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Zoiewu	Posted - 2009.01.15 17:57:00 - [1] I know you don't need the Big alliances to make a good tourny, This year were missing BOB, AAA, TCF, RZR, RED, To name a few, These names we hear throughout the year and often have history or are at war with one another which added a little extra to those matches. They also gave the smaller and unknown alliances chance to go toe to toe with the Big alliances and test themselves, Have they chosen to focus on there wars or simply not wanting to invest the time and isk in setups and tactics?.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:07:00 - [2] Don't forget MM. For us, it was a simple mistake. We of course planned to enter, even signed up on time, but it didn't work out. I know RAZOR tried to get in too, so I think it was just bad luck that the major alliances didn't get in.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:49:00 - [3] i heard BoB was planning to compete but was too late (not sure if that means they actually applied or what) AAA tried but was a few minutes too late to get in RZR wanted in but got screwed by the bug dunno on tcf or red, suspect tcf wanted in
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:51:00 - [4] While there were some of the big alliances that didn't get in due to "technical difficulties" or under-estimating how quick the slots would fill, most of the big alliances simply didn't try to enter. My personal opinion on the matter is this: while winning the tournament (or performing quite well) will gain you positive recognition, losing or performing very poorly will also gain you recognision -- just not the type you want as a "big powerhouse alliance". How much better is it for you to retain the recognition of being a "big powerhouse alliance" that simply didn't participate, than to participate and become the "big powerhouse alliance" that lost to some unknown alliance -- and branded an alliance that can blob well, but can't win in a fair fight. I partially support my opinion based around the fact that the "big powerhouse alliances" have largely lost interest in the tournament since the changed the rules to prevent teams from "buying an advantage" (removal of pirate implant sets). My two cents. ________________________ No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:53:00 - [5] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 15/01/2009 18:56:32 actually most of the big alliances did try to get in and failed for one reason or another, so not sure where you're getting that claim from ;P btw most big alliances aren't any more willing to spend tons of isk on something relatively frivolous like the tourney than small alliances are and considering there's tons of people like myself (and in fact much much richer) around that could afford to singlehandedly fund a team's pirate implants and ships there's really not much difference in what a small alliance and a big one can afford, the expenses tend to land on individuals / team members anyway, not alliance funds
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:01:00 - [6] Originally by: QwaarJet Don't forget MM. For us, it was a simple mistake. We of course planned to enter, even signed up on time, but it didn't work out. I know RAZOR tried to get in too, so I think it was just bad luck that the major alliances didn't get in. QwaarJet, I'm still trying to figure out a way for you guys to be able to participate (maybe you can "pursued" one of the alliances that got in to let you take their place). Of the teams that didn't get in, I feel the most for you guys and STIM/UGH. I just happen to know that you and STIM/UGH (sorry, for the life of me I can remember your alliance name or ticker) put in a LOT of effort well prior to signups (probably even as much as us). I personally would have been devastated had we not gotten into the tournament (I'm really glad we had a reserved spot, though we still signed up when the signups opened). ________________________ No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
Captain Thunk Vale Tudo.	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:06:00 - [7] If the "big alliances" had finished higher in the 5th or 4th tournament then they would have had a reserved slot. As they didn't, they like any other alliance, had to go through the first come, first serve signup process. I'm beginning to wonder why people are so concerned "big alliances" aren't participating when they don't seem to do so well when they do, surely it's better to let other people use the slot and have a shot at the title? Captain Thunk
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 15/01/2009 18:56:32 actually most of the big alliances did try to get in and failed for one reason or another, so not sure where you're getting that claim from ;P btw most big alliances aren't any more willing to spend tons of isk on something relatively frivolous like the tourney than small alliances are and considering there's tons of people like myself (and in fact much much richer) around that could afford to singlehandedly fund a team's pirate implants and ships there's really not much difference in what a small alliance and a big one can afford, the expenses tend to land on individuals / team members anyway, not alliance funds I appoligize, I got the impression that most of the big alliances didn't bother to apply. I disagree with the funds though. That may be how it is playing out now, but in the past I know that many alliances were fronting the isk for the teams, part of the reason the alliance tournament (in my opinion) took a big jump in popularity (they used to have problems filling all the slots for the tournament) was due to the leveling of the playing field -- when they limited the modules to t1, named, and t2, and even further when they removed pirate implant sets.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:14:00 - [9] they've never allowed faction/officer modules, and cosmos really didn't make much difference since they were either cheap or ridiculously annoying to acquire (but not that expensive if you could) i'm starting to feel like there's some weird urban legend about the old days when you could simply buy victory by fitting all officer modules and using magical faery pirate implants -_- fact is you can probably spend just as much now on hardwirings as you could back then on pirate implants, and there's the additional expense of rigs you have now which you didn't back then, and more ships on the field..
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk they've never allowed faction/officer modules, and cosmos really didn't make much difference since they were either cheap or ridiculously annoying to acquire (but not that expensive if you could) i'm starting to feel like there's some weird urban legend about the old days when you could simply buy victory by fitting all officer modules and using magical faery pirate implants -_- fact is you can probably spend just as much now on hardwirings as you could back then on pirate implants, and there's the additional expense of rigs you have now which you didn't back then, and more ships on the field.. I was sure that previous to the 4th tournament, you could use faction modules. I remember how people were talking about how the playing field was being leveled (though much more so for the 5th tournament). If I'm wrong, then I've definately been mislead as to the details of previous tournaments.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.15 23:17:00 - [11] well i've competed in every single one so far hm wonder how many other people can say that, maybe tigertex ? only things that really changed expenses wise was removal of pirate implant sets, well and they made it kinda stupid to field faction battleships, whereas you were gimping your chances by not fielding them in the first two tourneys.. then they started allowing ecm/damps in i think the third ? and the shipnumbers allowed on team kept going up, started with 3 then 5 then plateued at 10
DHB WildCat coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:20:00 - [12] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 16/01/2009 03:22:23 First off, Im not mad about anything, and I understand how the process worked. I just wanted to say that.... The tournament to most I know is like the world cup for you soccer fans. Sorry Im American so if my analogy is off, forgive me. I would like to see Brazil (insert large alliance like -A-) vs France (next large alliance TCF). Not madagascar (insert 10 man alliance) vs. papa new gunea (Insert no name alliance). People want to see MM, BoB, -A-, Red, Razor, Iron, TCF, ect. I understand that it is first come first serve. But when you dont include the alliances that 90 percent of eve concider the best, since lets face it, they own 90 percent of 0.0 eve; you get less interest in the matches and the winners win is tainted. It is tainted because I and others will say, well yeah they won but BoB would have kicked their ass. My 2 cents. WildCat
XFreedomX	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:30:00 - [13] I think people want to see GOOD PVP Alliance in the tournament, not just BIG. I thought CCP tried to do this by reserving spots for past finalist. Just Big is not enough imo. Take Goonswarm for example, big but not good. Even they do not want to see themselves in the tournament (see thread where they are selling their spot). So, I am sad that Triumvirate and BOB are not in, but they chose not to. The other large Alliance, I couldn't care less.
Susan Kennedy Gallente Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:10:00 - [14] Edited by: Susan Kennedy on 16/01/2009 05:11:13 Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 16/01/2009 03:22:23 First off, Im not mad about anything, and I understand how the process worked. I just wanted to say that.... The tournament to most I know is like the world cup for you soccer fans. Sorry Im American so if my analogy is off, forgive me. I would like to see Brazil (insert large alliance like -A-) vs France (next large alliance TCF). Not madagascar (insert 10 man alliance) vs. papa new gunea (Insert no name alliance). People want to see MM, BoB, -A-, Red, Razor, Iron, TCF, ect. I understand that it is first come first serve. But when you dont include the alliances that 90 percent of eve concider the best, since lets face it, they own 90 percent of 0.0 eve; you get less interest in the matches and the winners win is tainted. It is tainted because I and others will say, well yeah they won but BoB would have kicked their ass. My 2 cents. WildCat Your withdrawal from the competition (if you wish to continue the world cup analogy) would be aking to England not deigning to appear in the first three world cups because they believed they were to good, and didnt want to sully themselves playing lesser teams. Of course, when they eventualy did join, they had pretty dire results (1966 non withstanding). I would suggest it would appear to watchers that your withdrawal from the tourney was possibly more through fear of being defeated by a "unknown empire noob corp" and an ego that felt slighted by other big alliances not participating. Perhaps this is unfair, but its how it appears. Perhaps you dont care how it appears but the only taint so far received in this tournament, is on yourself and your allaince. And this taint will carry on you for the rest of your days
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Mes Ren Originally by: QwaarJet Don't forget MM. For us, it was a simple mistake. We of course planned to enter, even signed up on time, but it didn't work out. I know RAZOR tried to get in too, so I think it was just bad luck that the major alliances didn't get in. QwaarJet, I'm still trying to figure out a way for you guys to be able to participate (maybe you can "pursued" one of the alliances that got in to let you take their place). Of the teams that didn't get in, I feel the most for you guys and STIM/UGH. I just happen to know that you and STIM/UGH (sorry, for the life of me I can remember your alliance name or ticker) put in a LOT of effort well prior to signups (probably even as much as us). I personally would have been devastated had we not gotten into the tournament (I'm really glad we had a reserved spot, though we still signed up when the signups opened). Thanks for that, but I really can't see us getting in now...I'm only in charge of the team, apart from that I'm just an alliance grunt, so I don't really have much of a say in alternate methods of getting in. If I was rich myself, I would just throw huge amounts (man city huge amounts) of money at a team to get their place, as it feels utterly terrible that I'll only be watching this time.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.16 06:04:00 - [16] so get some backing and buy the goon spot, altho not really much time to prepare strats / organize a team :D
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk well i've competed in every single one so far hm wonder how many other people can say that, maybe tigertex ? only things that really changed expenses wise was removal of pirate implant sets, well and they made it kinda stupid to field faction battleships, whereas you were gimping your chances by not fielding them in the first two tourneys.. then they started allowing ecm/damps in i think the third ? and the shipnumbers allowed on team kept going up, started with 3 then 5 then plateued at 10 tigertex wasn't in the first tournament. atuk team in 1st was me, fisho, and comitatus (bos) ---
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Mes Ren Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk they've never allowed faction/officer modules, and cosmos really didn't make much difference since they were either cheap or ridiculously annoying to acquire (but not that expensive if you could) i'm starting to feel like there's some weird urban legend about the old days when you could simply buy victory by fitting all officer modules and using magical faery pirate implants -_- fact is you can probably spend just as much now on hardwirings as you could back then on pirate implants, and there's the additional expense of rigs you have now which you didn't back then, and more ships on the field.. I was sure that previous to the 4th tournament, you could use faction modules. I remember how people were talking about how the playing field was being leveled (though much more so for the 5th tournament). If I'm wrong, then I've definately been mislead as to the details of previous tournaments. wrong. newbie. ---
Flashh Gorden Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:52:00 - [19] Theres alot more to EVE than large 00 entities. There are thousands of highly skilled players all over empire that would more than hold there own in a non cap gang fight with any of the so called big alliances. People want to see innovation and clever tactics on an even playing surface it does not matter who the pilots fly for. This is about skill and quility not size and numbers.
Mes Ren No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: Mes Ren Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk they've never allowed faction/officer modules, and cosmos really didn't make much difference since they were either cheap or ridiculously annoying to acquire (but not that expensive if you could) i'm starting to feel like there's some weird urban legend about the old days when you could simply buy victory by fitting all officer modules and using magical faery pirate implants -_- fact is you can probably spend just as much now on hardwirings as you could back then on pirate implants, and there's the additional expense of rigs you have now which you didn't back then, and more ships on the field.. I was sure that previous to the 4th tournament, you could use faction modules. I remember how people were talking about how the playing field was being leveled (though much more so for the 5th tournament). If I'm wrong, then I've definately been mislead as to the details of previous tournaments. wrong. newbie. Oh no, you got me there ... put me in my place. See you on the field... oh wait....
Haldane Fisher Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.17 08:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Flashh Gorden Theres alot more to EVE than large 00 entities. There are thousands of highly skilled players all over empire that would more than hold there own in a non cap gang fight with any of the so called big alliances. People want to see innovation and clever tactics on an even playing surface it does not matter who the pilots fly for. This is about skill and quility not size and numbers. So what? There are alot of talented footballers playing on ****e useless teams, but who wants to see them? (aside from the small number of people who actually know them. They are likely bears and know nothing of pvp and will watch only for pretty explosions) Point is everyone knows Bob & the rest and everyone has an opinion be it love or hate. Nobody knows Roid Miners With Attitude and their 8 man pvp wing, nobody cares. There's a reason why the first matches aren't going out live and that's because its a waste of effort. "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Draekas Darkwater Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2009.01.17 14:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Flashh Gorden Theres alot more to EVE than large 00 entities. There are thousands of highly skilled players all over empire that would more than hold there own in a non cap gang fight with any of the so called big alliances. People want to see innovation and clever tactics on an even playing surface it does not matter who the pilots fly for. This is about skill and quility not size and numbers. Yeah, but that's only half of it. When it comes down to it, the tournament's main focus is on entertainment. The rules, format, setting, expert selection, ect ect, are all made with that foremost in mind. If a fight is good, regardless of who's involved, then it is entertaining regardless. But drama is also entertaining all on its own. As a result of EVE's unique single server nature, personalities (individual and group) have grown over time which by thier very nature evoke drama. For this reason, I find it alot more entertaining a least having all the big alliances in the tourney. Heck, I would even remove some of the matchup randomness and intentionally pitch some enemies against each other. It should be general policy that Eddz should be forced to commentate (with another one to pick up the slack when he can't watch), because its just damn entertaining to watch him sweat it out each time since you can tell he really cares about it. Take a great fight between two little known entities in the tourney, and its still a great fight and fun to watch. Take the same great fight but between two rivals with long histories between them, and it becomes epic. Not just in EVE, but in any sport. Russia vs Canada in hockey, Brazil vs Argentina in soccer, GSP vs BJ Penn on the 31st in the UFC (I hope its good anyway), ect. Why in boxing has there been such a huge focus on the heavyweight division, rather than the lighter divisions that seem to have alot better and more tactical fights in them? The audience just likes to watch the big boys slug it out at the end.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:58:00 - [23] Originally by: DHB WildCat First off, Im not mad about anything, and I understand how the process worked. I just wanted to say that.... The tournament to most I know is like the world cup for you soccer fans. Sorry Im American so if my analogy is off, forgive me. I would like to see Brazil (insert large alliance like -A-) vs France (next large alliance TCF). Not madagascar (insert 10 man alliance) vs. papa new gunea (Insert no name alliance). People want to see MM, BoB, -A-, Red, Razor, Iron, TCF, ect. I understand that it is first come first serve. But when you dont include the alliances that 90 percent of eve concider the best, since lets face it, they own 90 percent of 0.0 eve; you get less interest in the matches and the winners win is tainted. It is tainted because I and others will say, well yeah they won but BoB would have kicked their ass. My 2 cents. WildCat I signed us up around 2 and a half hours after signups were opened. I payed the entry fee, and we are in. I'm sorry, but knowing the signup date weeks in advance.... Why did the big alliances not bother to simply sign up on time? "Being at work" is no real excuse imho, given the time that the signup was announced in advance, aswell as simply letting someone else do it who was able to boot up a browser and do the signup - You know what i mean with this. They could have signed up. Yet they didn't. They got their wish with letting in past winners automatically, and even now there's whining. Also, personally i'd rather give the spots to people who make the effort to sign up on time, than people who expect a free ride everywhere they go. EVE History Wiki
Webb Mordock GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Kayosoni wrong. newbie. Kayosoni, you're cute :)
RisingDragon	Posted - 2009.01.19 13:44:00 - [25] Why would bob enter, 10 man gang max, no lag, no capital blobs... they wouldnt have a clue what was going on! But more seriously, big alliances arent necessarily good, you'd probably find some small close knit pvp corps could wipe the floor with most of the entrants. The big names just build up hype and create interest but its always more fun watching an unknown small alliance anihilate a big name.
Sasuage Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:01:00 - [26] Edited by: Sasuage on 19/01/2009 14:01:38 I want to see spaceships blow up.
DJTheBaron Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:03:00 - [27] Originally by: RisingDragon Why would bob enter, 10 man gang max, no lag, no capital blobs... they wouldnt have a clue what was going on! Regarding the BOB HATE band wagon. Last night i believe we had 250 people in sub capitals defending pos with maybe 100 exe vs 60+ caps 7-8 titians, and its been like that almost every night last week. So just because we fight in laggy systems featuring capital blobs, that doesnt mean theyre ours. As The alliance that won tournaments 1, 2 & 3, BOB would obviously have no idea how to field a team this year you say? I Disagree. Enjoy my commentary over the next 3 weekends good sir, it will be full of real life internet spaceship facts such as these.
Haldane Fisher Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.21 04:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Haldane Fisher on 21/01/2009 04:41:14 Originally by: RisingDragon Why would bob enter, 10 man gang max, no lag, no capital blobs... they wouldnt have a clue what was going on! But more seriously, big alliances arent necessarily good, you'd probably find some small close knit pvp corps could wipe the floor with most of the entrants. The big names just build up hype and create interest but its always more fun watching an unknown small alliance anihilate a big name. If you had bothered to watch the old tournaments you'd realise how silly you look. Nebula Rasa earned respect for consistently bringing it, certainly not because they are a pvp powerhouse, but because they have played with each other for a long long time which is essential for success in a tournament team. There is a certain pedigree with the old bob, five, Nebula Rasa, IAC (or w/e alliance TT happens to be in at the time) which these ****ant little micro alliances lack. It could be argued that the tournament has been neutered to allow these puny alliances a chance, the result is rock, paper,scissors or at best boring turtle matches. "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Charlie Luciano The Administration Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Haldane Fisher Edited by: Haldane Fisher on 21/01/2009 04:41:14 Originally by: RisingDragon Why would bob enter, 10 man gang max, no lag, no capital blobs... they wouldnt have a clue what was going on! But more seriously, big alliances arent necessarily good, you'd probably find some small close knit pvp corps could wipe the floor with most of the entrants. The big names just build up hype and create interest but its always more fun watching an unknown small alliance anihilate a big name. If you had bothered to watch the old tournaments you'd realise how silly you look. Nebula Rasa earned respect for consistently bringing it, certainly not because they are a pvp powerhouse, but because they have played with each other for a long long time which is essential for success in a tournament team. There is a certain pedigree with the old bob, five, Nebula Rasa, IAC (or w/e alliance TT happens to be in at the time) which these ****ant little micro alliances lack. It could be argued that the tournament has been neutered to allow these puny alliances a chance, the result is rock, paper,scissors or at best boring turtle matches. If you had bothered to watch the old tournaments you'd realise how silly you look. See what I did there? To actually claim that the smaller (or puny in your words) alliances are the cause for a deterioration of the alliance tournament is a joke at best. If you had actually checked the older alliance tournaments you would have realised that big 0.0 alliances have fielded these boring turtle setups just as much as everyone else if they weren't the ones to introduce them in the first place. Yes - some of the older, more established alliances may add some out-of-tournament-drama et al, but to actually claim that they're more skilled than smaller alliances is plain stupid. In the end as has been stated over and over - while the ego of some of the larger 0.0 alliances take up most of the space on CAOD, it should not mean that they should receive preferential treatment in an alliance tournament. If their ego does not allow them to prepare for something as simple as signing up at a time and date specified weeks in advance - good riddance.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:04:00 - [30] The way I see it their ego or whatever is completely irrelevant, it's a question of what's best for the tournament and what's going to provide the most interesting / entertaining show. Personally I consider that a lot more important than being fair to everyone, also on average large alliances ARE more skilled than small ones, simply because they have a larger pool of talent to choose from and often have more experience and commitment, not just "THOUGHT WE'D THROW OUR HATS IN FOR SOME FUN, WE KNOW WE'LL LOSE HORRIBLY BUT WHATEVER LOL" I really wish CCP could just be like "this team's out, that team's in just because we think it'd be a better show" but alas it's not going to happen ;[ PS; all that said I do believe tourney's consistently improved every single time from the previous one and I fully expect this one to be no exception
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk The way I see it their ego or whatever is completely irrelevant, it's a question of what's best for the tournament and what's going to provide the most interesting / entertaining show. Personally I consider that a lot more important than being fair to everyone, also on average large alliances ARE more skilled than small ones, simply because they have a larger pool of talent to choose from and often have more experience and commitment, not just "THOUGHT WE'D THROW OUR HATS IN FOR SOME FUN, WE KNOW WE'LL LOSE HORRIBLY BUT WHATEVER LOL" I really wish CCP could just be like "this team's out, that team's in just because we think it'd be a better show" but alas it's not going to happen ;[ PS; all that said I do believe tourney's consistently improved every single time from the previous one and I fully expect this one to be no exception The big alliances had every oppurtunity to get in, as everyone else. Your in a small alliance in the tournament. And as the guy from Cosa Nostra said, last year it was the big alliance that brought truley boring setups. I'd much rather see an interesting fight between two unknowns than a boring one between two large alliances.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:46:00 - [32] You two saying large alliances had boring setups doesn't make it true, and I haven't seen any examples to back your point. Maybe you just don't remember the boring setups unknowns fielded because nobody cared about those matches ? I don't see what me being in a small alliance has to do with anything ;P Everyone in it except Chribba's alts are only in for the tournament, and personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. (as a team is another story) I'm all for some unknowns being in, but as others have said you need the big famous teams for them to topple, more of those in the better. Anyways just my opinion that making things fair for everyone shouldn't be as high a priority as putting on a good show.
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I don't see what me being in a small alliance has to do with anything ;P Everyone in it except Chribba's alts are only in for the tournament, and personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. I feel the same way, this alliance was set up soley for the tourney. We don't deserve to be in it as much as some of the big names do. But they had thier chance to register, if they wanted in as badly as everyone else, they'd have one of thier hundreds of members waiting to sign them up. I was watching last years previous tournament yesterday and saw some pretty boring dual logistic set ups from numerous large alliances. Nothing quite as epic as mass moas.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. ISSUE - Bring back live events
Charlie Luciano The Administration Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. This. And in regards to examples of boring setups (keep in mind this is going with the idea of Haldane Fisher that dual logi teams were boring) - I seem to recall Triumvirate, The Five, Morsus Mihi, PL, Atlas, Ev0ke and hell even IAC fielded dual logi teams at some point in the tourney... _____________________________ A Parola d'onuri vali sangu
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:30:00 - [36] yeah but the BLASTER MOAS made our setup not boring despite dual basilisk ;d and the phantasms the second time we tried that
Haldane Fisher Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Charlie Luciano Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. This. And in regards to examples of boring setups (keep in mind this is going with the idea of Haldane Fisher that dual logi teams were boring) - I seem to recall Triumvirate, The Five, Morsus Mihi, PL, Atlas, Ev0ke and hell even IAC fielded dual logi teams at some point in the tourney... Have you read anything I've said or just picked out bits here and there so you could keep frothing at the mouth? The current tournament rules encourage turtle or rock,paper, scissors. Old setup imo had more to do with pilot/teamplay skill than this one, which is more about pot luck. "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Charlie Luciano The Administration Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk yeah but the BLASTER MOAS made our setup not boring despite dual basilisk ;d and the phantasms the second time we tried that I never said dual logi setups were boring - Haldane Fisher said After all we fielded dual logis in 4 out 5 matches in Tourney V and I do think we had some pretty interesting fights _____________________________ A Parola d'onuri vali sangu
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ... personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. If six years playing this game has taught me anything its that the word deserve has absolutely no place in the Eve universe. I would like to see them in to see them lose. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.22 06:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk yeah but the BLASTER MOAS made our setup not boring despite dual basilisk ;d and the phantasms the second time we tried that Non-boring Blaster Moa setup: Notoriety Alliance VS Synchr0nicity And well, don't even need to mention phantasms...
Susan Kennedy Gallente Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.22 10:30:00 - [41] Edited by: Susan Kennedy on 22/01/2009 10:35:35 Edited by: Susan Kennedy on 22/01/2009 10:32:44 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I really wish CCP could just be like "this team's out, that team's in just because we think it'd be a better show" but alas it's not going to happen ;[ Yes - Lets give CCP more opportunity to demonstrate personal bias!! I understand your points but its done now. Any of the alliances whos executor could be bothered to get out of bed got it. Those whos executor was twiddling his fingers, snoozing, or playing guitar hero didnt. Those whos executor was in hospital/work/school need to smack down their moaning members who need to realise its just a game and the executors RL commitments come first over their emorage. BTW I need someone to sit in on a high isk value transfer (details will be sent) and I cant get hold of Chribba. I assume you wouldnt be in his alliance if you were not trustworthy - would you be prepared to sit in on it for me? I wouldnt ask but it needs to be done rapidly. KENNEDY
Hamish Minmatar Tribal Trust of Pator Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:13:00 - [42] Edited by: Hamish on 22/01/2009 11:14:57 nvm The Hamish Saga
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Susan Kennedy BTW I need someone to sit in on a high isk value transfer (details will be sent) and I cant get hold of Chribba. I assume you wouldnt be in his alliance if you were not trustworthy - would you be prepared to sit in on it for me? I wouldnt ask but it needs to be done rapidly. Well you know what they say about assumptions Maybe you should google my corp name ?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.01.22 12:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Susan Kennedy BTW I need someone to sit in on a high isk value transfer (details will be sent) and I cant get hold of Chribba. I assume you wouldnt be in his alliance if you were not trustworthy - would you be prepared to sit in on it for me? I wouldnt ask but it needs to be done rapidly. Well you know what they say about assumptions Maybe you should google my corp name ? lol Altho... he's not in my alliance... he's in my alt alliance, which states, Also renting out slots for the PVP Tournament. Anything happening outside myself (or my specificed alts in my bio) is out of my control. Secure 3rd party service

Susan Kennedy Gallente Eddie Murphy Appreciation Society Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:19:00 - [45] It twere a joke. KENNEDY
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.23 06:38:00 - [46] I like to have the big alliances in the tournament because I find it fun to cheer for my alliance/my alliances allies, or to watch our enemies matches and hope they loose (even though some of them have done quite well in the passed :P ). Sure small alliances have some very skilled pilots and still produce interesting matches. But it's not the same when you don't know who to cheer for. Basically I'm saying that I agree with that first football/soccer analogy that was given about Brazil vs France compared to Madagaskar vs papua new guinea
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:17:00 - [47] 2pages, but back to Wildcat's point since he's got one I think. Regardless of TRI's decision to drop out or what have the point I wanted to try re rail the thread on. Is yes Big Names in the tourney is a good thing. Especially because it adds a big boost to the small alliance teams that are dreaming of ascending to the top. The missing factor of the big names in this one will diminish the title regardless. Any champion will constantly be bashed on the sidelines because they didn't have to fight <insert name here> or they would have lost to <insert name here> Of course there is always additional speculation on the subject of what if's, shoulda's, woulda's and coulda's... but there will be a taint on this trophy due to many of the big names not being present. However I still hold my position that any alliance given the drive and resources should be allowed a fair chance to compete. Many of the tournaments have had a fair share of Comedy Alliances. But now that the participation enthusiasm I think this swiss system for tourney VII will need to include more slots and perhaps three initial rounds to get to the final bracket, thus allowing more teams into the tourney and a few fights to prove they belong there. And keeping ample slots for the big names to get in as well. Again AT V was the first that bob did not participate in (i think) many other big names did, but most of the mainstays of the finals were small pvp/pirate/npc0.0 alliances, and if I know anything I would say that even with Dual Logistics Setups AT V was a great tournament with a badass final. Just my thoughts, Tyraxx you of course have valid points in it all, but I'm afraid I still look from the david perspective of David and Goliath. GL to all the teams, fly safish gotta go to work... --McFly--
Pilk Blade.	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:54:00 - [48] Those making the "Papua New Guinea vs. Madagascar" references need to realize that the fundamental assumptions are flawed. In particular, a big part of the reason why nobody in the U.S. tunes into PNG vs. Madagascar is because they know the play isn't going to be exciting, whereas they'll watch Brazil vs. Argentina even if they have no idea who's playing, because if they so much as glance at the TV for a few moments they'll see world-class athletes trying their hardest. In RL, it takes a complicated and extensive network to hone the skills of the very, very tiny portion of your population who are going to have some of the essential baseline skills to become world-class soccer players. In a nation as small as Madagascar, perhaps ten are born per generation, of whom only one will ever become a professional soccer player. In Brazil, on the other hand, hundred if not thousands of potential world-class players are available, and you can easily fill a team with those who didn't get injured as children, are interested in playing, got the proper training, etc., etc. In Eve, all that goes belly-up. In 20M SP, there's absolutely no subcapital ship setup that you cannot be literally perfect at flying. In any given 0.0 alliance, anywhere from half to 90% of the alliance is over 20M SP, and of those, a significant proportion have specialized into their chosen ship classes. Putting together a team of world-class Ishtar pilots is possible from any reasonably-sized alliance, and their skills will be every bit as specialized as the same team from an enormous alliance; the enormous alliance will just have the luxury of not requiring alarm clocks or of having a large stable of backups in case an Internet connection goes wonky. The point of this wall of text is this--small alliances can be every bit as entertaining as large ones to those who aren't personally involved. Since EveTV and the Alliance Tournament is in no small part put on as a marketing exercise to people who've never played Eve, and as a means to encourage casual (read: Empire or de-subscribed, mostly) players to become more involved in the game, the target audience are people who have no idea who BoB are; they, like in the U.S. tuning in to a Brazil game, just want to see a good fight. Meanwhile, the strict meritocracy--You didn't do well last tournament? Stand in line like everybody else!--ensures that everyone who's fighting in this tournament had to really want it. Yes, it would have been more fun if some people who genuinely tried had gotten in, but you know someone who had waited up all night or called in sick to work just to hit that button must be prepared to put up a hell of a fight for that trophy, and at the end of the day, that's what we, viewers and CCP alike, want to see. I'm happy to see other metrics of merit used to find slots, much as performance in the last tournament and plexing by those involved in FW were used this time around, as long as the metrics are unambiguous and well-known. There's no point to saying, "BoB should get in because they're BoB." BoB gets in because of a massive number of 0.0 sov-level-4 systems, however? That's A-OK. Regardless of any questions about who is participating and who is not, let me just say that I hope the cardinal rule of Eve continues to hold true: Let he who can win, win. Good luck to all the competitors. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!
DHB WildCat coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:16:00 - [49] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:23:26 Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:19:12 I decided after looking at my post, this next statement says what I am getting at pretty well, rather than 1 page of text. I will wager any amount of isk, that more people will remember that Star Fraction beat BoB, over Hun Reloaded winning the tournament. That is why it matters! WildCat
Josiah Puff Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:29:00 - [50] I would just like to mention that no one gives a damn about your respect Wildcat, or the respect of the other pompous asses like you. 90% of people who watch the tournament will give props to the winners despite the lack of BOB and you are a fool to not do the same.
XxWhalexX Pandemic Execs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:33:00 - [51] I don't see the Tourney missing any big names this year, they are all here in some form. Unless, of course, you mean alliances with the most member count in game. I would call big alliances those that have competed well in previous tournaments.
Arial Katana	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:04:00 - [52] Not having the biggest alliances in this tournament made me not give a crap about it.
Vrikshaka 0ff-Peak Esoteric Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:56:00 - [53] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:23:26 Edited by: DHB WildCat on 26/01/2009 03:19:12 I decided after looking at my post, this next statement says what I am getting at pretty well, rather than 1 page of text. I will wager any amount of isk, that more people will remember that Star Fraction beat BoB, over Hun Reloaded winning the tournament. That is why it matters! WildCat LOL. People remember Star Fraction vs. BoB because Star Fraction used a 10 ing Thoraxes lineup! Not because it was big cheese vs. big cheese.
The Hardman Amarr Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:25:00 - [54] People remember Star Fraction versus Bob because Bob had never been beat before that (based on my memory). Since they had won every AT before that it was a big deal. Beating other major alliances, like AAA, isn't such a big deal because they hadn't been so dominant. Even PL, who are the favorites this time, wouldn't be such a big deal as beating Bob back then was, because they actually haven't won a tournament. The situation of Star Fraction beating Bob wasn't a big deal because it was Bob. It was a big deal because Bob had won the previous 4 ATs. Personally, with the current history, I wouldn't care at someone beating Bob anymore then I would care about someone beating any other elite alliance (like PL).
The Hardman Amarr Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:27:00 - [55] And actually I think less of Bob as an elite alliance. They aren't willing to go put themselves against other alliances for these tournaments because they are afraid they will get beaten. They want to stand on their record of winning every AT they entered but one. In another year or so, no one will care about that. It will be ancient history.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:58:00 - [56] previous three actually -_-
Vrikshaka 0ff-Peak Esoteric Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.01.26 06:32:00 - [57] Originally by: The Hardman People remember Star Fraction versus Bob because Bob had never been beat before that (based on my memory). Since they had won every AT before that it was a big deal. Beating other major alliances, like AAA, isn't such a big deal because they hadn't been so dominant. Even PL, who are the favorites this time, wouldn't be such a big deal as beating Bob back then was, because they actually haven't won a tournament. The situation of Star Fraction beating Bob wasn't a big deal because it was Bob. It was a big deal because Bob had won the previous 4 ATs. Personally, with the current history, I wouldn't care at someone beating Bob anymore then I would care about someone beating any other elite alliance (like PL). Ah, now that you mention it, I do recall what a big thing it was at the time that someone was able to beat BoB. But honestly, I had forgot that part. What I'll never forget is the ten thoraxes. It wasn't what - it was how.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:03:00 - [58] Quote: How much better is it for you to retain the recognition of being a "big powerhouse alliance" that simply didn't participate, than to participate and become the "big powerhouse alliance" that lost to some unknown alliance -- and branded an alliance that can blob well, but can't win in a fair fight. Ironically Privateers got in there and won quite well; despite often being accused of station hugging most of the time :) Quote: btw most big alliances aren't any more willing to spend tons of isk on something relatively frivolous like the tourney than small alliances are I really doubt this point tbh. In a normal day... any of these big alliances lose and kill lots of ships. Just reference their killboards. All that really happens is their pilots are pulled over to jove space to do the pew pew. Quote: they've never allowed faction/officer modules, and cosmos really didn't make much difference since they were either cheap or ridiculously annoying to acquire (but not that expensive if you could) Cosmos doesnt make sense to fit most of the time tbh. Much better off going with tech 2. I have a TON of cosmos bpcs I wont bother building just because of the lack of value. Quote: I was sure that previous to the 4th tournament, you could use faction modules. I remember how people were talking about how the playing field was being leveled (though much more so for the 5th tournament). If I'm wrong, then I've definately been mislead as to the details of previous tournaments. Rules of Alliance Tourny #2 Faction, deadspace and officer modules are not allowed The thing that has changed is the value of the ships. It has always been 100 points... But say in the 5th tourny. A t1 bs cost 26 points and now it costs 19. That's freeing up points for other ships to be upgraded or additional ships such as EAfrigs. Which makes things FUN. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
GeneralNukeEm Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:06:00 - [59] Edited by: GeneralNukeEm on 26/01/2009 07:07:27 Big alliances like BoB took place in the first three tournaments because the prizes were stupidly better compared to what they are now. The first two alliance tournaments yielded BoB 2 motherships when motherships were more rare than titans today. The third one got them eight unique battleships worth 80 billion isk each. If I was a big mega alliance back then with the cash floating around, I'd definitely risk losing a dozen CNR's in a tournament for a shot at getting a free mothership. Compare that to a few million loyalty points...big woop. Also keep in mind that, while faction/officer might never have been allowed, t2 was a much bigger deal in 2006 than today. 15 million isk each for a t2 gun and 250 million for a HAC, anybody? Faction ships too were more expensive. All of this at a time with less overall isk floating around. So yeah, the bar for entry definitely got lower as well.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I don't see what me being in a small alliance has to do with anything ;P Everyone in it except Chribba's alts are only in for the tournament, and personally I don't feel we (as an alliance) deserve to be in the tournament as much as -A-, BoB, MM, PL or goonswarm do. (as a team is another story) I dont think anyone is saying you dont deserve to be in the tournament. I think they are saying... or at least im saying is that there being caps on how many alliances are allowed to compete is silly. 1billion refunded after the event so as long as you arrive to your events; RL events within reason obviously. I would really have liked to see all the little alliances and the big alliances attend; and influential corps who might rent an alliance's spot in the sense. Could we have seen 200 or more... damn right; but you do the first qualifications 1 weekend. only gm's involved; no broadcasting, no special reports; they work out things like the ideal way of announcing the match and such. Would have made it much more fun; albeit an even bigger nightmare for the devs. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:19:00 - [61] Originally by: GeneralNukeEm Also keep in mind that, while faction/officer might never have been allowed, t2 was a much bigger deal in 2006 than today. 15 million isk each for a t2 gun and 250 million for a HAC, anybody? Faction ships too were more expensive. All of this at a time with less overall isk floating around. So yeah, the bar for entry definitely got lower as well. This is true. I would have liked the allowance of >meta5 but at a cost of points. Want to use an estamel's invuln(meta14) on your nighthawk setup? There goes 14 points. 14 points that could cost you the round.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.26 09:47:00 - [62] I really wanted to see AAA, RED, MM, Razor, and many many other names famous in eve 0.0 politics. I was shocked to see random and young alliances with weird names like Chubba Chupps, Honda Accord, Gay4Life... Nothing wrong with the alliances, but the show would be much better if there were prepared and mature teams, with eve throughout recognition, supporters and enemies. There would be something to support... In some cases both commentators and audience could not predict the outcome of the match due to lack of awareness of the participants background
Fried Interface	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:06:00 - [63] All this blah blah about "The show would be better if [Big Alliance] was here." is a bunch of hot air. I for one know of a few pilots from those "Big Alliances" that ARE involved in the tournament, even though they aren't flying under their "Big Alliance" flag for it. And who's to say that "Big Chief CEO of [Big Well Known Alliance]" can't step out with a few of his closest friends and tightest group of pilots and form a new [No Name] - [Who The *** Are They*?] Alliance and compete? When it all boils down, especially with AT VI, the big show catcher IMO is what and how the teams bring it to get the job done, not who the teams are. Two days of awesomesauce so far. Keep the good fights coming.
Leviathan Tank	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:42:00 - [64] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 16/01/2009 03:22:23 Not madagascar (insert 10 man alliance) vs. papa new gunea (Insert no name alliance). People want to see MM, BoB, -A-, Red, Razor, Iron, TCF, ect. Here Here!

CCP Claw	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:46:00 - [65] The best part of this thread to me is that people are upset at not seeing so many 'big alliances' in when most of them didn't even try to sign up :)

sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:53:00 - [66] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 26/01/2009 10:53:26 Originally by: QwaarJet Originally by: Mes Ren Originally by: QwaarJet Don't forget MM. For us, it was a simple mistake. We of course planned to enter, even signed up on time, but it didn't work out. I know RAZOR tried to get in too, so I think it was just bad luck that the major alliances didn't get in. QwaarJet, I'm still trying to figure out a way for you guys to be able to participate (maybe you can "pursued" one of the alliances that got in to let you take their place). Of the teams that didn't get in, I feel the most for you guys and STIM/UGH. I just happen to know that you and STIM/UGH (sorry, for the life of me I can remember your alliance name or ticker) put in a LOT of effort well prior to signups (probably even as much as us). I personally would have been devastated had we not gotten into the tournament (I'm really glad we had a reserved spot, though we still signed up when the signups opened). Thanks for that, but I really can't see us getting in now...I'm only in charge of the team, apart from that I'm just an alliance grunt, so I don't really have much of a say in alternate methods of getting in. If I was rich myself, I would just throw huge amounts (man city huge amounts) of money at a team to get their place, as it feels utterly terrible that I'll only be watching this time. verry disapointed and sad to see that you didnt make it. ik know that you realy want to get in. this year it realy shows how many small alliances there are that wane give it a go. the Kadeshi is also a small alliance and we ride on the luck that we scored high previous tournament. but for a while it was not sure if we made it this year. i hope they rethink this hole selection methode next year and make it posible for the rich alliances to get in. you might say that is unfair for the small and poor alliances but if a alliance can not field a good setup where isk is not a isue and go out for there best then they should not field at all.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:59:00 - [67] Cheers sliver.
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.01.26 11:11:00 - [68] Originally by: QwaarJet Cheers sliver. if there are any alliances out there that wane trade in there spot for isk contact me or Qwaarjet.

CCP Mindstar	Posted - 2009.01.26 11:24:00 - [69] Originally by: sliver 0xD Originally by: QwaarJet Cheers sliver. if there are any alliances out there that wane trade in there spot for isk contact me or Qwaarjet. No trading of spots will be allowed, as the tournament is underway already. If you wish to pull out or give your spot to someone else, they will need to have their team join your alliance and compete as members.

Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.01.26 11:39:00 - [70] I don't believe for a second that the early tournamants were played for the value of the prizes (regardless of comparative value of todays prizes). The ships and setups of the first 3 tournaments were insanely expensive. Later tournaments allowed for much cheaper setups to be competetive. Plus almost everything in market has become cheaper since then. Not to forget that in the olden days plenty of faction hulls got used while most of the modern setups can be self-produced at cost. I don't know why several big alliances didn't bother to apply - but I wouldn't think the prizes are the explanation in most cases (at least not the monetary value of them). --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.01.26 12:15:00 - [71] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 26/01/2009 12:17:52 Originally by: CCP Mindstar Originally by: sliver 0xD Originally by: QwaarJet Cheers sliver. if there are any alliances out there that wane trade in there spot for isk contact me or Qwaarjet. No trading of spots will be allowed, as the tournament is underway already. If you wish to pull out or give your spot to someone else, they will need to have their team join your alliance and compete as members. i know. i would invite quarjet but that would only be a illusion becouse my alliance has a name to hold up and already has many players lined up and iam not even sure if i myself is gone be in next fight. but if a alliance wants to drop out its only beter for CCP to get a big alliance in there that can put up a nice show. and remember this the eve-online alliance tournament. it represents the best of the best in eve. and i wane fight the best of the best. so if someone wants to trade spots iam willing to compensate with isk to give MM a chance becouse i know they are worth it. and iam sure we can arange something with CCP. but lets start with someone who wants to trade places. and u think its nuts that someone drops but it has happend a few times that players field crap becosue they just want there fee back.
veldspar rockstar	Posted - 2009.01.26 12:46:00 - [72] Originally by: Opertone I really wanted to see AAA, RED, MM, Razor, and many many other names famous in eve 0.0 politics. Why on earth would anybody want to watch RZR PvP?
StevieSG	Posted - 2009.01.26 12:55:00 - [73] The idea of a supposed... "dream team" is quite exciting :) http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.26 12:56:00 - [74] Edited by: ry ry on 26/01/2009 13:00:25 Originally by: StevieSG The idea of a supposed... "dream team" is quite exciting :) didn't you do that last time and get ****ed by the devs? ;) an enterprising individual could probably assemble a team of very, very good players, find corporate isk-sponsorship, pay the pilots for their trouble and stick themselves in chribba's alt-corp for an air of respectability/neutrality for the next tourney.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.26 14:31:00 - [75] hm something about that sounds familiar
GeneralNukeEm Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.26 16:03:00 - [76] Edited by: GeneralNukeEm on 26/01/2009 16:04:44 Originally by: Glengrant I don't believe for a second that the early tournamants were played for the value of the prizes (regardless of comparative value of todays prizes). The ships and setups of the first 3 tournaments were insanely expensive. Later tournaments allowed for much cheaper setups to be competetive. Plus almost everything in market has become cheaper since then. Not to forget that in the olden days plenty of faction hulls got used while most of the modern setups can be self-produced at cost. I don't know why several big alliances didn't bother to apply - but I wouldn't think the prizes are the explanation in most cases (at least not the monetary value of them). I think you underestimate the value of a mothership back in 2006 when you could probably count the total number of them in game on your fingers and when they were untackleable. This is back when dropping carriers on gates wasn't an automatic death sentence for said carriers because nobody always had 50 dreads on standby ready to hotdrop you. Even if the isk tradeoff of losing a bunch of faction ships in a tournament might not have been "worth it" per se, you really didn't have an isk value on motherships back then, not to mention that getting the infrastructure for building super-capitals set up and getting the blueprints/materials etc. is also a huge effort by itself. Win a tourny, get a mothership, seems like a much simpler plan. The only state raven to have been publicly sold was allegedly sold for 80 billion isk. Don't pretend that five sets of pirate implants and a dozen navy battleships combined would have been worth even one of those ships. And the winners were given eight of them.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.26 16:30:00 - [77] I know Trevedian tried to recruit me into a dream team I think for the last tournament. Personally, working with the likes of Trevedian, Tyrrax, Tusko etc. would be an absolute honour, despite my loyalty to MM.
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.26 16:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk hm something about that sounds familiar the bit about chribba's alt corp probably! :P
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.26 18:25:00 - [79] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 26/01/2009 18:26:31 Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk hm something about that sounds familiar the bit about chribba's alt corp probably! :P Well I'm an enterprising individual that assembled a team of very good players (f.i. NTRabbit, Vegeta, Trevedian, Tank CEO, dalman, Lord Zap to list some of the better known ones) in chribba's alt alliance ;d of course we used that alliance more cos it's funny than to get an air of respectability not paying them tho, and no corporate sponsorship (like we'd need any heh)
Hubris Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk toot toot, i am tooting my own horn i am better than the rest of you "lower class eve players" fixed and btw your ghey -
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.27 02:51:00 - [81] because the alliance tournament doesn't really prove anything, and has **** for rewards
Xiong Yoshi Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.27 03:16:00 - [82] A lot of people should be glad that I'm not in charge. I'd have rules like: 64 Team alliance, current pairing system is fine. 8 Slots would be reserved for top 8 from previous tourney. 8 Slots would be reserved for top Station holding alliances. All alliances entering must have been created no less than 30 days prior to registration. All Pilots participating must have been a part of their corporation for no less than 30 days prior to tourney day, and that corp must have been part of the alliance for no less than 30 days prior to the tourney day. It is an Alliance tourney - not an individual pilot's tourney.. not a dream team tourney. The Pilots who participate are supposed to be representing the alliance.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:38:00 - [83] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 27/01/2009 04:38:43 Originally by: Hubris Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk toot toot, i am tooting my own horn i am better than the rest of you "lower class eve players" fixed and btw your ghey i disagree, i think my post was saying (or at least hinting) that despite all the advantages we had, my sucking so much as an FC (and a pvper) caused us to lose anyway -_- also no u
Kitano THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:55:00 - [84] Originally by: The Hardman Even PL, who are the favorites this time, wouldn't be such a big deal as beating Bob back then was, because they actually haven't won a tournament.. ZOMG it WShatners main
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.27 10:01:00 - [85] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I'm an enterprising individual whatever else TT may or may not be, there's no denying that!

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