I The fact that carebears have no souls makes it nice. Makes it very easy to sleep at night after tormenting them.

When I was in the forces, there was a guy like you that used to pretend that he was cool and tuff by being a loud mouth and pissing a lot of people off. When I grabbed him by the neck and told him I was going to break is jaw, he right away pissed in is pants. That was the 1st and only time in my life that someone did that in front of me. When I see posts like yours, it makes me want to live that event again.

I gank miners, because they make it easy for me to with their empty midslots and contempt for dmg cntrls. The fact that carebears have no souls makes it nice. Makes it very easy to sleep at night after tormenting them.

When I was in the forces, there was a guy like you that used to pretend that he was cool and tuff by being a loud mouth and pissing a lot of people off. When I grabbed him by the neck and told him I was going to break is jaw, he right away pissed in is pants. That was the 1st and only time in my life that someone did that in front of me. When I see posts like yours, it makes me want to live that event again.

...Other risks for the ganker include bad range/tracking after warping in, more tank than expected, crappy loot/salvage drop, etc. It's not just Concord. And in hisec the loss of your ship is guaranteed, whereas in nullsec you most probably survive.
From this perspective I'd say the hisec gank is even riskier.

Was your kill less risky because the Retriever was dumb enough to go back to the mining site?

...Or, to get back to the original statement: Does it require more balls to fight in a 300 man nullsec blob than to sologank a Hulk?

...Or, to get back to the original statement: Does it require more balls to fight in a 300 man nullsec blob than to sologank a Hulk?

Oh my! Can I touch your bicepts? Honestly though, you wouldn't have done jack to the guy because if you did break his jaw you'd end up serving time with hard labor. At this point, I'm even doubting you where in the "forces" because nearly nobody in the military that I've ever known calls it that. It's called the "Service".

In fact, you can touch me anywhere you want as long as you do it gently.

Sounds like somebody is part of the don't ask don't tell policy!

I don't think the question was why people suicide gank. (wich is largly for the lols and to refill the tear jar) But why some people appear to HATE miners and other highsec pve players.

When I was in the forces, there was a guy like you that used to pretend that he was cool and tuff by being a loud mouth and pissing a lot of people off. When I grabbed him by the neck and told him I was going to break is jaw, he right away pissed in is pants. That was the 1st and only time in my life that someone did that in front of me. When I see posts like yours, it makes me want to live that event again.

Most of the official points have been displayed here but I can think of one more. Hating miners gives people the excuse to kill them. There is a class of PVPr out there that knows that they can't hang with the big boys so they have to pick on the cripples. Thus they rage about how miners are filth and they hate them because of whatever reason their cracked brain can come up with. It is all nonsense though and they pick on miners simply because miners can't fight back. I've also seen the claim made that they are simply culling bots (Which is also untrue). Miners are easy prey, its just a part of life. As long as we have easy prey we will have those that kill them.

Note: I am *NOT* saying that mining ships should be massive tankers. A mining boat is built for one purpose. Mining. The day I see a hulk out on a battlefield somewhere is the day I throw up all over my keyboard. Hulks do NOT need tank buffs.

Vexx

The fact that carebears have no souls makes it nice. Makes it very easy to sleep at night after tormenting them.

You are a first class uneducated dumbass.

Ah, the truth. It stings, doesn't it? Would you enjoy a moist calamine towelette to ease your pain? Or perhaps a Light Neutron Blaster II treatment? I hear it's quite effective.

You can't even scratch the paint on my shuttle, stfu.

You can't even scratch the paint on my shuttle, stfu.

Most of the official points have been displayed here but I can think of one more. Hating miners gives people the excuse to kill them. There is a class of PVPr out there that knows that they can't hang with the big boys so they have to pick on the cripples. Thus they rage about how miners are filth and they hate them because of whatever reason their cracked brain can come up with. It is all nonsense though and they pick on miners simply because miners can't fight back. I've also seen the claim made that they are simply culling bots (Which is also untrue). Miners are easy prey, its just a part of life. As long as we have easy prey we will have those that kill them.

Note: I am *NOT* saying that mining ships should be massive tankers. A mining boat is built for one purpose. Mining. The day I see a hulk out on a battlefield somewhere is the day I throw up all over my keyboard. Hulks do NOT need tank buffs.

Vexx

OK I'm confused, I don't mine myself but reading through the forums there seems to be a hell of a lot of unwarranted hatred towards miners and industrialists. (Note: this is not an anti-Hulkageddon thread, I think Hulkageddon is hilarious as I just stand on the sidelines and watch with popcorn at the ready)
I can understand the hate for botters and I applaud any and all attempts to rid them from New Eden. And I can also understand why people don't like the guys who have a bazillion mining alts, but the hate for the average guy in his Hulk who just mines his minerals while chatting to his corp mates so he can build a ship or two seems totally unreasonable to me.

Now as I said I don't mine myself so this is not tears or whining, I am just puzzled as to why people seem to loathe miners so much as to want to drive them from the game. Miners are a key part of the EvE economy (like it or not) without them bearing away there wouldn't be as many ships /modules/ammo etc on the market for us to blow each other up in.

I or one can't be bothered mining the minerals to build even a frigate let alone a battleship so I say fair play to those who can and aren't using macros and bots to do it.

So I ask you the denizens of C&P, why all the hate yo?

I don't hate miners as a class of player at all. They mine the minerals that make my Hurricanes which allow me to rain death and destruction upon the good and righteous inhabitants of Eve.

What I do hate is the miners that CRY CRY CRY to CPP for immunity from any sort of unconsensual pvp and believe they are entitled to do their thing in complete peace in highsec. I don't care when they pour their tears out on me, mostly because the salty flavor and texture is pleasing to my palette. But when they go to the game developers and ask, nay, demand that they be able to be 100% safe at all times in highsec...that's where I draw my line. I think that is where most people draw their line too.

The unrelenting ganking and griefing is due to miners flapping their lips and acting like babies about nearly everything. EVE is game of risk, and if you can't live with it, there is the airlock. Feel free to jettison your flotsam out of it. Now if they mine, get ganked, and then say to themselves, "Oh well. This happens, and that's the risk I take when going out to mine in a ship with a paper thin tank," there'd be very little hate at all.

What those miners out there are experiencing is what we referred to as 'group punishment' in the military. You're paying the price for someone else who can't stop flapping their lips to the big bosses instead of taking there loss as a learning experience. You're paying because there are crybabies out there who want to transform this game into something it's antithetically against; riskless gaming. Eve does not suffer the weak or stupid. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

I hate to go on a diatribe about this, but those miners and anyone else that dies out there benefits the living. It drives the economy. Those are the people who build Hulks/Macks to replace those you lost, those who slurp up moon-goo in nullsec, and the other miners that where lucky enough to live that day. It drives up mineral prices enough because there is a lesser supply of them due to your death on the market. Supply and demand is the name of the game. EVE is a capitalistic venture, and should always be. It's the thirst for power, money, and the wailing of your enemies.

/soapbox