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Ibram Ancille ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Ignition SemperFi ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. Screw the ransom, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. o/ Traidor! Nice to see you're still around, dude. o/ hai everyone! Quite the reunion
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Ibram Ancille Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Ignition SemperFi ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. Screw the ransom, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. o/ Traidor! Nice to see you're still around, dude. o/ hai everyone! Quite the reunion IBRAHEEM, IBRAHEEM, DOES WHATEVER AN IBRAHEEM DOES. CAN HE ****, ON MY CHEST? YES HE CAN! IT'S THE BEST! LOOK OUT!! HERE COMES THE IBRAHEEEM!
Ibram Ancille ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Sol'Kanar IBRAHEEM, IBRAHEEM, DOES WHATEVER AN IBRAHEEM DOES. CAN HE ****, ON MY CHEST? YES HE CAN! IT'S THE BEST! LOOK OUT!! HERE COMES THE IBRAHEEEM! Everyone is staring at me now LMAO
Rekatan	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:26:00 - [64] I have yet to see it mentioned so I'll have a go at it lol. I have yet to pirate as I'm still getting my skills/build in order, but it appears to me that the entire spirit of piracy has been long lost here. I mean really all this talk of honor and dignity when referring to pirates? Last I checked by definition a pirate should be completely devoid of these qualities. If a pirate ransoms you and honors it then congrats you met one of the nice ones, but if a pirate ransoms you and completes the kill then you just got scammed... Which means the pirate was that much more successful ;) . As for pirates trying to build up some honorable reputation as one of the "nice pirates" perhaps you're playing the wrong game lol. At the very least don't get mad at the real pirates who are taking anything and everything they can get their hands on, as a pirate should! As for me... I'm about ready to head in and start pirating myself, and I can assure you I will never once offer a ransom. So if anyone pays me a ransom that was never offered, I'll consider it a donation to my cause :) . No honor amongst thieves.
Hallan Turrek Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:15:00 - [65] I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest.
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:22:00 - [66] Last time i honored a ransom the damn kid had seen my face and told the cops. I love lawyers and technicalities though. Next time when the parents pay up i just kill the damn thing and mail it.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 08:44:00 - [67] Originally by: Le Poupon Last time i honored a ransom the damn kid had seen my face and told the cops. I love lawyers and technicalities though. Next time when the parents pay up i just kill the damn thing and mail it - in game. fixed it for you. Originally by: Hallan Turrek I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest. I fully agree - it's quite the same for me. However, I stopped trying to teach people how to play. There was a discussion of the same kind a long time ago and I became upset about Sol's argumentation. When thinking about it again I felt a bit stupid going emotional over a computer game. 'In character' I hate the dishonest s****that is giving us honorable losec pies a bad reputation. Out of character like here on the forums I am losing the excitement about it.
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 10:22:00 - [68] I would like to say, the next time a mission runner scrambles me.... i need to check whether or not he honors ransoms. aimidoingitright? ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Exlegion Caldari New Light	Posted - 2009.01.22 12:29:00 - [69] Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Exlegion Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . Rest assured mission runners of New Eden - The Guristas Associates will not dishonor a ransom. If you are scammed for a ransom by TGA please contact me in game. Such offence will not be tolerated and swift action will be taken against the offender.
eve warrior Minmatar Filthy Scum	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:13:00 - [71] Originally by: Hallan Turrek I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest. I used to be like this, but these days i really dont care much and just want to cause as much greif as possilbe. We still make a good profit, over 500mill in the last week in ransoms and then on top of that we got there loot too and as a added bouns a few Hate mails which are always good fun to read. Its just a game after all and hads NO bearing on real life. When i ransom and killed its Not me talking, its my char. ew
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Hallan Turrek The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. lol, honour. But seriously, whatever floats your boat. Originally by: H Lector However, I stopped trying to teach people how to play. There was a discussion of the same kind a long time ago and I became upset about Sol's argumentation. When thinking about it again I felt a bit stupid going emotional over a computer game. I remember that, and now I'm torn. It's nice that you've changed your position on things, but it's also crappy that you aren't going emo on me. My inner troll is a little bummed. Originally by: Exlegion Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms If I felt that making my arguments public actually had an effect on things in-game, I wouldn't say anything. Truth is, you're one out of thousands, and entirely insignificant. Congrats on being able to rub two brain cells together and read C&P.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Sol'Kanar I remember that, and now I'm torn. It's nice that you've changed your position on things, but it's also crappy that you aren't going emo on me. My inner troll is a little bummed. Sorry to hear But you know after reading C&P almost a year I cannot be upset easily anymore. You really have to try harder m8
Hallan Turrek Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:04:00 - [74] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Hallan Turrek The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. lol, honour. But seriously, whatever floats your boat. Yeah, that's pretty much the point. I am who I am. You are who you are. You won't change, neither will I. I'll be the first to jump up and refute people that think all of us are like you. I'll be the third or fourth to wing out on idiots who think you ruin ransoms for me. They're wrong(and apparently bad pirates), but I agree with them in spirit after all. People I ransom don't know that the offer is solid until after it's honored. I'll even offer singing ransoms to people if they don't feel like ponying up the money. I have fun my way, you can keep having fun your way. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts Check out my blog.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:02:00 - [75] Well im proud to say I always honor ransoms....Wait what. Whats up boys, miss you all.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:08:00 - [76] Quote: I know of one certain high sec person (there are no pirates in high sec) who I feel is not a pirate but an individual who helps with the redistribution of wealth. I will not name names (and it is not me) who has operated in the same three systems for the past 6 months (could be a year) and has no problems what so ever getting said ransoms and then removing mission runner from the system with guns blazing (well, missiles flying anyway). So who is this guy,
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Raven Owa Well im proud to say I always honor ransoms....Wait what. Whats up boys, miss you all. There he is! Hay lubber. I miss you and your sultry voice too.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:38:00 - [78] Quote: There he is! Hay lubber. I miss you and your sultry voice too. Well have to regroup for the reunion tour. I got a **** load of Drone thingys for you.
Dickens Cider	Posted - 2009.01.22 16:36:00 - [79] Originally by: H Lecter But you know after reading C&P almost a year I cannot be upset easily anymore. You really have to try harder m8 Trolling (for emo rage among other things) is like fishing. There is no 'try'. You just throw your line out and enjoy what bites you get. The worst that can happen is you spill your beer.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 18:46:00 - [80] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 22/01/2009 18:49:13 Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: I know of one certain high sec person (there are no pirates in high sec) who I feel is not a pirate but an individual who helps with the redistribution of wealth. I will not name names (and it is not me) who has operated in the same three systems for the past 6 months (could be a year) and has no problems what so ever getting said ransoms and then removing mission runner from the system with guns blazing (well, missiles flying anyway). So who is this guy, I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. Hi Raven. Originally by: Exlegion And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . Unless this is tattooed on every mission runners forehead and they have a mirror atop their computer it aint going to help. Tattoo it on your girlfriends **, it still wont help. *********************************************** I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 19:32:00 - [81] Quote: I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. You my friend will always have immunity to planet 1.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.22 23:45:00 - [82] There is no honor in letting someone leave just because they have a pocket book. Why should you take one persons money and let them go when someone else can't afford to do the same? Kill them all I say. And if you think you can bribe me just to save your ship then you are filth. The only honorable thing to do is die a good death...don't try and get out of it just because you have a wallet with a wad of cash in it.
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.23 00:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Warrio Internet honour is serious business. This one time, in high sec, I killed a guy. And then our gang scrambled his pod and demanded ransom. He refused and told us we were not honourable. We kept him there for 5 minutes, remote repping his pod while I had a signle Warrior II attack him until he admitted we were honourable. It took him a little while til he decided to try to self destruct. Victim: rude carebear Alliance: None Corp: some high sec carebear corp Destroyed: Capsule System: some highsec system Security: 0.7 Damage Taken: 3801 Also, Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. I am trying this from now on.
3yeb4ll Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2009.01.23 00:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. You my friend will always have immunity to planet 1. Lol - unlike Rat and Ren. Herro RAK :)
NaMorham Santorin Caldari Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2009.01.23 02:42:00 - [85] Quote: If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. I am presuming this is low sec, or is it possible to scramble a pod in high sec without cops showing?
Deq	Posted - 2009.01.23 05:12:00 - [86] Edited by: Deq on 23/01/2009 05:14:29 Originally by: Tristen Orde Been dishonoring ransoms for 2 years. In those 2 years, no one has ever told me 'I'm not paying you a ransom because people usually break ransoms'. 30% of the time the guy doesn't respond to the convo request. 20% of the time the guy flat out refuses ransom and 50% of the time I get a ransom. Then I blow up their ship. This is the way it's always been and it won't change. This. I'm sorry but if we manage to catch a jump freighter coming through our lowsec pocket, we are going to a) bump him off station, b) scram/web and shoot him into hull and c) demand a ransom. Then we'll kill him. Pirating is a hard business nowadays and he's probably carrying another 300 mil in cargo. Smaller things (cruisers, BC's) we will honor ransoms a lot of the time just because they're not going to drop anything worthwhile. But we also lurv killmails, so it's about 50/50 chance ... still I think most people paying ransoms realize there's a 50/50 chance they gonna get killed anyway, but are willin to pay money to roll the dice. I don't know why people are so up in arms about this. In the real world, how often do kidnappers honor ransoms? Idk the actual stats but I'm pretty sure it's a long way away from 100% of the time. People pay ransoms IRL cuz they're hoping the kidnapper will honor the ransom. And that's why they pay them in EVE. And they'll continue to pay them, no matter how often someone pays a ransom and gets blown up anyway. Just for the chance they might live. Also just some common sense ... if someone who is not below -5.0 sec status has you locked down and is askin for a ransom in lowsec, you generally have a pretty good chance they'll honor the ransom, cuz those are the guys that are still worried about their sec status and killing you is gonna drop them quite a bit (especially if you don't shoot back). We tend to not enjoy the stints when we have to go rat 0.0 to get our sec status back up, so the vast majority of the time we'll let you go. Especially if you aren't a total ****tard in local. (EDIT: Referring to non-capitals again, ofc :P )
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.23 09:06:00 - [87] Originally by: Deq Also just some common sense ... if someone who is not below -5.0 sec status has you locked down and is askin for a ransom in lowsec, you generally have a pretty good chance they'll honor the ransom, cuz those are the guys that are still worried about their sec status and killing you is gonna drop them quite a bit (especially if you don't shoot back). We tend to not enjoy the stints when we have to go rat 0.0 to get our sec status back up, so the vast majority of the time we'll let you go. Especially if you aren't a total ****tard in local. This can be done the other way. If guy is above -5 then piracy is not his main occupation, go figure if he's really interested in keeping larger ransom possibilities for himself in future The kind of people who are like "oh, my SS got too high, time to blow it a bit" is quite unlikely to honour ransom :)
RenegadeRacer Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:09:00 - [88] Originally by: 3yeb4ll Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. You my friend will always have immunity to planet 1. Lol - unlike Rat and Ren. Herro RAK :) you couldn't resist could you? the reunion continues...
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:29:00 - [89] p1 is overrated. THe bottom planet is where all the fun is nowadays ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
MxDxK	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Lauren Sheaperd Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. Current record is 25 minutes. This. Current Record: Two hours, Five Minutes. Wait a minute, you mean to say someones pod kept you occupied for two hours and five minutes? Two hours? for real? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No, wait, ok yeah... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Two hours you could have been out making more ransom demands and you spent it letting a pod decoy you. You know what the best part about this is? You're in here bragging about it! Why not just take up mining, you can hold that belt for as long as you like, at least you'd be making something off it.

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