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hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk The way I see it their ego or whatever is completely irrelevant, it's a question of what's best for the tournament and what's going to provide the most interesting / entertaining show. Personally I consider that a lot more important than being fair to everyone, also on average large alliances ARE more skilled than small ones, simply because they have a larger pool of talent to choose from and often have more experience and commitment, not just "THOUGHT WE'D THROW OUR HATS IN FOR SOME FUN, WE KNOW WE'LL LOSE HORRIBLY BUT WHATEVER LOL" I really wish CCP could just be like "this team's out, that team's in just because we think it'd be a better show" but alas it's not going to happen ;[ PS; all that said I do believe tourney's consistently improved every single time from the previous one and I fully expect this one to be no exception The big alliances had every oppurtunity to get in, as everyone else. Your in a small alliance in the tournament. And as the guy from Cosa Nostra said, last year it was the big alliance that brought truley boring setups. I'd much rather see an interesting fight between two unknowns than a boring one between two large alliances.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:46:00 - [32] You two saying large alliances had boring setups doesn't make it true, and I haven't seen any examples to back your point. Maybe you just don't remember the boring setups unknowns fielded because nobody cared about those matches ? I don't see what me being in a small alliance has to do with anything ;P Everyone in it except Chribba's alts are only in for the tournament, and personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. (as a team is another story) I'm all for some unknowns being in, but as others have said you need the big famous teams for them to topple, more of those in the better. Anyways just my opinion that making things fair for everyone shouldn't be as high a priority as putting on a good show.
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I don't see what me being in a small alliance has to do with anything ;P Everyone in it except Chribba's alts are only in for the tournament, and personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. I feel the same way, this alliance was set up soley for the tourney. We don't deserve to be in it as much as some of the big names do. But they had thier chance to register, if they wanted in as badly as everyone else, they'd have one of thier hundreds of members waiting to sign them up. I was watching last years previous tournament yesterday and saw some pretty boring dual logistic set ups from numerous large alliances. Nothing quite as epic as mass moas.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. ISSUE - Bring back live events
Charlie Luciano The Administration Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. This. And in regards to examples of boring setups (keep in mind this is going with the idea of Haldane Fisher that dual logi teams were boring) - I seem to recall Triumvirate, The Five, Morsus Mihi, PL, Atlas, Ev0ke and hell even IAC fielded dual logi teams at some point in the tourney... _____________________________ A Parola d'onuri vali sangu
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:30:00 - [36] yeah but the BLASTER MOAS made our setup not boring despite dual basilisk ;d and the phantasms the second time we tried that
Haldane Fisher Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Charlie Luciano Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. This. And in regards to examples of boring setups (keep in mind this is going with the idea of Haldane Fisher that dual logi teams were boring) - I seem to recall Triumvirate, The Five, Morsus Mihi, PL, Atlas, Ev0ke and hell even IAC fielded dual logi teams at some point in the tourney... Have you read anything I've said or just picked out bits here and there so you could keep frothing at the mouth? The current tournament rules encourage turtle or rock,paper, scissors. Old setup imo had more to do with pilot/teamplay skill than this one, which is more about pot luck. "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Charlie Luciano The Administration Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk yeah but the BLASTER MOAS made our setup not boring despite dual basilisk ;d and the phantasms the second time we tried that I never said dual logi setups were boring - Haldane Fisher said After all we fielded dual logis in 4 out 5 matches in Tourney V and I do think we had some pretty interesting fights _____________________________ A Parola d'onuri vali sangu
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. I would like to see them in to see them lose. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.22 06:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk yeah but the BLASTER MOAS made our setup not boring despite dual basilisk ;d and the phantasms the second time we tried that Non-boring Blaster Moa setup: Notoriety Alliance VS Synchr0nicity And well, don't even need to mention phantasms...
Susan Kennedy Gallente Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.22 10:30:00 - [41] Edited by: Susan Kennedy on 22/01/2009 10:35:35 Edited by: Susan Kennedy on 22/01/2009 10:32:44 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I really wish CCP could just be like "this team's out, that team's in just because we think it'd be a better show" but alas it's not going to happen ;[ Yes - Lets give CCP more opportunity to demonstrate personal bias!! I understand your points but its done now. Any of the alliances whos executor could be bothered to get out of bed got it. Those whos executor was twiddling his fingers, snoozing, or playing guitar hero didnt. Those whos executor was in hospital/work/school need to smack down their moaning members who need to realise its just a game and the executors RL commitments come first over their emorage. BTW I need someone to sit in on a high isk value transfer (details will be sent) and I cant get hold of Chribba. I assume you wouldnt be in his alliance if you were not trustworthy - would you be prepared to sit in on it for me? I wouldnt ask but it needs to be done rapidly. KENNEDY
Hamish Minmatar Tribal Trust of Pator Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:13:00 - [42] Edited by: Hamish on 22/01/2009 11:14:57 nvm The Hamish Saga
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Susan Kennedy BTW I need someone to sit in on a high isk value transfer (details will be sent) and I cant get hold of Chribba. I assume you wouldnt be in his alliance if you were not trustworthy - would you be prepared to sit in on it for me? I wouldnt ask but it needs to be done rapidly. Well you know what they say about assumptions Maybe you should google my corp name ?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.01.22 12:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Susan Kennedy BTW I need someone to sit in on a high isk value transfer (details will be sent) and I cant get hold of Chribba. I assume you wouldnt be in his alliance if you were not trustworthy - would you be prepared to sit in on it for me? I wouldnt ask but it needs to be done rapidly. Well you know what they say about assumptions Maybe you should google my corp name ? lol Altho... he's not in my alliance... he's in my alt alliance, which states, Also renting out slots for the PVP Tournament. Anything happening outside myself (or my specificed alts in my bio) is out of my control. Secure 3rd party service

Susan Kennedy Gallente Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:19:00 - [45] It twere a joke. KENNEDY
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.23 06:38:00 - [46] I like to have the big alliances in the tournament because I find it fun to cheer for my alliance/my alliances allies, or to watch our enemies matches and hope they loose (even though some of them have done quite well in the passed :P ). Sure small alliances have some very skilled pilots and still produce interesting matches. But it's not the same when you don't know who to cheer for. Basically I'm saying that I agree with that first football/soccer analogy that was given about Brazil vs France compared to Madagaskar vs papua new guinea
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:17:00 - [47] 2pages, but back to Wildcat's point since he's got one I think. Regardless of TRI's decision to drop out or what have the point I wanted to try re rail the thread on. Is yes Big Names in the tourney is a good thing. Especially because it adds a big boost to the small alliance teams that are dreaming of ascending to the top. The missing factor of the big names in this one will diminish the title regardless. Any champion will constantly be bashed on the sidelines because they didn't have to fight <insert name here> or they would have lost to <insert name here> Of course there is always additional speculation on the subject of what if's, shoulda's, woulda's and coulda's... but there will be a taint on this trophy due to many of the big names not being present. However I still hold my position that any alliance given the drive and resources should be allowed a fair chance to compete. Many of the tournaments have had a fair share of Comedy Alliances. But now that the participation enthusiasm I think this swiss system for tourney VII will need to include more slots and perhaps three initial rounds to get to the final bracket, thus allowing more teams into the tourney and a few fights to prove they belong there. And keeping ample slots for the big names to get in as well. Again AT V was the first that bob did not participate in (i think) many other big names did, but most of the mainstays of the finals were small pvp/pirate/npc0.0 alliances, and if I know anything I would say that even with Dual Logistics Setups AT V was a great tournament with a badass final. Just my thoughts, Tyraxx you of course have valid points in it all, but I'm afraid I still look from the david perspective of David and Goliath. GL to all the teams, fly safish gotta go to work... --McFly--
Pilk Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:54:00 - [48] Those making the "Papua New Guinea vs. Madagascar" references need to realize that the fundamental assumptions are flawed. In particular, a big part of the reason why nobody in the U.S. tunes into PNG vs. Madagascar is because they know the play isn't going to be exciting, whereas they'll watch Brazil vs. Argentina even if they have no idea who's playing, because if they so much as glance at the TV for a few moments they'll see world-class athletes trying their hardest. In RL, it takes a complicated and extensive network to hone the skills of the very, very tiny portion of your population who are going to have some of the essential baseline skills to become world-class soccer players. In a nation as small as Madagascar, perhaps ten are born per generation, of whom only one will ever become a professional soccer player. In Brazil, on the other hand, hundred if not thousands of potential world-class players are available, and you can easily fill a team with those who didn't get injured as children, are interested in playing, got the proper training, etc., etc. In Eve, all that goes belly-up. In 20M SP, there's absolutely no subcapital ship setup that you cannot be literally perfect at flying. In any given 0.0 alliance, anywhere from half to 90% of the alliance is over 20M SP, and of those, a significant proportion have specialized into their chosen ship classes. Putting together a team of world-class Ishtar pilots is possible from any reasonably-sized alliance, and their skills will be every bit as specialized as the same team from an enormous alliance; the enormous alliance will just have the luxury of not requiring alarm clocks or of having a large stable of backups in case an Internet connection goes wonky. The point of this wall of text is this--small alliances can be every bit as entertaining as large ones to those who aren't personally involved. Since EveTV and the Alliance Tournament is in no small part put on as a marketing exercise to people who've never played Eve, and as a means to encourage casual (read: Empire or de-subscribed, mostly) players to become more involved in the game, the target audience are people who have no idea who BoB are; they, like in the U.S. tuning in to a Brazil game, just want to see a good fight. Meanwhile, the strict meritocracy--You didn't do well last tournament? Stand in line like everybody else!--ensures that everyone who's fighting in this tournament had to really want it. Yes, it would have been more fun if some people who genuinely tried had gotten in, but you know someone who had waited up all night or called in sick to work just to hit that button must be prepared to put up a hell of a fight for that trophy, and at the end of the day, that's what we, viewers and CCP alike, want to see. I'm happy to see other metrics of merit used to find slots, much as performance in the last tournament and plexing by those involved in FW were used this time around, as long as the metrics are unambiguous and well-known. There's no point to saying, "BoB should get in because they're BoB." BoB gets in because of a massive number of 0.0 sov-level-4 systems, however? That's A-OK. Regardless of any questions about who is participating and who is not, let me just say that I hope the cardinal rule of Eve continues to hold true: Let he who can win, win. Good luck to all the competitors. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!
DHB WildCat coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:16:00 - [49] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:23:26 Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:19:12 I decided after looking at my post, this next statement says what I am getting at pretty well, rather than 1 page of text. I will wager any amount of isk, that more people will remember that Star Fraction beat BoB, over Hun Reloaded winning the tournament. That is why it matters! WildCat
Josiah Puff Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:29:00 - [50] I would just like to mention that no one gives a damn about your respect Wildcat, or the respect of the other pompous asses like you. 90% of people who watch the tournament will give props to the winners despite the lack of BOB and you are a fool to not do the same.
XxWhalexX Pandemic Execs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:33:00 - [51] I don't see the Tourney missing any big names this year, they are all here in some form. Unless, of course, you mean alliances with the most member count in game. I would call big alliances those that have competed well in previous tournaments.
Arial Katana	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:04:00 - [52] Not having the biggest alliances in this tournament made me not give a crap about it.
Vrikshaka 0ff-Peak Esoteric Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:56:00 - [53] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:23:26 Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:19:12 I decided after looking at my post, this next statement says what I am getting at pretty well, rather than 1 page of text. I will wager any amount of isk, that more people will remember that Star Fraction beat BoB, over Hun Reloaded winning the tournament. That is why it matters! WildCat LOL. People remember Star Fraction vs. BoB because Star Fraction used a 10 ing Thoraxes lineup! Not because it was big cheese vs. big cheese.
The Hardman Amarr Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:25:00 - [54] People remember Star Fraction versus Bob because Bob had never been beat before that (based on my memory). Since they had won every AT before that it was a big deal. Beating other major alliances, like AAA, isn't such a big deal because they hadn't been so dominant. Even PL, who are the favorites this time, wouldn't be such a big deal as beating Bob back then was, because they actually haven't won a tournament. The situation of Star Fraction beating Bob wasn't a big deal because it was Bob. It was a big deal because Bob had won the previous 4 ATs. Personally, with the current history, I wouldn't care at someone beating Bob anymore then I would care about someone beating any other elite alliance (like PL).
The Hardman Amarr Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:27:00 - [55] And actually I think less of Bob as an elite alliance. They aren't willing to go put themselves against other alliances for these tournaments because they are afraid they will get beaten. They want to stand on their record of winning every AT they entered but one. In another year or so, no one will care about that. It will be ancient history.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:58:00 - [56] previous three actually -_-
Vrikshaka 0ff-Peak Esoteric Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.01.26 06:32:00 - [57] Originally by: The Hardman People remember Star Fraction versus Bob because Bob had never been beat before that (based on my memory). Since they had won every AT before that it was a big deal. Beating other major alliances, like AAA, isn't such a big deal because they hadn't been so dominant. Even PL, who are the favorites this time, wouldn't be such a big deal as beating Bob back then was, because they actually haven't won a tournament. The situation of Star Fraction beating Bob wasn't a big deal because it was Bob. It was a big deal because Bob had won the previous 4 ATs. Personally, with the current history, I wouldn't care at someone beating Bob anymore then I would care about someone beating any other elite alliance (like PL). Ah, now that you mention it, I do recall what a big thing it was at the time that someone was able to beat BoB. But honestly, I had forgot that part. What I'll never forget is the ten thoraxes. It wasn't what - it was how.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:03:00 - [58] Quote: How much better is it for you to retain the recognition of being a "big powerhouse alliance" that simply didn't participate, than to participate and become the "big powerhouse alliance" that lost to some unknown alliance -- and branded an alliance that can blob well, but can't win in a fair fight. Ironically Privateers got in there and won quite well; despite often being accused of station hugging most of the time :) Quote: btw most big alliances aren't any more willing to spend tons of isk on something relatively frivolous like the tourney than small alliances are I really doubt this point tbh. In a normal day... any of these big alliances lose and kill lots of ships. Just reference their killboards. All that really happens is their pilots are pulled over to jove space to do the pew pew. Quote: they've never allowed faction/officer modules, and cosmos really didn't make much difference since they were either cheap or ridiculously annoying to acquire (but not that expensive if you could) Cosmos doesnt make sense to fit most of the time tbh. Much better off going with tech 2. I have a TON of cosmos bpcs I wont bother building just because of the lack of value. Quote: I was sure that previous to the 4th tournament, you could use faction modules. I remember how people were talking about how the playing field was being leveled (though much more so for the 5th tournament). If I'm wrong, then I've definately been mislead as to the details of previous tournaments. Rules of Alliance Tourny #2 Faction, deadspace and officer modules are not allowed The thing that has changed is the value of the ships. It has always been 100 points... But say in the 5th tourny. A t1 bs cost 26 points and now it costs 19. That's freeing up points for other ships to be upgraded or additional ships such as EAfrigs. Which makes things FUN. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
GeneralNukeEm Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:06:00 - [59] Edited by: GeneralNukeEm on 26/01/2009 07:07:27 Big alliances like BoB took place in the first three tournaments because the prizes were stupidly better compared to what they are now. The first two alliance tournaments yielded BoB 2 motherships when motherships were more rare than titans today. The third one got them eight unique battleships worth 80 billion isk each. If I was a big mega alliance back then with the cash floating around, I'd definitely risk losing a dozen CNR's in a tournament for a shot at getting a free mothership. Compare that to a few million loyalty points...big woop. Also keep in mind that, while faction/officer might never have been allowed, t2 was a much bigger deal in 2006 than today. 15 million isk each for a t2 gun and 250 million for a HAC, anybody? Faction ships too were more expensive. All of this at a time with less overall isk floating around. So yeah, the bar for entry definitely got lower as well.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I don't see what me being in a small alliance has to do with anything ;P Everyone in it except Chribba's alts are only in for the tournament, and personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. (as a team is another story) I dont think anyone is saying you dont deserve to be in the tournament. I think they are saying... or at least im saying is that there being caps on how many alliances are allowed to compete is silly. 1billion refunded after the event so as long as you arrive to your events; RL events within reason obviously. I would really have liked to see all the little alliances and the big alliances attend; and influential corps who might rent an alliance's spot in the sense. Could we have seen 200 or more... damn right; but you do the first qualifications 1 weekend. only gm's involved; no broadcasting, no special reports; they work out things like the ideal way of announcing the match and such. Would have made it much more fun; albeit an even bigger nightmare for the devs. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.

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