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Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:05:00 -
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Today, Let's look at two things I think everybodies effectively fogotten existed Defender Missiles and Mining Frigates
Has CCP ever explicitly stated that they will look at these two things EVER
Defender Missiles are pretty useless even on paper, they reduce incoming missile damage at the expense that you might be losing around 1/7th of your damage output There is no reason to load them into anything other than a rocket launcher, but you could load them into a citadel torpedo launcher In practice they almost never actually reduce incoming missile damage.
Mining Frigate Bantam, Burst, Tormentor, Navita When was the last time you saw anyone flying one of the things They are out Mined by destroyers you get practically free with the tutorial. And unlike literally every other frigate in the game, these have no Tech II variants.
So anything else even more useless that I've forgotten about them? There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Varesk
Mafia Redux Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:06:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Today, Let's look at two things I think everybodies effectively fogotten existed Defender Missiles and Mining Frigates
Has CCP ever explicitly stated that they will look at these two things EVER
Defender Missiles are pretty useless even on paper, they reduce incoming missile damage at the expense that you might be losing around 1/7th of your damage output There is no reason to load them into anything other than a rocket launcher, but you could load them into a citadel torpedo launcher In practice they almost never actually reduce incoming missile damage.
Mining Frigate Bantam, Burst, Tormentor, Navita When was the last time you saw anyone flying one of the things They are out Mined by destroyers you get practically free with the tutorial. And unlike literally every other frigate in the game, these have no Tech II variants.
So anything else even more useless that I've forgotten about them?
the mining frigates are used by new players to mine. i know, its hard to believe, but they are used.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:08:00 -
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Mining frigates are also given out free in the tutorial missions, and if you don't do the combat tutorials, you don't get a destroyer.
The bonuses on Mining frigs make them definitely worthwhile for the newbie. Destroyers are for salvaging, not mining. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:09:00 -
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I use the Tormenter for lolPvP. And I have one fit for newbie mining somewhere... |
Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:10:00 -
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Varesk wrote:
the mining frigates are used by new players to mine. i know, its hard to believe, but they are used.
Yet unlike every other ship in the game, you can't find another use for it once you "Grow out of it" Even if it's just to make a T2 ship. There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:10:00 -
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It would be nice if defender missile launchers could be fit to utility high slots. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
1013
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:13:00 -
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The Procurer? That's the tiny T1 barge right?
I think I've seen one once, then I ganked it and haven't seen another one since |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:15:00 -
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I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field, reducing the DPS of a tengu fleet while alphafleet does its work. Perhaps its just us who haven't yet cracked the nut on how to employ those mods.
Mining frigs... well, newbs gonna newb i guess |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:16:00 -
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Also, have you ever seen the visual effects of a drakefleet inside a sanctum, with the rats firing defenders? Its quite beautiful. |
Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:17:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field.
Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.
There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
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Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:19:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field, reducing the DPS of a tengu fleet while alphafleet does its work. Perhaps its just us who haven't yet cracked the nut on how to employ those mods.
Mining frigs... well, newbs gonna newb i guess
I thought defender missiles only reduced incoming damage. In other words, you have to fire them to destroy missiles coming at you, therefore, you have to take up a launcher slot and reduce your own outgoing damage. It would be cool to have antimissile frigates or the future equivalent of aegis systems. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
511
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:20:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field. Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.
excactly... it would be more useful to fit a bunch of ECM and small neuts or something. |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:25:00 -
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
423
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:04:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field. Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates. Blackbirds I guess.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:36:00 -
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Defender missiles are useful on interceptors. They can help you last that one little second longer that it takes your gang to get backup points. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:07:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Daneirkus Auralex wrote:I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field. Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.
Well theres your problem right there. |
Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:15:00 -
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Valerie Tessel wrote:[quote=Daneirkus Auralex] It would be cool to have antimissile frigates or the future equivalent of aegis systems. You know that could be a use for the mining frigate and defender missile. Come to think of it a frigate sized logi might be interesting to watch.
There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:36:00 -
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Op you forgot FoF missiles. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:47:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Op you forgot FoF missiles. I actually use FOFs for Guristas missions or any where you can expect not to lock for long periods of time. There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Alara IonStorm
1999
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:48:00 -
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Small Shield Extender 50mm Armor Pates 100mm Armor Plates.
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Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:55:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Small Shield Extender 50mm Armor Pates 100mm Armor Plates.
Micro shield extender. who the **** uses that. and WHY. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Alara IonStorm
1999
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:56:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Small Shield Extender 50mm Armor Pates 100mm Armor Plates.
Micro shield extender. who the **** uses that. and WHY. Heh, I forgot that one, case in point.
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Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:07:00 -
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Speaking of Micro
Micro Smart Bombs.
There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:24:00 -
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Quad Light Beam Lasers.
Coolest looking turret by a long shot, actually does better damage than the caliber above it. With a RoF bonused hull you can actually get cycle time under 1 second with heat. AMAZING! But, it has less range than a frigate weapon. I would give my left nut for a Quad Light Laser that had two thirds the tracking and three halves the range. That's all they'd have to change and this would go from the worst turret in the game to FRIGGIN' AWESOME! |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
47
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:39:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Speaking of Micro
Micro Smart Bombs.
If I remember correctly, the first Titan kill was due to Micro Smart Bombs. And spies. |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:58:00 -
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I've used a Bantam to make oh-crap-I'm-out-of-ammo-right-NOW runs. Wanted frigate-sized speed (A.K.A too lazy to wait for an iteron to align), and it has a cargo capacity bonus. Yay? |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight Rise Against All
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:08:00 -
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AEGIS or CIWS frigate.
Do it. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:11:00 -
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Adacia Calla wrote:AEGIS or CIWS frigate.
Do it. I'm beginning to like this idea, although it would be pretty difficult to balance properly. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
54
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:24:00 -
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Does anyone use the "Armor Layering" mod that gives you 10-15% armor? |
Varesk
Mafia Redux Black Legion.
39
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:54:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Varesk wrote:
the mining frigates are used by new players to mine. i know, its hard to believe, but they are used.
Yet unlike every other ship in the game, you can't find another use for it once you "Grow out of it" Even if it's just to make a T2 ship. .
so, new players need ships. they are there for a purpose. who cares if they dont have any other use and not used when you "grow out of them".
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