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Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:40:00 - [1] This has been an ongoing problem but these systems are just way underpowered for fighting in. You cant get more than 20 to 30 people in a fight, anything over that it just lags and ****s out. This has happened plenty of times over and over. I just happened now with just 50 of us fighting (Petitions in a lot of them). Please CCP if you can add more power add some juice to the Kamela, Kourmonen, Auga, and Amamake systems. This is where the main fights happen most of the time and these systems are the highest traveled etc. I jumped my carrier into a total of 20 people for a Militia fight and I lagged out in Amamake. I finally got unstuck and docked in Amamake and then I logged back in the next day and I was back in Kamela where I cynoed from. Please do something with the systems for Faction Warfare. We like our big fights sometimes and it takes a good amount of time to get into them and once we do it just goes down hill and we cant fight making the game just really not fun. If anything just add more juice to the Kourmonen solar system so if we do have a large fleet fight we at least have one system in that Minmatar and Amarr can go for to fight in without fear of lag.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:48:00 - [2] turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on
Xialigan Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:48:00 - [3] Totally support the OP. I was in the fight couple minutes ago, huge desynch/lag for everyone involved, that's funless.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Xialigan Totally support the OP. I was in the fight couple minutes ago, huge desynch/lag for everyone involved, that's funless. Thats why this is being posted lol, this has gone on too long lol.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:49:00 - [5] It is very bad, and part of the reason why I avoid larger fights. These systems definitely need some more power. If possible I would request the whole of bleaks and heimatar be given some extra help.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Armoured C turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on That has nothing to do with it, my client is set up fine for large fights
Sleet Rameslay Underground-Industries	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:52:00 - [7] Agreed FW node is broke half the time and can't have more than 5v5 without lag. And yes my brackets were off.
Ahab Keat Caldari Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:54:00 - [8] Signed!
Vibora BR	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:55:00 - [9] We really need some love in FW. The need for speed patch didn't arrive in this region. Please fix it ASAP!!!! 60 ships fighting and the game freeze, insane!
Khar Velsox Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:55:00 - [10] Agreed, it gets horrible when there are over 50 guys fighting each other, sometimes this happens even with 20, and tinkering with your overview, brackets or visual settings doesn't help it at all.
ordo malious	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:56:00 - [11] Edited by: ordo malious on 17/01/2009 21:57:01 Even with all the "steps" taken to reduce lag that lag is still very bad. I even gets to the point where the game is unplayable. even with a fight of 40 vs 40 the systems have lagged to a halt. please do something about this CCP. Thanks Signed
Sweden lady Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:56:00 - [12] signed
Graelyn Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:57:00 - [13] /signed. I have fought all over EVE, and the Bleak Lands is the most difficult to do so in that I have encountered.
konjev Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:57:00 - [14] Edited by: konjev on 17/01/2009 21:57:00 Originally by: Armoured C turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on 20v20 with all effects and brackets off makes you lag like hell, been in 200v200 0.0 fights and never lagged more then 20v20 in FW
m4c3	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:57:00 - [15] the lag for the amount of pilots in section of space is stupid. pls get it sorted ccp
DonKardacs	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:58:00 - [16] SIGNED!!! Fix it ASAP!!!!
RaveNight Amarr Ek'u Tan	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:58:00 - [17] Edited by: RaveNight on 17/01/2009 21:58:50 I sign this petition. -RaveNight, Ek'u Tan, Namtz' aar Kin Alliance Minmatar Milita
matt deamon	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:58:00 - [18] matt deamon signs this petition
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Graelyn /signed. I have fought all over EVE, and the Bleak Lands is the most difficult to do so in that I have encountered. i've been in BOBs fleets with 300-500 caps and that lag yeah it was there but it was playable still!!! This is just unplayable with 40 or more in our militia systems.
Derus Grobb	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:58:00 - [20] I was in this fight also. Terrible, terrible lag. Less than 70 ships in the fight. Originally by: Armoured C turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on It wasnt the **ing brackets!!! I was flying with no effects, brackets, none of the other fancy **. Lucky you having fights with 100+ ships. Now try it in Kamela. You'll want to gouge your eyes out.
RavenightNew2	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:00:00 - [21] Edited by: RavenightNew2 on 17/01/2009 21:59:52
Yarly	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:00:00 - [22] Signed
Mark Yaqb	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:00:00 - [23] Edited by: Mark Yaqb on 17/01/2009 22:00:30 signed
Alfred Spangler NoD Imperium	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:01:00 - [24] /signed /signed Doublesigned! Make it happen!
Sir Dagworth	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:04:00 - [25] SIGNED Frankly, all your explanations and excuses to how to improve gameplay in fleet fights are of no concern here, mainly because it was a total "CCP system semi-crash wtf is going on lag" which affected basically 85% of the victims, the 85% of those victim's floating corpses confirm that, although they don't seem to be looking too talkative right now. It was something that your best hardcore 10 000 Euro made for playing EVE computer would have also been affected with so please don't come with the excuses, CCP failed on that one and I seriously hope we get our losses back.
Nephilim Xeno Caldari Pimebeka Mining Corp	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:04:00 - [26] /signed
Nethras Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Jodie Amille It is very bad, and part of the reason why I avoid larger fights. These systems definitely need some more power. If possible I would request the whole of bleaks and heimatar be given some extra help. I'd guess that the lowsec portions of those regions may well be sharing resources with the highsec areas, which may be making server resource allocation a bit less than ideal - 100 people in highsec may well be normal and uneventful for a system, and very unlikely to mean a major PvP fight - in lowsec there's a decent chance that's a fight about to happen, and if the server allocation for those 2 areas is shared and only has number of pilots to go on... I'll admit I wasn't present at the fights mentioned, but with the progress that's been made in allowing the client to handle large fleet battles, the fact that the servers aren't supporting decent sized FW battles is annoying, to say the least. And no, I highly doubt it was client settings, Smog and Jodie wouldn't be posting this if the fleets as a whole weren't all having this problem.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Armoured C turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on thoes systems lag when theirs NO fighting going on.
nova02us	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:05:00 - [29] dido fix it
Carnifex Mortis	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:05:00 - [30] Yup. Signed. The past inside the present.
Graaken Grymes	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:06:00 - [31] Turning off brackets is a placebo. It is obvious that the FW contested systems are in critical need of some dedicated resources. It's the only thing all the factions can agree on.
Tri Vetra Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:06:00 - [32] How the hell am I supposed to kill Smog, if it takes 5 minutes to activate my guns in 30vs30 engagement.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:08:00 - [33] Edited by: Smog890 on 17/01/2009 22:08:24 Originally by: Tri Vetra How the hell am I supposed to kill Smog, if it takes 5 minutes to activate my guns in 30vs30 engagement. How the hell am I suppose to drop my carrier to kill you if I lag out with 20 people I drop it on lol. I'm so glad I did not bring it in to that fight or it would of been stuck between systems with lag lol.
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:10:00 - [34] 40-50ish people and more or less unplayable, nothing to do with brackets etc.. yeah, it is a problem :/
Lady Fuyya Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:14:00 - [35] Signed. Fu o7
Prontalgik	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:19:00 - [36] Signed
Torrelus Toh'Kon	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:25:00 - [37] Faction Warfare - the big initiative by CCP to allow an access route for 'care bears' and 'noobs' to get into the famous PvP that everybody loves. It works to an extent; it gets us out there, putting our ships and our clones on the line to protect those places we call home. Unfortunately it seems almost impossible for us to have fights in which two fleets, of 30+ each, collide in glorous combat! OK, actually we can do that... we just can't SEE the combat, actually experience and enjoy the combat, through the thick curtain of lag!!! True I am one of noobs new to PvP... but when you hear very experienced combat pilots declare in your ear-piece "the LAG!"... well at that point even a noob knows that something needs a serious fixing at the server/networking end. As Smog890 has suggested, even fixing a few systems would help greatly. Surely the server logs should show which FW systems experience most fleet fights and lag spikes; those would be good systems to start with. Smog890 has pointed out 4 of these key systems. To anyone from CCP who reads this thread: thank you for reading, but you encouraged me to PvP here, now please allow me to actually attempt it.
nasty1	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:29:00 - [38] grr yea it sucks more then my ex did im an fc and lag is soo un-cool more power, in 0.0 you say fights are 400 vs 400, we have at most 50 vs 50, half will lag, even 20 vs 20, WW.2 did not lag did it we have fights 24\7, 2-3 major fights a day more power, make a prog that will scan a pc and say wot the week points are you can even have a prog that will scan the ram when eve is runing and it will give us info, if indeed it is us i bet you are hard at work on it with a beer in hands
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:39:00 - [39] Originally by: nasty1 grr yea it sucks more then my ex did i bet you are hard at work on it with a beer in hands LOL i'm trying to FC with a beer in my hand but the lag is stopping me from doing so .
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:43:00 - [40] There's an odd, yet compelling silence when people are asked whether their turrets are activating
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Graaken Grymes Turning off brackets is a placebo. It is obvious that the FW contested systems are in critical need of some dedicated resources. It's the only thing all the factions can agree on. Lag has actually been pretty good up in Tama/OMS
Jbobj Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:09:00 - [42] Its been particularly bad today. Lost two ships in Battles where I was unable to activate anything or warp off. Podded both times as well :/
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:20:00 - [43] well if it not brackets then i guess you do need a node
Nostradamus Negulesco	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:22:00 - [44] Signed
mentalmonkey Gallente Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:20:00 - [45] /signed. Tama / OMS lag is awful even at less than 100 player engagments, Only advantage is it does give our dominixes the edge over ravens. Primary calling is hell, in an engment in OMS in which the gallente militia destroyed a PERV carrier the lag was so awful, I had 4 targets locked with full HP which I knew to be dead, even warping wouldn't clear them. Tonight saw a 70 man gallente fleet, although caldari did not engage I think it gives an idication that engagements are getting larger again and with current lag most fleet fights are unplayable. CCP please incease resources for tama / OMS.
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:43:00 - [46] /signed And it's certainly not a settings issue, I've changed nothing since I left 0.0. The lag in Black Rise is just plain worse.
Onionico Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.18 03:36:00 - [47] The lag around amarr/minmatar clusters was fine when I was there. FW's problem isn't lag - it's the friggin pointlessness of it.
CyanideX	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:55:00 - [48] /signed
Garr Anders Minmatar Thukk U	Posted - 2009.01.18 08:47:00 - [49] /signed (maybe raise/move this issue in the CSM forums ?)
Number 86 Eat Ship and Die	Posted - 2009.01.18 08:59:00 - [50] /signed 30v30 fight tonight ended with more than half of the fleet needing to relog mid engagement to be able to fight.
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:51:00 - [51] buy a good pc. And a good internet connection. Same happend to us. We had a 10 vs 60 fight. Half our gang was lagged out. No problem on my side... and I ran 2 clients... I think it is just weird that half has a problem and the other half doesn't.... That doesn't sound like lag to me...
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.01.18 12:21:00 - [52] When I was in the militia, after I learned to turn brackets and effects off, I could handle 200+ fights on the Gallente-Caldari front easily. Maybe your militias just suck?
ordo malious	Posted - 2009.01.18 13:28:00 - [53] Edited by: ordo malious on 18/01/2009 13:28:24 Originally by: Eran Laude When I was in the militia, after I learned to turn brackets and effects off, I could handle 200+ fights on the Gallente-Caldari front easily. Maybe your militias just suck? If this was true then how come in many fights everyone reports the game lagging to the point of not being able to play?
Lt Pizi Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.01.18 13:45:00 - [54] /signed FW is supoesed to bring ppl to pvp but with the current lag its more a turnaway no brackets, minimal setting and i desync in 40/40 for minutes
achoura	Posted - 2009.01.18 14:03:00 - [55] Firstly this is the wrong place to post this Secondly this is a two part problem, the fist being the design of the fw system inherently similar to the o.o sov system, it encourages everyone to pile into the same place (or run off alone in a frig) but the reality is the archaic state of lowsec. As anyone who has lived in lowsec will tell you it's a pain in the arse, not because it's difficult, but because getting supplies into silly length pipes. Fw was designed around ppl who were afraid of lowsec, to get them to come in, fight then go home to safe high sec; a better system would have encouraged living in lowsec since as you'll notice if you look around, in every fw region almost all fighting is done in the two or three systems connected to high sec because they can't get supplies or get through. This is the other hole in lowsec design, the lay out. You see, in high sec, and 0.0 even, there is always a way around but in lowsec there's always only one, you can go through it or you cant go again forcing ppl to go through one small space, if they go alone they die so everyone groups up... Or better, parts of lowsec isolated from the rest, regions that can only be accessed via one entry from there other half of the eve universe.. Anyway, they're redesigning 0.0 to give multiple simultaneous capture points to spread ppl out but until this happens with lowsec, more importantly until ccp add more jumps and actually give players other than pirates a reason to live there you will always have the lag because no matter how upgraded the hardware becomes you will still have everyone trying to fight in the same place at the same time again and again and again... *The EVE servers and their patches*
Forgotten Deity	Posted - 2009.01.18 14:35:00 - [56] Signed
Aurora Nyx Caldari Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.01.18 14:54:00 - [57] /signed Don't underestimate how crap the FW area is.
Zyck KDS Navy	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:24:00 - [58] Signed for the Caldari/Gallente pipe as well. We can't get more than 40 ships in a fight without epic desynchage and ridiculous lag. And even then it's a matter of luck for anything more than 30. Something has to be done, because this is just stupid.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:15:00 - [59] bump
Bironti	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:44:00 - [60] Faction warfare is so horribly put together ccp should not even have bothered. Give it some love already.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:36:00 - [61] bump
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:18:00 - [62] Double the server strength of every node. That would be good.
Yelan Zhou Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:11:00 - [63] /signed. at least Kourmonen needs some more power.I dont know about the Gallente/Caldari front but there must be surely a similar system who needs more power.
Freia Lenneth The Wings of Maak	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:25:00 - [64] /Signed and all, more hamsters pretty please.
decoherance Gallente The Black Ark	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:24:00 - [65] /signed
BopShuBop	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:24:00 - [66] FW has become unplayable in any fight of more than 5v5. massive lag and desync happens every fight, CCP please fix it.
Fratro	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:36:00 - [67] We need faster/bigger servers for Tama/OMS/Kedama/Heyd systems. I assume the same for Amarr vs Minnie.
Feral Lady	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:10:00 - [68] I agree. I have a main in an 0.0 alliance and when I compare similar sized fights in 0.0 to FW fights there is a definite difference of server resources. FW core fight systems need more server support.
Nuuskur Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:02:00 - [69] /signed
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:04:00 - [70] /signed. CCP's key attraction in Eve atm is FW and nobody can play it properly for all the lag. Fix please, or start saying bye bye to fights in FW.
Stef Hammer	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:04:00 - [71] /signed
dame death Minmatar Primal Directive 7-B	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:10:00 - [72] /signed and dated
Zila Degan	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:11:00 - [73] Signed
Jahna Yual	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:13:00 - [74] Edited by: Jahna Yual on 20/01/2009 22:13:29
Ultra Power Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:14:00 - [75] Signed
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:18:00 - [76] not only does this screw up fights while they happen - it has now gone beyond that and keeps fights from happening in the first place also - some awesome disconnects in a ~50 man fight today :/
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:20:00 - [77] Originally by: Eran Laude When I was in the militia, after I learned to turn brackets and effects off, I could handle 200+ fights on the Gallente-Caldari front easily. Maybe your militias just suck? From your stats on the Gallente Kill board the biggest fight you ever had was a 40v40. When did the Militias start putting together 100 man fleets? Maybe you didn't read the thread properly but people from 0.0 are saying it's Black Rise that is the problem.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:24:00 - [78] /bump, signed. lost two ships to lag so far...and these were SMALL fights 30ish people total.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.01.21 05:40:00 - [79] bump
Lelouch DeGilead Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.01.21 05:44:00 - [80] /signed Amarr/Minmatar areas should be given more nodes to reduce lag. Even though I turn off all the brackets before going into battles, I still see lags and that really could be costly...for me at least
Corewin NoD Imperium	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:06:00 - [81] Yup /Signed. This has really gotten out of hand. When faction warfare first came out and the months following that release, fleet fights between Gallente and Caldari militias would range in size from 100 to 140 man engagements on average. Although complained about on occasion, large fleets were and still are the main stay of most of the militias. However, the difference between then and now is the stability of these lowsec regions. Ill agree that lag is part of the game, but it does not excuse why lag which was completely managable at the beginning of faction warfare, has literally become the exact opposite. Perhapes we could get a Dev response concerning the details of the utter castration of lowsec and FW stability? When entire fleets suffer the exact same problem, aka 30 or more people all desyncing and being unable to do anything, it becomes difficult to write it off as a personal computer issue. If I was able to see, target, and shoot hostile targets in large fleet engagements before on my old computer, which was significantly less powerful than the one I returned with and run eve on now, why then does eve lag more using the same set up I had on my old computer? CPU, Ram, Graphics Card, all check out fine, computers in this case are a nonissue. There is something seriously wrong with lowsec and it needs to be addressed and delt with. Militia fleets are spontanious and engagements happen in any number of systems, that being said, the ability to simply petition and ask for more power on a specific system is pretty much impossible to predict.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:10:00 - [82] On the plus side. The lag is making it more difficult for them to catch our small plexing fleets at gates. Profit!
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Eran Laude When I was in the militia, after I learned to turn brackets and effects off, I could handle 200+ fights on the Gallente-Caldari front easily. Turning off the brackets did help for me, but there is still an unacceptable amount of lag in a fleet fight in FW, which doesn't exist in large fleet fights in 0.0. Improvements have been made over time, and it is a lot better than it used to be in many respects, but the FW fleet battles do need some work. The blades that are used for the 0.0 fights should also be used for FW systems (maybe a separate blade(s), if their resources can stretch that far). However, rather than 'scheduling' a fight, perhaps they could put the whole Black Rise region on it (and the corresponding Amarr / Minmatar zone). If resources are tight, perhaps they can use a 'top ten', and place on the blade the systems that are the most active in the past 24 hours. I would expect Tama and Old Man Star to be almost permanently on this list, but if it's dynamic, it could help move the battles around according to the territory held. This does need to happen, as FW has proved to be a very good way of getting non-PVPers involved in that side of the game, but many people have been put off due to the lag issue. This side of things does need some love if factional warfare is to be continued (or escalated), and I hope this will be part of the next expansion.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:41:00 - [84] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Eran Laude When I was in the militia, after I learned to turn brackets and effects off, I could handle 200+ fights on the Gallente-Caldari front easily. Maybe your militias just suck? From your stats on the Gallente Kill board the biggest fight you ever had was a 40v40. When did the Militias start putting together 100 man fleets? Maybe you didn't read the thread properly but people from 0.0 are saying it's Black Rise that is the problem. It is rare to see fleets get above 80, although 40+ is fairly regular. However, it has been noticeably harder to get a fleet of that size together of late, which does suggest that people are just not getting involved in FW as much as they did, which is a terrible shame.
Nuuskur Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:41:00 - [85] When you see two thirty man gangs refusing to jump into eachother because they know that the one doing the jump will die from lag, you know something is wrong. And yes, experience has shown that serverside lag will cause the fleet doing the jump to lose about 70% of their ships to lag. I run a pretty good machine and when I don't desynch I get 40-50fps nicely with all the effects etc. on in a 60 man fight, but good FPS is useless when you have 2-3 minute module activation delay.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:32:00 - [86] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 21/01/2009 12:33:53 You remember this news item: Quote: Planning a large fleet fight? Please let us know Tuesday December 4 2008 14.26 For some time now, we have been monitoring requests sent via stuck petition to GM's for notifications of incoming fleet battles. Where possible, we have been placing these systems on high powered blades to ensure you get the best server performance possible in your fleet fight. To reduce load on the GM's and to get these requests where they need to go as quickly as possible, we now have a system for you to notify our virtual world operations team of these fights directly. If you are planning to have a large fleet engagement, please tell us using the following form: http://myeve.eve-online.com/fleetfightnotification.asp Rules * Abuse of this system will NOT be tolerated. * All notifications are linked to your user account and we will not put up with any shenanigans. * Only corporation directors are able to send notifications. * Please notify us only if you expect the operation to exceed 300 pilots in the engagement (ie. 150 vs 150). * Notifications must be at least 24h in advance, as we re-map these systems during downtime. * These notifications go to Virtual World Operations (the Tranquility admin team), Internal Affairs and Lead Game Masters. FW problem is twofold with node assignation: - you can't predict if there will be a big battle, so you can't notify the battle in advance; - most of the time the system have a low occupancy, so the auto allocation of the nodes at downtime (that from wath we know is based on average use) give those system a low priority, sharing the same node with several systems. There is no cure for the first problem, so probably you will never get a single node assigned to each of your systems, for the second problem a thread in the Assembly hall section of the forum would probably help giving the system an higher priority. Edit: breaking wall of text in the quote
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:29:00 - [87] Originally by: Venkul Mul FW problem is twofold with node assignation: - you can't predict if there will be a big battle, so you can't notify the battle in advance; - most of the time the system have a low occupancy, so the auto allocation of the nodes at downtime (that from wath we know is based on average use) give those system a low priority, sharing the same node with several systems. There is no cure for the first problem, so probably you will never get a single node assigned to each of your systems, for the second problem a thread in the Assembly hall section of the forum would probably help giving the system an higher priority. There are a number of criteria for working out the systems needed to be placed on the blade. Firstly, the map already shows ships destroyed and podkills in the last 24 hours, so we have metrics there, and there is also a 'top five' that shows on the militia board. Going by this, it may lag behind specific trends (say a large operation in Indreguelle or Tannolen, which are both slightly off the beaten track), but popular areas tend to remain quite high on these metrics (the Old Man Star to Tama pipes, for instance). Most systems may have low occupancy most of the time, but that wouldn't be used as a metric. You can't predict where a large battle will take place, that's true, but there are certain probabilities. For example, you are fairly safe to assume some large battles will occur in Old Man Star, Heydielies, Kedama, Sujarento and Tama, and on a fairly regular basis. This can't be done in 0.0, because the border zones between territories are dynamic and shifting. However, with FW, there are certain routes which will always be busy, and will not change.
Napro Caldari Napro's Ninja Salvaging LLC	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:11:00 - [88] signed
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:16:00 - [89] Originally by: Armoured C turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on i agree with this, that, and turn off drone models to put it into perspecitve, i jumped into a somewhat random 00 system yesterday, and there was a 75 man battle on the other side of the gate, i had all brackets on screen, INCLUDING drone models, and my computer still didnt lag out, and believe me, i have a very crappy computer so, turn off drone MODELS in Esc menu, that will still keep the drone brackets on, should you need them, but when you "look at" them, they are tiny white dots flying around then turn off brackets to be honest, i think drones / fighters are the cause of most lag (assuming their models are switched on), and if you do everything else right, lag should be cut down to a minimum
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:31:00 - [90] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 to put it into perspecitve, i jumped into a somewhat random 00 system yesterday, and there was a 75 man battle on the other side of the gate, i had all brackets on screen, INCLUDING drone models, and my computer still didnt lag out, and believe me, i have a very crappy computer It's not the 0.0 systems that are the problem. It's the lowsec around Black Rise and the Minmatar / Amarr equivalent.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:49:00 - [91] All these graphical adjustment tips are great an' all, but it's not really graphical lag that's the problem here - it's the lack of resources dedicated to these areas of space. We can all turn our fancy graphics but until CCP sticks the FW systems on a better node/blade/whatever, it's going to suck hard for anyone wanting to pewpew.
Warmal Thunker State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:37:00 - [92] Lag in Tama was bad again yesterday. FPS in the client was fine but targeting was not working and overview status was out of sync. CCP are you even reading these forums? Can we get a response?
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:36:00 - [93] Tbh everyone effected should write a petition.
MobyMule Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:31:00 - [94] Signed
Torrelus Toh'Kon	Posted - 2009.01.22 20:22:00 - [95] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Tbh everyone effected should write a petition. Some of us have been. I personally sent one at the same time that this thread was started. I got a response this morning. In the petition I included a link to this thread. Quote: Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. Sorry to hear about your loss. Fleet-battles are known to cause heavy server loads. Those involved need to be aware of it and be prepared to deal with the consequences. Lacking means of verification we are bound by our reimbursement policy (located at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp) which stipulates that we can only compensate through verification, which we are unable to do in this case. I understand this is not the way you would have wanted to lose your ship. This is indeed frustrating, unfortunately in this case there is nothing I can do, I am sorry. I hope you will recover swiftly from this loss. Note that I have already brought this to the attention of the proper people. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact us again. Best regards, GM **** EVE Online Customer Support I am about to send a my own response to this with some questions. In the hope that we (not just my petition) now truely do have the "attention of the proper people", I will also post my questions here. Maybe one of the routes will get a further response. 1) In Faction Warfare systems endorsed by CCP, the deffinition of "heavy server load", is a fraction of that allowable for unpredictable 0.0 warfare? Seriously? 2) "Lacking means of verification"; server logs do NOT show an entire star system, with a the few douzen occupants, lagging for quite some time? The primary engagement lasted 6 minutes, the system wide lag lasted far longer (according to the voice comms of those of us trying to escape by repeatedly warping in random directions, and those still viewing the battle from long range). 3) "The general rule is that we must be able to verify that your loss should not have occured during normal gameplay." http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp; So Faction Warfare players are to assume that the non-viability of small fleet combat (30 vs 30), is considered 'normal' operation or at least not considered a problem?
Graelyn Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.22 20:57:00 - [96] Nice to see this getting the form letter response. The Anti-Wall of Text.
La Seraph	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:14:00 - [97] major /signed
Psyflame	Posted - 2009.01.23 04:19:00 - [98] Just had a fight in Old Man Star. Massive lag on both sides. I desynched almost immediately, warped out and got an "entering space" message about 15 times before I was able to warp back to the gate. I got back to the gate and the lag cleared up slightly, but half my gang had already disconnected or warped out to try to fix the lag. We had people 6+ jumps away in their pods before they suddenly appeared in station in their clone. Pls fix lag.
Deks Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.23 04:24:00 - [99] was there in OMS too lost 600M in plants etc i can afford the loss but would like to at least participate in fights. CCP i am losing respect for you! fix the lagg or stop bragging about the game experience you are so unable to provide! lagg is ghey CCP are profitting from lies (see Jita Scammers ) _______________________________________________ A man by any other name is a surely a woman :/
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.23 04:29:00 - [100] Lag in Black Rise is getting ridiculous. Not more than 70 people in Local and we have people almost 6 jumps away from the battle in their pods suddenly appear back in cloning stations? Bull****. Somewhere in the Quantum Rise expansion the Region lost power because we can't even run 20 man fleets now without massive desync. Fix it.
Pericles Redstorm Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.23 04:44:00 - [101] Same lag when fight started de-sinked then got the entering space message about 15 times, and each time the message appeared double of the same target where there. it was a small 30 vs. 30 fight. there shouldn't be near that ammount of lag in a fight that size.
Rumless	Posted - 2009.01.23 04:49:00 - [102] Please fix the lag in black rise. The performance right now is really just unacceptable. I shouldn't see things on my monitor that occurred several minutes ago, running in loops.
Anya Stroud	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:19:00 - [103] This sounds more like the 300 vs 300 fights in 0.0 before QR....
Ima Minar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:26:00 - [104] signed
Jane Macloan	Posted - 2009.01.23 15:36:00 - [105] I remember two weeks ago hearing FC saying something like "ok gentlemen, fight is over, only wrecks on the battlefield" while I was sitting in my pod, still watching the pew pew that occured 10 minutes ago. That was kind of fun -lag is a great time machine.
Warmal Thunker State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:51:00 - [106] I was a the fight last night, sitting 150k out from the blob. Fight started was able to shoot at two ship until the lag hit me like a brick in the face. I had similar entering space message repeating. Closed my client and logged in again. When I warped in again there were almost no Caldari left on the vill gate in oms but I was back in at 150k off with at that time relatively little lag. I got to kill a few more ships and pods that were not responding. (I assumed they were lagging.) Could we get some more info from the CCP devs about what happened here? The server logs must show something (even if they show no lag at the server level) This fight started at 2009-01-23 03:44:00 (see km at: http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=80020)
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.23 22:27:00 - [107] up you go
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:33:00 - [108] /Sign'in this
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:36:00 - [109] have they put your brave warriors onto your own node?, those battles can be hetic sometimes hope CCP sorts this out for you
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:40:00 - [110] yeh ccp, in FW we're getting desynch-type effects even in smallish fleets (10ish per side).
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:42:00 - [111] just keep powering through, and hopefully they realize this soon
Arri Gato Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.24 02:59:00 - [112] /signed fix now!
Alex Raptos Caldari The Firestorm Millennium	Posted - 2009.01.24 03:05:00 - [113] Factional warfare needs more than just "Power to the servers"
Victoria Ehr Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.24 05:41:00 - [114] That lag last night in OMS hurt my eyes, everyone is experiencing it in the fights. Gotta hope CCP addresses the issue soon or people will leave FW due to lag alone, would be a shame. -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
dasarius Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.24 09:47:00 - [115] Most definately /signed I resubbed for Faction warfare pretty much, and i suddenly find that small fights 20v 20 etc are having the worst kind of desynch imaginable. For a system that was one of the major attractions of an expansion its just NOT good enough.... fix it CCP
Eran Mintor Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.01.24 11:37:00 - [116] /signed Heimatar & Bleak Lands need some extra server node love.
SirFett Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.24 11:49:00 - [117] this is so 2003/2004/2005/2006/2007/2008 seriously thou guys i feel for you
YORK CRAFT Caldari KRAFTWERK	Posted - 2009.01.24 18:54:00 - [118] signed - unplayable lag issue confirmed in black rise systems of about freakin 40ppl in lokal. and dont give a 03 toon a graphical display advise, peps.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2009.01.24 18:59:00 - [119] It has to do with probability bubbles Each drone has its own. Nerf gallente.
Torrelus Toh'Kon	Posted - 2009.01.24 22:45:00 - [120] In my post of 2009.01.22 (post 95 in this thread), I quoted in full the response I recieved from a GM regarding a petition I filled following a simple 30-30 fleet fight of lag. In that post I then declared the questions I would be sending to the GM. In my mail to the unfortunate GM I also preceeded the questions with a rant. Anyway, here follows the answers I recieved from the GM on 2009.01.23 - Quote: Hi Torrelus Toh'Kon, I see you have taken time to reply with pertinent arguments (even the ranting part). "1) In Faction Warfare systems endorsed by CCP, the definition of "heavy server load", is a fraction of that allowable for unpredictable 0.0 warfare? Seriously?" It is possible for players to request node reinforcement for 1 system where they believe a fleet battle will take place at least 24 hours in advance. This possibility is available in both 0.0 and low security space. "2) "Lacking means of verification"; server logs do NOT show an entire star system, with a the few dozen occupants, lagging for quite some time?" I am afraid we are unable to verify who lagged and who did not in a fleet battle, I am sorry. "3) "The general rule is that we must be able to verify that your loss should not have occurred during normal gameplay." http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp; So Faction Warfare players are to assume that the non-viability of small fleet combat (30 vs 30), is considered 'normal' operation or at least not considered a problem?" Lag issues are always considered as a problem. Unfortunately except forwarding the issues to the proper people, I am afraid there is little customer support can do. On a side note, you may perhaps want to bring this matter to the attention of the CSM by creating a topic on the Council of Stellar Management (CSM) boards and get people to support it. The CSM will then bring the issue to the attention of CCP's developers. Here is a link to the assembly hall boards: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=752166 Best regards, GM **** Eve Online Customer Support So there you have it. We, in Faction Warefare, do actually have the option of petitioning for star systems to be upgraded to battle ready server, just as 0.0 players do. Unfortunately as we all know that will not help us since we don't know where battles will be. Server logs don't show the lag recieved at the player end. Also the GMs can't help us, beyond forwarding the complaints to the proper people; which this GM said he had done for me earlier this week. On to the CSM then. I will be reviewing their boards next week (looking for suitable existing threads, or starting a new one), and petitioning there. I encourage all of you to do the same.
Pericles Redstorm Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.25 02:45:00 - [121] They say we can request server support for a fight 24 hours before is great....but for frekin 30 vs. 30 WTH!! this last summer we had 70+ vs 70+ fights and we didn't even receive half the lag we do now in theses small fleets.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:11:00 - [122] GM says that we can request server support for fights. Fleet fight notification pages state 300+ players else banstick. Clarification plox?
BloodyWomble	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:59:00 - [123] Originally by: Smog890 Edited by: Smog890 on 17/01/2009 22:20:18 This has been an ongoing problem but these systems are just way underpowered for fighting in. You cant get more than 20 to 30 people in a fight, anything over that it just lags and **s out. This has happened plenty of times over and over. I just happened now with just 50 of us fighting (Petitions in a lot of them). Please CCP if you can add more power add some juice to the Kamela, Kourmonen, Auga, and Amamake systems. This is where the main fights happen most of the time and these systems are the highest traveled etc. I jumped my carrier into a total of 20 people for a Militia fight and I lagged out in Amamake. I finally got unstuck and docked in Amamake and then I logged back in the next day and I was back in Kamela where I cynoed from. Please do something with the systems for Faction Warfare. We like our big fights sometimes and it takes a good amount of time to get into them and once we do it just goes down hill and we cant fight making the game just really not fun. If anything just add more juice to the Kourmonen solar system so if we do have a large fleet fight we at least have one system in that Minmatar and Amarr can go for to fight in without fear of lag. This is kinda what we where using in that fleet fight when the lag hit us all (both sides). But this happens every time when we get in fleet fights like this!!! Link to KB Fight Note: KM's might be missing as always so, but as you can see nobody should of lagged with what we where doing. Also if you ask why I'm not on the fleet fight I was sitting in a capital that I'm glad I did not drop in because of that lag. ALSO, please let us know that you are looking into it if at all CCP so I can stop petitioning it and having people pester you about it Be quiet you nonce. * warfare is ****e enough without you opening you whingy pie hole. Having heard you on voice comm the above is known to be factual. Just play the game as it is and stop screwing every corp you join you ass bandit.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.25 18:44:00 - [124] Originally by: BloodyWomble Be quiet you nonce. * warfare is **e enough without you opening you whingy pie hole. Having heard you on voice comm the above is known to be factual. Just play the game as it is and stop screwing every corp you join you ass bandit. Charming. Imo without smog and the other docketeers, we'd have nobody to play station games with when the server's too laggy for large fights.
Derus Grobb Selectus Pravus Lupus	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:01:00 - [125] I petitioned the fight that started this thread and got a reply. They are aware of our problem and are looking into juicing up their resource allocation apparently. I seriously hope this is the case. And although they are our enemies, I hope the Amarr mention it in their prayers too. Let me be clear again that the client was not the issue - it was very definately the servers just not coping with the number of pilots or systems they're allocated to.
YORK CRAFT Caldari KRAFTWERK	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:50:00 - [126] Originally by: Spoon1 With fights like this you have nothing to worry about... http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=100635 I feel sorry about that dude Spoon1, who posted this in another thread, to show the world his uber abilities. Np, I know, our beloved enemies are not standing behind that kinda "stuff", who want real fights. - Well therefor, this battle indicates, as an example of many others, not even a major lag, it was a TOTAL DESYNCT of fleet. - But you know, what Im talking about. Both sides set presssure on ccp to fix that mess. (Just for info : I do have a battle ratio of 73% and an efficiency of 90%, go for my stats on the KBs, np) But congrat frogs and minies, that you showed some balls. It could have been such a real good fight, SHAME ON CCP. We all know, this major problem, could be done within one single Downtime. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Doctor Mahbuse	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:09:00 - [127] It is easy explained why people cry about faction warfare lag. It's not that there is more lag, but the people who fight there are noobs. They don't turn off effects, they play on high resolutions, they have sounds on, they don't remove brackets and don't zoom out. That's why they have more lag than mature pvp players. It's the whine-fest of inexperienced noobs, no need for action from CCP.
Doctor Mahbuse	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:23:00 - [128] Originally by: YORK CRAFT Originally by: Spoon1 With fights like this you have nothing to worry about... http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=100635 I feel sorry about that dude Spoon1, who posted this in another thread, to show the world his uber abilities. Np, I know, our beloved enemies are not standing behind that kinda "stuff", who want real fights. - Well therefor, this battle indicates, as an example of many others, not even a major lag, it was a TOTAL DESYNCT of fleet. - But you know, what Im talking about. Both sides set presssure on ccp to fix that mess. (Just for info : I do have a battle ratio of 73% and an efficiency of 90%, go for my stats on the KBs, np) But congrat frogs and minies, that you showed some balls. It could have been such a real good fight, SHAME ON CCP. We all know, this major problem, could be done within one single Downtime. Nice link, but what a loss of an entire fleet, you guys should learn how to minimise lag, see my post above. Besides that, i think you are not fitting your scorp well. Half shieldtank in meds, only 1 jamming bonus module in lows, 3 shieldrings on a scorp makes no sense whatsoever. Listen to a scorp-pro: If you like to tank your scorp go with jammers/sensor boosters/eccm in medslots, armour plates (or repper) and ecm bonus mods in lows and jamming bonus rigs (they are very cheap). This way you will have more jammers, higher jam strength and live longer for the same costs.
YORK CRAFT Caldari KRAFTWERK	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:42:00 - [129] Thanks for the advice. - But dont tell a '03 Toon something about graphical display settings and fitting (especially when that scorp is on range within a fleet, defending successfuly against fast tacklers and/or T2 Cruisers). And btw, as you can see : I am not, and lots of others in FW are not noobs. We know, what were talking about in here, dude.
Eran Mintor Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:46:00 - [130] Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse It is easy explained why people cry about faction warfare lag. It's not that there is more lag, but the people who fight there are noobs. They don't turn off effects, they play on high resolutions, they have sounds on, they don't remove brackets and don't zoom out. That's why they have more lag than mature pvp players. It's the whine-fest of inexperienced noobs, no need for action from CCP. This is definately not the case.
Spoon1 Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:28:00 - [131] Edited by: Spoon1 on 26/01/2009 03:29:17 Wow York. Seems like I hit a soft spot somwhere in there, you have posted about me in 3 threads. Yes the servers are bad in the area. But its not like if affects only one group of people. We all have to deal with, and while I would like it to be fixed (as mentioned above if they are looking into it, awesome! _b _b) just keep your heads down and keep slogging on. And also York, by all means keep fitting your battleships they way you have been. Ssssh no one give them caldari advice please ;)
YORK CRAFT Caldari KRAFTWERK	Posted - 2009.01.26 04:52:00 - [132] K, wanne show you a possitive proof, what was serverside easy doable before that total desync ness nowadays, np. You can see tons of domis with drones, btw. this kind of battles were once possible and, very interesting!, against all lag or desync odds, doing a nice and smoth job ... this were we jumped into a gatecamp Sidenote : 68k damage recieved (not bad for a "you called" shty caldari fitting, on a caldari boat with ECM and Shield bonuses. For your fitting advise : you need a new caldari shipclass with armor bonuses and 6 lowslots, still without being able to fit a smartbomb,to pop ya drones, and neutraliser, aye). but atleast, nice to see, Spoon, you agree that something MUST be done SOON !
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.01.26 14:21:00 - [133] Mahbuse, you're a fool if you think FW noobs are the reason it lags so much. There are a great deal of very experienced players in FW and every one of us knows how to set up a client properly. Stfu, seriously.
Psyflame ZiTek Deepspace Explorations	Posted - 2009.01.26 20:39:00 - [134] Edited by: Psyflame on 26/01/2009 20:40:35 Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse It is easy explained why people cry about faction warfare lag. It's not that there is more lag, but the people who fight there are noobs. They don't turn off effects, they play on high resolutions, they have sounds on, they don't remove brackets and don't zoom out. That's why they have more lag than mature pvp players. It's the whine-fest of inexperienced noobs, no need for action from CCP. Obvious troll is obvious. Why do you hide behind an alt? The lag is server side.
Doctor Mahbuse	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:53:00 - [135] Originally by: Psyflame Edited by: Psyflame on 26/01/2009 20:40:35 Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse It is easy explained why people cry about faction warfare lag. It's not that there is more lag, but the people who fight there are noobs. They don't turn off effects, they play on high resolutions, they have sounds on, they don't remove brackets and don't zoom out. That's why they have more lag than mature pvp players. It's the whine-fest of inexperienced noobs, no need for action from CCP. Obvious troll is obvious. Why do you hide behind an alt? The lag is server side. If you are constantly killed because of lag, why doesn't your enemy has no lag then ? It's either a cheap excuse for a fleet failure or you have lag because you don't have the right settings. As soon as there are plenty of people not having any lag at all, it can't be serverside. Lagged out in a 30v30 engagement, rofl, do you expect anyone will believe you ?
Blastil	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:54:00 - [136] I'm torn between supporting this so I don't lag out in lowsec, or hating this and telling you to adapt by not blobbing and fly smaller gangs.
lwater	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:49:00 - [137] totally support, check those pods' loses. signed
Minmatar Citizen 290574	Posted - 2009.01.28 06:39:00 - [138] on this note ccp should do the same for all the providence sys... aka home of the blobs... __________________________________________________ I wear my sunglasses....
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:05:00 - [139] Originally by: Pericles Redstorm They say we can request server support for a fight 24 hours before is great....but for frekin 30 vs. 30 WTH!! this last summer we had 70+ vs 70+ fights and we didn't even receive half the lag we do now in theses small fleets. Last summer average people on line was under 30K for most of the day. So server load was less. Now we are in winter and server population is alwayis higher (and so lag higher) in winter.
Ergebt Euch	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:47:00 - [140] bump
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:59:00 - [141] Edited by: ollobrains2 on 29/01/2009 10:00:30 Edited by: ollobrains2 on 29/01/2009 09:59:35 Edited by: ollobrains2 on 29/01/2009 09:59:26 Edited by: ollobrains2 on 29/01/2009 09:59:04 actually hold tight guys u may find youre nodes work better after march 10 - 15 to support this new expansion and the 2500 wormhole systems i think ccp are buying a lot of new servers and that will add support i think for all areas
Harri Bar	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:44:00 - [142] signed, fix it please
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:44:00 - [143] Yet another 30vs30 gang fight in FW results in massive server meltdown. Isn't it time someone fixed this ****?
Zanco Ceal Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:44:00 - [144] this is a problem
Abbrock Armarda Amarr Vitiosus Eventus	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:44:00 - [145] Edited by: Abbrock Armarda on 01/02/2009 18:44:16 signed is sucks please fix it
trigger99	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:44:00 - [146] signed. everytime we fight with more than 10 v 10 its unplayable with the lag its becoming a joke.
Yelan Zhou Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:45:00 - [147] Its not funny anymore.Do something please.
MAcheTT3 Gallente New Light	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:46:00 - [148] yea its pretty poor, all day waiting for a proper fight and theb ..... LAG.
Wensbane Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:46:00 - [149] /SIGNED Another 20vs20, another complete LAGFEST. This is becoming ridiculous! Fix it!
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:46:00 - [150] Tbh I can't wait til they roll out Apocrypha and the new boxed edition, and even MORE people come to break the servers. Not funny though.
Mr Teatimeer	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:49:00 - [151] Thor99 here, I m too bored to ** around with this bugging game and website to change to my main Character to be able to post. And next, We lagged to ** down there. EVERY SINGLE TIME and you CCP reply those ridiculous excuses which is an illegal act to lie to us that yout systems have not picked up any anomalies. WE HAD ALL EFFECTS OFF ALL BRACKERS HIDDEN WHAT THE HELL ELSE YOU WANT !!!!!??????????? And when we petition you reply ridiculous excuses, FIX THIS GAME for once, it is ridiculous, there's so many stupid rumors that only 0.0 alliances get all the server boosts etc and we are left with the leftover crap, and I don't really care. IF IS YOUR OBLOGATION TO MAKE THIS GAME RUN, I m using 3 different PCs, and on all of them this lag and they re all up to date and everyone, amarr faction and minmatar alike have same problems, FIX THIS and stop giving lousy excuses, what you are doing is ILLEGAL, we pay for a service that is not given back to us
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:50:00 - [152] 30 vs 30 fight in amamake, brackets off, overview setup Fight starts, suddenly client goes, entering space, entering space, entering space, entering space, entering space..... Eventually goes away when we docked. Happened to everyone there. SORT IT OUT CCP!!!!!
Thor99	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:50:00 - [153] Thor99 here, I m too bored to ** around with this bugging game and website to change to my main Character to be able to post. And next, We lagged to ** down there. EVERY SINGLE TIME and you CCP reply those ridiculous excuses which is an illegal act to lie to us that yout systems have not picked up any anomalies. WE HAD ALL EFFECTS OFF ALL BRACKERS HIDDEN WHAT THE HELL ELSE YOU WANT !!!!!??????????? And when we petition you reply ridiculous excuses, FIX THIS GAME for once, it is ridiculous, there's so many stupid rumors that only 0.0 alliances get all the server boosts etc and we are left with the leftover crap, and I don't really care. IF IS YOUR OBLOGATION TO MAKE THIS GAME RUN, I m using 3 different PCs, and on all of them this lag and they re all up to date and everyone, amarr faction and minmatar alike have same problems, FIX THIS and stop giving lousy excuses, what you are doing is ILLEGAL, we pay for a service that is not given back to us
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:51:00 - [154] SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING? THOR IS SO MAD HE POASTED TWICE!
Halsu	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:57:00 - [155] Signed, all brackets,effects and stuff away, but 60 man battle lagged me out so bad i couldn't do anything. Screen froze for 2 minutes and when it came back i was in a pod. If i pay monthy subscription for a game, i expect it be able to play it.
Hun Jakuza Naughty By Nature	Posted - 2009.02.01 18:59:00 - [156] Originally by: Wensbane /SIGNED Another 20vs20, another complete LAGFEST. This is becoming ridiculous! Fix it! Signed too [17:53:24] BattleStar Crusader > nOW THAT WAS FUNNY ** [17:53:31] Galliana Foresta > it was something [18:34:41] Thor99 > ING EVE LAG [18:35:14] Kachak > IF U CAMPED LESS THERD BE LESS LAG [18:35:32] big miker > or maybe 30 ships - pc lagg =/ [18:35:35] Robinh66 > wow what a ing lag [18:35:37] BattleStar Crusader > to much lag [18:35:45] big miker > to much ships for all of ya [18:35:57] Prometheus Exenthal > INSANEEEE lag [18:36:03] Zaracaan > ing lag [18:36:04] big miker > time to strike!!! [18:36:10] Thor99 > petinion again guys [18:36:10] Prometheus Exenthal > ive entered space like 12 times [18:36:12] Thor99 > ign EVE fails [18:36:14] Darkreaver > omg lag [18:36:16] Thor99 > i petitoned this 4 times [18:36:16] Zaracaan > I entered liek 20 [18:36:18] Galliana Foresta > more like 20 here [18:36:19] big miker > ROFL [18:36:26] Thor99 > and those ing ** GMs said their systems did not detect lag [18:36:31] Thor99 > EVERYBODY petition under STUCK [18:36:37] Cailus > where you guys fighting at? [18:36:44] Galliana Foresta > petition ccps guys [18:36:46] Zaracaan > that was hoooorible [18:36:47] BattleStar Crusader > can i call for a collabaratiion with the minmitar to petition that lag [18:37:01] Robinh66 > i keep repeating the same screen for every 5 second [18:37:04] Robinh66 > what a fun fight [18:37:05] Zaracaan > same [18:37:30] MirrorGod > that wasn't the laggiest I've ever seeen [18:37:40] Pater Peccavi > wow [18:37:44] big miker > where'z the loot [18:38:07] Darkreaver > still lagged out anyone?, lol [18:38:19] Feral Lady > gf, bad lag [18:38:22] Darkreaver > truce? until we unlag... [18:38:26] Hun Jakuza > CCP fck off :D [18:38:32] Wensbane > This is pathetic... [18:38:47] Zanco Ceal > lets wer dec CCP [18:39:12] BattleStar Crusader > guys im creating a forum post for this [18:39:14] BattleStar Crusader > ill post link [18:39:17] BattleStar Crusader > YOU ALL need to back it [18:39:42] big miker > i wuntz to readz zat~ [18:39:58] Zaracaan > I only had 80 people in system [18:40:01] Zaracaan > we had [18:40:02] Feral Lady > someone make a post for us all to ccp on eve-o [18:40:08] P'uck > <url=showinfo:2//109299958>c c p</url> [18:40:09] Abbrock Armarda > we on it [18:40:10] Thor99 > it is being done [18:40:11] P'uck > feel free to dec em [18:40:13] Nostradamus Negulesco > smog already posted one BC. that was ed up [18:40:28] Nostradamus Negulesco > looking 4 the link, one min [18:40:40] Thor99 > please send the link here [18:41:03] Thor99 > send the link in local chat here so we can all sign, and every1 petition, state system and the fight occured between 18:25 and 18:40 eve time in Amamake [18:41:40] Nostradamus Negulesco > http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=975896&page=1#4 [18:42:49] Hun Jakuza > ridicoulus 40+ fleet fight and extreme lag in empire [18:43:06] Hun Jakuza > ccp thinking just in 0.0 [18:43:30] Nostradamus Negulesco > yeah, we should all petition this **. That shoutld have been a good fight
Zaracaan	Posted - 2009.02.01 19:00:00 - [157] http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=32056 That fight is the latest lagfest, no complete desync...entering space, entering space, entering, space ftw? All the brackets and effects off. Could you pls ****ing fix it. In 0.0 fight like that were smooth with all effects on. STOP WITH THE EXCUSES AND FIX IT
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.01 19:06:00 - [158] I really like it when stuff works. I still do not like this.
Feral Lady	Posted - 2009.02.01 19:36:00 - [159] "30 vs 30 fight in amamake, brackets off, overview setup Fight starts, suddenly client goes, entering space, entering space, entering space, entering space, entering space..... Eventually goes away when we docked. Happened to everyone there." It was looking to be a good maneuvering fight. Mint Fleet load grid 200km of gate. Then warped to optimal of Amar fleet. We engaged and when everyone let out drones....ssytem started to lag but was still reasonable for about 4 minutes then we all lagged out totally. Enter space over and over again. Thanks for the fight Amar. CCP you need to reinforce key FW systems like Kourm/Kamela and Amamake/Auga.
Mr Teatimeer	Posted - 2009.02.01 19:39:00 - [160] Oh and the few of you CCP arse kissers, can you please stop being annoying (eg: your fault if you don't hide brackets), all you are doing is trying to hinder CCP from fixing this already bugged to hell game while at the same time being an arse kisser and to kiss arses of people whose salary you pay, only makes you look rather laughable.
Malaan Tabfassh The Flowing Penguins	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:13:00 - [161] Three days ago we could have had a 3v3 fight. Think it was 3 ceptors on the amarr side and 2 cruisers / 1 af on minnie side. Situation went about like this: We (minnie) were in a plex -> ceptor warps in -> can't lock / can't lock / mod lag -> ceptor starts flying in a random direction -> all of us have mod lag -> i order to warp out -> af stays and cloaks -> 2 mins later af warps out -> amarr pilot in local "where the hell, came these cruiser from" While this was the only time i had this in a small engagement this was, honestly, only a 3v3! This isn't funny anymore
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:22:00 - [162] 6 pages mostly "Signed" some other whining hard did you consider LEAVING FW? (in before "i'm leaving FW") ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Malaan Tabfassh The Flowing Penguins	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:37:00 - [163] @Concorduck: Think you're right. My washing machine is broken, I better wash my clothes in the river now.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:44:00 - [164] SUSPEND ACCT
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:46:00 - [165] Fix this please. Never used to happen, now 20v20 is impossible. Now im going back to log in again, and see where the hell my ship is, because I sure as **** couldnt tell when I left the game.
Byron Bauchus Caldari Imperii Fortuna	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:51:00 - [166] yes, this is a tad rediculous. dont you have these "new and improved servers" that are supposed to handle this crap?...ugh it doesn't make playing this game fun when its not reacting to a thing i tell it to do... ...please consider systems in FW zone more of an importance.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:51:00 - [167] And yet again 65 people this time and I triage carrier and all I get entering space and lag. I was in space and I undocked from station and warped to fight. I did not cyno in!!! Why did I get loading bar 20 times saying entering space and it reset my camera!!! Please give us more power to these systems so we can have fun in Faction Warfare!
Meridius Dex Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:52:00 - [168] Today we just lost a ton of ships, on both sides, to absolutely inexcusable lag - the same kind of lag I used to experience in 400-ship pos warfare fights in 0.0. The fact that a FW fight is utterly ruined by 3 FPS lag in a major facwar system (Kamela) by a combined group of about 50-60 ships is outrageous. -- Meridius Dex -- Awesomeness: "When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story."
Darkreaver	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:56:00 - [169] Edited by: Darkreaver on 01/02/2009 20:58:42 Originally by: Armoured C turn off your brackets, i can have 100+ easy with brackets off which i cant if brackets are on Nah, doesn't work like that for us. Even with all effects turned of we get 20 guys jump into a field and its over. Not just for a few, for everyone. Today I was lagged out twice in the middle of 2 engagements. The first time in amamake in a 20 vs. 20 gang (approximately) and the second time in kamela also approximately a 20 vs. 20 gang. 1 of the fights resulted in my death the other i was lucky. Please help us out with these fleet war fights. This is a great feature that you have worked hard to get into the game. Give us a couple of systems designated for high traffic and big engagements. Any 2 out of kourmonen, kamela, auga, and amamake and i think you would please most in FW.
Acronis Themis	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:58:00 - [170] Signed!
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:59:00 - [171] Why, CCP, can't we have constellation based sessions instead of system based sessions? This is getting REALLY bad! It's hard to maneuver your set of eyes when you keep emergency warping into and out of the field of engagement.
Onnen Mentar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:02:00 - [172] signed Lag in FW is absurd if you compare it to the amount of people involved. And we're not talking client lag.. pure server lag all the way to the clone bay.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:07:00 - [173] Originally by: Malaan Tabfassh @Concorduck: Think you're right. My washing machine is broken, I better wash my clothes in the river now. FW : 0.0 Alliances : Solo PVP = Dry Cleaners : Washing Machine : Hand Washing Brace yourself, you will get you clothes washed anyway.
NoK Trading	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:10:00 - [174] Signed
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:10:00 - [175] Johannes Buckbeak > both sides were up for it Johannes Buckbeak > but CCP made like the Icelandic economy and "SMOG EDIT TALKING BAD ABOUT CCP :(" Hun Jakuza > i pay for play or lag ? Meridius Dex > FFS If I wanted lag like that I'd have stayed in 0.0/ "SMOG EDIT BAD WORD" CCP, you bunch of "SMOG EDIT BAD WORD", if you dont want facwar, then just kill the feature. This is insulting, like having someone "SMOG EDIT BAD WORD" right in your face. Allen Ramses > One more reason why we need constellation based nodes instead of system based nodes. matt deamon > if it makes any difference our carrier was so lagged out he couldnt do crap zean xulunta > wowthis is BS Feral Lady > lag feast 2 today ( Feral Lady > gf T 2 > i think that everyone just make a petition about the lag zean xulunta > We should Byron Bauchus > someone make the post and put it in local T 2 > they need to start paying attention to the lag in FW systems Hun Jakuza > nothing targeting me (in ot saw that) but i died :D T 2 > this just sucks zean xulunta > Eventually they will do some thing it would be even grander if we all made them in different post on the forums Darkreaver > back in amamake i was worried your carrier was gonna die to that lag...looked like he got GCC or something, never good to lose that kind of ship to lag, even if its the enemy's ship Meridius Dex > The good thing, since they deploy their carrier in every single **ing engagement in FW, we'll have other chances to kill it. Darkreaver > but i want a fair shot at killing it....not for it to die to lag Hun Jakuza > sure Meridius Dex > I dont give a "SMOG EDIT BAD WORD" how I kill it at this point, pretty sick and tired of every 10-vs-10 T1 cruiser fight ruined by these tards and their carrier, tbqfh** Arvid Sebest > meeeh Hun Jakuza > http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=975896&page=1 Feral Lady > please post comments maybe we can get ccp to boost servers here Byron Bauchus > agreed everyone comment please Smog890 > yup again and this time with just 65 lol Smog890 > "SMOG EDIT BAD WORD" lag zombiedeadhead > Just signed your thread m8, while i was dc'd :/ Meridius Dex > Thread replied, petition filed. dame death > wtb an ultra mirco and radio dame death > 6 of each dame death > ust ultra and mirco dame death > Just* Dr Soylent > dam ship what this servers are ? 486 with 56k modem or what ? Souisa > but because of lag my pod didnt warp out so also lost implants for like 60 mil Dr Soylent > lol my cloakin device leaved my hud and i cant cloak me again Nethras > at least petition pod losses Souisa > so loosing your pod and your implants because of lag is that petionable? Dr Soylent > tzz (smog edit bad word) CCP dont nothing only say oh we are so sorry the are going to her together in his (smog edit bad word) Thats my words Dr Soylent > thats it ... they are suckes use ouere money to buy big cars and do nothing for eve No Mauk'Ob > is the fleet still running even with the lag? minuseb > so, how many we killed and lost? i survived, strangely BruisedMoon > could be worse you guys could be fighting gallente... drones have no mercy when lag takes your soul!
Johannes Buckbeak Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:24:00 - [176] Signed. And I didn't lose a ship, I got a couple of kills. In fact I think the lag saved me 'cos I was locked and hurting. But that's not the point, as far as I am concerned. The reason I play the game is for fights, and a good balanced 30 v 30 fight is as good as it gets. But CCP just took that away from us.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:26:00 - [177] And here are some screens of what I got in my carrier for lag: Screen 01: I got entering space. Since I was already in space and did not cyno just warped from station to gate how is it that i'm entering space? I was already in space and already in triage? mmmmm weird... Also note that the guy i was trying to remote rep is 38km but I get notification that he is too far way (45km being rep range). Screen 01 Screen 02: Seems that I got a notification that my capital rep is already targeting whats this another capital rep??? how is that possible I dont see a capital rep flying around in space alone not connected to a ship. screen 02 Screen 03: Here I am again entering space!!! This was taken after screen 02. Weird... This entering space happend about 30 times in a row! screen 03
Borzek Staropramen Gallente Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:46:00 - [178] / signed
Kakrenor Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.01 21:54:00 - [179] / Signed
Ophey Won	Posted - 2009.02.01 22:20:00 - [180] signed
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:53:00 - [181] oh and lets not forget that when I had someone locked and then unlocked them it would relock the same person and then I would have two of there ships on my overview (same person) what one do I put reps on? lol
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:57:00 - [182] It was a HUGE lagg today in Kamela - we "won" the fight but it was NO fun. Please reinforce the FW systems. ----------- Member of Tribal Core - fighting for Minmatar Militia. Death to Amarr; long live the Minmatar Nation.
Veebora Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:00:00 - [183] /signed I've opened 2 petitions already about this.
Red Gabba Minmatar Peace Love n Harmony	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:00:00 - [184] Fully agree with the op, support faction pvp and boost the systems please "I believe it' s very hard to have fun in Iceland without fish being involved in some way."
Neu Bastian Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:26:00 - [185] /sign
Grim Asse	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:28:00 - [186] Wasn't part of the fight as I just had the interesting experience of undocking my FW alt in a shuttle in Kamela, knowing there was a small hostile (30ish) gang camping the station as I had other things to do - now normally, you would expect to just fly out of there without any problem - not in FW space: - Entering space takes ages and the progress bar restarts a few times. - Grid loads and I get a frame - I'm allready locked and scrammed by about 6-7 hostiles. - A few seconds pass - and wow - I get a second frame - and I am allready in a pod, scrammed by a few more. - A few more seconds pass and I find myself in my clone Didn't petition it as I can (barely ;)) afford the loss of a shuttle and an implant-less clone, but I can 100% certainly confirm it wasn't client sided lag as I can usually dual client (which I even didn't at the time) without any lag and about 30% CPU usage, have a completely stable cable connection and have been playing this game for a bit, knowing enough 0.0 blobs that have been way less laggy for me than undocking into a small roaming gang in Kamela. Considering the fact that the node responsible for kamela seems to be less capable than your average quakeworld-server in the late nineties, I may be able to help out, so if CCP is in need of any 386, 486 or Pentium CPU's along with the odd acoustic coupler or even a 56k modem, I may be able to help out and you're free to contact me...
Thorvik Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:46:00 - [187] / signed
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:51:00 - [188] /signed Here is hoping that the budget for all the new hardware that has to be installed to run those additional 2500 wormhole systems had enough left over for a few moar blades for us poor FW enthusiests. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
zean xulunta Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.02 01:02:00 - [189] Edited by: zean xulunta on 02/02/2009 01:01:42 /signed come on CCP! "The Die are cast"
Stoogie Minmatar Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:28:00 - [190] /signed
SplashDown	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:32:00 - [191] /signed
Callas Torval Caldari Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:39:00 - [192] With lag like we had today, why bother with PvP at all? Without PvP, why bother with EVE? The sad part is that it just keeps getting worse. It really sucks warping into what should be a fun small fleet engagement, and not be able to activate your mods. Then just get the ole" you are now entering space " message until you are sitting in a station waiting to upgrade your clone. Yup, pretty lame indeed. Huge fail on the part of CCP IMO
Callas Torval Caldari Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:59:00 - [193] Originally by: Onionico The lag around amarr/minmatar clusters was fine when I was there. FW's problem isn't lag - it's the friggin pointlessness of it. Yeah, back when you guys were in FW, the lag wasn't nearly as bad. Trust me it's ALOT worse now.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:16:00 - [194] Edited by: Smog890 on 02/02/2009 05:19:46 Please CCP would you just tell us that you are looking into it, giving it a little thought, or something along the lines or just say we are not planning anything if you are not something please 194 post as you can see a majority of the Faction Warfare people see there is a problem Do I need to start a hand written petition and mail it to you in a package because if so I'm going to do it, if I do not hear back from you by Friday I will start a hand signed petition send to your office so you will see how many want this fixed! If worse comes to worse I'm flying out there and knocking on your office doors and I am not joking but I'll bring some cookies for you to enjoy while I discuss the problem about Faction Warfare with you.
Amaldor Themodius	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:23:00 - [195] / signed Too much lag, in some instances it virtually grinds to a halt.. juice it up CCP!!
oo7styler	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:27:00 - [196] Signed.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:58:00 - [197] Dear CCP, i too think that FACTION WARFARE NEEDS MORE LOVE
Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:02:00 - [198] /signed
Tutelary Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:08:00 - [199] Signed
Benju	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:13:00 - [200] signed
Lebsnewface	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:45:00 - [201] signed by me
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:53:00 - [202] Haha! Nubcakes whining about lag. ADAPT!!!!!!!! We did. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Mrs Rabbit Ultima Resistencia	Posted - 2009.02.02 09:41:00 - [203] /signed
Naru Kraurr Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.02 09:50:00 - [204] /signed Bleak lands definately needs some more resources allocated to it.
Kira Chenco	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:08:00 - [205] signed
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:36:00 - [206] Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse It is easy explained why people cry about faction warfare lag. It's not that there is more lag, but the people who fight there are noobs. They don't turn off effects, they play on high resolutions, they have sounds on, they don't remove brackets and don't zoom out. That's why they have more lag than mature pvp players. It's the whine-fest of inexperienced noobs, no need for action from CCP. Obviously, you have never actually tried a FW battle, otherwise you would know that this does not affect the problem greatly. It helps with lag, but not the desynch. The conditions in FW are not the same as 0.0, so try it out before you start throwing around your 'expert' opinions.
der K k-os	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:40:00 - [207] Edited by: der K on 02/02/2009 10:41:02 Originally by: Kuolematon Haha! Nubcakes whining about lag. ADAPT!!!!!!!! nice op; no solution. signed
Bill Door	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:50:00 - [208] /signed I've been in FW one way or another since the beginning, I flew with Boromors 100-120 man fleets vs 100 odd man gallente fleets and never had more than minor issues with lag... These days I fly in 30-40 man fleets at most with a better optimised client and the lag makes the game unplayable, almost every time I get the 'entering space' issue others have mentioned, on one occasion I had been sitting in station in my clone for 10 minutes when I got the 'ship is out of control' message...
Jeddak Tarkas	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:57:00 - [209] Edited by: Jeddak Tarkas on 02/02/2009 10:58:58 /signed I could not see anything came back to my ship which seemed to have warped off by itself maybe it got bored of the lag as well. I had brackets off and other settings recommended for reducing lag
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.02 11:34:00 - [210] Originally by: Kuolematon Haha! Nubcakes whining about lag. ADAPT!!!!!!!! We did. An obvious tosser...I mean, troll. Why add this to this argument? When people do this, is says more about their own perceived inferiority than it does about their abilities. Smack talk is all about trying to look big because you feel small. I don't have anything against the Pervs. They make for good opponents, and that op was well-run, but it just seems this one individual lacks a little grace in victory.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.02.02 13:07:00 - [211] Originally by: Kuolematon Haha! Nubcakes whining about lag. ADAPT!!!!!!!! Throwing a hand grenade into a crowded room is PvP and lots of fun? CCP, over twelve thousand characters are involved in the militias, lets say half of those are actively plexing/fighting .. can you honestly say that the systems in question (contested FW space) have the proper resources allocated? I now refuse to engage in combat if local is more than fifty because I know my prowess/fittings/etc. will have little impact on the outcome .. and that makes me sad.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.02.02 13:09:00 - [212] My "oblivious" troll post was just to say that we should not actually CARE anymore if CCP will "juice" up FW or actually fix their 10 year old Python-based zhitnid called "client". Seriously guys. Eighter have little fights or do creative out-of-box blob wars. Whatever you do, CCP will not juice or boost your PvP experience as EVE is space RTM like Homeworld but it's not cabable of big fights. JGE is coming btw. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
TooNu Caldari State Protectorate Academy	Posted - 2009.02.02 13:43:00 - [213] Yes, this is not very good for us in faction warfare. The lag really ruins the fun we are meant to be having. Furthermore, yes we all turn our brackets off and all the graphic settings are off before we set out. Also, what the **** is the point in having these graphic options available in the first place if we can't actually ever use them in a fleet? Get it fixed please.
Meridius Dex Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.02 13:53:00 - [214] What is absolutely inexcusable is that larger fleet fights were actually easier two months ago than they are now. We've had several large BS - and even capital ship - fights in the past with very little lag. WTF has happened now in recent times that we can't even get one damned decent fight with more then 50 total participants in a system? -- Meridius Dex -- Awesomeness: "When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story."
Naru Kraurr Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.02 15:08:00 - [215] Originally by: Meridius Dex What is absolutely inexcusable is that larger fleet fights were actually easier two months ago than they are now. We've had several large BS - and even capital ship - fights in the past with very little lag. WTF has happened now in recent times that we can't even get one damned decent fight with more then 50 total participants in a system? Yep, this is the thing that's most annoying.
YrgKorth	Posted - 2009.02.02 16:05:00 - [216] signed Save FW
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.02.02 16:08:00 - [217] Supported 100%
Jalif Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.02.02 16:11:00 - [218] Stop blobbing? I don't even live in FW region. But I have a bunch of friends who do. Maybe you guys should stop blobbing and have the balls to solo or do very small gang pvp. Wasn't FW meaned for smaller pvp?
YORK CRAFT Caldari KRAFTWERK	Posted - 2009.02.02 16:23:00 - [219] Alright, - now that this total desync mess is proofed as a serverside issue from a overwhelming part of FW members, I expected a kinda reaction from CCP in here. - Well, since '03 it was always quite fair : after an ingame petition, there might be an automated answer-message, but right after you insist, there was always a GM responding for clarification, if a serious problem was tracked down. CCP was wellknown for his excellent support worldwide. I read the whole thread and posted already my experiences on that serious issue, but ... ... WE ARE FAR BEJOND THE POINT THAT CCP IS ABLE TO DENIE : A COMPLETE FEATURE OF EVE IS BROKEN ATM ... NOW ITS NOT ONLY ABOUT TO ADD "SOME" MORE JUICE TO DEDICATED BLACK-RISE SERVERS TO POWER-UP ONE OR TWO SYSTEMS; NOW ITS ABOUT ARCHITECTURE OF NODS AND POCKETS Im not an idiot and noone will blame CCP for at least a propper and offical FW MINI BLOB WARNING, not to throw our ships away for a joke called BLACK-RISE. To all captains in here : I can asure you, I repeat : I can asure you, in my long EVEO life, I have never ever experienced such a desaster within a whole feature. I mean, realy, CCP you could do much better : on technical - AND on customer side.
Grim Asse	Posted - 2009.02.02 17:30:00 - [220] Originally by: Jalif Stop blobbing? I don't even live in FW region. But I have a bunch of friends who do. Maybe you guys should stop blobbing and have the balls to solo or do very small gang pvp. Wasn't FW meaned for smaller pvp? I would hardly call a gang of 20-25 ships a blob...
MobyMule Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2009.02.02 17:38:00 - [221] FW systems need some love baby!!! Show us the love.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.02 19:30:00 - [222] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 02/02/2009 19:30:55 Originally by: Jalif Stop blobbing? I don't even live in FW region. But I have a bunch of friends who do. Maybe you guys should stop blobbing and have the balls to solo or do very small gang pvp. Wasn't FW meaned for smaller pvp? This is exatly the kind of remark that nobody needs to read. The problem isn't that we're blobbing, and roaming in smaller gangs would treat the symptoms but not the underlying disease that is Eve lag. If you have nothing useful to add, **** off.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.02 19:41:00 - [223] bump
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.02.02 20:13:00 - [224] o/ Fix the lag--I mean, it's easy enough to FC through it, but if you can do it in 0.0, you can damn well do it here CCP. Minmatar/Amarr theatre, there's like 15 systems we ever use! [center] Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Thomy Reachner	Posted - 2009.02.02 20:33:00 - [225] signed
KingKongsBallSack	Posted - 2009.02.02 20:33:00 - [226] please make FW playable again CCP
Hankey84	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:05:00 - [227] last night there was another fight in amamake. we were anout 30v30, maybe less. I turned off all effects and brackets. I even restarted the client before the fight started and switched to normal graphic mode, even though my pc can handle all effects and premium graphic. and it did lag very bad. so, plz ccp take care of this serious issue /signed
Raven Lansfear Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:07:00 - [228] /signed
kaiwoo	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:13:00 - [229] /singned
Falcon Troy Caldari Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:13:00 - [230] You ****ed unbelievers trying to act tough, come join fw, join one of our 30v30 fights and find out exactly how awesome it is. Oh are you too lazy, or are you just afraid of finding out you're more wrong than a guy **ing his downs sister? _____________ Hai.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:43:00 - [231] I'm not even in FW, but CCP should just give them what they are asking for. It sounds eminently reasonable.
Minmatar Citizen 290574	Posted - 2009.02.02 21:47:00 - [232] Originally by: Liz Laser I'm not even in FW, but CCP should just give them what they are asking for. It sounds eminently reasonable. can you do the same for all the alliance border systems then... not really fair if the only get it eh : p __________________________________________________ I wear my sunglasses....
Meridius Dex Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.02 23:53:00 - [233] Originally by: Jalif Stop blobbing? I don't even live in FW region. But I have a bunch of friends who do. Maybe you guys should stop blobbing and have the balls to solo or do very small gang pvp. Wasn't FW meaned for smaller pvp? Dude, seriously, DIAF. I joined FW to get away from the blob warfare of 0.0; I'd be happy if every fight were a handful of ships against each other. Hell, about 70% of my time in EVE is spent soloing. But try fighting the Minmatar in groups any day of the week and you'll find time and again they flee from any engagement until they can return with at least 2- to 3-1 odds. I've been in both theaters of FW and of all the four races I've seen absolutely NO ONE blobs like Minnies. After all, this is the militia that routinely hot-drops carriers in on T1 cruiser fights. Regardless, right now low sec facwar systems lag worse than the backwater systems where we used to fight huge fleet battles in a year ago.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.03 00:23:00 - [234] Originally by: Meridius Dex Originally by: Jalif Stop blobbing? Dude, seriously, DIAF. I joined FW to get away from the blob warfare of 0.0; I'd be happy if every fight were a handful of ships against each other. Hell, about 70% of my time in EVE is spent soloing. But try fighting the Minmatar in groups any day of the week and you'll find time and again they flee from any engagement until they can return with at least 2- to 3-1 odds. I've been in both theaters of FW and of all the four races I've seen absolutely NO ONE blobs like Minnies. After all, this is the militia that routinely hot-drops carriers in on T1 cruiser fights. Regardless, right now low sec facwar systems lag worse than the backwater systems where we used to fight huge fleet battles in a year ago. Its just me in my little carrier just one no more carriers than just me shurly the big church of the almighty can smite my carrier and we do blob but thats because Minmatar is cool and we can get 40 people in a fleet when we need too hardly see more than 40 in our fleets maybe 60 when its weekend and we got most of minmatar militia online. But Please do fix the lag so they can shoot my carrier and stop *****ing about one capital lol
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.03 00:25:00 - [235] and hotdropping a carrier on whatever a flashing pirate can find means he's got the balls to use it and fight with it against anything that comes in the Minmatar way and I KNOW you Amarr have Capitals grow a pair and use em like smog Fix lag please!!!! :) thanks CCP.
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.02.03 02:05:00 - [236] Methods of cowardice between Minmatar and Amarr aside, this needs to be addressed. How are we gonna hotdrop a carrier on an amarr fleet if we can't get said carrier to do anything? And how are the Amarr going to hide in station if they can't even log in? Seriously, do something about Kamela, Kourmonen, Auga, and Amamake. There is no excuse not to. Even if it's just on weekends.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.02.03 06:29:00 - [237] Originally by: Allen Ramses Seriously, do something about Kamela, Kourmonen, Auga, and Amamake. There is no excuse not to. Even if it's just on weekends. Ever been in OMS? You should.
MobyMule Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:36:00 - [238] Originally by: Allen Ramses Methods of cowardice between Minmatar and Amarr aside, this needs to be addressed. How are we gonna hotdrop a carrier on an amarr fleet if we can't get said carrier to do anything? And how are the Amarr going to hide in station if they can't even log in? Seriously, do something about Kamela, Kourmonen, Auga, and Amamake. There is no excuse not to. Even if it's just on weekends. I love these statements. I was rolling.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.03 19:26:00 - [239] bump ant word ccp?
NutsAllmighty	Posted - 2009.02.03 22:21:00 - [240] Well it just happened again today 20vs30. I guess 5 on 5 or less is the only way anyone can have a somewhat lag free fight in FW. Bunkness!
Primnproper	Posted - 2009.02.03 22:31:00 - [241] Surely you could just make a dedicated fw node or 2 so we get half decent performance in the one or two medium sized fights that might be going down at any 1 time....
Black Mystic	Posted - 2009.02.04 03:39:00 - [242] /SIGNED
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.02.04 05:42:00 - [243] A few weeks ago, 30v30 would be relatively painless. Over time it got progressively worse. Today in Auga, I participated in a 4 man roaming gang (well, it was actually my corpmate and I happening to be in the same area as two fellow militiamen), which was ambushed by an 8 man Amarr fleet. The lag wasn't unplayable, but it was still very insulting. It's expected that you lose your ship to a superior force; it's another thing entirely to pop the ceptor that had you tackled, while spamming warp-to before you get into structure, but losing your ship five seconds after you warp, then EMERGENCY WARPING IN YOUR POD BACK TO TO THE BATTLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE!! Seriously, CCP, what the **** is going on here??
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.04 06:40:00 - [244] I feel sorry for people in FW because of this, make no mistake. But you guys are screwed tbh, no Dev comment anywhere that I can find about it and you know what that usually means: Our logs, they show nothing, therefore there cannot be a problem.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 07:21:00 - [245] moar dots
Naru Kraurr Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.04 07:55:00 - [246] Originally by: Soporo I feel sorry for people in FW because of this, make no mistake. But you guys are screwed tbh, no Dev comment anywhere that I can find about it and you know what that usually means: Our logs, they show nothing, therefore there cannot be a problem. Yeah, it is rather worrying. I'm sure this thread will get bigger though so one of them has to see it at some point.
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.04 12:44:00 - [247] Originally by: Allen Ramses A few weeks ago, 30v30 would be relatively painless. Over time it got progressively worse. This ^^ I do not recall this kind of lagg last year in FW-zone. It really has gotten worse and gets worse every day. This is an issue that CCP needs to deal with even if involved heavy in the new expansion. Even if the server logs dont show anything. I know this is an issue in Amarr - Minmatar Factional Warfare Warzone - not sure how Gallente & Caldari warzone is going on. Based on few comments they are having similar issues. Why should CCP react? They give love to .0 alliances and fights happening there. Fair enough - a lot of players there. But lets compare anyways. Factional Warfare: Caldari 5000 pilots, Gallente 3500 pilots, Minmatar 2800 pilots and Amarr 2400 pilots totaling to about 13700 pilots total involved directly in FW - more pilots involved in-directly but lets discard that for a while. In .0 warfare top 10 alliances have about 18700 pilots total - and that covers a BIG portion of .0 space - I mean A LOT of systems. To be exact in FW we have 13700 pilots fighting over about 171 solar systems and in .0 space we have 18700 fighting over 715 systems. Lets put this to proportion. In .0 we have about 26 pilots per system In Factional Warfare we have about 80 pilots per system In both naturally its not including all the roamers in the systems etc. So in that light - should there be actions to be taken? CCP has a system to report over 300vs300 fleet fights. In militia - the operations are not planned and we merely have 100vs100 fights at best - but we start to lag out with 20vs20 fights. I hope this turns even one head at CCP to actually see into this issue. FW Statistics gathered from FWSTATS and eve api .0 Statistics gathered from eve-maps including top 10 alliances: BoB, AAA, GoonSwarm, TCF, CVA, SOLAR FLEET, xXDEATHXx, United Legion, Red Alliance and Morsus Mihi. Best Regards, T2
CrabClaw McGraw Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.04 12:57:00 - [248] Can't ccp just make it sdo that the low security pew pew areas of black rise are not on the same nodes/blades/whatever as any hisec systems. Just putting all of blackrise on the same nodes and not sharing resources with high sec sounds simple to me.
Aurora Nyx Caldari Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:53:00 - [249] Originally by: Soporo I feel sorry for people in FW because of this, make no mistake. But you guys are screwed tbh, no Dev comment anywhere that I can find about it and you know what that usually means: Our logs, they show nothing, therefore there cannot be a problem. That reply has been sent so often, that its image is burned onto my screen.
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:07:00 - [250] any word/response today CCP? anything please
Sicex The Maverick Navy Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:09:00 - [251] A measly 250 posts!? The Devs, they care not for your moar powah whine!
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:17:00 - [252] bumpage
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:37:00 - [253] Originally by: Sicex A measly 250 posts!? The Devs, they care not for your moar powah whine! They better or else, I have some stuff planned to annoy them until I get a response...
Lauralaunder	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:40:00 - [254] signed
Dizeezer Velar Caldari Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:04:00 - [255] /signed
Taipan OO	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:07:00 - [256] Signed
Wei Evolon Peace Love n Harmony	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:47:00 - [257] Quote: Hi, My apologies for the late reply. This issue of not beeing able to lock other players should have been fixed with the downtime. Are you still expceriencing this problem? Best regards, Senior GM Xamother EVE Online Customer Support Yes we are still experiencing it ...
Jhonny Joystick	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:06:00 - [258] Signed
Chris Fierce NoD Imperium	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:50:00 - [259] /signed Yet another thread that CCP will just ignore so expect more of the following.. Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. I understand such a loss can cause frustration, but we unfortunately can not find any indication in our logs of any network or server related troubles around that time that could have been the cause of nor helped in the case of your loss. --------------------------- I had to gagoogidy StevieSG. I gashmoygadied her gaflavity with my googus. And i won a Hookbill.
Monotaur Caldari NoD Imperium	Posted - 2009.02.04 21:57:00 - [260] SIGNED Totally agree not bothering with fleet warfare at the moment as it just always lags!!

CCP Mitnal C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:08:00 - [261] I'll try and get someone more qualified to post about the situation than me in to explain things. In the mean time if there's a fleet fight forming up please use the system described in this thread to let us know about it. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:10:00 - [262] THANK YOU!!! after almost four weeks finally response yay I love you
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:11:00 - [263] ....with all due respect..... Seriously? That's a frightening statement of unawareness about the nature of factional warfare. Facwar fights don't happen in advance. The whole system - which you guys designed that way - is designed for unexpected, spontaneous combat.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:12:00 - [264] Frankly there should be no response. Going "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to" isn't exactly a productive area of discussion that merits any response. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:14:00 - [265] Edited by: Smog890 on 04/02/2009 22:15:11 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Frankly there should be no response. Going "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to" isn't exactly a productive area of discussion that merits any response. first step is to acknowlege there is a problem and they finally see the post :) and it took me weeks of lobbying for all these signs on this post topic
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:16:00 - [266] If you think CCP doesn't know lag exists, then you're even dumber than I previously thought. And to go on with that, spewing ridiculously stupid claims like that also goes along with you not deserving a response. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:19:00 - [267] The original proposition, I believe, was that ultra-high-lag, common-combat systems in Facwar could use the "fleet fight anticipated" server buff. Since there are two systems in which this is very frequently the case and CCP has not already buffed them, the original proposition hardly seems stupid at all. I can't speak for the Amarr/Minmatar side, but there are two systems that are constantly VERY high zones of conflict in the Gal/Cal side, and they have never received any positive improvement whatsoever. I'm not supporting the previous poster, but the concept itself of static "improved server" conditions for specific lowsec systems is quite valid.
GGTKS Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:31:00 - [268] Originally by: An Anarchyyt If you think CCP doesn't know lag exists, then you're even dumber than I previously thought. And to go on with that, spewing ridiculously stupid claims like that also goes along with you not deserving a response. ok you need to stfu ur a goon...and like all goons on a scale of life..you ppl are borderline pull the plug and just above a waist of oxygen..so do rest of us a favor and stfu..becuz everytime u open ur mouth ur stupid falls out.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:35:00 - [269] Originally by: GGTKS Originally by: An Anarchyyt If you think CCP doesn't know lag exists, then you're even dumber than I previously thought. And to go on with that, spewing ridiculously stupid claims like that also goes along with you not deserving a response. ok you need to stfu ur a goon...and like all goons on a scale of life..you ppl are borderline pull the plug and just above a waist of oxygen..so do rest of us a favor and stfu..becuz everytime u open ur mouth ur stupid falls out. if his stupid falls out that means he is smart ? wow you a d a$$

CCP Mindstar	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:42:00 - [270] Hey guys, I just thought I would let you know I have put up a post in the Issues, Workarounds & Localization forum, asking for some detailed information about this. We are indeed conducting an ongoing investigation into this matter, so any info you can provide is much appreciated. Cheers, Mindstar

An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:44:00 - [271] Originally by: GGTKS Originally by: An Anarchyyt If you think CCP doesn't know lag exists, then you're even dumber than I previously thought. And to go on with that, spewing ridiculously stupid claims like that also goes along with you not deserving a response. ok you need to stfu ur a goon...and like all goons on a scale of life..you ppl are borderline pull the plug and just above a waist of oxygen..so do rest of us a favor and stfu..becuz everytime u open ur mouth ur stupid falls out. u r kewl. i like u
GGTKS Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:48:00 - [272] Now how to begin....lemme start off by saying that im a lil dissapointed in CCP's performance in this issue....ive played eve a very long time..and have never seen them slip so badly befor...i mean maybe im wrong...but i thought the hole idea of faction wars was to encourage ppl to take part in it and eventualy move to 0.0.....but insted..its reminding us why we left 00 in the 1st place....its allso the reason more and more ppl are leaven 00 hoping to get some decent faction fights. no-1 wants lag period...why are you maken more content..when you cant properly run the content or graphics pachages you alrdy have?? why make uber graphics pachages if we have to tunr them off?..why make T3 expansion when your current expansion still doesnt work properly....17 usd isnt worth this lag.....52 cents maybe but not 17 usd....come on ccp...im with you man im cheering for u..dun let me down...this kinda thing couldnt happen at a worse time...during an ecanomic crisis and right when several other companies are comen out with products to challenge ccp and the eve market....even offer full corps and alliances free play for 1st year....come on ccp ya have fumbled the ball...FUMBLEEEEE.....FUMBLEIYAAAAA....FUMBLEROOSKIEEEE will you recover? or will some-1 else pickup the ball?...i'll admit i wrote this with a touch of anger...but imo the lag has gotten worse not better.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:52:00 - [273] kewl guy. Since I like you so much, I'm gonna let you know about two small things that are pretty important to getting your point across, and not sound like a ranting girl on My Super Sweet 16 who didn't get a Ferrari from her daddy, but only got a Lexus. First, there are sentences. These things are single ideas and help your posting have a readable flow. Secondly, there are paragraphs. These are groups of ideas. They help your post to be read as well, they also help add coherence to your typing. I hope this helped you, because I think you are a really kewl guy, and I would hate to see your great post overlooked.
GGTKS Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:56:00 - [274] Edited by: GGTKS on 04/02/2009 22:57:48 Originally by: An Anarchyyt kewl guy. Since I like you so much, I'm gonna let you know about two small things that are pretty important to getting your point across, and not sound like a ranting girl on My Super Sweet 16 who didn't get a Ferrari from her daddy, but only got a Lexus. First, there are sentences. These things are single ideas and help your posting have a readable flow. Secondly, there are paragraphs. These are groups of ideas. They help your post to be read as well, they also help add coherence to your typing. I hope this helped you, because I think you are a really kewl guy, and I would hate to see your great post overlooked. LMAO i know i know..but when i mad i just go...plus im not best typer in world..broken my hands in rl on to many ppl claiming to be goons.

CCP Mitnal C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:04:00 - [275] For those of you that have experienced poor performance in 30 v 30 fights check out this thread and please give as much information as possible to help us investigate this further.

Armoured Gamer Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:05:00 - [276] <3 mitnal
Smog890 Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2009.02.05 00:26:00 - [277] Thanks!!! Spamming Militia so they know to post it on there for you weeks of work pay off
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:54:00 - [278] Originally by: GGTKS Originally by: An Anarchyyt If you think CCP doesn't know lag exists, then you're even dumber than I previously thought. And to go on with that, spewing ridiculously stupid claims like that also goes along with you not deserving a response. ok you need to stfu ur a goon...and like all goons on a scale of life..you ppl are borderline pull the plug and just above a waist of oxygen..so do rest of us a favor and stfu..becuz everytime u open ur mouth ur stupid falls out. Ignore this Anarchyyt-moron, he isn't a real goon either, just a forum troll that is falsely taking all the credit without having contributed anything to Goonswarm but crap posts on Eve forums. A late 2007 noob that thinks he is el33t because he pollutes the forums with several alts ... oh did he flame you with his favourite alt "Armourd Gamer" already ?
Naru Kraurr Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:58:00 - [279] Yay Mitnal!!
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:49:00 - [280] Dear CCP representatives, Thank you very much for starting to investigate this. Thank you. This is a moment that helps me personally believe more to the developers want to help the players play the game with the FUN intended. I hope that the solution is found quickly and fixed swiftly. Best Regards, T 2
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:16:00 - [281] Originally by: T 2 Dear CCP representatives, Thank you very much for starting to investigate this. Thank you. This is a moment that helps me personally believe more to the developers want to help the players play the game with the FUN intended. I hope that the solution is found quickly and fixed swiftly. Best Regards, T 2 Except there have been these reports around for months, I myself made a thread complaining of it and there have been many many threads, petitions etc. For them to take this long just to decide its now worth investigating is a little demoralising, its almost as if they never beleived the complaints... just like we complained about broken drones for years before CCP would even acknowledge there was a problem. Same ole CCP.
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:36:00 - [282] Originally by: Sade Onyx Originally by: T 2 T'2s jargon.. Except there have been these reports around for months, I myself made a thread complaining of it and there have been many many threads, petitions etc. For them to take this long just to decide its now worth investigating is a little demoralising, its almost as if they never beleived the complaints... just like we complained about broken drones for years before CCP would even acknowledge there was a problem. Same ole CCP. Indeed. The response time is way too slow. However I see the dilemma about paying attention to all feedback regarding the game. That would be an impossible job. Perhaps some sort of petition system for CEO's and Directors where you could submit possible game mechanics / server performance issues would work. Perhaps not. However I'm so relieved that this is beeing looked at that I don't bother to care too much about the response time now Best Regards, T 2
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 - [283] For once I agree with these pointless /signed efforts. We've even been getting awful lag and desynch's in 20v20 battles... that's with brackets off, overview filtered down to just show non fleeted players, all the special effects (turret settings etc) turned off. Plus I am running it on a dual core, 3GB memory and an HD3850 512MB card. Is it just me? Nope! It was everyone else in the fleet too. I admit it might be one person with poor hardware or a poor EVE setup, but all 40 people
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.06 23:44:00 - [284] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 06/02/2009 23:45:16 On the 1st of February, we had a reasonably small scal fight in Amamake. The whole damn thing was a farce, and cosequently several petitions and **posts here were sent out. My petition consisted of the following: Originally by:** Myself Hi there, We just had a mid sized (30vs30) fight in the faction warfare zone of Amamake and nobody was able to fight due to massive lag. Entering space 20 times, etc, is not acceptable. I realise that your servers most likely won't show any lag in Eve, ever, but it happened. Zoomed right out, all brackets off, all effects off, nd the problem remains fight after fight. Fortunately this time I didn't die. Thanks. 8 days later (today) I finally get a response: Originally by: Non-specific CCP Employee Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. We are afraid that in this case, we are unable to reimburse your ship. Our reimbursement policies mean that unless we are able to verify in our server side logs that the loss was the result of a bug or error within the game or server, our hands are tied with regards to providing reimbursement. Please refer to our reimbursement policy page for more information: URL: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp Our apologies for any inconvenience you may have suffered because of this. Best Regards, GM Non-specific CCP Employee The EVE Online Customer Support Team Curious, I replied: Originally by: Myself, again Hello GM non-specific CCP Employee, You surely are a testament to CCP's customer support if you took over a week to NOT read my petition text. I didn't claim to have lost a ship, I was merely informing you that you need to do something about the hideous lag in the Faction Warfare areas of space - specifically The Bleak Lands. Thanks. Why am I getting the generic "NO LAG EVER CAME FROM EVE, SORRY, NO SHIP FOR YOU" response, even when I didn't lose a ship? Edit: Sorry, I know it seems like another whinge post. Thanks for the input Mitnal et al. I'll be posting in the other thread directly.
3c509 Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.02.12 18:17:00 - [285] bump

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