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Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:05:00 - [1] I like my Stealth Bomber, I do, it's a great little ship although it does have its drawbacks. But hey, it's just a T2 frig, you can't expect miracles from it. A larger class of Stealth Bombers might be a nice step up for those who like to hide in the shadows. The Boomer Class is the Tech II variant of the Tier 2 Cruisers, next to Heavy Assault Ships. They can use four Siege Launchers and get a reduction to Explosion Radius (but not as much as SB) and an increase to Explosion Velocity as well as a serious increase to Torpedo speed. They can use a Covert Ops cloak, but they aren't very fast, although they are agile. Name: Foxtrot Boomers are the larger and more deadly cousins of the Stealth Bomber frigates. Specificily designed to fire Torpedos at high velocities, this slugger can deal a devastating blow. Add to this the ability to use a Covert Ops cloaking device and the ability to precisely target Torpedos against smaller targets, this beast will see many battlefields far and near. Developer: Kaalakiota (yep, black Caracal) As befits one of the largest weapons manufacturers in the known world, Kaalakiota's ships are very combat focused. Favoring the traditional Caldari combat strategy, they are designed around a substantial number of weapons systems, especially missile launchers. However, they have rather weak armor and structure, relying more on shields for protection. Attributes High slots: 5 Med slots: 5 Low slots: 3 Turret slots: 0 Launcher slots: 4 CPU: 380 PG: 500 Speed: 140m/s Drone Bay: 0m3 Bandwidth: 0m3 Cargo: 400m3 Shield Capacity: 1205 (EM: 0%, Th: 40%, Kin: 55%, Exp: 50%) Recharge Time: 1250 sec Armor: 876 (EM: 50%, Th: 55%, Kinetic: 40%, Exp: 10%) Hull: 934 Capacitor: 800 Cap recharge: 400 sec Targeting range: 100km Warp speed: 6 AU/s Sensor strength: 22 Sensor calibration: 350mm Intertia: 0.205 Mass: 13,410,000 kg Skill bonus 5% Bonus to Kinetic Torpedo Damage and 10% reduction to Explosion Radius per level Ship bonus 100% Bonus to Torpedo Velocity and 10% Bonus to Explosion Velocity per level Role bonus 95% reduction in Siege Missile Launcher powergrid need 100% reduction to targeting delay after decloaking Specialty bonus Can fit Covert Ops cloaking device Thoughts? Suggestions? ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:10:00 - [2] Not bad. I like it. Seems like a natural progression and i really like the idea of speeding up the torps by 100% a level!
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:13:00 - [3] Originally by: CommanderData211 Not bad. I like it. Seems like a natural progression and i really like the idea of speeding up the torps by 100% a level! Means it goes 7500m/s at lvl 5 without other skills, which is a fair speed given their role. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Mithfindel Gallente Zenko Group	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:00:00 - [4] I'm not quite sure all factions do have a "missile cruiser" hull. As you can see with the existing ships, CCP has a very, very simple system on what goes with what. Also, cov ops cloak with a combat abilities wouldn't be very likely - I'd find it much more likely that the Stealth Bombers would get to use it than a cruiser-sized combat vessel. That said, I find it likely that there could be something. Using the second-tier combat cruiser hulls we'd have designs based on Caldari Caracal, Amarr (Khanid) Omen (on the second thought, do want), Minmatar Stabber and Gallente Vexor (though a missile-spewing Vexor sounds a bit odd). EW hulls don't seem that fitting, the other alternative would be to use the tier1 hulls (Osprey, Auguror, Scythe, Exequror). There were some wild rumours about a possible stealth bomber change to torps, though. As such, going "one class up" would yield fragile cruisers using Citadel Torps, though I don't comment whether this would be overpowered or not. (Without the siege module the damage would be low, and these would need the targets to be still and very large.)
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:22:00 - [5] Yeh, the Vexor as a missileboat is the add man out (I'd rather have the Thorax or Exequror) but that's just the way it is, although there isn't anything that says the T1 variants have to be the same tier.
srs bsns	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:13:00 - [6] Edited by: srs bsns on 13/01/2009 15:14:09 (yep, black Caracal) SOLD!
Ammath Amarr Mentis Fidelis Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:49:00 - [7] Honestly I think this would be better done with the Destroyer Class. Its the only ship class without 2x T2 variants.
Chaos Hellbreth Caldari Dark Skullz Empire Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:51:00 - [8] Yeah, nice idea but the last thing that we need is ANOTHER T2 Cruiser variant. How about giving the Battleships, Battlecruisers, and Destroyers some more lovin'? ESPECIALLY the destroyers...
Rudolf Miller Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:59:00 - [9] /support
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 01:16:00 - [10] Destroyers are an option, though the training time for them might not be heavy enough to justify the advantages of a Boomer. I suppose I could add some secondary skills to balance it out if Destroyers as Boomers get support. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2009.01.14 04:24:00 - [11] Add the other races too and remove the cov ops cloak (you cant fit it without a cpu bonus anyway) and make it a green caracal or something - big boom green!
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.01.14 05:29:00 - [12] Bombers (non-stealh) is a frigate class still unreleased. Unlike thier stealth cousins on the same hulls they are based on these ships dont lob massive missiles but smaller missiles are extreme ranges and rate of fire. They have attributes similar to an assault frigate. I would peferr to see this first as a frigate leading up to the suggested boomer class. Also may I suggest renaming your ship? Caldari so far have stuck to animals entirely and foxtrot is just a pheonic or dance or that popular sunday comic strip, nothing to do with foxes really, also avoid large predatory cats a shipyard from minmatar often uses those. Could try the Kappa. Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.01.14 09:52:00 - [13] I think this would probably be better suited to the destroyers, as the cruisers do have a number of tech2 variants, but destroyers just have the one. I quite like the idea of a cloaking Catalyst stealth bomber. All the destroyers would look quite good in that role, and they aren't too big a step up from the existing class. If it was a cruiser, it would probably have to be tier 1, and those ships just don't look like stealth bombers to me, except maybe the Augeror. The only other alternative, would be another BC variant, but I think those ships would be too big. Not unless CCP intend this kind of thing as a potential role for their new Tech 3 ships.
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 09:55:00 - [14] I've modified the Boomer class to Destroyers as their T1 counterpart and added the CPU reduction for Covert Ops devices. The Torp speed bonus is now the role bonus. Also, here is the Caldari version, I'll add the others later ------------------ Caldari ------------------ Hull: Cormorant Name: Harrier Boomers are the larger and more deadly cousins of the Stealth Bomber frigates. Specificily designed to fire Torpedos at high velocities, this slugger can deal a devastating blow. Add to this the ability to use a Covert Ops cloaking device and the ability to precisely target Torpedos against smaller targets, this beast will see many battlefields far and near. Developer: Lai Dai Lai Dai have always favored a balanced approach to their mix of on-board systems, leading to a line-up of versatile ships but providing very little in terms of tactical specialization. Attributes High slots: 5 Med slots: 5 Low slots: 3 Turret slots: 0 Launcher slots: 4 CPU: 400 PG: 70 Speed: 180m/s Drone Bay: 0m3 Bandwidth: 0m3 Cargo: 450m3 Shield Capacity: 705 (EM: 0%, Th: 40%, Kin: 55%, Exp: 50%) Recharge Time: 625 sec Armor: 576 (EM: 50%, Th: 55%, Kinetic: 40%, Exp: 10%) Hull: 534 Capacitor: 500 Cap recharge: 333 sec Targeting range: 90km Warp speed: 6 AU/s Sensor strength: 22 Sensor calibration: 550mm Intertia: 1.405 Mass: 2,610,000 kg Skill bonus 5% Bonus to Kinetic Torpedo Damage and 10% reduction to Explosion Radius per level Ship bonus 98%-100% reduction to Covert Ops cloaking device CPU usage and 10% Bonus to Explosion Velocity per level Role bonus 99% reduction in Siege Missile Launcher powergrid need 100% reduction to targeting delay after decloaking Specialty bonus 500% Bonus to Torpedo Velocity (7500m/s)
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 10:00:00 - [15] <reserved> ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:13:00 - [16] The needed skills to fly a Boomer: Racial Frigate V Destroyers V Spaceship Command V Evasive Maneuvering V Covert Ops IV Navigation IV Long Range Targetting IV The V skills aren't heavy in rank, with the IV augmenting them a little.
xVx dreadnaught	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:48:00 - [17] I wouldn't give em the Cov ops cloak... because of the same reason the current stealth bombers don't have them. Because it would make the, too deadly able to warp to a belt cloaked... The cov-op cloak is specific to hunting people down to call in support to fight them. being able to do it yourself is a bit much. But I do like the rest of your Idea. I'd like the Idea of a Stealthed turret boat aswell, one that has gets a bonus to range and damage for a short while after uncloaking. so it would be designed for hit and run.
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 12:02:00 - [18] Originally by: xVx dreadnaught I wouldn't give em the Cov ops cloak... because of the same reason the current stealth bombers don't have them. Because it would make the, too deadly able to warp to a belt cloaked... The cov-op cloak is specific to hunting people down to call in support to fight them. being able to do it yourself is a bit much. But I do like the rest of your Idea. I'd like the Idea of a Stealthed turret boat aswell, one that has gets a bonus to range and damage for a short while after uncloaking. so it would be designed for hit and run. The Boomers are made of paper, they would die very quickly if they attempted anything solo, being able to warp in cloaked with your gang prevents them from spotting you before you manage to cloak. It also allows the Boomer to sneak up on people a little easier.
retro mike	Posted - 2009.01.14 12:03:00 - [19] Good ideas but ccp please first fix the Stealth Bombers that have been crippled by the missile nerf!
Super spikinator	Posted - 2009.01.14 12:27:00 - [20] Originally by: retro mike Good ideas but ccp please first fix the Stealth Bombers that have been crippled by the missile nerf! this. I do love this idea, it would be nice to see more t2 ships that aren't frig/cruiser. Now, all we need to do is get some consensus on a Tier 2 destroyer.
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 12:58:00 - [21] It's a Tech II Destroyer, not a Tier 2 The Boomers will have the current Destroyers as their T1 counterparts.
Super spikinator	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Thenoran It's a Tech II Destroyer, not a Tier 2 The Boomers will have the current Destroyers as their T1 counterparts. ah. I see now. It makes sense as well since this is supposed to be a bigger bomber basically. I still approve :D
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Super spikinator Originally by: Thenoran It's a Tech II Destroyer, not a Tier 2 The Boomers will have the current Destroyers as their T1 counterparts. ah. I see now. It makes sense as well since this is supposed to be a bigger bomber basically. I still approve :D Yeah it's a bigger bomber, but with a lot faster missiles ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Mike C Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.14 21:08:00 - [24] A missile duration bonus would be nice /signed __________________________________________________ Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
Esiel Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.14 21:19:00 - [25] Here I go again --- Inquisition Razorbill Messor Gladius Names should be in line with naming conventions. (I made these a while ago when I was thinking that their needs to be a second destroyer hull. Once again I give CCP full rights to use these if they want -- Doubt it will happen but I can dream can't I) * CSM Dead Horse
Mike C Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.14 21:25:00 - [26] The Razorbill needs to be symmetrical. A tech 2 destroyer looking like someone welded scorpion's "wings" to a phoon and scaled it down will make me physically ill next to my raven, scorp, and phoon :P __________________________________________________ Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Thenoran on 14/01/2009 23:25:54 These are not Tier 2 destroyers! They are TII variants of the current ones, just like the Stealth Bomber is, a new hull is not required for them at all. A missile duration bonus won't help as much as the speed bonus, for example: 100% speed vs 100% missile fuel time means with speed it gets there twice as fast while covering the same distance. Cov Ops generator and cynos aren't the tasks of this ship class, you already have the current Covert Ops ship for that.
Mike C Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Mike C Edited by: Mike C on 14/01/2009 21:39:35 The Razorbill needs to be symmetrical. A tech 2 destroyer looking like someone welded scorpion's "wings" to a phoon and scaled it down will make me physically ill next to my raven and phoon :P EDIT: No cov ops cloak, please. You also forgot the ability to fit a cov ops cyno generator and the ability to use a cov ops jump bridge. THESE ships would make the black ops jump bridge very useful if the ability to pop cov ops cynos in cyno jammed systems is added. Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 14/01/2009 23:25:54 These are not Tier 2 destroyers! They are TII variants of the current ones, just like the Stealth Bomber is, a new hull is not required for them at all. A missile duration bonus won't help as much as the speed bonus, for example: 100% speed vs 100% missile fuel time means with speed it gets there twice as fast while covering the same distance. Cov Ops generator and cynos aren't the tasks of this ship class, you already have the current Covert Ops ship for that. 1) I know how missiles work. When I talked about missile duration bonus I hadn't seen the torp velocity bonus 2) Cov Ops gear can be fitted on recons, cov ops, stealth bombers (which this is supposed to be a step up from), black ops, etc. This would be added anyway 3) I NEVER said anything about Tier 2 destroyers. Read my attached quote, Tech 2 destroyer. 4) Your drawings, or whatever they are, depict a new model / hull, so I chimed in. Don't like it? Don't read my post.
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Mike C Originally by: Mike C Edited by: Mike C on 14/01/2009 21:39:35 The Razorbill needs to be symmetrical. A tech 2 destroyer looking like someone welded scorpion's "wings" to a phoon and scaled it down will make me physically ill next to my raven and phoon :P EDIT: No cov ops cloak, please. You also forgot the ability to fit a cov ops cyno generator and the ability to use a cov ops jump bridge. THESE ships would make the black ops jump bridge very useful if the ability to pop cov ops cynos in cyno jammed systems is added. Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 14/01/2009 23:25:54 These are not Tier 2 destroyers! They are TII variants of the current ones, just like the Stealth Bomber is, a new hull is not required for them at all. A missile duration bonus won't help as much as the speed bonus, for example: 100% speed vs 100% missile fuel time means with speed it gets there twice as fast while covering the same distance. Cov Ops generator and cynos aren't the tasks of this ship class, you already have the current Covert Ops ship for that. 1) I know how missiles work. When I talked about missile duration bonus I hadn't seen the torp velocity bonus 2) Cov Ops gear can be fitted on recons, cov ops, stealth bombers (which this is supposed to be a step up from), black ops, etc. This would be added anyway 3) I NEVER said anything about Tier 2 destroyers. Read my attached quote, Tech 2 destroyer. 4) Your drawings, or whatever they are, depict a new model / hull, so I chimed in. Don't like it? Don't read my post. 3 & 4 was aimed at Esiel, not you
Antimony Noske	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Thenoran Hull: Coercer Name: Cleric Attributes High slots: 5 Med slots: 4 Low slots: 4 Turret slots: 0 Launcher slots: 4 Too many medium slots, not enough low slots. It doesn't follow proper Amarr convention. Drop a medium slot or two, and add a low slot or two.

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