted partner to serve as intermediate to sell your stuff to replenish it, contact me.
Nathan Jameson Talocan Dominion Talocan United 340	Posted - 2012.04.19 04:12:00 - [65] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever... Did you know you can reroll a character with the same name as a biomassed character, as long as no one else has taken the name it yet? I've done it twice.
Faith Patrouette Careless Carebears Inc. 1	Posted - 2012.04.19 13:25:00 - [66] - Quote I hope when you biomass this character to bypass the negative wallet, ccp gives the new character on that account the same negative balance.....
Harrigan VonStudly The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion. 20	Posted - 2012.04.19 15:04:00 - [67] - Quote Looks like your snatch got hammered.
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 241	Posted - 2012.04.19 15:11:00 - [68] - Quote OP is right it is not an appropriate punishment to set his wallet negative. Now an appropriate punishment would be a perma ban.Same for botusers and all.
Velicitia Open Designs 856	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:33:00 - [69] - Quote Diva Ex Machina wrote: Namiiine wrote: Why is this thread still running? He biomass'd his toon, he's gone. ... If he had his corp would be 'Doomheim'. But I agree, I can't stand it when people cheat to get ahead. Hammerin' Snatch Doomheim
Drew Solaert University of Caille Gallente Federation 128	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:38:00 - [70] - Quote Make an alt, and grind up enough enough for some ammo, send it to the main and start grinding your way out of the hole. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 220	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:44:00 - [71] - Quote flakeys wrote: OP is right it is not an appropriate punishment to set his wallet negative. Now an appropriate punishment would be a perma ban.Same for botusers and all. No way. This is way funnier and probably hurts more.
Slightly Mental The Exploration and Survey Collective 6	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:48:00 - [72] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. TLDR; I cheated and got caught and now i'm crying on the forums because I think I should be allowed to make excuses for my cheating and get a second chance. Frankly, I'm glad you got caught. It's people like you who create a market for RMT and indirectly cause the botting which screws up the game for the rest of us. You got what you asked for and you'll find no sympathy here. +1
Msgerbs Aliastra Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.04.20 05:46:00 - [73] - Quote Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Neg wallet is hardly a detterent at all come to think of it so I hearby propose any corp wallet get put into negative isk for any players who get caught botting RMT'ng New griefing tactic: Roll alt. Put alt in corp. Do RMT. Get wallet set negative. GG?
Thelvan The Social Club for Us 0	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:34:00 - [74] - Quote I don't think getting around a negative wallet should be so "easy". If you want to make the character really usable again, you should have to pay it off. So I would say that if you have a negative wallet balance, that any isk you make automatically goes towards the neg balance before it goes to corp tax, unless it is an NPC corp of course, then you pay the NPC corp tax before it goes to fix neg wallet. If you are a CEO or director (or any role that allows you access to take money from a corp wallet), then anything that would have gone into any wallet you have access to goes to fix neg balance. If a player corp is unfortunate/dumb enough to have an RMTer for a director....well, you should know your members better. There should be no way to use a character with a neg wallet unless you are paying off that neg wallet.
Aesheera Malum Crusis 2	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:51:00 - [75] - Quote Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account. No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay. A total, irrevocable, closure. My 0.02 ISK If it bleeds, kill it. Malum wants you!
Aesheera Malum Crusis 2	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:54:00 - [76] - Quote Msgerbs wrote: Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Neg wallet is hardly a detterent at all come to think of it so I hearby propose any corp wallet get put into negative isk for any players who get caught botting RMT'ng New griefing tactic: Roll alt. Put alt in corp. Do RMT. Get wallet set negative. GG? Who exactly gets griefed then? You do RMT, in order to do significant damage your paying buttloads of cash in order to make the neg hit and hurt. Sounds like only the RMT'r will be in serious pain, especially when a petition will restore the non-RMT'ers in full. /facepalm If it bleeds, kill it. Malum wants you!
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 92	Posted - 2012.04.20 14:14:00 - [77] - Quote Aesheera wrote: Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account. No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay. A total, irrevocable, closure. My 0.02 ISK Actually no, an ISK-buyer should be able to repay his depts with CCP by getting back into the black via (legal) PLEX. It-¦s them he has hurt, after all. Unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Aesheera Malum Crusis 3	Posted - 2012.04.20 15:08:00 - [78] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: Aesheera wrote: Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account. No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay. A total, irrevocable, closure. My 0.02 ISK Actually no, an ISK-buyer should be able to repay his depts with CCP by getting back into the black via (legal) PLEX. It-¦s them he has hurt, after all. Judging by your signature, I can imagine you'd prefer ban > closure. Imo, breaking the EULA and feeding the RMT is reason enough to implement a account wide perma ban. If it bleeds, kill it. Malum wants you!
Atalius Vinelgo The Long Kiss Goodnight Rise Against All 0	Posted - 2012.04.20 15:52:00 - [79] - Quote I'd do what someone suggested and create another character and have that guy fight along side the new account. You can at least use his skills and keep him training. One day you will have enough money to pay it all back, just get the new account up and ready to do incursions, you will make it back in no time.
Quiby San Nex quod Principatus SRS. 0	Posted - 2012.04.21 01:43:00 - [80] - Quote I bet half of the people in this thread RMT themself and just enjoy slapping someone who got caught around to make their own ego feel better. GÖÑ It seems to be pretty lucrative to the sellers anyway, else they'd probably already lost any economy interest in it at all. Just saying!
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 92	Posted - 2012.04.21 07:43:00 - [81] - Quote Aesheera wrote: Nerath Naaris wrote: Aesheera wrote: Buying ISK should result in total closure of said account. No -ISK, no bans of that one character, leaving 2 possible alts there still okay. A total, irrevocable, closure. My 0.02 ISK Actually no, an ISK-buyer should be able to repay his depts with CCP by getting back into the black via (legal) PLEX. It-¦s them he has hurt, after all. Judging by your signature, I can imagine you'd prefer ban > closure. Imo, breaking the EULA and feeding the RMT is reason enough to implement a account wide perma ban. That was a forum thing, moderation can be quite... tight here sometimes as we all know, so it-¦s more like a badge of honor (kind of Purple Heart for the valiant forum warrior I guess...) Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Ativan Loko 15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum 3	Posted - 2012.04.21 16:09:00 - [82] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up. Good riddance to fail rubbish. +1
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 629	Posted - 2012.04.23 05:53:00 - [83] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: That was a forum thing, moderation can be quite... tight here sometimes as we all know, so it-¦s more like a badge of honor (kind of Purple Heart for the valiant forum warrior I guess...) You can get a forum ban for talking smack, just because someone reported you. I had a sig(the same sig)for quite a while before losing mine. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
tessrgoonssheep baaaaaaahhhh Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.04.23 21:34:00 - [84] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks Edit: Going to Biomass Hammer. My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7 sorry, sweety pie, but yes, you are definitely a very, naughty boy!!!! never buy PLEX from a non-sanctioned CCP site. And the punishment suits the crime. If you bought say 10 billion worth of Plexes, your negative wallet will be the same. The only way to get it back to positive is to either (a) get a second account so it can make iskies and then send it to your 1st account aka Hammer's or (b) get an alt made on Hammer's account and start doing the same as (a) I wouldn't biomass Hammer if he's such an epic character and you put so much effort into him. how hard was it for you to train him and make him start blitzing level 4 missions? nothing's impossible in eve. good luck Hammer
tessrgoonssheep baaaaaaahhhh Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.04.23 21:36:00 - [85] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Daisai wrote: Quit the game and let CCP deal with that they lost another player. Heh... No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever... don't biomass yourself. get going on an alt and start blitzing missions!!!!
Anamaniac New Eden Shipyard CO. Lemniskate 0	Posted - 2012.07.06 06:07:00 - [86] - Quote I was wondering what happened to Hammerin' Snatch.I guess I should have kept him and not sold him off after creating him...R.I.P.
Jack Miton Bite Me inc Exhale. 367	Posted - 2012.07.06 06:57:00 - [87] - Quote as for sellers tax, make a noob alt and trade him **** to sell
Ghost Xray Hedion University Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:07:00 - [88] - Quote Sounds like you got off too easy. Permanent ban is what you deserve.
Bethany Ring Reverberation Inc 1	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:44:00 - [89] - Quote Ghost Xray wrote: Sounds like you got off too easy. Permanent ban is what you deserve. You should be banned for not agreeing with CCP policy.
Private Pineapple Rifterlings Ushra'Khan 208	Posted - 2012.07.06 11:31:00 - [90] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks Edit: Going to Biomass Hammer. My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7 From the context of your post, it seems like you bought a single PLEX but your wallet got negated by billions. I thought CCP only sets your wallet to the negative amount of whatever you RMT'd for? Such as if you RMT 500 billion your wallet is set to -500 billion? Did they increase the punishment in the last couple years while I've been gone? I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
Ra Jackson PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus 16	Posted - 2012.07.06 12:11:00 - [91] - Quote Private Pineapple wrote: From the context of your post, it seems like you bought a single PLEX but your wallet got negated by billions. No. From the context of his post he bought at least 5 months worth of PLEX.
Tauren Tom Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz 74	Posted - 2012.07.06 12:12:00 - [92] - Quote Go acquire legally gained plex and sell on market. Pray to space buddah no one undercuts you or gibs you as you undock from 4-4. Don't do it again. In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU."It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1607	Posted - 2012.07.06 12:18:00 - [93] - Quote Guys, this thread died already at the end of april ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 312	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:22:00 - [94] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Guys, this thread died already at the end of april ! Shhh let them enjoy their moment ...
Vim Toe 1	Posted - 2012.07.06 13:40:00 - [95] - Quote You say buying ISK from CCP is overpriced, Surely your negative bank balance tells you that its cheap in comparison?
Beachura Helghan Empiral Armada Apocalypse Now. 0	Posted - 2012.07.06 19:58:00 - [96] - Quote Kepie wrote: Do you always violate things you agree to? Your mother.
Lady Aja 61	Posted - 2012.07.06 21:24:00 - [97] - Quote Lol Doomheim... i guess he biomassed and started from fresh OR... bought a new toon or just plain emoragequit! where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 479	Posted - 2012.07.07 02:26:00 - [98] - Quote Daisai wrote: Quit the game and find another one to ruin with RMT, you worthless parasite. Fixed. No ******* sympathy, the door is that way ----> In irae, veritas.
Beachura Helghan Empiral Armada Apocalypse Now. 0	Posted - 2012.07.08 14:46:00 - [99] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Daisai wrote: Quit the game and find another one to ruin with RMT, you worthless parasite. Fixed. No ******* sympathy, the door is that way ----> Hey, individuals like you are the reason eve is less populated than it should be. It's not everyone else's fault you're heartless, cold and moronic because you live in a basement with your parents and don't understand the term 'relationship'. The guy paid some real life cash to help him in a game, he doesn't deserve that kind of comment kid.
Mallak Azaria 284	Posted - 2012.07.09 03:35:00 - [100] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks Edit: Going to Biomass Hammer. My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7 CCP tend to take away the ammount of isk you bought, then that ammount again to encourage players not to do this in the future. I agree with this form of punishment.
Ping Pang Pong Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.07.09 03:59:00 - [101] - Quote Singeabooty Raj wrote: Hammerin' Snatch wrote: KrakizBad wrote: You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts! =D Would be interesting to find out how long that would take, I honestly imagine upwards of a year! xD Unless he uses the trade window to sell what he mines to another character he would be unable to sell it on the market even to buy orders as it involves tax which he is unable to pay. Ammo wise should have gone Amarr You can't use trade either as you have to have 0 isk, and he is at a negative balance. I do believe CCP should give an option to people caught using RMT. They can either take the negative wallet or take x amount of time for a ban. The ban length would depend on how many infractions the account has, and possibly how big of an offense it was. As it stands setting a toons wallet to negative effectively kills the character. You can't buy clone upgrades, you can't direct trade, you can't sell, you can repair ships, etc. Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar.
Kyle Ward Caldari Provisions Caldari State 179	Posted - 2012.07.09 04:55:00 - [102] - Quote Ping Pang Pong wrote: As it stands setting a toons wallet to negative effectively kills the character. You can't buy clone upgrades, you can't direct trade, you can't sell, you can repair ships, etc. Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar. It's almost as if CCP doesn't want you to RMT... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 483	Posted - 2012.07.09 08:04:00 - [103] - Quote Ping Pang Pong wrote: [...] I do believe CCP should give an option to people caught using RMT. They can either take the negative wallet or take x amount of time for a ban. The ban length would depend on how many infractions the account has, and possibly how big of an offense it was. As it stands setting a toons wallet to negative effectively kills the character. You can't buy clone upgrades, you can't direct trade, you can't sell, you can repair ships, etc. Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar. Wait, what? In order: No, they shouldn't. And, why is this a bad thing? They should IP-permaban the account and alt accounts, is what they should do. Although I do rather like the idea of letting the parasite twist, choke, and bleed for a while--poetic justice makes me lol--it still leaves a potential "out" for the parasite in question, and we really don't want that. Just as an aside, why are you trying to defend that which should never be defended by any decent player? E: There are plenty of pay-to-win shitfest excuses for games out there--pay to win, is in principle, legitimised RMT--so if you want to do that, then why don't you go play one? I hear Diablo 3 does this quite extensively. In irae, veritas.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 483	Posted - 2012.07.09 08:18:00 - [104] - Quote Beachura wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Daisai wrote: Quit the game and find another one to ruin with RMT, you worthless parasite. Fixed. No ******* sympathy, the door is that way ----> Hey, individuals like you are the reason eve is less populated than it should be. It's not everyone else's fault you're heartless, cold and moronic because you live in a basement with your parents and don't understand the term 'relationship'. The guy paid some real life cash to help him in a game, he doesn't deserve that kind of comment kid. I seriously just lol'ed IRL at this. Notsureiftroll, but if so, then well-done: 9/10! And no, he didn't. What he did was RMT, which is against EULA, and actually (technically) IRL-illegal (intellectual-property/copyright violation) lots of places. So yes, he does deserve that kind of comment--and much worse besides, but I don't want to get forums-banned--again--so I had to heavily "self-moderate" what I really want to say to filth like that. There are lots of other games out there his ilk can go try and ruin, this ultimately changes little--or if he wants to legitimately "pay to win"--which is just officially legitimate RMT if you think about it--well, then there are plenty of games like that, too. Added bonus of not having to look over your shoulder whilst laundering the gains, either. Going from your pathetic attempt to insult me, I would say that it is you who are the immature one here, troll-child, not me. Next! In irae, veritas.
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc Exhale. 133	Posted - 2012.07.09 08:47:00 - [105] - Quote I don't see why they just don't outright ban the accounts. and couldn't he still technically buy plex with an alt, sell it, then dump the cash back into his character until he has a positive balance?
Lukriss Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2012.07.09 10:51:00 - [106] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: I don't see why they just don't outright ban the accounts. and couldn't he still technically buy plex with an alt, sell it, then dump the cash back into his character until he has a positive balance? That's pretty much the only way to correct it yes.
Sevastian Liao DreamWeaver Inc. 41	Posted - 2012.07.09 12:30:00 - [107] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: I don't see why they just don't outright ban the accounts. and couldn't he still technically buy plex with an alt, sell it, then dump the cash back into his character until he has a positive balance? Because this way the offender gets the choice between: 1) Coughing up all the PLEX that he retroactively owes CCP as his "penace", benefitting CCP and every other legit player by extension, ala community service 2) Losing the ability to play on his beloved main as his "penace", with the player paying for the crime but no other benefit to anyone else. 3) Ragequitting the game It's a system that encourages rehabilitation, so to speak, with option 1) being a good thing for CCP and the rest of the gaming community as a whole. Also the chance that the person in question toes the line the second time round, so keeping another player around for the game and the community. Yes, yes, who wants RMTers around - But look at it this way - Someone who feels the need to RMT instead of - not being terribad - at the game is actually a pretty valuable asset for everyone else, and worth having around for your income. Throwing down the banhammer on every single case removes the possibility of such benefits for everyone else. I'm talking only about the practical benefits of the current penace system because I don't really believe that any RMTers really feel sorry for what they did, only that they got caught doing it. Also, it's deliciously ironic, which is always an added bonus.
drunk asfck Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.07.09 15:35:00 - [108] - Quote start doing emp ganks make a alt to buy sh!t and pass to that neg wallet toon and just start emp ganking till u make enough isk to pay your debt
AndromacheDarkstar Phantom Brigade Inc. 3	Posted - 2012.07.09 15:56:00 - [109] - Quote You make an interesting point with regards to not being able to repair your ship or really get yourself back into the game however it was your fault so what can you do. It would however be more sensible for CCP to reset your wallet nad strip your assets
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 726	Posted - 2012.07.09 18:18:00 - [110] - Quote You sir, are an idiot of the lowest degree, grade and caliber. Go ** yourself you RMT'ing piece of *. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."*
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 487	Posted - 2012.07.10 12:31:00 - [111] - Quote Jack Carrigan wrote: You sir, are an idiot of the lowest degree, grade and caliber. Go ** yourself you RMT'ing piece of *. ^^That.^^ [/thread] In irae, veritas.*
Batelle French Defence Union 78	Posted - 2012.07.10 13:22:00 - [112] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? Yes Quote: Edit: Going to Biomass Hammer. My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7 Kind of a stupid option. You won't ever get those skillpoints back you know, and by the time you do have those skillpoints again, you'll have paid more money in subscriptions to your new account than it would have cost to buy plex legitimately to reverse your wallet. My reaction to the tier system and skill tree overhaul https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=899560#post899560
Otto Phallatio Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.07.10 13:22:00 - [113] - Quote One more time... 'Hammerin' Snatch' is possibly the best name I've ever seen.... honestly, it's had me chuckling for days..... but why are you people still here? Don't you realize the Chribba scam thread is FAR superior?
Smegma Cheesedog Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2012.07.10 13:35:00 - [114] - Quote reroll something with a less offensive name.
Jimmy Gunsmythe Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2012.07.11 00:06:00 - [115] - Quote Otto Phallatio wrote: One more time... 'Hammerin' Snatch' is possibly the best name I've ever seen.... Agreed. I think he could find work in a certain adult industry. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion.
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.07.11 01:33:00 - [116] - Quote Kepie wrote: Do you always violate things you agree to? The most commonly told lie on earth. "I have read the terms and conditions." So what if you RMT'd. I don't really see a reason not to do it.
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 0	Posted - 2012.07.11 17:37:00 - [117] - Quote hahah, i love it when the cheaters get **** on. thanks for this OP
Signal11th 609	Posted - 2012.07.12 12:26:00 - [118] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Create an alt. to generate income for ammo and such. Or create a new account to work alongside your main. o7 This is your quickest solution, to be honest I would just create a trading alt and to be honest if not making 2-4 bill a month your doing it wrong. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster.
Frillo Teslar 2plus2isfive BricK sQuAD. 9	Posted - 2012.07.13 12:10:00 - [119] - Quote Hammerin' Snatch wrote: Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough. If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught? I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites. Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount. Uh oh, busted... Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right? Well...sort of... My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions. This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time... I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling. Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax. Better go mission. Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo. Have they always punished players who buy isk like this? I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0. At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think? So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter. I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules. I just don't agree with this form of punishment. Thanks Edit: Going to Biomass Hammer. My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get. Sorry everyone. Fly safe o7 If you're broke pay with plex. Be smart
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 106	Posted - 2012.07.13 16:16:00 - [120] - Quote Otto Phallatio wrote: One more time... 'Hammerin' Snatch' is possibly the best name I've ever seen.... honestly, it's had me chuckling for days..... Yours is pretty entertaining, as well. It occurs to me that one could, if sufficiently determined, rat in a n00bship for bounties, and eventually (years) later go positive. No need to repair it, either - Just ditch it and dock-up in your pod, and you're re-equipped. Eventually, you should be sitting on a veritble mountain of ****-end loot to reprocess - when (in your old grey beard) you go positive again... Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Brewlar Kuvakei Adeptio Gloriae 102	Posted - 2012.07.15 00:49:00 - [121] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Create an alt. to generate income for ammo and such. Or create a new account to work alongside your main. o7 You don't even need to do this if you use a corp wallet, Negative balance on your pvp char means nothing all you lose out on are bounties but due to the bounty system being pointless anyway you'd have to be un lucky to miss on a big score. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours?
Devore Sekk The Kissaki Syndicate Eternal Evocations 29	Posted - 2012.07.15 01:06:00 - [122] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: You make an interesting point with regards to not being able to repair your ship or really get yourself back into the game however it was your fault so what can you do. It would however be more sensible for CCP to reset your wallet nad strip your assets No, CCP clearly intends for you to buy PLEX to reset your account to good standing, which is what you should have done to begin with.
Haethorn Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 08:07:00 - [123] - Quote U could go t1 Energy Turrets lol Is it cheaper to buy a new character? Exploit warning see below Honestly having a missioning/hisec trading/hauliing alt is a good investment anyway. Looking back on my time in the game, having your isk maker as your main in either NPC corp or in a PC 0% tax corp and then a pvp toon that you could put into Red Vs Blue or similar would be pretty sweet. Your PvP toon does not need a huge amount of skill points. That negative wallet will be a pain in the arse on that toon but train up Hisec character that can keep the Neg Wallet character supplied as you can buy the wallet off if you like. Exploit warning We are heading into grey area of exploits here I think, I would petition for clarification to be sure, but I agree its impossible for your character to even function appart from being a scout unless you already had the amarr tree trained. Off the top of my head, I don't think you are allowed to biomass a character with neg sec status, neg wallet might be looked at the same way. If I were a GM I'd say you are stuck with that character untill you pay it off somehow. Its debateable if it were intended that you buy plex to get a positive wallet. CCP still wants your business though, I expect they want a workable solution. Glad you learned your lesson & CCP gave you a 2nd chance, sorta
Vulsonn Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 15:37:00 - [124] - Quote You sound all too eager to be punished, if this is the case i'd be only to happy to have you fitted for a gimp suit and you can live in the padlocked box at the foot of my bed. Please get back to me about it.
Lost Greybeard Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 122	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:29:00 - [125] - Quote You clearly have a bunch of spare money if you're buying third-party plex, just spend some of it on legitimate PLEX and sell them with a same-account alt to get your wallet positive. Not complicated, the way out of trouble is the same way you got into it in the first place.
Soldarius TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent 264	Posted - 2012.07.18 09:32:00 - [126] - Quote Ping Pang Pong wrote: Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar. RMT penalized toons are now bound to the account and cannot be sold. You can still trade stuff via trade window and accept contracts, though not make them. "How do you kill that which has no life?"
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 149	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:55:00 - [127] - Quote Make alt on same account. Buy legit plex, redeem on alt, sell on market with alt...send money to main. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
feihcsiM Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.19 12:07:00 - [128] - Quote RMT'ers accounts should be flagged so all their characters autopost "I'm a dirty RMT cheater" in every one of their chat windows at every session change.
whaynethepain 45	Posted - 2012.07.19 12:24:00 - [129] - Quote Well, actually, people do fall into the buying botters ISK trap, the RMT thing, obviously. It is good of CCP to not just wipe the account, and then provide the opportunity to pay back into CCP. The trouble is, buying more ISK is a way out, or just scrapping the account, an in game ISK transfer etc... Eve Online could go a step further and advertise authentic CCP endorsed Eve-Online ISK and Aurum via the official CCP PLEX sales much more, to new players especially, and links direct to the CCP site, and how to get it securely and how it works properly, more. What it is; My mate Dave started Eve-Online, realised he needed ISK, didn't realise he could get it from CCP and wrote Eve-Online ISK into google, failed. For some reason he had no concept of how PLEX could be bought from CCP and sold straight in game for ISK, fun times. Getting you on your feet. So you've further to fall.
Gmunday Cammosh Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.10.16 18:36:00 - [130] - Quote Well i have just come back from a 15 day suspension for apparently using a bot. Firstly ill make this very clear to everyone who have reading problems & believe that CCP never make mistakes. I have never used any form of automated software, bugs or cheats on any game let alone eve. I strongly denied & asked for proof which i was not given anything except a 15 day ban. So, after day 15 i check my account again & I'm now over 2 billion Negative ISK. I have barely had over 100mill ISK on my account never mind 2 billion. Anyways i can't sell ore, I cant trade or accept donations from friends to clear my Negative balance. In affect my account is as good as BANNED because you can't do anything. Now, i won't go on about the suspension for apparently botting, but when i asked why i was suspended i was told for automated bot use & the first offence is 15 days & then 30 days & then a perm ban. No where could i find that they take ISK off you. If this is to remove profits made from apparently botting, then they should look at my transaction log & see the most ISK ive ever had has never topped 100mill if you add it all up on my incomings. So to set me in a huge Negative balance is in affect making my account Unusable. Just for people who don't know. When in negative point balance you can't do the following. Trade between players. Sell items on the market (even if its an immediate sale). Accept contracts for items. Accept ISK from players. So, to the dude who said, do u have basic ship n mining laser.. well what are you going to do if you cant sell the ore you make or trade it? Its stupid if you ask me.
Ristlin Wakefield Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance 115	Posted - 2012.10.16 19:12:00 - [131] - Quote Gmunday Cammosh wrote: Well i have just come back from a 15 day suspension for apparently using a bot. Firstly ill make this very clear to everyone who have reading problems & believe that CCP never make mistakes. I have never used any form of automated software, bugs or cheats on any game let alone eve. I strongly denied & asked for proof which i was not given anything except a 15 day ban. So, after day 15 i check my account again & I'm now over 2 billion Negative ISK. I have barely had over 100mill ISK on my account never mind 2 billion. Anyways i can't sell ore, I cant trade or accept donations from friends to clear my Negative balance. In affect my account is as good as BANNED because you can't do anything. Now, i won't go on about the suspension for apparently botting, but when i asked why i was suspended i was told for automated bot use & the first offence is 15 days & then 30 days & then a perm ban. No where could i find that they take ISK off you. If this is to remove profits made from apparently botting, then they should look at my transaction log & see the most ISK ive ever had has never topped 100mill if you add it all up on my incomings. So to set me in a huge Negative balance is in affect making my account Unusable. Just for people who don't know. When in negative point balance you can't do the following. Trade between players. Sell items on the market (even if its an immediate sale). Accept contracts for items. Accept ISK from players. So, to the dude who said, do u have basic ship n mining laser.. well what are you going to do if you cant sell the ore you make or trade it? Its stupid if you ask me. You can create an alt on the same account and join the same corp. Drop whatever you mine, loot, etc. into the corp hanger. Use the alt to sells it for you. That money could be used toward new ships or toward paying off your debt. What concerns me the most though isn't the negative wallet, but your claim that you were suspended for 15 days (training queue halted?) while innocent. But before we pull out the pitchforks and light the torches, I have to ask: are you sure you didn't bot? I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition 5	Posted - 2012.10.16 19:20:00 - [132] - Quote Buy some legit PLEX like they want you to. And HTFU.
jimmyjam Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple 65	Posted - 2012.10.16 20:01:00 - [133] - Quote good necro
Beachura Red Tsunami No Value 36	Posted - 2012.10.16 21:06:00 - [134] - Quote Necro
Im Nutz Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.10.17 05:03:00 - [135] - Quote +points+ for the necro.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2802	Posted - 2012.10.17 05:05:00 - [136] - Quote Zombie! Pushes poster above me at it and runs off "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
slave-001 Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.10.17 10:00:00 - [137] - Quote Hmm, bils, dont know how many, but you dont seem too shy of buying plex, buy a few from ccp and your fine.. oho wait, you cant sell them anyhow
Mike Adoulin Trans-Aerospace Industries 28	Posted - 2012.10.17 10:59:00 - [138] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U I think this pretty much covers it. Strangley enough, I easily picture CCP Guard doing this every time an account gets negabombed. I need help.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 76	Posted - 2012.10.20 19:53:00 - [139] - Quote Buy a couple of plex for alt then buy new character like tengu pilot or hulk pilot, biomass unwanted toon and say 5 hail Mary's then your sin should be forgiven.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 55	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:01:00 - [140] - Quote My advice? Join a corporation that will pay you directly for the things you can still do.

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