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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Ok. To make it short. I really dont know, who would even came with idea, to open registration to 6th tournament @ 12.00 GMT. There is alot of people, who play eve, dont have access to PC's while at work. When CCP opened registration process, I was busy in the university, and i was unable to register straight @ 12.00 GMT. I received few calls on my phone from fellow corp members, regarding "give acc and pw, we will register". Keeping in mind, that CCP is bashing players for account sharing i responded, that i will do it myself.
According to my transaction log history, i transferred 500m isk to CCP Mindstar @ 14.23 EVE time of 19th dec. Now - i`m unable to see my team amongst registred teams. Gentlemens, organizing those events - is pain, and i know it. Still i`m unable to get, why you turned registration into "press button earlier than your opponent".
I`m here to propose slight system change. Top 16 teams from previous tournament = getting into group stage. Everybody rest is fighting each other, using single elimination system, till we will have 64 teams, who will compete for main prize. Thank you.
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Vader Crane
Minmatar Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:16:00 -
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Everything the man said.
I didnt stand a chance getting our alliance signed up neither.
Fully supported. |
Lex Alandar
Cskillzone DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:20:00 -
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Agreed. The signup process was a complete debacle.
Everyone with their fingers hovering over the button at 1200 GMT made it. Everyone else was **** out of luck. Really I don't know why they 're-opened' applications when all the slots were clearly filled after 5 minutes. Requesting an actual inclusive signup process for the next one, so it's not just this 'I have no life so I can sit here waiting to click a button at exactly 1200GMT' bull *****. |
Zhang Ramses
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug I`m here to propose slight system change. Top 16 teams from previous tournament = getting into group stage. Everybody rest is fighting each other, using single elimination system, till we will have 64 teams, who will compete for main prize. Thank you.
So...how high did AAA place in last year's tournament?
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Necronus
Amarr Monks of War United Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Necronus on 12/01/2009 19:03:02 Edited by: Necronus on 12/01/2009 19:00:26 I agree with the problem , do not agree with the solution. I think you just should not link registration on first come first serve basis on 1 person.(Alliance executor) I think it will be better if anybody could register but for instance untill the start of the tournament the registered team should get confirmed legitimate by ally executor.
Also it is important to note that when demand exceeds in twice provided slots. First-come-first serve basis is not a very good option. There are people that are waiting for alliance tournaments for half-year/one year to participate and how do you think they will feel when they cannot get in due to some misfortunate timing of OTHER person? Alliance is an entity not an executor only.
And one more question to CCP. What sense does 500 mil isk fee has? It gets refunded. It is not even serious money for any alliance. |
Rippey
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:18:00 -
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Can only agree 100%
Badly flawed system, surely there must be another way.
If not, maybe -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, TCF and us can have our own "unofficial grumpy-farts-that-didnt-get-in" tournament. :)
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Seriya
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rippey Can only agree 100%
Badly flawed system, surely there must be another way.
If not, maybe -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, TCF and us can have our own "unofficial grumpy-farts-that-didnt-get-in" tournament. :)
I must concur, bit of a joke that the above aren't involved when they want to be.
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Burrito RageQuit
Croatian Knifefighters Mercenary Forces.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:25:00 -
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Agreed for what it's worth.
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:36:00 -
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Agreed. You should allow all alliances to compete in a preliminary round, round robin would work. Single elimination would be somewhat unfair though. You wouldn't need to video the footage, or do commentaries, only have a GM run the matches, and post the results. |
Webb Mordock
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:47:00 -
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(11:46 AM) Webb_Mordock: Evil Thug is on eve-o *****ing about not being able to sign up for the alliance tournament (11:46 AM) Webb_Mordock: hehe (11:46 AM) Kokayn: hwhat (11:46 AM) Kokayn: why can't he? (11:46 AM) zudge: too late I assume (11:46 AM) Webb_Mordock: he was too late (11:46 AM) Webb_Mordock: haha (11:46 AM) Kokayn: hahaha (11:46 AM) Kokayn: that's awesome |
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zhang Ramses
Originally by: Evil Thug I`m here to propose slight system change. Top 16 teams from previous tournament = getting into group stage. Everybody rest is fighting each other, using single elimination system, till we will have 64 teams, who will compete for main prize. Thank you.
So...how high did AAA place in last year's tournament?
We havent participated in last year's tournament. Hence we would like to fight through our way to participate in 6th tournament. |
Vily
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:57:00 -
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agree thug.
even worse should be noted that we WOULD have been signed up early enough, and yet because of a bug were told it was full only to find out that you could still sign up for hours afterwards. THEN to make us wait 3 weeks to find out?
this has been a farce |
Sobic Kurophsky
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 20:16:00 -
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I for one would like to see the larger alliances in the mix. I follow the wars and politics, and seeing it play out in the tourny is priceless.
On a completely diff thought... I wonder if "Tournament organizer" is a dreaded title in CCP offices.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 20:24:00 -
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Sign up instructions posted well in advance? Check and fair.
First come/First serve with provisions made for 4 FW alliances and 12 successful alliances from past 2 tourneys? Check and fair.
Mechanics that permit you to have arranged for someone else to be authorized to sign you up if you were unavailable? Check and fair.
Buggy initial sign up process? Check and unfair - but so is life. Those that were prepared were not held back from signing up.
People complaining because they didn't a) follow the directions or b) plan sufficiently to ensure they could sign up at the given time and now it's someone else's fault? Double Check and pathetic.
TL/DR version: poasting in an elitist whiners/victims thread
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.12 20:56:00 -
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well first come first serve is pretty gay when it means top alliances don't make it in
but hey, doubt they'll change anything at this point so shrug
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Dakaris Zulu
Minmatar Red 42
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:01:00 -
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CCP shows the world of MMO's how to screw things up again, man they should win an award for this one lol..
Anyhoo back to it, why not actually make people qualify to get into the finals ala footballs world cup rather than the shambles we have atm with several alliances tbh not worthy of shining many of those left outs shoes, if your going to have an alliance tournament then fecking have one where we find out who is the best and not who won the sweepstake to get in it.
with many of the big guns gone and replaced by largely poor pvp wannabies its gonna be a lolfest of epic proportions, still gonna watch though if they get sorted out in time..
Maybe next time have the 64/128 or however many actually earning the right to win title eh guys?? not too much to ask is it?
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ddemec
ZER0.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:03:00 -
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aggree with ET gayness... and with that system i will not participate in ally tourney cuz of work :( aaarrggh and one more: GIVE ME MY 500mil BACK PLS!!!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Seriya
Originally by: Rippey Can only agree 100%
Badly flawed system, surely there must be another way.
If not, maybe -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, TCF and us can have our own "unofficial grumpy-farts-that-didnt-get-in" tournament. :)
I must concur, bit of a joke that the above aren't involved when they want to be.
Big alliances does not mean they will be good in the tournament. It also doesn't mean the competition will be any worse with what we have now or that because whatever alliance didn't make it, that the tournament is a joke. Last tournament was outstanding without BoB, -a-, se, tcf or razor. This tournament has a lot of good teams and I will thoroughly enjoy it without the above mentioned alliances.
5th tournament took about 2 days for signups to fill, this tournament took a few hours. That is a problem. People should be let in if they want to play and can bring a full team to each tournament battle.
I would: -Increase fee to 1 billion isk -Accept every signup. Signups available during one weekend. -Rapid fire rounds to determine the last 48 teams. 1/2 the ships allowed, 1/2 the time, and 1/2 the work involved.
With the gank style of this tournament, you can easily have 5 minute rounds and if it is a pre-qualifying tourny then you can boot out any teams that are acting like idiots or show up late or disobey the rules.
Hell, you could even do something very fun like have each alliance executor (or team leader) get into a HAC and then drop them all @ 0km and the last 48 standing get in. lols. --
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:20:00 -
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More people involved is definitely better than less. I'd love to see AAA, Eternal Rapture, STUGH, RZR, and pretty much any other large group show up and participate.
The signup process shouldn't make it hard to get in. It should make it hard to not get in. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:05:00 -
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i wouldn't say it'll be a lolfest, i mean we do have teams like Hun Reloaded, Pandemic Legion, Ev0ke, Cry Havoc and The Star Fraction competing..
Was pretty happy to see GoonSwarm in there too :) |
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Sign up instructions posted well in advance? Check and fair.
First come/First serve with provisions made for 4 FW alliances and 12 successful alliances from past 2 tourneys? Check and fair.
Mechanics that permit you to have arranged for someone else to be authorized to sign you up if you were unavailable? Check and fair.
Buggy initial sign up process? Check and unfair - but so is life. Those that were prepared were not held back from signing up.
People complaining because they didn't a) follow the directions or b) plan sufficiently to ensure they could sign up at the given time and now it's someone else's fault? Double Check and pathetic.
TL/DR version: poasting in an elitist whiners/victims thread
Truth spoken.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk well first come first serve is pretty gay when it means top alliances don't make it in
but hey, doubt they'll change anything at this point so shrug
What makes those alliances you speak of "top"? Beeing big? Having fought/won in previous tournaments? Renowned in the forumss? I think not. Chances were equal. So are alliances when it comes to the tourney.
A system where any alliance would be accepted and the participants would be determined in preliminary rounds might be too much of a hassle to CCP. Maybe we'll have another system next time, maybe not. Adapt or..don't take part.
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ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:12:00 -
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/signed.
crappy to see some of the top teams missing |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 12/01/2009 22:30:59
Originally by: Kuranta What makes those alliances you speak of "top"? Beeing big? Having fought/won in previous tournaments? Renowned in the forumss? I think not. Chances were equal. So are alliances when it comes to the tourney.
size matters, having done well in previous tournaments likewise, high profile ingame and on forums also matters, reputation likewise..
alliances shouldn't be equal when it comes to tourney since some will make for more interesting / entertaining fights than others, which makes for a better tournament
unknown alliances making a name for themselves is all well and good but it's much better if they get to do so against the game's top alliances, nobody would've cared about star fraction winning by using 10 thoraxes if it hadn't been against BoB..
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:32:00 -
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system this year was a ****ing joke tbh
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.12 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk unknown alliances making a name for themselves is all well and good but it's much better if they get to do so against the game's top alliances, nobody would've cared about star fraction winning by using 10 thoraxes if it hadn't been against BoB..
I, for my part don't care all that much for politics. If the participants offer a good and enjoyable fight (which does not depend on the name, size, profile or anything other than good skills of the pilots) - thats all I care about.
Sure, having large and known alliances and / or arc enemies fight each other does add spice to the whole thing, but I don't want to see the same alliances fight each other every tournament all over again and bash eacht other on the forum afterwards.
Since the current tournament has some of those "high profile" alliances in, some not, it seems to be quite ballanced. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug I`m here to propose slight system change. Top 16 teams from previous tournament = getting into group stage. Everybody rest is fighting each other, using single elimination system, till we will have 64 teams, who will compete for main prize. Thank you.
Though I never personally have any problems getting SF into the tournaments (eve capable laptop at work with GSM internet access = tapity tap-tap at midday") - I CAN definitely see that the first come first served system from an arbitary time is not the best way to go about these things.
The system you propose would be far superior ET since it would give EVERYONE a shot from the pre-qualifier and reward consistent good performance.
And as Mistress Suffering says, ideally you want as many people as possible to have a shot at this so who cares if we have 100+ alliances fighting for the 48 random slots - just make a random draw shoot a random draw in a qualifier and put the 48 teams with the highest points through.
Thats a robust system that can grow with Eve and nobody gets to go home feeling cheated of the chance to compete entirely.
If we don't get confirmation that CCP are prepared to make the change for the next one independently ET, I'd suggest you put in a Jita Park suggestion for the CSM to raise it as a formal suggestion in a couple of months to make sure its heard formally.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:08:00 -
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Thank you for support guys. More responces, and may be we will see responce from GMs As for "hey, he is leader of big alliance, lets smack him". Guys, keep in mind, that i never talked about : "hey we are top dog ! allow us into tournament". I`m talking from position of participant. My alliance was unable to get into this tourney, only because its leader had some business in real life. If you do think that this is fair, ok. |
Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:18:00 -
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I actually agree with 99% of the people criticizing the system they used this time around. I would have done it much differently, and I hope that CCP will listen to alot of the suggestions about a single elimination cluster**** next time around as it would keep people like us out of the final stages of the tournament most likely, while still giving us and people like us a shot at it.
I think its extremely important for the little guys to have a chance at giving it a go, but not just because their obsessive executor got up at 3am to push a button and make an isk transaction prior to going back to bed.
My two cents anyways.
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:32:00 -
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Honestly, if the slots filled within a few hours, in addition to making changes to the first-come first-served method of signups, I would propose adding another layer to the tournament to accomodate the obviously much larger pool of interest. By all means increase the fees, etc, but let's expand the tournament.
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:34:00 -
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6 Atrocitas Members: 27
20 Divine 0rder Members: 13
25 Fifth Freedom Members: 24
41 Otherworld Empire Productions Members: 29
43 Prime Orbital Systems Members: 11 Wt-flying-f
57 The InterBus Initiative Members: 14
I'm all in favour of giving smaller alliances more opportunities, and the alliance tourney is certainly a good opportunity for an up-and-coming alliance to make a name for themselves.
The problem is it's an alliance tourney, and the entire concept of an alliance has been totally devalued in the last couple of years. One of my alliance's corporation's alt corp's alt corp (reread to make sure you get it) has more members than some of the above successful entries. _
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