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Lt Angus Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Schalac EDIT: Holy **, 2006????? 2006 what? Quote: Are you kidding me??? that is all that you could find in your extensive research including "almost 70 titles"???? What extensive research? Did you even read my post or did you just read the title? Quote:** And how the hell did you miss EQ, EQ2, FFXI, WOW, ULTIMA.... How the hell did YOU miss them? Are you blind? Did you even look at the timeline? Every one of those is already on the list and all except FFXI were added the day it was created. And even if they were missing, how about you STFU and add them yourself you lazy **ing ingrate? Quote: Ok, I get it you have a project due at university and you want us to do it for you. You caught me. I'm a 31 year old software developer moonlighting as a university student tasked with the chore of building a timeline of MMO releases for my History class. Quote: PFFT. Your list sucks ass. You're an idiot. If you don't like the list, ing add to it, idiot. That's why it's open to be edited by anyone. I didn't put the list together to meet your individual needs. I put the list together, because I found it interesting and I though others would as well and that they'd also want to contribute to the list. I'm not here to **ing serve you. If I was going to wait until I had 300 MMOs on the list before I mentioned "Hey, does anyone want to contribute to this?" what the hell would be the point of asking if anyone anted to contribute to it? Second, if you're going to complain about entries not existing, be sure they don't actually exist. Ok then your list is FUBAR. Here is what I see. 2009Mar10photoEVE Online: Apocrypha 2008Nov27videoThe Chronicles of Spellborn 2008Nov11videoEVE Online: Quantum Rise 2008Oct26photoDomain of Heroes 2008Sep18photoWarhammer: Age of Reckoning 2008Jun10videoEVE Online: Empyrean Age 2008May20videoAge of Conan: Hyborian Adventures 2008Jan22videoPirates of the Burning Sea 2007Dec5videoEVE Online: Trinity 2007Nov2videoTabula Rasa 2007Oct31photoPirates of the Caribbean Online 2007Sep21videoStarQuest Online 2007Jun30videoVanguard: Saga of Heroes 2007Jun19videoEVE Online: Revelations II 2007May24videoDungeon Runners 2007Apr24videoLord of the Rings Online 2007photoCronous 2006Nov29videoEVE Online: Revelations 2006JunvideoDark and Light 2006May26videoAce Online / Space Cowboy Online and here is the url for the list I see from your list....http://www.xtimeline.com/events.aspx?q=Bif200901150058036039230 now go to the next page, omg theres more
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:17:00 - [32] Edited by: Qordel on 16/01/2009 17:17:48 Originally by: Schalac Ok then your list is FUBAR. Here is what I see. 2009Mar10photoEVE Online: Apocrypha 2008Nov27videoThe Chronicles of Spellborn 2008Nov11videoEVE Online: Quantum Rise 2008Oct26photoDomain of Heroes 2008Sep18photoWarhammer: Age of Reckoning 2008Jun10videoEVE Online: Empyrean Age 2008May20videoAge of Conan: Hyborian Adventures 2008Jan22videoPirates of the Burning Sea 2007Dec5videoEVE Online: Trinity 2007Nov2videoTabula Rasa 2007Oct31photoPirates of the Caribbean Online 2007Sep21videoStarQuest Online 2007Jun30videoVanguard: Saga of Heroes 2007Jun19videoEVE Online: Revelations II 2007May24videoDungeon Runners 2007Apr24videoLord of the Rings Online 2007photoCronous 2006Nov29videoEVE Online: Revelations 2006JunvideoDark and Light 2006May26videoAce Online / Space Cowboy Online and here is the url for the list I see from your list....http://www.xtimeline.com/events.aspx?q=Bif200901150058036039230 Uh. Click on the pagination links 1\|2\|3\|4\|>> underneath the list? Or also, click the View Timeline tab and scroll that.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Schalac Edited by: Schalac on 16/01/2009 17:16:48 Actually you know what.... I'm an idiot, this is nothing new to those that know me, but after I allowed your page on firefox I got page selection options... And then I clicked on them... I'm sorry. I blame Matt. Sorry for my **head response to your head response, too, then. No worries. I only use Firefox so I'm not sure how that site's interface appears elsewhere. Apparently not so well! Quote:** EDIT: I still do not see Graal though. Look it up. It was a Zelda mod made into an MMORPG. And it was PVP. Basically it was awesome. I'm actually reading up on Graal right now, since you first mentioned it. I find old MMOs (or at least those that passed by me when I was pre-occupied with other games) fascinating, so this is another interesting title along with some of the others suggested in this thread. Thanks for the tip.
Martin Mckenna Point Blank.	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:23:00 - [34] Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx You need to get out more m8 The fact your posting this tell me you proly also need to To OP nice site. Although you have included all the EVE Online expantions but not included the release date other expansions for other games. The one that springs to mind is Wrath of the Litch King for World of Warcraft. I think if you going to include expantions you need to do it for all games and not just one.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx You need to get out more m8 The fact your posting this tell me you proly also need to To OP nice site. Although you have included all the EVE Online expantions but not included the release date other expansions for other games. The one that springs to mind is Wrath of the Litch King for World of Warcraft. I think if you going to include expantions you need to do it for all games and not just one. Feel free to add any that you like. :) I'm definitely going to add others when I get around to it, though, unless others beat me to it. My primary goal is to get the main titles added. It'll be easier to follow up with expansions after the list of original releases exists.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Schalac Edited by: Schalac on 16/01/2009 17:16:48 Actually you know what.... I'm an idiot, this is nothing new to those that know me, but after I allowed your page on firefox I got page selection options... And then I clicked on them... I'm sorry. I blame Matt. Sorry for my **head response to your head response, too, then. No worries. I only use Firefox so I'm not sure how that site's interface appears elsewhere. Apparently not so well! Quote:** EDIT: I still do not see Graal though. Look it up. It was a Zelda mod made into an MMORPG. And it was PVP. Basically it was awesome. I'm actually reading up on Graal right now, since you first mentioned it. I find old MMOs (or at least those that passed by me when I was pre-occupied with other games) fascinating, so this is another interesting title along with some of the others suggested in this thread. Thanks for the tip. No worries mate.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:26:00 - [37] I would like to add to this thread. After looking up "Hallway Football" on google, all of those people that you see on youtube are *s. All the people you see on that other than english site are *s and none of them are playing hallway football. Hallway football is a full contact sport that we played in barracks, or any other area with a long, narrow and straight area of passage. There is no passing in hallway football. Your objective is to carry the ball from one end of the hallway to the other, without being brought down. I.E. normal NFL rules of hands and/or knees on the ground after contact with an opposing player. In true hallway football only you are on the controlling team and everyone else involved is on the defense. Once you are down you lob the ball into the air and whoever catches it is now on the offense and they have to get to the opposite side of the hallway that you were going for. It is brutal, our company commanders have banned it, but we still play and I would like to confirm that I score the most in 8 out 10 games that I am involved with, because it's hard to bring us fat bastards to our knees if we know how to run and can carry 1 or 2 people due to training.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Schalac I would like to add to this thread. After looking up "Hallway Football" on google, all of those people that you see on youtube are *s. All the people you see on that other than english site are s and none of them are playing hallway football. Hallway football is a full contact sport that we played in barracks, or any other area with a long, narrow and straight area of passage. There is no passing in hallway football. Your objective is to carry the ball from one end of the hallway to the other, without being brought down. I.E. normal NFL rules of hands and/or knees on the ground after contact with an opposing player. In true hallway football only you are on the controlling team and everyone else involved is on the defense. Once you are down you lob the ball into the air and whoever catches it is now on the offense and they have to get to the opposite side of the hallway that you were going for. It is brutal, our company commanders have banned it, but we still play and I would like to confirm that I score the most in 8 out 10 games that I am involved with, because it's hard to bring us fat bastards to our knees if we know how to run and can carry 1 or 2 people due to training. This sounds like the TailGate incident from the military in the 90s, except instead of trying to escape without being ***d, you're trying to escape with a ball. Awesome. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel You need to add Meridian 59. Sure, the game sucked, but it was definitely a milestone. I thought I had added that. How in the hell did I forget? Must add that to the list. Gracias. By the way, anyone who wants to contribute to the timeline directly can do so. It's editable by anyone signed in there, so you don't have to run it through me. If it shoudl be there, go ahead and throw it on! Love some of these suggestions, too. Thanks. --
SmackaDoom Caldari Tacos Revolution CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:54:00 - [40] You forgot to add the game SubSpace .... public beta was in 1996 and was released in 1997 I wasted several years playing that one
charming wanderer	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Finnroth How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out. Tabula Rasa is still going, it has not closed down... Now I am not saying that it is not going to die soon, as it is still pretty horrible, just that it is not dead yet
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:00:00 - [42] Originally by: charming wanderer Originally by: Finnroth How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out. Tabula Rasa is still going, it has not closed down... Now I am not saying that it is not going to die soon, as it is still pretty horrible, just that it is not dead yet February 28th, 2009.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:08:00 - [43] Originally by: SmackaDoom You forgot to add the game SubSpace .... public beta was in 1996 and was released in 1997 I wasted several years playing that one Added. Apparently it still exists as freeware/abandonware and is playable?
SmackaDoom Caldari Tacos Revolution CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: SmackaDoom You forgot to add the game SubSpace .... public beta was in 1996 and was released in 1997 I wasted several years playing that one Added. Apparently it still exists as freeware/abandonware and is playable? as far as I know its still going strong ..... was renamed Continuum and is all player ran now
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:49:00 - [45] Gemstone II needs to be added for 1988 april, Gemstone III Dec 1989 and Gemstone IV for Nov of 2003, i dont feel like registering to become an editor
Vermatrix	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:37:00 - [46] thanks for this post i enjoy timelines on some topics as well. A+++ <-look at my ebay skills!
Victoria Ehr Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:59:00 - [47] Hey, what about flyff and hellokitty online? -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Maren Maen	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:26:00 - [48] Someone listed DragonRealms, but forgot Gemstone III (and II, and IV), as well as the other Simu games that came before it. I find that amusing.
Tristin Del'astakhos Gallente Xanadu inc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Tristin Del''astakhos on 17/01/2009 07:37:12 Dransik has the wrong start date, It came out in the fall of 2000. Ashen Empires which is the sequel to Dransik came out in 2003 under the name Drainsk Iso, which changed it's name 9 months later to Ashen Empires. The original dransik was re-released as Dransik Classic around 2005. Another game not on your list was called Diaspora, It was an online 2D space game similar to EVE which came out in 1999 and shut down in 2001. It is notable for two reasons.. First it was similar to EVE, and Second, after it shut down, it spawned several clones written from scratch by fans which still exist to this day. -------------------------------------------------- Tristin Del'astakhos - Seeking employment
Raven Eleashia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:45:00 - [50] Dragon's Gate, a text-based multi user role-playing game that started in 1996 and was available on a number of commercial online services such as GeNie. 1985 Tempest (ISI) 1991 Dial-up BBS (DC Area Only) Castles II Online 1996 Engage Games Online Rolemaster: Magestorm 1996 Engage Games Online, AOL, Gamestorm Splatterball 1996 Engage Games Online, AOL, Gamestorm Darkness Falls 1997 Engage Games Online, AOL, Gamestorm Rolemaster: Bladelands 1997 Engage Games Online Aliens Online 1998 Gamestorm Starship Troopers: Battlespace 1998 Gamestorm Godzilla Online 1998 Gamestorm Silent Death 1999 Gamestorm, EA.com Darkness Falls: The Crusade 1999 AOL, Gamestorm, Centropolis Spellbinder: The Nexus Conflict 1999 Centropolis, Deutsche Telekom ID4 Online 2000 Centropolis These are all MMO's that Mythic/Mark Jacobs released.
DedGuy Millennium	Posted - 2009.01.17 09:57:00 - [51] Diaspora Released in 2000. Shared many aspects with Eve-O. Loved that game.... 70,000 player accounts, single server, harsh, territorial, awesome trade system.... Sound familiar? Died far too soon.
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:18:00 - [52] Edited by: Franga on 17/01/2009 11:20:14 Posting in a 'Qordel-3000-words-per-post-thread'. EDIT: after having looked at the timeline, I've decided I like it.
Louis DelaBlanche Adam Adamants Emporium Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:56:00 - [53] Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 17/01/2009 11:56:02 Couple more for the list: Face of Mankind (closed indefinately ) Knight Online Carpe Diem (also closed) 9Dragons
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Qordel currently holds almost 70 titles - including all EVE releases - dating back to the very first MUD, through TW2001/2, The Realm and onward. I'm an ex-essex mud, mud-II, mirror world, gods & shades player but I've not really got the time to write those up. Good luck with the project! ps. Do nethack bones files count as persistence?
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Franga Posting in a 'Qordel-3000-words-per-post-thread'. I'll have you know that the limit in any post is 4,000 characters, so I could not possibly write 3000 words in a post! Well, I mean, I could... CCP's forums just don't allow it to actually happen. Strangely, I'm not this verbose in conversation. Yes, I know I have a problem. Thanks for pointing it out. :P Quote: EDIT: after having looked at the timeline, I've decided I like it. Thank you. I really don't have the time or patience to do some uber MMO archival thing. some attempts are already out there, but they all seem to fall a little short of what I'd like. So I might do something like that - using this timeline as a beginning and a guideline for what I do later. Largely, my motivation was just "I can't find this anywhere and I really would like to see it, so I'll do it myself... and hopefully get some help along the way". It's kind of neat to see how many MMOs have come and gone, though. It's good that some still exist so people like myself who are not in their 40s or did not get a start on MMOs very early on can actually have a little taste.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Ticondrius Missed Air Warrior (GEnie) and Air Warrior (AOL). They released in 1993 and 95 respectively I believe. I played both extensively. I can't really find much on this. Do you know of any major sites for it? Or screenshots/dates/etc?
Masumi Vega Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:40:00 - [57] MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's..
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:57:00 - [58] Edited by: Qordel on 18/01/2009 15:58:20 Originally by: Masumi Vega MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's.. I don't see how a MUD isn't an MMO. It involves a lot of players interacting with each other in a persistent online world. The only difference between a MUD or Tradewars and later MMOs is the scope of "massively" where concurrency (number logged in at once) is involved. Meridian 59 most certainly was one of (if not the) first commercial 3D MMO, but it was by no means the first MMO, even if you discounted MUDs. In fact, most of the first MMOs were just MUDs with graphics tacked on. Hell, Neverwinter Nights predates Merdian by five years. --
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:05:00 - [59] If you're serious about this project, you're going to want to check against every title listed in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MMORPGs and http://www.mmogchart.com/
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Masumi Vega MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's.. MUDs are generally to be the first generation of MMOs. The second generation of MMOs would be the first generation of graphical MMOs, more or less. It also depends on how much you care about MUD genealogy. I don't know if some people break them into multiple generations before the graphical MMOs launched.

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