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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject You want to sit there and say its my fault, even though it is, that i purchased a laptop and its my fault that i can not run the client in a year.
Everything that can be said, has been said. If that isn't good enough for, then all that is left is flaming.
You don't want to make everything happy and nice for everyone. You don't want to help anyone. You just want everyone to agree with you and support you. Stop pretending otherwise. You and Rufus are doing more damage for the image of those hurt by these changes then any amount of forum trolls could possibly do, with your refusal to actually listen to any valid arguements that get brought up.
I would also like to point out that I am a member of this 'laptop community'. I see no problem with CCP's decision. |
Mrs MaltaProject
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:18:00 -
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Do you have proof everything was and or is being said? Another thing that stuns me about your post is that you have no problem with there decision. You wouldnt be implying that have a laptop like those that are worth somewhere between 3-6 thousand dollars are you? If not then what that says to me is that you are not infact in my position nor others. Your stereotyping me to be the person that is lying through my keystrokes about my arguement on the matter and what i'm trying to do.
Like I said lets revert from all of this and find an innovative soulution. My main personal reason is because I've put in money into this game just recently, only for it to be wasted in collection because i can't afford a newer computer.
To me, to others, and maybe even yourself now see that as a problem if you are infact a part of the "laptop community" |
Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Taylor timenenzi on 15/01/2009 23:54:04
Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject Taylor and everyone else who are posting here, please revert from your Biased, steriotypical comments and instead why not help the laptop community here. If i did not get out into real life and know whats going on, would i be talking about my finances? The bad economy? Or really even any of the other references ive used. I know my fair share about computers, but i choose to do other things than constantly study them.
I fail to understand why it is that you are calling me the whiner or complainer when instead of seeing the bright side of my post, (the side that only wants to curve the future for everyone)You want to sit there and say its my fault, even though it is, that i purchased a laptop and its my fault that i can not run the client in a year. There is no point in posting negative comments on other people and there opinions and weather or not they choose to want to play on the go or not. None of this is the point, instead why not help the laptop community stop posting rants and flames (ide like to point out that was not what my post was aiming for) by supporting them.
I own a labtop and it wont be running these new clients but that doesnt hurt me since all I used it for was when I was on the road to switch skills and play solitare. I knew when I bought it sevral years ago that its shelf life was short for playing the new games but then again when im out and about im not playing games im being social. You know interacting with the world around me, not nose deep in a screen. Like Ive said if you game on a labtop it better be a high end or learn to deal with the short life span they have. I am sorry for you that I used that soft squishy grey mass of tissue between my ears and game on a desktop that I can upgrade very cheaply every year or two to stay with the curve. I want to see this change go thru. Its good for the game. Actualy its FREAKING GREAT FOR THE GAME. They no longer need to compare between a out of date pos client and a new pos client. All that did was slow them down and make things harder to get thru the pipeline. Ill repeat how it is not CCP's fault you choose to game on a labtop. Its not my fault that you somehow think owning a labtop makes you a better person then people with a desktop gaming computer. (which is proven about how you think we are biased and basement dwellers who never leave the house, whose the biased one here?) You should accept that when dealing with technology in any form you need to keep up or get left behind. This change is good for the game and thats what matters at the bottom line.
EDIT: The solution to this is let it go thru. Thats the solution. You have like a year till this change happens. It would be no problem at all putting away 10-20 dollars a week and building a desktop by the fall that would be upgradeable and let you keep up and play what you want.
But I forget desktop gamers are trolls that never see the sun and weigh 700 pounds. They are also anti social and not as special as labtop owners. |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject Alright im absouluty sure this is the wrong place to discuss this since i couldn't find any threads on the subject here, but here goes.
The discussion is here. |
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Mrs MaltaProject
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:03:00 -
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thank you
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Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente Shadow Front
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject You want to sit there and say its my fault, even though it is, that i purchased a laptop and its my fault that i can not run the client in a year.
Everything that can be said, has been said. If that isn't good enough for, then all that is left is flaming.
You don't want to make everything happy and nice for everyone. You don't want to help anyone. You just want everyone to agree with you and support you. Stop pretending otherwise. You and Rufus are doing more damage for the image of those hurt by these changes then any amount of forum trolls could possibly do, with your refusal to actually listen to any valid arguements that get brought up.
I would also like to point out that I am a member of this 'laptop community'. I see no problem with CCP's decision.
In fact much has been said by the desktop community and much of it is wrong from a business sense. Most of the arguments are based around technology suitable for a FPS, which this is not. If you actually do a little research you will notice (amazingly) that the maximum required stats for many MMOs (including the most successful ones) are at most shader 2.0.
This includes a number of MMOs, such as Vanguard (which is not successful, but is pretty) as an example, that have a graphics rich environment that makes EVE look dull and boring.
So, go figure. |
jam6549
Cold Blooded Killers
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:18:00 -
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you do realise desktops are far cheaper in relation to quality then laptops are?
you can build your own PC which will run EVE premium full graphics for ú300(maybe ú500 prebuilt? i dunno i build mine) and the same specced laptop, or of similar spec, would net you ú1000.
Get it? CCP arn't gonna hang around for people who can only support the graphics which are the best part of a decade out of date? If you want to be guaranteed to play games, go play consoles, cos you should of learnt a long time ago that trying to play the most up-to-date games will require more money on PC. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: jam6549 you do realise desktops are far cheaper in relation to quality then laptops are?
You do realise that desktops are bulkier and less portable than laptops are?
If CCP was to push back the SM3+ requirement to Summer 2010, people would have time to budget for a new $900 toy. |
Abene Placito
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Abene Placito on 16/01/2009 00:36:50 "We all know that 97% of laptops are not upgradeble."
Lawl, what?
Most laptops have upgradable CPUs, all laptops have upgradable hard drives, and the vast majority of laptops with discrete graphics nowadays are upgradable (as long as they're MXM). EDIT: All nVidia cards of the series 6 and above are Shader Model 3 equipped, and I'm pretty sure the two most recent integrated graphics sets Intel put out are Shader Model 3 equipped as well.
But really, I was able to play EVE on the Premium client with everything else turned down as low as possible on my 4 year old HP with integrated graphics. And honestly, if you don't have a Shader Model 3 equipped computer, you need to upgrade for other reasons. |
Mrs MaltaProject
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:41:00 -
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abene you do realise that most new off the line laptops have graphics cards built into the the motherboard not just something you can take out |
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Abene Placito
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject abene you do realise that most new off the line laptops have graphics cards built into the the motherboard not just something you can take out
That's just plain wrong. There are two types of graphics in laptops (and desktops, for that matter): discrete and integrated. Yeah, all integrated graphics cards are built into the motherboard, but that type of graphics card is usually found in lower end computers. On the other hand, discrete graphics cards are not built into the motherboard and can be upgraded to another card in the same MXM class as long as it doesn't take more power than the laptop can give it and as long as it doesn't overpower the cooling system of the laptop.
Oh, and *realize. |
Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject
Like I said lets revert from all of this and find an innovative soulution. My main personal reason is because I've put in money into this game just recently, only for it to be wasted in collection because i can't afford a newer computer.
To me, to others, and maybe even yourself now see that as a problem if you are infact a part of the "laptop community"
There has been helpful replies in all threads I've read on this subject for the laptop community. I have been nice enough to read through every post in your thread to see if you took note of anything that is useful to you, however i can remember no recognition to something that can help you from your side. With that said, please take a look at these two threads:
SM2 vs SM3
Oh noes! what do we do? (When is the time to upgrade your computer?)
If you happen to have seen those threads and not bothered to read through them and make a reply then i suggest you read through them... AND make a reply. I could give you links to the posts with helpful material in it but that would make you miss the context of them. I don't have a problem with the SM3 deal but that doesn't mean i understand the situation and am ready to read a whole bunch of boring threads to help those who need it. In my opinion, for anyone to accept help they have to accept they have a problem and come to terms with the facts.
So what facts are there really? There is a huge problem with facts to begin with, on one end, it's a fact that CCP will stop supporting SM2 in 10 months. But on the other end, they could change their mind, no matter how unlikely that is to me. So what is left in that fact then if it's not solid? That is for you to decide! But should EvE move on to SM3 and you decided not to upgrade then there is nothing left for you to do is there? Let's fast forward to December 2009, you have the same laptop as before, here's some options:
- Keep the laptop, buy a new PC (preferably stationary) and play eve on that.
- Sell the old laptop, buy a new PC (preferably stationary) for the money you made off the old.
- Keep the laptop, stop playing eve and play whatever game there is that still support SM2.
- Use software that can "hack"/simulate SM3 compatibility and suffer from the performance impact and potential crashes.
I can't recall when you bought your laptop and i can't recall what laptop that is. But here are some of my thoughts on it:
Situation 1 - Your laptop is a midrange to budget model from 2007 that you bought in 2007.
- You didn't do your research. [Do your research!]
- You did your research. [You knew this would happen!]
- The dealer said it would last for years. [Never trust a dealer!]
- It had a low price tag. [The more you pay for, the more you can use it for!]
- It was expensive. [Do your research!]
- The dealer said it was a budget PC and not for games. [You had your luxury!]
Situation 2 - Your laptop was a top of the line model in 2007, but you bought it recently.
- You expected it to be good because it was top of the line 1 year ago. [WRONG! Do your research!]
- You knew you could at lest play eve on it. [Nothing lasts forever, do your research!]
- The dealer said it was a nice deal. [So what? Don't ever trust them!]
- You bought it because it was cheap. [The more you pay for, the more you can use it for!]
- It was expensive. [... (stupid) Do your research!]
I am going to start writing a guide on what to think about when buying a computer next...
But there you have it. All the options i know of and all the help you hopefully need. Enjoy!
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Mrs MaltaProject
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:50:00 -
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as far as my spelling on the internet goes thanks for the correction ;)
and so then what if a higher graphics card will overpower my laptop? if it doesnt then cool. Then i want to know what happens to all the other people who can't upgrade there laptop. Or even desktop now that ive looked at the link the CCP dev gave me. |
Abene Placito
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject as far as my spelling on the internet goes thanks for the correction ;)
You're quite welcome!
Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject and so then what if a higher graphics card will overpower my laptop? if it doesnt then cool. Then i want to know what happens to all the other people who can't upgrade there laptop. Or even desktop now that ive looked at the link the CCP dev gave me.
Well, you can almost always upgrade every part of a desktop, that's a non-issue. But if you have a laptop that is not Shader Model 3 equipped and is not upgradable, for example, an older laptop with integrated graphics, it's probably time to upgrade anyway, for other reasons not related to EVE.
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Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente Shadow Front
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde
I am going to start writing a guide on what to think about when buying a computer next...
//Cadde
You are not even vaguely qualified.
There have been a couple of helpful posts (possible software hack for SM3.0 for those that can do it) and Bish with his laptop links the reality is most of the desktop comments are: 1) Change your lifestyle, how dare you play games with a laptop. They are not meant for that. 2) Its only $650-$750 for a new laptop, what do you mean you can't afford it. Go and get a job and stop whining. 3) My opinions are more important than yours because I already have a SM3.0 capable PC.
The reality is that if EVE heads down the SM3.0 route it is heading off down a lonely path for MMOs that have been around for 2 years or more. All of them have SM2.0 support.
But, of course, CCP and the graphics nerds are right .... a rich sandbox game where none of the gameplay requires ultra fancy graphics really needs to force people to upgrade to SM3.0. It will so add to the gaming experience NOT.
Fancy graphics are nice for a day or two until you are smart enough to realize they add exactly nothing to the long term enjoyment of the game.
Cheers, Ruf.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:22:00 -
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i realise that it's not within everyone's reach to just upgrade-upgrade-upgrade all the time, but - however harsh this truth may be to hear - laptop's are NOT easily upgradeable and often make bad-choices for gaming machines.
EVE has been around for nearly 6 years now and it's inevitable that we will ALL have had to upgrade our hardware - whether it's purely for EVE or not is another discussion - during that period in order to keep playing. Whilst i would hate for players to leave over this, anyone expecting one machine to carry them through EVE's whole existence is going to be sorely disappointed. I realise you got your laptop more recently and you're not trying to use a 2003 machine to play, but the reality is that EVE is going to keep evolving to survive, and we're going to have to evolve (our PC hardware) to keep up.
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Mrs MaltaProject
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:37:00 -
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Since majority of the people posting here are against me and don't think i should continue writing, i wont. I guess ill have to wait and see. CCP i know you probably think little significance of me but i would just like to announce, I'm going with the cheaper option. Come December or possibly even sooner, i will be quitting the game.
NO MORE COMMENTS -Malta
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MidgetWerewolfChuckNorri
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject Edited by: Mrs MaltaProject on 16/01/2009 01:00:54 ...i know my options, thats exactly the point on this topic is that the options laid out...well...suck, for lack of a better word...
no one cares...
your group of people with no sm3 come 2009/winter, a less then 3% minority, is too small to screw with the other 97%.
make a change, if you cant, give me your stuff. |
Fyrewyre
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:24:00 -
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Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.01.16 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
You are not even vaguely qualified.
What makes you qualified to make that assumption? Do i even have to be qualified? It's all about trying to HELP others, something you seemingly forgot about along the line.
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
There have been a couple of helpful posts (possible software hack for SM3.0 for those that can do it) and Bish with his laptop links ...
Then what in the world are you still doing here? If you don't know how to make the "software hack" work then wouldn't it lie in your interest to figure that out?
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
... the reality is most of the desktop comments are: 1) Change your lifestyle, how dare you play games with a laptop. They are not meant for that. 2) Its only $650-$750 for a new laptop, what do you mean you can't afford it. Go and get a job and stop whining. 3) My opinions are more important than yours because I already have a SM3.0 capable PC.
First of all, why do you put people in separate groups in the first place? I don't care if you are using a laptop or a desktop to play games. However, i strongly advice against buying a laptop to play games with. I do that because i am trying to HELP others, if i didn't care about it i wouldn't spend time trying to.
Answer to #1 It doesn't really apply to me, as i have never said "how dare you play games with a laptop". But i have said that laptops in general aren't meant for games. There are however laptops made for playing games. But when buying one you have to understand that it will be hard to keep it up to date with new games.
Answer to #2 Once again, I've never said that to anyone in particular on these forums. And as far as i know there are laptops with SM3.0 capable cards for less than $300 off the shelve, but i wouldn't advice you to buy one off the shelve as you can find a used one for $100 if you look around.
Answer to #3 Still doesn't apply to me because in no way have I ever said or implied that my opinion is worth more than anybody else on these forums. The only thing that applies is that, yes, I do have 2 desktop PC's with SM3.0 capable hardware. But that doesn't exclude me from helping others, in any way i can. You on the other hand have constantly attempted to show your superiority to the rest of us by saying such things. You have also lied to us on several occasions, be it on purpose or unknowingly just to provide a solid argument. The most recent example is where you said you are financially unable to save to get a new laptop and later used your ability to play eve for free during a period of 4 years to come. That is after all $17 saved every month for ten months.
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
The reality is that if EVE heads down the SM3.0 route it is heading off down a lonely path for MMOs that have been around for 2 years or more. All of them have SM2.0 support.
I am amazed to how you actually got this one right! But you forget to take into account what differentiate eve from those games. To begin with, CCP have maintained 2 clients for windows. That is previously UNHEARD of. Secondly, the premium client never supported SM2.0 and it would be complicated to make it able to do that. CCP are dropping one client because that saves them money and time. Time they can put into making sure EvE lives on for another 6 years!
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
But, of course, CCP and the graphics nerds are right .... a rich sandbox game where none of the gameplay requires ultra fancy graphics really needs to force people to upgrade to SM3.0. It will so add to the gaming experience NOT.
Fancy graphics are nice for a day or two until you are smart enough to realize they add exactly nothing to the long term enjoyment of the game.
If gameplay is so important to you and graphics unessential then you would be fine with it if EvE looked like THIS? If you ask me, i would stop --------------- Opinions? Yes they belong to me, not my corp! |
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject I could sit infront of a desktop, i can change my lifestyle to do anything. Playing a game is last of the list of changes i want to make in my lifestyle, but it can and will be made if it comes to that. What i can't change are my finances, family, and job.
I don't want to stop playing a game that is literally like no other that i have ever played, just because i can't afford it. Not only would all of the cash that I put into the awesome game would all go to waste, that just makes me feel bad and feel poor since I can't afford the nicer things in life. Even the cheaper computers that could run the premium client, even after being bought at walmart, would end up being 500-600$ seeing as i would have to buy a new monitor, speakers, and a keyboard. This is a problem since my money spending goes, family first, me second
www.pricewatch.com
If you buy anything from an actual store then you already don't belong playing games as YOUR BEING RIPPED OFF.
I constantly tell people as to the evils of the stores out there, its all overpriced, outdated GARBAGE that they are selling you, and they are paid to lie to you.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.16 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject I could sit infront of a desktop, i can change my lifestyle to do anything. Playing a game is last of the list of changes i want to make in my lifestyle, but it can and will be made if it comes to that. What i can't change are my finances, family, and job.
I don't want to stop playing a game that is literally like no other that i have ever played, just because i can't afford it. Not only would all of the cash that I put into the awesome game would all go to waste, that just makes me feel bad and feel poor since I can't afford the nicer things in life. Even the cheaper computers that could run the premium client, even after being bought at walmart, would end up being 500-600$ seeing as i would have to buy a new monitor, speakers, and a keyboard. This is a problem since my money spending goes, family first, me second
www.pricewatch.com
If you buy anything from an actual store then you already don't belong playing games as YOUR BEING RIPPED OFF.
I constantly tell people as to the evils of the stores out there, its all overpriced, outdated GARBAGE that they are selling you, and they are paid to lie to you.
This.
But in fairness to the evil stores about the lying, the customer tends to get ****ed off when you don't lie to them.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.16 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Buga Buga Good, less people = less lag.
This
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.16 04:46:00 -
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I wish CCP would've made the forums accessible only by SM 3.0 computers, that way we wouldn't have to listen to these incessant whiny *****es.
Playing video games on a laptop is fail and everyone knows that, even people trying to sell you a computer will tell you it is fail. |
Abene Placito
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 05:00:00 -
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I lawled at the notion that you can't keep up with video games on a laptop. High quality poasting right thar. |
Gane Green
Gallente Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2009.01.16 05:46:00 -
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Im happy with the fact that my 2003 machine is still able to play after they make the changes. My god man its 2009. 6 years for me is a good run for a computer. The fact that they are raising the bar finally makes me think I need a new machine.
Tip: Make a friend who stays updated each year and offer to buy their 2nd oldest laptop for cheap. Make sure its a decent one and you will never go wrong. If God was a number he would be over 9,000!!!!!!!!! |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.01.16 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
It's rather simple. If cost of keeping up with old hardware > income from customers with old hardware THEN discontinue support for SM2. No amount of forum whining will stop this.
lol @ your emote
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2009.01.16 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs MaltaProject
I KNOW MY STATS MIGHT BE OUT OF DATE OR WRONG. That is what an estimation is for, seeing as CCP didn't provide to me or anyone the number of current subscribers there are that use a laptop.
Why would they give you that number?
You estimation is stupid. Let me make an estimation myself, based in part on reality and not some unrelated figures.
CCP has to support two graphics clients. That takes manpower. Let's say, two full-time artists and two full-time testers. Assuming a cost for the company around 5kEUR per head per month (including taxes, office costs, etc.) that's 20kEUR/month. An account gives them 10EUR per month. From this we conclude that less than 2000 accounts use crap laptopts that don't support modern graphics. And those laptops are **** enough that the only thing you can do is switch skills anyway. No big loss.
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Jelmer
Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.16 08:52:00 -
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Both my laptop and my stationary PC are ABLE to use Premium. But if I try, I cannot do PVP... I am worried about what will happen when Premium Light is the only option, as I fear it will mean that I too, despite having PCs that are technically good enough, will not in reality be able to do anything but log on, chat and change skills.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hegbard And those laptops are **** enough that the only thing you can do is switch skills anyway. No big loss.
Nuh-uh! I also check my market orders on my SM2 laptop!
…that said, losing my on-the-job skill switching capability is the only thing I have against dropping SM2.0. I suspect this holds true for a vast majority of the players. I also suspect that this suspicion is more well-founded than the OP's ill-reasoned numbers. |
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