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Sir Ninja Amarr Band of Boobs	Posted - 2009.01.12 19:49:00 - [1] srsly CCP make them be able to warp cloaked, and Role bonus: Immune to missile nerfs i know this is not the first time but ITS ABOUT TIME !!!!
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:14:00 - [2] 1 shot industrials, two shot tanked barges, 4 shot cruisers and falcons, 6 shots can strip a ravens sheild. Im fine
achoura	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:29:00 - [3] I've gone out on hac roaming in a hound, and come out top damage dealer on more than 1 bs kill, personally i'm happy with mine, refitting and sitting at 180km is also good fun *The EVE servers and their patches*
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:31:00 - [4] bombs should do 2x damage they have now. When I first heard about bombs I saw all kinds of cool tactical opportunities. But as usual CCP pussied out and released weaksauce CCP are afraid to create anything with sharp edges. They want things to be dull and average
NuclearSi	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:39:00 - [5] i can sell you a bomber that is able to do something. how much are you offering?
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:54:00 - [6] report on stealth bombers vs falcons you uncloak at 120 km range, lock the falcon, activate ECCM and wait... falcon chills, 15 seconds later falcon hits warp to nearest safe spot and your missile go in random directions creating fireworks show. stealth bomber vs interceptor... missiles barely do enough damage due to high speed of the target, 6 volleys didn't take a crow to half shields... crow spotted the hiding spot, went closer, uncloaked the stealth bomber and landed a single volley of missiles. For some odd reason the stealth bomber was lucky to warp out before the warp scrambler deactivated the warp drive. The stealth bomber escaped with 20% armor. bombs... 4 manticores, one missed completely shooting the opposite direction, one was destroyed by friendly explosion cloud, one fire the wrong bomb type, the last was targeted and killed by rapier. It was an ambush... surprisingly the victims MWD out of explosion radius and the rest jumped. Only 1 enemy interceptor was killed. 2 Manticores were lost, 4 bombs were fired. Total ISK lost 90 million, 45 for the manticores, 45 for the bombs fired and the ones in the cargo hold. Two Pods were lost in the action. Damage done - 30 million isk, enemy crow destroyed. my question, how easy is it to avoid bomb blast with MWD and gate hugging tactic? Bombs take so long that a battleship can warp out.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:04:00 - [7] your doing it all wrong. Engage the falcon at below 40km.
NuclearSi	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:05:00 - [8] i always thought stealth bombers are meant to be more strategic tools than a solo boat?
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:13:00 - [9] Originally by: baltec1 your doing it all wrong. Engage the falcon at below 40km. it's the falcon who likes to warp at 150 kms... and I didn't have his safespot or time to move cloaked
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:36:00 - [10] Originally by: NuclearSi i always thought stealth bombers are meant to be more strategic tools than a solo boat? Solo strategies with the stealth bomber tend to be the most entertaining (for the pilot, not for his friends). Nothing is more entertaining the one-volleying a ship that is speed 0 thinking it is safe from the world because of all those friendlies nearby. You used to be able to one volley moving frigs though...haven't had much experience since the missile nerf. For those of you currently flying stealth bombers -> what circumstances do you find yourself fighting in? What is it you DO with your bomber?
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Opertone Originally by: baltec1 your doing it all wrong. Engage the falcon at below 40km. it's the falcon who likes to warp at 150 kms... and I didn't have his safespot or time to move cloaked then you spooked it. I never have a problem getting out to a falcon and chasing it off or killing it.
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.12 23:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Ephemeron CCP are afraid to create anything with sharp edges. They want things to be dull and average ccp would love to make things sharp and edgy, but it's us who are ruining any possibility of that with constant complaints that X is better than Y and Z should be nerfed to be inline with X and Y. if eve were a democracy there would only be one hull, one race, one weapon system and a PvE server for the whingers. i'm still not convinced there shouldn't be a PvE server for the whingers anyway.
Eternum Praetorian Tupperware Party	Posted - 2009.01.13 02:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Opertone report on stealth bombers vs falcons you uncloak at 120 km range, lock the falcon, activate ECCM and wait... falcon chills, 15 seconds later falcon hits warp to nearest safe spot and your missile go in random directions creating fireworks show. stealth bomber vs interceptor... missiles barely do enough damage due to high speed of the target, 6 volleys didn't take a crow to half shields... crow spotted the hiding spot, went closer, uncloaked the stealth bomber and landed a single volley of missiles. For some odd reason the stealth bomber was lucky to warp out before the warp scrambler deactivated the warp drive. The stealth bomber escaped with 20% armor. bombs... 4 manticores, one missed completely shooting the opposite direction, one was destroyed by friendly explosion cloud, one fire the wrong bomb type, the last was targeted and killed by rapier. It was an ambush... surprisingly the victims MWD out of explosion radius and the rest jumped. Only 1 enemy interceptor was killed. 2 Manticores were lost, 4 bombs were fired. Total ISK lost 90 million, 45 for the manticores, 45 for the bombs fired and the ones in the cargo hold. Two Pods were lost in the action. Damage done - 30 million isk, enemy crow destroyed. my question, how easy is it to avoid bomb blast with MWD and gate hugging tactic? Bombs take so long that a battleship can warp out. Actually this puts it out there perfectly. Bombers are for the most part LOL. Bombs are LOL. With a small amount of usefulness in the ****-with the other guy factor. Are they archaic? Meaning were they cool once and CCP has just forgot about them? Are were they always this useless?
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2009.01.13 06:19:00 - [14] http://badd.griefwatch.net/?p=kills&iname=JVol&iweapon=Concussion%20Bomb 35 kills.. bombs work fine, very difficult to get right. We now need our faction and t2 variants please. Oh, and ditch the sec hits for using them in o.o on gates. thx
Smelts	Posted - 2009.01.14 04:27:00 - [15] Originally by: baltec1 1 shot industrials, two shot tanked barges, 4 shot cruisers and falcons, 6 shots can strip a ravens sheild. Im fine If they are standing still with their modules de-activated and a ******ed baboon at the controls yes. otherwise.. no. Industrials and barges in low sec or high-sec during wardecs will have shield/resists that do not allow you to one or two-shot them. As for the cruisers and raven comment... this will only happen if you are but one of the horde that managed to tackle the ship down. Otherwise you'd be dead before the first missile salvo reaches the target -or- they will jump out before that missile reaches them. Stealth bombers: CCP's 'Invisible Boy' : The 'Stealth' only works when nobody is looking at it.
echohead	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:48:00 - [16] Stealth bombers are not ships for low skillpoint players. In the correct hands a stealth bomber is extremely effective and I see no need to change them. The thing about stealthbombers and recon ships is they are not ment to go around crushing people, they are for being sneaky, zipping by gatecamps, and picking one sided fits against frigs. You think bombers don't work well? find a lowsec complex and camp it waiting for some poor frig or cruiser to come by, or bring a few stealth bombers and really have some fun You also have to keep the cost of a ship in mind when you think about how useful it is. And off the top of my head a bomber is the most cost effective t2 frig out there.
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:51:00 - [17] Lots of the SB threads are a bit whiny, SBs are excellent ships whilst I would agree that certain things need changing they are still a great little ship to fly. Possible changes: Missile speed bonus Warp whilst cloaked Built in passive targeting bonus Better ship speed bonus when cloacked Rate of fire bonus Just a few suggestions. I've been flying mine for about six months on and off, and have to say I love my Nemises. I find solo work fine as long as you choose your targets and think a little about what your doing. Also try getting under 45km from your target de-cloak, fire and then re-cloak before your missiles hit. The cruise missiles will still cause damage and quite a few pilots are quite dumb and whilst they sit there wondering where that came from you can repeat and pop the ship. This is my general tactic, but also never stay in the same spot if you can help it. Dont fit a tank to your ship as its a waste of time if your locked and can't warp out for what ever reason then your dead just accept it. Tactics are whats required when flying these ship types, and a small group of say 4-5 of them can cause mahem. In a fleet batle you can be a bonus to have around with all that extra DPS your carrying. But overall every pilot of every ship needs to adapt to the ship he or she is flying and learn it's strengths and weaknesses to become truely proficient in its use. I for one love my little ship and have plenty of success with it. Above all have fun and fly safe. ----------------------------------------------- Tralowski independent Traders (TiT) Building Capital components and Capital repair modules.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 09:02:00 - [18] Say.... what if we made the bombers have 50 or so sensor stength? They'd be the perfect anti-falcon ships and I would not be embarassed anymore to be seen in one
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 09:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Smelts Originally by: baltec1 1 shot industrials, two shot tanked barges, 4 shot cruisers and falcons, 6 shots can strip a ravens sheild. Im fine If they are standing still with their modules de-activated and a ******ed baboon at the controls yes. otherwise.. no. Industrials and barges in low sec or high-sec during wardecs will have shield/resists that do not allow you to one or two-shot them. As for the cruisers and raven comment... this will only happen if you are but one of the horde that managed to tackle the ship down. Otherwise you'd be dead before the first missile salvo reaches the target -or- they will jump out before that missile reaches them. Stealth bombers: CCP's 'Invisible Boy' : The 'Stealth' only works when nobody is looking at it. Then you are also doing it wrong. My little purifier is a fantastic little ship and can do everything I have said. Ravens fitted with a thermal/kinetic tank drop like a rock because of my EM bonused missiles. Barges in low sec/0.0 only last 2 vollies. and I have one shotted plenty of haulers simply because very few fit a tank on them. The only ships I will not engage are frigates.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.14 09:30:00 - [20] Originally by: JVol http://badd.griefwatch.net/?p=kills&iname=JVol&iweapon=Concussion%20Bomb 35 kills.. bombs work fine, very difficult to get right. We now need our faction and t2 variants please. Oh, and ditch the sec hits for using them in o.o on gates. thx goonswarm has brain the size of a squirrel nut... no surprise that they die like this. A typical Tri took only one surprise attack to adapt to stealth bombers. Oh yes, I enjoyed bomb kills, but they do not work very well.
Doctor Mabuse	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:16:00 - [21] Allow lockbreaker and cap bombs to work in lo-sec = Useful bomber ------------------------------------ Who's trip-trapping on my bridge?
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 14:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Doctor Mabuse Allow lockbreaker and cap bombs to work in lo-sec = Useful bomber As if they're used in 0.0? Boink!

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