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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.15 02:21:00 -
[121]
Well if it told you it was full and you didn't try again then you already knew no ?
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Woodwraith
Total Mayhem.
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.01.15 02:29:00 -
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why is there a cap on the number of alliances that can enter??
get 3 or 4 guys to run the initial matches until you whittle it down to a manageable size, they dont take that long tbh.
If a small empire alliance wants to put theyre money where theyre turrets are, let em. |
Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.15 05:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Blazde
I totally am questioning phoney shell alliances like The Five and (as JS LiamElms pointed out) Prime Orbital Systems. Those are the worst. The point is entering the alliance tourney should not be a simple case of paying 1 bil + 500m deposit. Just as entering the Olympics isn't as simple as me declaring my back yard a sovereign state.
It should be for real alliances that are relevant politically & militarily all year round. And no I'm not discriminating against small alliances, or empire alliances, let's have lots of them it makes for good fun and it's a very important channel for them to gain recognition. But there needs to be some minimum criteria. Exactly what I don't know but here's food-for-thought:
Alliance logo submission process
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Only logos from alliances that have been in effect for six months or more and have over 150 active members will be accepted.
CONCORD Makes Revolutionary Statement of Recognition For Alliances as Starbase Components Hit SCC Markets
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In a surprise announcement at 12:00 EVT today Irhes Angireh, Head of CONCORD's Inner Circle, declared CONCORD to be in full official support of the outer rim alliances. Further, she stated that official provision had been made for alliances to, for the first time in history, become recorded entities on the level of nation-states.
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I couldn't agree with this more Blazde!
Out of interest, if it's good enough for CCP to say you can't have an alliance logo submitted unless you have 150 members and were formed over 6 months ago, then why should they be able to participate in an alliance tournament? Aren't their logos accepted because CCP don't view them as serious alliances unless they've been around long enough and have lots of members, therefore they won't waste their graphics department's time editing images for an alliance to disband days later?
Now i know logos aren't a big deal, and i'm not saying they are, but they give an alliance an identity. And the reason people say watching BoB vs Goons in the tournament would be more exciting than Alliance X versus Alliance Y is because of their history and context. Just like England vs Germany when it comes to football! It wouldn't be the same if it was Lithuania vs Mali, even if the game played out just the same.
So i guess you could say, if an alliance hasn't been around for 6 months and doesn't have 40 members or more, they shouldn't be eligible perhaps. Just a thought anyhow, and i say 40 members so it doesn't exclude those smaller alliances that are good PvPers and deserve the right to compete.
When you think about it, this should solve the issue of people forming an alliance a few weeks before sign-ups and then banding together their mates from other corps/alliances just to make a crack team for the tournament - it's an alliance tournament, not a corp tournament. Alliances are formed of plural entities, not one corporation or one person, and 40 members is around a healthy corp-size, so it stands to reason that above that number assumes there is more than one corp involved and is supposedly a genuine alliance.
Anyway, good luck to everyone this year and make the most of it! I have fond memories of the 5th and hope you enjoy competing in this one just as much.  |
Susan Kennedy
Gallente
Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Susan Kennedy on 15/01/2009 08:35:00
As the executor figure of a 42 man alliance who managed to get into the alliance I should like to pipe up.
Any one with 2 braincells would have guessed that the slots would have been filled rapidly, especially considering all the corps that suddenly had a new alliance ticker below their names on the forums in the few weeks before the sign up process.
I knew three weeks in advance the procedure for signing up. On the day, i set my alarm, got up, signed up, and went back to bed.
 I dont make a habit of setting an alarm clock for eve, but in this case I had the rest of my alliance depending on me, so I put up with the inconvieninece and we were rewarded for it.
I do feel slightly sorry for some of the bigger alliances who failed to get into the draw, and some of the missing faces will take certainly take a small amount of the shine off the alliance. I also feel sorry for those that seem to be taking not being in this tournie so seriously, especialy considering my alliance are treating it in the spirit it was intended - as a bit of fun and no real hope of winning.
But - from experience I would also note some of the bigger alliances are the worst pvpers I have ever come across, dependent on blobs, caps, and ill gotten isk to survive. A small gang pvp contest loses nothing by these not attending.
I also find it incredibly amusing that "chubby chubbers chubba chups" are in the tournie and the big scary evil 0.0 alliances are not. Because their executor was down the launderette at 11:00 am washing his smalls.
At the end of the day, if getting in the tournie was not considered important enough for the executors of the big alliances to devote some time and inconvenience to the signing up process, they really shouldnt be that aggrieved they didnt get in.
I think it is churlish and spoiled to start complaining about CCP on this issue. They gave the gamebase what they wanted and gave clear instructions on how to apply.
Bad luck on not getting in - to those that did I will see you on the battlefield :)
EDIT: My turn to be spoiled - Boost the prizes CCP they are rubbish!!
EDIT: 41 man alliance - we just booted someone! Thats 2.5 % of our manpower down!!!
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Evil Edna
The Priory
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Posted - 2009.01.15 21:39:00 -
[125]
epic name, awful post |
Jonus Rath
The Collective
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Posted - 2009.01.16 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jonus Rath on 16/01/2009 06:36:45
I have the feeling that CCP is already working on the solution. If I'm not mistaken CCP Wrangler mentioned at the fanfest that an ingame tool/feature is being implemented to organize such events, automatically.
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My guess is a fully automated ingame ladder point system, used to qualify the teams to the annual big show.
Whenever an alliance assembles a team ready to compete, an officer with the appropriate role would hit the Tournament button and join its lobby, until another team from the universe do the same. Whenever both teams gave the green light, the system would "transport" both teams to the arena where the fight occurs. Once the fight is finished or the time is up, they would teleport back to home.
The winning team gains ladder points, which amount is depending of the opposite team's ladder ranking (if the top dog wins the fight against the underdog, they will receive less ladder points, but if the underdog is the winner, they should receive more).
Annually the top XX alliances that fought their way up on the ladder, will win an entry to the big show.
Inspired by Guild Wars GVG system.
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cruxix
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:51:00 -
[127]
As a paying subscriber I value seeing the both larger and smaller alliances compete in the tournament. Half of the fun is the crazy tactics that outsider teams use and the other half is seeing the personalities from the larger alliances that make the game more than killing rats. |
Exie
Phantasmal Collective
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 23:25:00 -
[128]
I personally would like to see an expansion that creates a football type set up... have it not based on Faction Warfare, but alliances. Then the tournament can be a world cup of sorts... based on actual skill and ability.
Will make for a great Tournament final!
Can even have it geographical, so rivalries can be played upon.
In my mind that kind of system should not be too hard to create.
Have a stargate at the Alliance Head Office that the alliance team can use, jumps them in to the staging area, computer can scan and reject those that do not follow the rules. Then when both teams are ready it warps them into the arena... begin! The team that wins at the end of the round win, have it auto warp them out. Tally points, have ranks & stats. Sounds like a lot of fun to me.
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csebal
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.01.17 14:17:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Exie
I personally would like to see an expansion that creates a football type set up... have it not based on Faction Warfare, but alliances. Then the tournament can be a world cup of sorts... based on actual skill and ability.
Will make for a great Tournament final!
Can even have it geographical, so rivalries can be played upon.
In my mind that kind of system should not be too hard to create.
Have a stargate at the Alliance Head Office that the alliance team can use, jumps them in to the staging area, computer can scan and reject those that do not follow the rules. Then when both teams are ready it warps them into the arena... begin! The team that wins at the end of the round win, have it auto warp them out. Tally points, have ranks & stats. Sounds like a lot of fun to me.
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+1. Just what i'm thinking. Would easily solve the not enough slots issue, would add a completely new type of activity for the players and i think it would be the first sporting league made in an MMO.
My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe.
Phear the arrows of the HUNs >>----> |
Quartex
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:24:00 -
[130]
OK.... so it seems like first come first served approach in business/school/College hours was a really bad idea. However, even if you made it at 1930 GMT someone would be disadvantaged and it would still be down to who presses the button first.
However, the variety of fights we'll see from the micro Alliances will make things interesting  . Please let them turn up for the matches, or I fear skysc****r sized forum flames.
 Best solution I reckon would be to have 2 tournies a year. First is for qualification and based on a knock out system. Second is the traditional one. If numbers were too high in qualification why not throw 6 Alliances in together (randomly to avoid collusion) and select the 2 Alliances with highest value assets left on the field after x mins. Keep doing this until you have you 64 Championship teams (Alliance Death Match  ).
This works well commercially with a second pay per view opportunity, in game terms you add a further ISK sink and interest can be added when pilot numbers are normally low.
Next year may have Tech3 to complicate fights further, especially for the commentators! Start planning now CCP ;-)
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Juki Nojo
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Posted - 2009.01.19 01:57:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Hell, you could even do something very fun like have each alliance executor (or team leader) get into a HAC and then drop them all @ 0km and the last 48 standing get in. lols.[/quote
Would love too see that =) |
TRYPTIC
House of Stark
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:35:00 -
[132]
IMO, only way to do it is to hold open registration for, say, 48 hours. Tournament slots are then handed out by lottery draw. Entry fee payed by those not winning a slot is refunded.
Regards,
Tryp |
Hunter Nay
Hunter Group
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Posted - 2009.01.21 22:54:00 -
[133]
The main issue I see people talkin about is that only 1 person can apply, why not just make it so 1 week before rego the executer has to pre-apply, nonimate people that can apply, then at rego any of the nonimated people can apply. |
Antonius Hari
BoB Enterprises
Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.01.22 09:00:00 -
[134]
I read somewhere, about 1 page ago, that an alliance shouldnt be allowed in if it hadnt created its logo.
For those of you that may not have known, in particular, our alliance, we had settled on a logo after a few months of being formed, the day we went to sub, the logo submition process broke after a patch, 9 months later before it was repaired.
Therefore the arguement on logos is moot point, we have had a logo pretty much from the beginning, but CCP broke the logo submission process and till recently never worked.
We fly under our banner proudly, just because it is ingame doesnt change the fact.
Sorry for those alliances that didnt get in, we are also dissapointed as a small alliance not to be fighting some of those big names of EVE, we had pysched ourselves for some of the big name battles, only to see them not get in.
TO boot, our 1st fight is agaisnt a top 16 team which has us very excited.
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