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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.20 21:34:00 -
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Alright, Today I was out hunting in lowsec. Nothing is better than taking your Taranis and ramming it straight up the tailpipe of a Hurricane, or watching a Caracal melt under heavy blaster fire. It relaxes the body, clears the mind, and rejuvenates the spirit after working a shift in retail. Nothing's better than killing people while thinking "yes, that's right, you should have bought that extended warranty on that X-box! Now suck it!"
I was out with my buddy Raf and we were cruising around in our pimped out T2 Frigs. We played cat and mouse with some lowsec ratters. All's cool. Local spikes, then drops to just us two a few seconds later. We spotted them just as they jumped out. That's the moment when we both shouted "gatecamp!" in fleet. Sure enough, they had 6 men in Cruiser to BS sized hulls camping the other side. We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape. Do you know how? Because gate camps don't work in lowsec. They just don't. Oh sure you catch BS's and stupid industrialists, but they just don't work. (this is a subtle hint that gate guns are killing eve lowsec combat.)
Additionally, for some reason every corp and alliance has this misconception- They can fight gorillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rd of harassing pirates, don't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, actually FIGHT US. Most of us are looking for fun fights, quick clean and painless. If you want to kill us, fight on our terms and be good at it, or set traps. The idea of blobbing is terribly ineffective. Stop trying. With the recent buff to AF's and Interceptors, your simply NOT going to catch us, and we sure as hell are going to catch your ratters and mission runners with their pants down eventually.
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Nocturnal Avenger
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Posted - 2009.01.20 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape.
I guess you are a pvp-god of some sort. - Carebear Pirate - |
DudTrap
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones
This is also another well known misconseption, i think the general rule of "gate active" is get ready to fight, i.e. deploy drones. Im sure there not trying to lag you out with 6 people in local :)
Dud
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:02:26
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Blastil
We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape.
I guess you are a pvp-god of some sort.
Well, I'd certainly would lay claim to the tile if gate camps were some kind of challenge. hell, even in 0.0 they're not the pwn mobiles of combat. POSes are.
Edit: as for drones, I've seen the tactic work. I watched one of our FC's use it. If deployed right it will cause your client to load slower.
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Shae Tiann
Hellcats The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: DudTrap the general rule of "gate active" is get ready to fight, i.e. deploy drones. Im sure there not trying to lag you out with 6 people in local :)
What he said ---------------------------------
Sweet Little Bad Girl
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BruisedMoon
Amarr Power Seed Enterprises VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Alright, Today I was out hunting in lowsec. Nothing is better than taking your Taranis and ramming it straight up the tailpipe of a Hurricane, or watching a Caracal melt under heavy blaster fire. It relaxes the body, clears the mind, and rejuvenates the spirit after working a shift in retail. Nothing's better than killing people while thinking "yes, that's right, you should have bought that extended warranty on that X-box! Now suck it!"
I was out with my buddy Raf and we were cruising around in our pimped out T2 Frigs. We played cat and mouse with some lowsec ratters. All's cool. Local spikes, then drops to just us two a few seconds later. We spotted them just as they jumped out. That's the moment when we both shouted "gatecamp!" in fleet. Sure enough, they had 6 men in Cruiser to BS sized hulls camping the other side. We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape. Do you know how? Because gate camps don't work in lowsec. They just don't. Oh sure you catch BS's and stupid industrialists, but they just don't work. (this is a subtle hint that gate guns are killing eve lowsec combat.)
Additionally, for some reason every corp and alliance has this misconception- They can fight gorillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rd of harassing pirates, don't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, actually FIGHT US. Most of us are looking for fun fights, quick clean and painless. If you want to kill us, fight on our terms and be good at it, or set traps. The idea of blobbing is terribly ineffective. Stop trying. With the recent buff to AF's and Interceptors, your simply NOT going to catch us, and we sure as hell are going to catch your ratters and mission runners with their pants down eventually.
Do you think maybe they couldn't catch you cause you were in a frig?
All it takes is two remote sensor boosteres on a hic and your lunch dude....
dont blame the rest of eve cause the few gate campes you went through were fail...
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Max Mem
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:02:26
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Blastil
We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape.
I guess you are a pvp-god of some sort.
Well, I'd certainly would lay claim to the tile if gate camps were some kind of challenge. hell, even in 0.0 they're not the pwn mobiles of combat. POSes are.
Edit: as for drones, I've seen the tactic work. I watched one of our FC's use it. If deployed right it will cause your client to load slower.
Just an example of the need to nerf nanos
Nerf nanos Nerf nanos I say
lol
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:08:00 -
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I to misconceived that this thread was about eve combat. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: BruisedMoon Do you think maybe they couldn't catch you cause you were in a frig?
All it takes is two remote sensor boosteres on a hic and your lunch dude....
Two remote sensor boosters might catch you a cruiser now but not a frig, smartbombs on the outgate is the only real way to catch a frig in lowsec that doesn't want to be caught. |
Spurty
Caldari Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:18:00 -
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I want to make a joke about the 'misconception' being further up the stream, but I think it loses something in the translation from wit with words to humor understood by the average forum warrior ;0 |
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Originally by: BruisedMoon Do you think maybe they couldn't catch you cause you were in a frig?
All it takes is two remote sensor boosteres on a hic and your lunch dude....
Two remote sensor boosters might catch you a cruiser now but not a frig, smartbombs on the outgate is the only real way to catch a frig in lowsec that doesn't want to be caught.
Its true. If you have half a brain you have insta's, safes, and tacticals bookmarked in EVERY system you fly through with any regularity. All it takes is a brain and maybe an I-stab and you can dodge everything that comes for you in a frigate hull. |
Chief Simpson
Minmatar Sanitation Worker's Union of Null Sec
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Additionally, for some reason every pirate corp and alliance has this misconception- They can fight guerrillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rid of harassing pirates, fellow pirates shouldn't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, [you should] actually FIGHT US.
Fixed it for ya ----------- Cleaning up the garbage in null sec, one belt at a time... |
Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chief Simpson
Originally by: Blastil
Additionally, for some reason every pirate corp and alliance has this misconception- They can fight guerrillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rid of harassing pirates, fellow pirates shouldn't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, [you should] actually FIGHT US.
Fixed it for ya
I fail to see the funny or the relevance. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 20/01/2009 22:59:13 my fleet BS for my alliance has 3 SB for my perticular ship
i can lock a frig in 4 seconds (max targeting , locking and range skills to V ) and since i am sniping can track your ship and engage your ship
you just had some lucky gates
oooh and 0.0 is bubbled =)
evade some 0.0 gate camps and then report back in :)
heard curse is rather popular this year |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
I fail to see the funny or the relevance.
I'll spell it out for you. CAREBEARS don't want to fight you any more than you want to mine veldspar. They're carebears.
The guys you see are GANKBEARS. Sure, they may not get a frig kill. But they'll still gank stuff which looks nice on a killboard sooner or later.
And yeah, my Ishkur is just freaking awesome now. Makes up for my megathron being a big gray pile of crap. Almost.
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Chief Simpson
Minmatar Sanitation Worker's Union of Null Sec
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Originally by: Chief Simpson
Originally by: Blastil
Additionally, for some reason every pirate corp and alliance has this misconception- They can fight guerrillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rid of harassing pirates, fellow pirates shouldn't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, [you should] actually FIGHT US.
Fixed it for ya
I fail to see the funny or the relevance.
a. Gorillas are big primates. b. What is the ratio of non-pirate to pirate organizations who camp gates in low-sec? Granted, I spend very little time in Gankbear country, but I doubt that Carebears spend much time camping gates waiting for Gankbears to appear.
----------- Cleaning up the garbage in null sec, one belt at a time... |
sleepyhead87
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:56:00 -
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Look at the lot of ya. Such nubs. Bring the ibis(es) out! |
Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:20:00 -
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The misconception is probably that you think they care about your 2 frigs.
Bring something juicier for them to fight and I'm sure you'll get one.
"You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus |
Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:38:00 -
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The Misconception is that you think nano***ging PieWratting is PVP.
Try 0.0 and fighting in something that costs more than my Ammo. Then you will see just how efficient a gate camp can be.
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midge Mo'yb
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi The Misconception is that you think nano***ging PieWratting is PVP.
Try 0.0 and fighting in something that costs more than my Ammo. Then you will see just how efficient a gate camp can be.
and yo uguys seem to think throwing 500 people at a system is pvp -----------------------------------------------
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
you just had some lucky gates
I've seen quite a few gatecamps, and I honestly can't remember the last time I lost an interceptor to one.
Originally by: Armoured C
oooh and 0.0 is bubbled =)
evade some 0.0 gate camps and then report back in :)
heard curse is rather popular this year
I just got back from curse, thank you very much. I was dodging bubbles there too, from bubbles that missed my POD by 5000 M, to bubbles that people bumped me out of. Professional ones done by people like BoB, Atlas, MM, Razor, and CVA and slap-together impromptu defense gatecamps. they are NOT hard to beat in an interceptor. The gate camping strategy is useless to catch single ships which are well piloted and designed NOT to die at camps. I don't understand why people even use it any more. Its only good to catch large ships. A solo large ship is just as easily caught by an interceptor as it is caught by a bubble camp.
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Haalanii
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:05:00 -
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The whole idea is that lowsec is less dangerous because sentry guns give you cover. This makes it harder to use the ships with the best scan res.
The result is frigates are rarely killed on lowsec gates.
If they removed guns lowsec would just be 0.0 with security hits and weaker rats. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:13:00 -
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you killboard here
battleclinic KB
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With the recent buff to AF's and Interceptors, your simply NOT going to catch us, and we sure as hell are going to catch your ratters and mission runners with their pants down eventually.YARRRR!!
think again
click here for the EvELife blog |
Mei Ree
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:26:00 -
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What I learned in this thread: When losing a ship in a lowsec gate camp, the best thing to do is sulk for a couple of days then post smacktalk in GD. |
TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:37:00 -
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TLDR version: I was in a ceptor and a bunch of battleships failed to lock me in time to warp away. You all fail. Look how awesome I am.
Gatecamps work, its why people do them. Roaming is fun, its why you do it. Blobbing does work, just ask anyone in 0.0. Escaping with your nanospeed does not mean you win, it just means they don't win either. |
Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C Edited by: Armoured C on 21/01/2009 01:20:05 you killboard here
Oh wow, because my basis as an interceptor pilot is generally related solely to the kills involved with Executive Outcomes. Besides, I died.
http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_related&kll_id=54543
So did 13 other pilots. I stayed to fight and have fun. And we did, Imagine that, FUN in a game about internet spaceships.
Additionally, I don't give a **** about 0.0 gate campers, I'm pointing out that camping in lowsec is a generally pointless endeavor that ends in either no kills or one-sided gank-fests and I don't understand why anyone keeps using the tactic. Its pretty much fail in lowsec.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil <stuff>
Um, what? You're bragging about flying around in AFs and not getting caught? So what? Anyone who flies an AF is fitting to run anyway. You're not looking for a fight, you're looking to flee.
I never chase pilots who are in anything smaller than a cruiser. The worst thing you can do is give chase and allow them the idea that they somehow have bested you by running away as fast as possible and not been killed.
The only entities capable of removing pirates are other pirates. Carebears simply don't have the skills and experience to do it. And by carebears, I mean both the high sec and 0.0 varieties.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:19:00 -
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I'd be inclined to say that without gate guns then people would be even LESS likely to go to Low Sec. "omg every system is camped by frigate swarms omg", and it'd be a valid complaint. The fact of the matter is that the only thing that'll move people to Low Sec is better industrial and PvE rewards... but every time that gets suggested then a bunch of people start saying "BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO GO TO LOW SEC BAWWW".
I dunno. I gotta make time to actually get online when the rest of the corp is and actually do some ops with them one of these days. At least pirate gangs can still find other pirate gangs if they roam far enough. |
Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum I'd be inclined to say that without gate guns then people would be even LESS likely to go to Low Sec. "omg every system is camped by frigate swarms omg", and it'd be a valid complaint. The fact of the matter is that the only thing that'll move people to Low Sec is better industrial and PvE rewards... but every time that gets suggested then a bunch of people start saying "BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO GO TO LOW SEC BAWWW".
I dunno. I gotta make time to actually get online when the rest of the corp is and actually do some ops with them one of these days. At least pirate gangs can still find other pirate gangs if they roam far enough.
Yeah, but if we meet on a gate, we just stare at eachother untill one starts shooting first and gains the disadvantage =( |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.21 03:00:00 -
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your saying gate camping doesnt work ,
well evidently it does |
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