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Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:02:00 - [1] Preface: This is not exclusively EVE, though I have included all EVE releases in it. I considered placing this in Out of Pod, but this is not about naming my cat or anything and does involve EVE to a degree. I'll understand if CCP moves this, though. Otherwise, thank you to everyone who reads this and considers it. If you can't contribute, I hope it is of at least some passing curiosity to you. Link: Timeline of Massively Multiplayer Online Games Project: I tried to find a timeline of all MMOs and there was none to be found, short of some that were specific only to MUDs or modern MMOs and even those tended to include a lot of crazy unrelated historical entries, dating back to the introduction of writing fiction to humanity many centuries ago. None were very complete. So, being a somewhat obsessive-compulsive geek about certain things, I began to put my own timeline together. It currently holds almost 70 titles - including all EVE releases - dating back to the very first MUD, through TW2001/2, The Realm and onward. Being that there is no existing solid list of every MMO that has existed, I am now reaching the point where external contribution would be greatly appreciated to make the timeline more complete. The timeline is open to be edited by everyone, so please contribute if you are interested in this sort of thing as I am. If you would like to be added to the list as an official editor, just let me know once you have an account (I believe you have to have an account to do it) and I'll add you. Note that you can edit even without my permission, though. I've left it public and editable. What Qualifies: I want to include everything that fits a reasonable definition of MMO and not cave in to any potential snobbery. If it is a persistent multiplayer world, then I feel it should qualify. That means that Trade Wars should count, even though you weren't playing against thousands of other people in the same world. Barren Realms Elite counts, because it could be connected to many other BBSes and inter-board play then ensue. However, certain things don't really qualify. Primarily. FPSes - even if they retain your stats (K:D ration, for example). So no Bad Company. There isn't really any "world" there that persists. I hope that makes sense. However, Planetside does, because the world is persistent, even though it's essentially an FPS. Note that at the moment, I have been focused on filling out entries. Getting the names and basic links to existing information about a title (wiki or elsewhere) and a box-shot or screenshot or logo has been my first goal. I intend to run through a second time, adding more specific data about the game, history related to it, screenshots and any other interesting data in a mission to refine the list.
xXThunder StruckXx	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:05:00 - [2] You need to get out more m8
Salliene Gallente Trinity Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:09:00 - [3] Well I don't have time to get into editing and all that, but I will point out a couple of missing MMO's Saga of Rhyzom is one, had some great ideas, but never really took off. There was also an MMO on the old Sierra Network, I can't remember the name although I am sure that the word Maze was in it, it was either Alamaze or Madmaze. I also didn't see Jumpgate or Earth and Beyond on your list. Finally, you listed all of the EVE expansions but none of the expansions from other games. Is that being EVE-Centric or you just didn't get around to listing those? One Girls Journey through the EVE Universe
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Salliene There was also an MMO on the old Sierra Network, I can't remember the name although I am sure that the word Maze was in it, it was either Alamaze or Madmaze. I don't recall such a game off hand and couldn't find it on a list of Sierra games, so hopefully someone will know what that was and let us know. Quote: I also didn't see Jumpgate or Earth and Beyond on your list. Except for the next EVE expansion, I haven't been adding unreleased MMOs. It might be a good idea to do that eventually and then just remember to go back and edit them later to correct the release date or - in some inevitable cases - note that they were never actually released. Quote: Finally, you listed all of the EVE expansions but none of the expansions from other games. Is that being EVE-Centric or you just didn't get around to listing those? Just bias toward including those first based on personal interest. Certainly happy for people to go add missing expansions for other games to it (and I will get around to some of them myself, eventually). Initially, I wasn't going to include expansions at all, but then I realized it can't be a complete list and then only include the very first main release and nothing else.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:24:00 - [5] Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx You need to get out more m8 I know. I actually entered the first 50 records while on a very long conference call with a client (CTO of his corporation) and his entire IT department, though!
Hansarde	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Qordel [quote I also didn't see Jumpgate or Earth and Beyond on your list. Except for the next EVE expansion, I haven't been adding unreleased MMOs. It might be a good idea to do that eventually and then just remember to go back and edit them later to correct the release date or - in some inevitable cases - note that they were never actually released. Earth and Beyond was Release. It was quite good. Had some funny bits in it - for example the company Tada-O singsong voice. In fact I believe theres an attempt going on to create an emulator for it somewhere.
Lt Angus Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:33:00 - [7] 10 years since AC DT that made lowsec look like hello kitty
Primnproper	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Qordel Quote: I also didn't see Jumpgate or Earth and Beyond on your list. Except for the next EVE expansion, I haven't been adding unreleased MMOs. It might be a good idea to do that eventually and then just remember to go back and edit them later to correct the release date or - in some inevitable cases - note that they were never actually released. Jumpgate was released years ago, it's now known as jumpgate classic and is still going on a small scale. Jumpgate:Evolution is the sequel
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:42:00 - [9] You need to add Meridian 59. Sure, the game sucked, but it was definitely a milestone.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Primnproper Originally by: Qordel Quote: I also didn't see Jumpgate or Earth and Beyond on your list. Except for the next EVE expansion, I haven't been adding unreleased MMOs. It might be a good idea to do that eventually and then just remember to go back and edit them later to correct the release date or - in some inevitable cases - note that they were never actually released. Jumpgate was released years ago, it's now known as jumpgate classic and is still going on a small scale. Jumpgate:Evolution is the sequel Oh, I assumed she was talking about the one pending release... durr... sheesh. :)
Garr Anders Minmatar Thukk U	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:43:00 - [11] Apart from adding other games expansions as well, I'd also would add the closing of several MMOGs. Dark and Light closed their servers some time summer 2008. For Star Wars: Galaxies, major changes and expansions were: Changes: January 2004 introduction of the village, allowing becoming a jedi by questing. Expansion: Jump to Lightspeed was released on 27 October 2004. Changes: The Combat upgrade was 27 April 2005 Expansion: Episode III Rage of the Wookiees was released on 5 May 2005 Expansion: Trials of Obi-Wan, was released on 1 November 2005. Changes: The NGE was implemented on 15 November 2005
Finnroth Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:43:00 - [12] How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Finnroth How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out. Even The Realm Online is still going strong some twelve years later. I think they charge about $6/mo for an account. I guess if you're a tiny developer or even a one or two person project, it doesn't take a lot of people to keep you surviving forever.
Sephrin Minmatar Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:49:00 - [14] Didn't see FFXI on there, realeased in japan in late 2002 and the US in early 2003.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Vabjekf on 16/01/2009 15:57:03 You list lineage 2 but not lineage? It came out in 1998 A few more obscure ones that i know about, all form nexon (for practical purposes ill only list games that have an english speaking release - I will also only include proper mmos, not those mass produced play for free carbon copies, i will also include real release dates, some of these games had lengthy (open) betas, you could have been playing nexustk in 97 for example, but its 'release' was in 98) Nexus:the kingdom of the winds - 1998 in NA (baram, the original korean version, was released in 1996, and its beta went back a while too, this is one of the original graphical persistent worlds) Dark Ages - 1999 (this was a great game because it had a player-ran political system ^__^) Shattered Galaxy - 2001 (first MMORTS) And then nexon stopped giving us releases of their good mmos, and only give us things like maple story ;_; i wish they would still release outside of korea. They have some really good ones.
Iskyu Geiveme	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:59:00 - [16] Auto Assault Motor City Online World War II Online
Iskyu Geiveme	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:02:00 - [17] Oh and here is a list of mmo's with release dates from mmorpg.com Linkage
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Iskyu Geiveme Oh and here is a list of mmo's with release dates from mmorpg.com Linkage Sweet...
Ambo State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Finnroth How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out. Hellgate: London Auto assault (not sure if that one's still going or not) Can't think of many tbh. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Vabjekf	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:12:00 - [20] I wouldn't call HG:L an actually mmo, its more like a.. multilayer game with a fancy lobby. Same with guild wars tbh, instancing does not create a 'persistent' world. Anyway, most older mmos are still around, its only these rushed new ones once people started jumping onto the bandwagon and making mmos because they were profitable and not because they 'wanted to because they thought they were really cool', that start failing. I just became horribly depressed over shadowbane, that could have been such a great game ;_;
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:15:00 - [21] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 16/01/2009 16:16:12 Jsut started thinking what all MMOs i've tried/played Age of Conan Anarchy Online Auto Assault City of Heroes and Villains Dark Age of Camelot Guildwars Hellgate: London Earth & Beyond EVE RF Online Starwars Galaxies World of Warcraft I think that's it... Oh and that shooty thingy...Planetside. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:16:00 - [22] Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx You need to get out more m8 No, this is actually a very trinitarian theologically correct way of doing this. And I would like to say that before I even looked at his site, Graal is the single best MMORPG there ever was. It was my first and it was PVP. To even get to play this game you had to make it through 30-40 high level characters lined up at the end of the "new player hallway" and any man that knows what "hallway football" is knows what the setup is like, survive, and then get to the city. It was very cutthroat, and got rid of 99.9% of the ***s right off the bat. The next thing I got though once I was in the city was a guild invite. It took me literally 5-6 hours of play to get to this "city beyond the gates". Once I did though people respected you and unless they were your level or lower chances are they wouldn't kill you. Graal did have some bad seeds because they are everywhere, but the general consensus was, if he is lower help him. Was a great game and I made a few friends that I still talk to every once in a while on MSN now, but it also gave me a view on PVP online. In EVE I go after "red flashy" all the time and if you are neutral in lowsec/0.0 I will let you be, unless you are in a pod...if you let me get your pod you deserve to die because I suck at getting pods. But I will suicide you to protect my resource fields. You might see this as strange, but I have learned a long time ago in smaller MMOs that seeing people die by your hand is not the only form of PVP. While it might be the most fun and instantly gratifying, it certainly is not the only or even best way to kill a character you dislike. Personally I like theft as a form of PvP. To me, getting on someones good side and then robbing them blind is about the pinnacle of PvP. Knowing their assets, and then taking all of them away from your competitor, and then attacking said competitor is the highest form of PVP and should never be looked down upon. This to me is the most challenging and most respected form. Any monkey with a gun can kill you, but all it takes is a human touch to destroy you. Write that down. So, back on topic. I will now look at this list and hopefully Graal is included in it.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Schalac EDIT: Holy **, 2006????? 2006 what? Quote: Are you kidding me??? that is all that you could find in your extensive research including "almost 70 titles"???? What extensive research? Did you even read my post or did you just read the title? Quote:** And how the hell did you miss EQ, EQ2, FFXI, WOW, ULTIMA.... How the hell did YOU miss them? Are you blind? Did you even look at the timeline? Every one of those is already on the list and all except FFXI were added the day it was created. And even if they were missing, how about you STFU and add them yourself you lazy **ing ingrate? Quote: Ok, I get it you have a project due at university and you want us to do it for you. You caught me. I'm a 31 year old software developer moonlighting as a university student tasked with the chore of building a timeline of MMO releases for my History class. Quote: PFFT. Your list sucks ass. You're an idiot. If you don't like the list, ing add to it, idiot. That's why it's open to be edited by anyone. I didn't put the list together to meet your individual needs. I put the list together, because I found it interesting and I though others would as well and that they'd also want to contribute to the list. I'm not here to **ing serve you. If I was going to wait until I had 300 MMOs on the list before I mentioned "Hey, does anyone want to contribute to this?" what the hell would be the point of asking if anyone anted to contribute to it? Second, if you're going to complain about entries not existing, be sure they don't actually exist. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Qordel on 16/01/2009 16:41:05 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Jsut started thinking what all MMOs i've tried/played Age of Conan Anarchy Online Auto Assault City of Heroes and Villains Dark Age of Camelot Guildwars Hellgate: London Earth & Beyond EVE RF Online Starwars Galaxies World of Warcraft I think that's it... Oh and that shooty thingy...Planetside. Somewhat similar to my own list, which follows. I didn't list any MUDs or BBS door games though even though some of them (TW2002 and BRE/SRE, etc) would count. I'm probably leaving a few out, but these are what I was able to recall the other day when I put it together. While EVE is the only MMO I've played for more than two or three months (some only a few days or weeks), the list below is only for those that I actually played at all (ie, I didn't jump in, wander around for two days and quit). Anarchy Online World of Warcraft Dark Ages of Camelot A Tale In The Desert Rubies of Eventide Planetside Shadowbane Neocron Guild Wars The Sims Online (shut up - the GF made me) The Matrix Online RF Online Dungeons & Dragons Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Age of Conan Warhammer Online Eve Online -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Rex Lashar Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:42:00 - [25] You listed Exodus more than once. Cold War and RMR were separate.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Vabjekf I just became horribly depressed over shadowbane, that could have been such a great game ;_; Tell me about it. It didn't have a terrible launch, but it just didn't live up to what it could have been. I found it stale rather quickly. Anarchy Online still remains the most horrible experience I ever had, though. To the point that a full month into the game, I simply returned it to Amazon for a full refund, because though you could log in it was unplayable. And by unplayable, I mean "3fps" unplayable. Gave them time to work some things out... took a very long time before it did. And by that point, I had ashed my hands of them. Age of Conan was not so nearly miserable a launch, but it still bored the crap out of me by some time after level 20. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Rex Lashar You listed Exodus more than once. Cold War and RMR were separate. I hadn't noticed the typo from pasting in the first part of the name when adding them. Just corrected them. Gracias. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Ticondrius	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:06:00 - [28] Missed Air Warrior (GEnie) and Air Warrior (AOL). They released in 1993 and 95 respectively I believe. I played both extensively. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Schalac EDIT: Holy **, 2006????? 2006 what? Quote: Are you kidding me??? that is all that you could find in your extensive research including "almost 70 titles"???? What extensive research? Did you even read my post or did you just read the title? Quote:** And how the hell did you miss EQ, EQ2, FFXI, WOW, ULTIMA.... How the hell did YOU miss them? Are you blind? Did you even look at the timeline? Every one of those is already on the list and all except FFXI were added the day it was created. And even if they were missing, how about you STFU and add them yourself you lazy **ing ingrate? Quote: Ok, I get it you have a project due at university and you want us to do it for you. You caught me. I'm a 31 year old software developer moonlighting as a university student tasked with the chore of building a timeline of MMO releases for my History class. Quote: PFFT. Your list sucks ass. You're an idiot. If you don't like the list, ing add to it, idiot. That's why it's open to be edited by anyone. I didn't put the list together to meet your individual needs. I put the list together, because I found it interesting and I though others would as well and that they'd also want to contribute to the list. I'm not here to **ing serve you. If I was going to wait until I had 300 MMOs on the list before I mentioned "Hey, does anyone want to contribute to this?" what the hell would be the point of asking if anyone anted to contribute to it? Second, if you're going to complain about entries not existing, be sure they don't actually exist. Ok then your list is FUBAR. Here is what I see. 2009Mar10photoEVE Online: Apocrypha 2008Nov27videoThe Chronicles of Spellborn 2008Nov11videoEVE Online: Quantum Rise 2008Oct26photoDomain of Heroes 2008Sep18photoWarhammer: Age of Reckoning 2008Jun10videoEVE Online: Empyrean Age 2008May20videoAge of Conan: Hyborian Adventures 2008Jan22videoPirates of the Burning Sea 2007Dec5videoEVE Online: Trinity 2007Nov2videoTabula Rasa 2007Oct31photoPirates of the Caribbean Online 2007Sep21videoStarQuest Online 2007Jun30videoVanguard: Saga of Heroes 2007Jun19videoEVE Online: Revelations II 2007May24videoDungeon Runners 2007Apr24videoLord of the Rings Online 2007photoCronous 2006Nov29videoEVE Online: Revelations 2006JunvideoDark and Light 2006May26videoAce Online / Space Cowboy Online and here is the url for the list I see from your list....http://www.xtimeline.com/events.aspx?q=Bif200901150058036039230
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:14:00 - [30] Actually you know what.... I'm an idiot, this is nothing new to those that know me, but after I allowed your page on firefox I got page selection options... And then I clicked on them... I'm sorry. I blame Matt.
Lt Angus Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Schalac EDIT: Holy **, 2006????? 2006 what? Quote: Are you kidding me??? that is all that you could find in your extensive research including "almost 70 titles"???? What extensive research? Did you even read my post or did you just read the title? Quote:** And how the hell did you miss EQ, EQ2, FFXI, WOW, ULTIMA.... How the hell did YOU miss them? Are you blind? Did you even look at the timeline? Every one of those is already on the list and all except FFXI were added the day it was created. And even if they were missing, how about you STFU and add them yourself you lazy **ing ingrate? Quote: Ok, I get it you have a project due at university and you want us to do it for you. You caught me. I'm a 31 year old software developer moonlighting as a university student tasked with the chore of building a timeline of MMO releases for my History class. Quote: PFFT. Your list sucks ass. You're an idiot. If you don't like the list, ing add to it, idiot. That's why it's open to be edited by anyone. I didn't put the list together to meet your individual needs. I put the list together, because I found it interesting and I though others would as well and that they'd also want to contribute to the list. I'm not here to **ing serve you. If I was going to wait until I had 300 MMOs on the list before I mentioned "Hey, does anyone want to contribute to this?" what the hell would be the point of asking if anyone anted to contribute to it? Second, if you're going to complain about entries not existing, be sure they don't actually exist. Ok then your list is FUBAR. Here is what I see. 2009Mar10photoEVE Online: Apocrypha 2008Nov27videoThe Chronicles of Spellborn 2008Nov11videoEVE Online: Quantum Rise 2008Oct26photoDomain of Heroes 2008Sep18photoWarhammer: Age of Reckoning 2008Jun10videoEVE Online: Empyrean Age 2008May20videoAge of Conan: Hyborian Adventures 2008Jan22videoPirates of the Burning Sea 2007Dec5videoEVE Online: Trinity 2007Nov2videoTabula Rasa 2007Oct31photoPirates of the Caribbean Online 2007Sep21videoStarQuest Online 2007Jun30videoVanguard: Saga of Heroes 2007Jun19videoEVE Online: Revelations II 2007May24videoDungeon Runners 2007Apr24videoLord of the Rings Online 2007photoCronous 2006Nov29videoEVE Online: Revelations 2006JunvideoDark and Light 2006May26videoAce Online / Space Cowboy Online and here is the url for the list I see from your list....http://www.xtimeline.com/events.aspx?q=Bif200901150058036039230 now go to the next page, omg theres more
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:17:00 - [32] Edited by: Qordel on 16/01/2009 17:17:48 Originally by: Schalac Ok then your list is FUBAR. Here is what I see. 2009Mar10photoEVE Online: Apocrypha 2008Nov27videoThe Chronicles of Spellborn 2008Nov11videoEVE Online: Quantum Rise 2008Oct26photoDomain of Heroes 2008Sep18photoWarhammer: Age of Reckoning 2008Jun10videoEVE Online: Empyrean Age 2008May20videoAge of Conan: Hyborian Adventures 2008Jan22videoPirates of the Burning Sea 2007Dec5videoEVE Online: Trinity 2007Nov2videoTabula Rasa 2007Oct31photoPirates of the Caribbean Online 2007Sep21videoStarQuest Online 2007Jun30videoVanguard: Saga of Heroes 2007Jun19videoEVE Online: Revelations II 2007May24videoDungeon Runners 2007Apr24videoLord of the Rings Online 2007photoCronous 2006Nov29videoEVE Online: Revelations 2006JunvideoDark and Light 2006May26videoAce Online / Space Cowboy Online and here is the url for the list I see from your list....http://www.xtimeline.com/events.aspx?q=Bif200901150058036039230 Uh. Click on the pagination links 1\|2\|3\|4\|>> underneath the list? Or also, click the View Timeline tab and scroll that.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Schalac Edited by: Schalac on 16/01/2009 17:16:48 Actually you know what.... I'm an idiot, this is nothing new to those that know me, but after I allowed your page on firefox I got page selection options... And then I clicked on them... I'm sorry. I blame Matt. Sorry for my **head response to your head response, too, then. No worries. I only use Firefox so I'm not sure how that site's interface appears elsewhere. Apparently not so well! Quote:** EDIT: I still do not see Graal though. Look it up. It was a Zelda mod made into an MMORPG. And it was PVP. Basically it was awesome. I'm actually reading up on Graal right now, since you first mentioned it. I find old MMOs (or at least those that passed by me when I was pre-occupied with other games) fascinating, so this is another interesting title along with some of the others suggested in this thread. Thanks for the tip.
Martin Mckenna Point Blank.	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:23:00 - [34] Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx You need to get out more m8 The fact your posting this tell me you proly also need to To OP nice site. Although you have included all the EVE Online expantions but not included the release date other expansions for other games. The one that springs to mind is Wrath of the Litch King for World of Warcraft. I think if you going to include expantions you need to do it for all games and not just one.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: xXThunder StruckXx You need to get out more m8 The fact your posting this tell me you proly also need to To OP nice site. Although you have included all the EVE Online expantions but not included the release date other expansions for other games. The one that springs to mind is Wrath of the Litch King for World of Warcraft. I think if you going to include expantions you need to do it for all games and not just one. Feel free to add any that you like. :) I'm definitely going to add others when I get around to it, though, unless others beat me to it. My primary goal is to get the main titles added. It'll be easier to follow up with expansions after the list of original releases exists.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Schalac Edited by: Schalac on 16/01/2009 17:16:48 Actually you know what.... I'm an idiot, this is nothing new to those that know me, but after I allowed your page on firefox I got page selection options... And then I clicked on them... I'm sorry. I blame Matt. Sorry for my **head response to your head response, too, then. No worries. I only use Firefox so I'm not sure how that site's interface appears elsewhere. Apparently not so well! Quote:** EDIT: I still do not see Graal though. Look it up. It was a Zelda mod made into an MMORPG. And it was PVP. Basically it was awesome. I'm actually reading up on Graal right now, since you first mentioned it. I find old MMOs (or at least those that passed by me when I was pre-occupied with other games) fascinating, so this is another interesting title along with some of the others suggested in this thread. Thanks for the tip. No worries mate.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:26:00 - [37] I would like to add to this thread. After looking up "Hallway Football" on google, all of those people that you see on youtube are *s. All the people you see on that other than english site are *s and none of them are playing hallway football. Hallway football is a full contact sport that we played in barracks, or any other area with a long, narrow and straight area of passage. There is no passing in hallway football. Your objective is to carry the ball from one end of the hallway to the other, without being brought down. I.E. normal NFL rules of hands and/or knees on the ground after contact with an opposing player. In true hallway football only you are on the controlling team and everyone else involved is on the defense. Once you are down you lob the ball into the air and whoever catches it is now on the offense and they have to get to the opposite side of the hallway that you were going for. It is brutal, our company commanders have banned it, but we still play and I would like to confirm that I score the most in 8 out 10 games that I am involved with, because it's hard to bring us fat bastards to our knees if we know how to run and can carry 1 or 2 people due to training.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Schalac I would like to add to this thread. After looking up "Hallway Football" on google, all of those people that you see on youtube are *s. All the people you see on that other than english site are s and none of them are playing hallway football. Hallway football is a full contact sport that we played in barracks, or any other area with a long, narrow and straight area of passage. There is no passing in hallway football. Your objective is to carry the ball from one end of the hallway to the other, without being brought down. I.E. normal NFL rules of hands and/or knees on the ground after contact with an opposing player. In true hallway football only you are on the controlling team and everyone else involved is on the defense. Once you are down you lob the ball into the air and whoever catches it is now on the offense and they have to get to the opposite side of the hallway that you were going for. It is brutal, our company commanders have banned it, but we still play and I would like to confirm that I score the most in 8 out 10 games that I am involved with, because it's hard to bring us fat bastards to our knees if we know how to run and can carry 1 or 2 people due to training. This sounds like the TailGate incident from the military in the 90s, except instead of trying to escape without being ***d, you're trying to escape with a ball. Awesome. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel You need to add Meridian 59. Sure, the game sucked, but it was definitely a milestone. I thought I had added that. How in the hell did I forget? Must add that to the list. Gracias. By the way, anyone who wants to contribute to the timeline directly can do so. It's editable by anyone signed in there, so you don't have to run it through me. If it shoudl be there, go ahead and throw it on! Love some of these suggestions, too. Thanks. --
SmackaDoom Caldari Tacos Revolution CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:54:00 - [40] You forgot to add the game SubSpace .... public beta was in 1996 and was released in 1997 I wasted several years playing that one
charming wanderer	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Finnroth How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out. Tabula Rasa is still going, it has not closed down... Now I am not saying that it is not going to die soon, as it is still pretty horrible, just that it is not dead yet
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:00:00 - [42] Originally by: charming wanderer Originally by: Finnroth How many MMOs already have died? I know there's Tabula Rasa and Earth and Beyond...anything else? It seems every other MMO, even things like Neocron or Horizons don't really die out. Tabula Rasa is still going, it has not closed down... Now I am not saying that it is not going to die soon, as it is still pretty horrible, just that it is not dead yet February 28th, 2009.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:08:00 - [43] Originally by: SmackaDoom You forgot to add the game SubSpace .... public beta was in 1996 and was released in 1997 I wasted several years playing that one Added. Apparently it still exists as freeware/abandonware and is playable?
SmackaDoom Caldari Tacos Revolution CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: SmackaDoom You forgot to add the game SubSpace .... public beta was in 1996 and was released in 1997 I wasted several years playing that one Added. Apparently it still exists as freeware/abandonware and is playable? as far as I know its still going strong ..... was renamed Continuum and is all player ran now
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:49:00 - [45] Gemstone II needs to be added for 1988 april, Gemstone III Dec 1989 and Gemstone IV for Nov of 2003, i dont feel like registering to become an editor
Vermatrix	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:37:00 - [46] thanks for this post i enjoy timelines on some topics as well. A+++ <-look at my ebay skills!
Victoria Ehr Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 06:59:00 - [47] Hey, what about flyff and hellokitty online? -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Maren Maen	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:26:00 - [48] Someone listed DragonRealms, but forgot Gemstone III (and II, and IV), as well as the other Simu games that came before it. I find that amusing.
Tristin Del'astakhos Gallente Xanadu inc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Tristin Del''astakhos on 17/01/2009 07:37:12 Dransik has the wrong start date, It came out in the fall of 2000. Ashen Empires which is the sequel to Dransik came out in 2003 under the name Drainsk Iso, which changed it's name 9 months later to Ashen Empires. The original dransik was re-released as Dransik Classic around 2005. Another game not on your list was called Diaspora, It was an online 2D space game similar to EVE which came out in 1999 and shut down in 2001. It is notable for two reasons.. First it was similar to EVE, and Second, after it shut down, it spawned several clones written from scratch by fans which still exist to this day. -------------------------------------------------- Tristin Del'astakhos - Seeking employment
Raven Eleashia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.17 07:45:00 - [50] Dragon's Gate, a text-based multi user role-playing game that started in 1996 and was available on a number of commercial online services such as GeNie. 1985 Tempest (ISI) 1991 Dial-up BBS (DC Area Only) Castles II Online 1996 Engage Games Online Rolemaster: Magestorm 1996 Engage Games Online, AOL, Gamestorm Splatterball 1996 Engage Games Online, AOL, Gamestorm Darkness Falls 1997 Engage Games Online, AOL, Gamestorm Rolemaster: Bladelands 1997 Engage Games Online Aliens Online 1998 Gamestorm Starship Troopers: Battlespace 1998 Gamestorm Godzilla Online 1998 Gamestorm Silent Death 1999 Gamestorm, EA.com Darkness Falls: The Crusade 1999 AOL, Gamestorm, Centropolis Spellbinder: The Nexus Conflict 1999 Centropolis, Deutsche Telekom ID4 Online 2000 Centropolis These are all MMO's that Mythic/Mark Jacobs released.
DedGuy Millennium	Posted - 2009.01.17 09:57:00 - [51] Diaspora Released in 2000. Shared many aspects with Eve-O. Loved that game.... 70,000 player accounts, single server, harsh, territorial, awesome trade system.... Sound familiar? Died far too soon.
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:18:00 - [52] Edited by: Franga on 17/01/2009 11:20:14 Posting in a 'Qordel-3000-words-per-post-thread'. EDIT: after having looked at the timeline, I've decided I like it.
Louis DelaBlanche Adam Adamants Emporium Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:56:00 - [53] Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 17/01/2009 11:56:02 Couple more for the list: Face of Mankind (closed indefinately ) Knight Online Carpe Diem (also closed) 9Dragons
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Qordel currently holds almost 70 titles - including all EVE releases - dating back to the very first MUD, through TW2001/2, The Realm and onward. I'm an ex-essex mud, mud-II, mirror world, gods & shades player but I've not really got the time to write those up. Good luck with the project! ps. Do nethack bones files count as persistence?
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Franga Posting in a 'Qordel-3000-words-per-post-thread'. I'll have you know that the limit in any post is 4,000 characters, so I could not possibly write 3000 words in a post! Well, I mean, I could... CCP's forums just don't allow it to actually happen. Strangely, I'm not this verbose in conversation. Yes, I know I have a problem. Thanks for pointing it out. :P Quote: EDIT: after having looked at the timeline, I've decided I like it. Thank you. I really don't have the time or patience to do some uber MMO archival thing. some attempts are already out there, but they all seem to fall a little short of what I'd like. So I might do something like that - using this timeline as a beginning and a guideline for what I do later. Largely, my motivation was just "I can't find this anywhere and I really would like to see it, so I'll do it myself... and hopefully get some help along the way". It's kind of neat to see how many MMOs have come and gone, though. It's good that some still exist so people like myself who are not in their 40s or did not get a start on MMOs very early on can actually have a little taste.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Ticondrius Missed Air Warrior (GEnie) and Air Warrior (AOL). They released in 1993 and 95 respectively I believe. I played both extensively. I can't really find much on this. Do you know of any major sites for it? Or screenshots/dates/etc?
Masumi Vega Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:40:00 - [57] MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's..
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:57:00 - [58] Edited by: Qordel on 18/01/2009 15:58:20 Originally by: Masumi Vega MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's.. I don't see how a MUD isn't an MMO. It involves a lot of players interacting with each other in a persistent online world. The only difference between a MUD or Tradewars and later MMOs is the scope of "massively" where concurrency (number logged in at once) is involved. Meridian 59 most certainly was one of (if not the) first commercial 3D MMO, but it was by no means the first MMO, even if you discounted MUDs. In fact, most of the first MMOs were just MUDs with graphics tacked on. Hell, Neverwinter Nights predates Merdian by five years. --
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:05:00 - [59] If you're serious about this project, you're going to want to check against every title listed in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MMORPGs and http://www.mmogchart.com/
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Masumi Vega MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's.. MUDs are generally to be the first generation of MMOs. The second generation of MMOs would be the first generation of graphical MMOs, more or less. It also depends on how much you care about MUD genealogy. I don't know if some people break them into multiple generations before the graphical MMOs launched.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Masumi Vega MMO is the key word here i dont think many on the list are actually MMO's. The first MMO was around M59 the ones before that i would think do not qualify, especially the MUDS... they were MUDS not MMO's.. MUDs are generally to be the first generation of MMOs. The second generation of MMOs would be the first generation of graphical MMOs, more or less. It also depends on how much you care about MUD genealogy. I don't know if some people break them into multiple generations before the graphical MMOs launched. There's not really even a need to break them up into multiple generations that way, anyway. In a timeline, the simple fact that one doesn't start to appear until a certain year on a timeline itself breaks it up into generations.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:32:00 - [62] Originally by: Qordel There's not really even a need to break them up into multiple generations that way, anyway. In a timeline, the simple fact that one doesn't start to appear until a certain year on a timeline itself breaks it up into generations. This is true. I was more referring to the arbitrary claim of "MMOs started with X", when MMO is a well-defined term and it's generally accepted that MUDs were the first generation of MMOs. I didn't mean that there was an actual need to break MUDs up into generations =)
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:13:00 - [63] dark and light the worst game ive ever played althoguh the map and idea was great the company behind it were terrible, they ran a 3 month? beta of the game that i played and it had no content other than killing npc for exp. they launched the game in a very similat state the beta was in and of course was a terrible failure.
Keshi Linegod Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:36:00 - [64] Very cool project. I have a few additions for you. I would add them myself but I am at work and can not create a account. I might add them latter but I'll post the dates here so I dont have to look up all the dates again. Final Fantasy XI: Rise of Zilart April 17, 2003 Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia September 21, 2004 Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan April 18, 2006 Final Fantasy XI: Wings of the Goddess November 20, 2007 Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed October 27, 2004 Star Wars Galaxies: Rage of the Wookiees May 5, 2005 Star Wars Galaxies: Trials of Obi-Wan November 1, 2005

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