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Royale WiCheese Caldari Fortuna inc.	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:34:00 - [1] I'm all for ganking high sec missioners, I mean, why not? Just though i'd let you guys know, the corp: Passive Resistance do NOT honor ransoms, so if you are unlucky enough to get caught, I urge you not to pay. Pirates? Nah... Scum Fly safe missioners
Jonny 101 Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:57:00 - [2] In high sec all bets are off, ransom is just another word for extra pwn there. Hope they get you again, scum.
Velocity Prime Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:21:00 - [3] If you would be so kind as to give the name of the system in which your are running missions, for a small fee I can make sure that these scoundrels cease all mission runner griefing activities there.
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Jonny 101 In low sec all bets are off, ransom is just another word for extra pwn there. Fixed that for you.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:50:00 - [5] Thanks for the heads up Royale. I'll make sure if I ever catch one of them I return the favor CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
WNKyle Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:55:00 - [6] Edited by: WNKyle on 21/01/2009 00:54:55 Originally by: Jonny 101 In eve all bets are off, ransom is just another word for extra pwn there.quote] Fixed that for you.
Sang Jin Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:34:00 - [7] Ransom???
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:37:00 - [8] Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 21/01/2009 01:38:04 ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. thank you for proving darwin right ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Einar Lightfingers Army 0f Two	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:38:00 - [9] Sigh... Fools be those who dishonor ransoms. And fools be those who think it's okay. Idiots like you make ransoming harder. _______________________ Once a BEE, always a BEE!
Bizzaro0 La Coka Nostra	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:45:00 - [10] You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?

Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:45:00 - [11] the difference is in lowsec... the ppl care to find out bout the locals and yada yada see if the honor ransoms or not. Thats where its important to keep the reputation of honoring ransoms. In highsec, usually its a 50/50 whether i have dishonored them in the past or not. Most of my targets have never seen me or heard about me. Yet they keep paying. ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:52:00 - [12] What's funny is that pirates who have tried to ransom me actually get offended if I say "Why pay when I know you won't honor it?"
Hallan Turrek Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.21 03:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Normin Bates What's funny is that pirates who have tried to ransom me actually get offended if I say "Why pay when I know you won't honor it?" You can either pay and live, or not pay and die. I've got a bad habit sometimes of just killing people and not even trying to ransom them. I profit pretty well off of modules and I get tired of the hassle involved in trying to ransom. That said, if I offer a ransom, or you pay one without prompting, I'll honor it or return your money. Simple as that. Good heads up on another group of idiots. It doesn't matter if it's high or low sec. It's not just reputation, though that is a big part of it. It's honor.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.21 04:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Normin Bates What's funny is that pirates who have tried to ransom me actually get offended if I say "Why pay when I know you won't honor it?" that is when I say suit yourself, and press f1-f8. I am just as happy having your frozen corpse, as when you do pay the ransom. personally I just wouldn't pay the ransom out of spite, would be happy to go down swinging, or just self destructing.
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.01.21 05:38:00 - [15] Guys, just honour the ransoms, you wouldn't want someone to post your names on the forums would you????
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.21 06:00:00 - [16] Internet honour is serious business.
John Cogan	Posted - 2009.01.21 06:45:00 - [17] High sec, low sec, doesnt matter. If I was ransomed and had the money to pay the asking price I would pay it without hesitation if I knew it was honoured. This is all part and parcel of the game, but with this sort of thing going I think it'll be easier to simply get popped and hope that the scumbag gets away with minimal modules. There is such as a thing as honor among pirates and this class of person/corp is not one of them.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.21 07:43:00 - [18] If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. Current record is 25 minutes.
Kanya Nague Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 08:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Bizzaro0 You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France? They dont call it Quarter Pounder with cheese?
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 08:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Kanya Nague Originally by: Bizzaro0 You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France? They dont call it Quarter Pounder with cheese? No - they call it Hamburger 'Royal'. And do you know why? My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance

H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:02:00 - [21] ...and a word to the OP. You should not shoot other players stealing your loot if you are not sure that you can kill them reliably. PVE fittings die to PVP fittings. The guy visiting you in that mission deadspace will be pvp fitted. My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:35:00 - [22] Edited by: Kehmor on 21/01/2009 12:35:51 Scu.m of the eve universe: High sec mission runners Macroers People who don't honour ransoms in low sec In that order. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Lauren Sheaperd Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. Current record is 25 minutes. This. Current Record: Two hours, Five Minutes. ----
Lord Windu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:05:00 - [24] Originally by: H Lecter Originally by: Kanya Nague Originally by: Bizzaro0 You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France? They dont call it Quarter Pounder with cheese? No - they call it Hamburger 'Royal'. And do you know why? Because of the metric system? Sig coming SoonÖ
MrWhitei God Minmatar EvE-Mobile Holding	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord Windu Originally by: H Lecter Originally by: Kanya Nague Originally by: Bizzaro0 You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France? They dont call it Quarter Pounder with cheese? No - they call it Hamburger 'Royal'. And do you know why? Because of the metric system? the metric system?
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:01:00 - [26] I HATE people who don't honour ransoms, it makes people stop paying ransoms i live in low sec only, and the amount of people who won't pay a ransom because xxx didn't before is quite a lot... I've been working for months now to build up a reputation that i (and my corp) honour ransoms, it has made a small difference so far btw! also, if i see people (or hear about) that don't honour ransoms in the space i roam, i'll do my best to kill them or at least make their life horrible but yeah, other people not honouring ransoms is bad for buisness :( only about 10% actually pay and i have my ransom prices very low compared to all i've met (so its not my pricing). -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Sol''Kanar on 21/01/2009 14:17:17 lol, honor in hi-sec. There have been countless discussions on why honouring hi-sec ransoms is pointless. However, since some of you lack the cognitive thought to figure this one out, I shall provide some easily-digested bullet points: In high-sec, the "mark" is in complete control of the situation. They decide if there is going to be an engagement. In low-sec, this is not the case. In high-sec there is a glut of newer players. Many of these players will remain in hi-sec indefinitely or will end up quitting Eve before ever venturing to lo/no-sec. Newer players often times feel compelled to fit really expensive things on their ships. The potential of a really expensive loss tends to make them very prone to paying handsom ransoms. If they actually do get let go, see bullet point one as to why they will likely never get ganked again. hi-sec mission runners are usually lone-wolfs. They may be in a corp, but their greed dictates that they solo. They don't have friends and they don't read the forums (much less ever read C&P). These are just some reasons off the top of my head. I think this should be enough for you silly honour-bound lo-sec piwates to understand why ransoms should not be honoured in hi-sec. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to ask. I promise to help you over this apparent learning deficiency of yours. Edit: GRAMMAR POLICE!
Eschiava Q Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:40:00 - [28] Sol, It's not about what can be gotten away with, it's about honor. But from your post it seems clear I'd be wasting my time trying to explain it further.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Eschiava Q Sol, It's not about what can be gotten away with, it's about honor. But from your post it seems clear I'd be wasting my time trying to explain it further. Fair enough! You feel honour-bound in Internet spaceships and I do not. I'm in it for profit. If circumstances were different and honouring ransoms in hi-sec paid better, I'd do that. But it's not, so I won't. What makes me chuckle are the lo-sec pirates that ** and moan about how I'm doing it wrong and ruining their future business. Frankly, I don't give a ** about their preferred play style. If you can't adapt to a dynamic game, then die off already. You suck for not learning new tricks.
RenegadeRacer Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:32:00 - [30] people who dishonor ransoms are a myth.

the Entity testicular Fortitude Sherwood Forest	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:37:00 - [31] honour in eve? every man for themselves i say Originally by: Acama Asante so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:43:00 - [32] Originally by: RenegadeRacer people who dishonor ransoms are a myth. What he said. I am not the homo-erotic bad guy you are looking for... o/ Ren!
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:49:00 - [33] People should forget about teaching hisec pirates how to play in a 'honorful way'. I also shared this misconception for some time, but finally I recognized that such attempts are entirely futile. I gotta agree with Sol that there are two different target audiences in Eve that will hardly ever mix - hisec dwellers and those who like to venture into lawless space. For us in losec it's almost mandatory to honor a ransom because the people we target are better informed as they are cooperating more with others and a higher percentage reads the Eve-o forums. That being said - if The Guristas Associates ransom you, we will stick to our word and let you go. However, we do not automatically feel obliged to ransom everyone foolish enough to get caught. If time and situation permit we always appreciate financial compensation for our efforts, if it does not we are also happy about loot and corpse. Now enjoy the game we like to play so much and accept the (virtual) reality of dishonored ransoms in hisec...
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:02:00 - [34] Originally by: H Lecter Way too much common sense.
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:07:00 - [35] Word of bad experiences spreads like fire while good experiences are almost unheard of. Most often it only takes one bad experience to set the standard response for most people. Thus: 1. Player gets ransomed. (high-sec, low-sec, where ever) 2. Ransom is not honored. 3. Player vows never to pay another ransom. 4. Player tells everyone he knows or encounters about ransoms. 5. Player gets ransomed again by "honorable" pirates who will honor ransom. 6. Player remembers past experience and decides to cut his losses. 7. Player tells pirates to hurry up and pop his pod so he can get back to playing because he knows they won't honor the ransom. 8. Pirates wonder why ransoms work less and less.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:16:00 - [36] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 21/01/2009 16:20:37 Yes, players don't remember the corp name that dishonored a ransom. They only remember whether it was high sec or low sec. And everyone knows in hi sec ransoms are to be dishonored. So please do keep dishonoring ransoms. Carve your own eye out. You'll still have an extra one anyway. I personally enjoy pirate threads on how piracy doesn't pay and how it's all the carebears' fault .
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Normin Bates Word of bad experiences spreads like fire while good experiences are almost unheard of. Most often it only takes one bad experience to set the standard response for most people. Thus: 1. Player gets ransomed. (high-sec, low-sec, where ever) 2. Ransom is not honored. 3. Player vows never to pay another ransom. 4. Player tells everyone he knows or encounters about ransoms. 5. Player gets ransomed again by "honorable" pirates who will honor ransom. 6. Player remembers past experience and decides to cut his losses. 7. Player tells pirates to hurry up and pop his pod so he can get back to playing because he knows they won't honor the ransom. 8. Pirates wonder why ransoms work less and less. Look m8, you (supposedly) honor ransoms as do I and it's fine! Sol and others (in my experience mostly hisec pirates) do not. How will you force them to change their mind? Pay a mercenary corp to hunt them down and kill them for your precious ISK? Rat up your -10 sec status to wardec & gank them yourself? You can do everything in game that you believe will be successful to change things, but here on the forum it's a waste of your time and energy to try. It's like telling the guys playing the market that they should go pvp or telling us pirates we should stop ransoming and killing people - we'll tell them to get over it as this is the way we chose to play the game that we pay our money for.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:23:00 - [38] Hey it's cool. Don't honor ransoms. But for the love of everything that is holy to you don't come b**ch and whine on how piracy doesn't pay, FFS.
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:30:00 - [39] Edited by: M''ing Pai on 21/01/2009 16:30:49 Originally by: H Lecter Look m8, you (supposedly) honor ransoms as do I and it's fine! Sol and others (in my experience mostly hisec pirates) do not... I would just like to go on the record that I have never dishonored a ransom, in high or lowsec. It's even against our corp charter. Highsec pirate-types aren't all without sense. edit: to put a space below this so my eyes don't bleed.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:38:00 - [40] Edited by: H Lecter on 21/01/2009 16:40:45 Originally by: M'ing Pai I would just like to go on the record that I have never dishonored a ransom, in high or lowsec. It's even against our corp charter. Highsec pirate-types aren't all without sense. You're the first ones (hisec pirates honoring ransoms) I ever heard of - but as posted before, good news do not spread out the same way like bad ones. Thumbs up! P.S.: Rofl @ Insult-o-matic

Eerie Trader	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:50:00 - [41] Meh, I never pay the ransom, figure I'll cut my losses and move on. As for getting held in my pod, that would be sort of fun, as I'd just jump to one of my other accounts and see how long they could keep it up. (wait, isn't that what she said?)
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Normin Bates Word of bad experiences spreads like fire while good experiences are almost unheard of. Most often it only takes one bad experience to set the standard response for most people. Thus: 1. Player gets ransomed. (high-sec, low-sec, where ever) 2. Ransom is not honored. 3. Player vows never to pay another ransom. 4. Player tells everyone he knows or encounters about ransoms. 5. Player gets ransomed again by "honorable" pirates who will honor ransom. 6. Player remembers past experience and decides to cut his losses. 7. Player tells pirates to hurry up and pop his pod so he can get back to playing because he knows they won't honor the ransom. 8. Pirates wonder why ransoms work less and less. That's quite a long daisy-chain of events. What really happens is more like this... 1. Player gets ransomed. 2. Ransom is not honored. 3. Player vows never to pay another ransom. 4. Player is too embarrassed to tell his friends, if he even has any. 5. Player forgets. 6. Player tells himself it will be different this time because he's got a few months more training in. 7. Player gets ransomed, etc. 8. Lo-sec pirates wonder why they make no money in low-traffic systems and decide to blame players who can adapt to a dynamic game. Basically, there are any number of outcomes from a dishonoured ransom. You and I can only pretend to divine what goes on in the mind of a target. Frankly, I don't give a **** about the profitability of your chosen profession. All it ever amounts to is guys like you whining about other player's behaviour. I've been doing what I do for a LONG time. It's never stopped being very profitable. It's like this because there's always a new influx of idiots who think they're better than they actually are. It's not my fault you can't profit from it.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Matrix Skye Hey it's cool. Don't honor ransoms. But for the love of everything that is holy to you don't come b**ch and whine on how piracy doesn't pay, FFS. Your reading comprehension is pretty poor ITT. Those that whinge about piracy not paying are the ones who HONOUR ransoms. Those of us who aren't honouring them are doing quite fine financially, tyvm.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:15:00 - [44] Originally by: M'ing Pai Edited by: M''ing Pai on 21/01/2009 16:30:49 Originally by: H Lecter Look m8, you (supposedly) honor ransoms as do I and it's fine! Sol and others (in my experience mostly hisec pirates) do not... I would just like to go on the record that I have never dishonored a ransom, in high or lowsec. It's even against our corp charter. Highsec pirate-types aren't all without sense. edit: to put a space below this so my eyes don't bleed. I'd like to clarify here that I have, do, and will in fact honour a ransom if it's in my best interest. If we're under a contract and at war, we honor the ransom and/or terms of the contract set by our employer. If I'm just ****ing around doing what I do, all bets are off, however. That being said, I'll argue that hi-sec corps with a strict policy of honouring ransoms are actually the ones without sense.
Kaya Valda Caldari Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Eerie Trader Meh, I never pay the ransom, figure I'll cut my losses and move on. Contradiction in terms. If you were cutting your losses you would pay the ransom. You choose to make sure your losses are in full by not paying. - Neo-Spartans Recruiting
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Your reading comprehension is pretty poor ITT. Those that whinge about piracy not paying are the ones who HONOUR ransoms. Those of us who aren't honouring them are doing quite fine financially, tyvm. Your reading comprehension is the one that's poor. You say there's no connection between pirates that honor and those that don't and how it's irrelevant. I'm speaking in terms of piracy in general. When pirates as a whole get a clue as to why players mostly aren't paying ransoms anymore you'll understand how it IS affecting your bottom line. Until then, enjoy carving your eye out. I'll just enjoy your self-mutilation. And when the threads start pouring in on how piracy isn't worth sht anymore, not necessarily by you , I'll just link them to this thread and wait on their pss-poor excuse it's all the carebears' fault. Should be fun, really.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:34:00 - [47] Originally by: Matrix Skye Your reading comprehension is the one that's poor. You say there's no connection between pirates that honor and those that don't and how it's irrelevant. Nope. No one is speaking in absolutes here. You should go back and read my prior posts and think critically about the points I've made. You seem to have an uncanny knack to gloss over parts you don't have a counter for. Originally by: Matrix Skye I'm speaking in terms of piracy in general. When pirates as a whole get a clue as to why players mostly aren't paying ransoms anymore you'll understand how it IS affecting your bottom line. There is quite a distinction between the dynamics of lo-sec and hi-sec combat. That distinction has a direct effect on whether one should honour a ransom or not. Apples to oranges, etc. Lumping two unlike things together and calling them the same does not make it so, no matter how much you want it to. Originally by: Matrix Skye Until then, enjoy carving your eye out. I'll just enjoy your self-mutilation. If by "carving my eye out", you mean "having a blast and making boat loads more dough than I ever could in lo-sec", then yeah, I can appreciate the sentiment. Originally by: Matrix Skye And when the threads start pouring in on how piracy isn't worth sht anymore, not necessarily by you , I'll just link them to this thread and wait on their pss-poor excuse it's all the carebears' fault. Should be fun, really. lol, "ok". So the headline will read: Sol'Kanar, solely responsible for the decline of piracy in Eve. ****, the carebears should treat me like a goddamn hero!
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. Screw the ransom, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Ignition SemperFi ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. Screw the ransom, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. o/ Traidor! Nice to see you're still around, dude.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:41:00 - [50] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 21/01/2009 17:42:17 Sol'Kanar, I like you. We share the same goals you and me, even if you don't realize it . Keep doing what you're doing .

Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 21/01/2009 17:42:17 Sol'Kanar, I like you. We share the same goals you and me, even if you don't realize it . Keep doing what you're doing . Your cryptic yet nefarious comment has had a strong effect on me. Clearly, I am just your pawn.
John Cogan	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:49:00 - [52] Originally by: H Lecter How will you force them to change their mind? Ok Might be nieve of me to say this but maybe simply through discussion on the boards a soon to be future pirate will read this and decide to be an honorable one. Then again maybe not but if changes the thinking of a few people then all is good i say.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Normin Bates Word of bad experiences spreads like fire while good experiences are almost unheard of. This is has false has ** on a hog. I know of one certain high sec person (there are no pirates in high sec) who I feel is not a pirate but an individual who helps with the redistribution of wealth. I will not name names (and it is not me) who has operated in the same three systems for the past 6 months (could be a year) and has no problems what so ever getting said ransoms and then removing mission runner from the system with guns blazing (well, missiles flying anyway). There is no communication what so ever between the mission runners in these systems. It is kind of funny. Originally by:** Sol'Kanar o/ Traidor! Nice to see you're still around, dude. Hi right back at you big guy. Been taking a break, got kind of burned out. Still training all my accounts though. Done Command Ship V, Recon V, and Heavy Assault V on both accounts. I'm about ready to get back in to mission runner baiting soon. Hope to see you in game. And I think you need to modify your insult-o-matic thing. Still has you on Nighcrew. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:50:00 - [54] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 21/01/2009 17:54:31 Cryptic? Oh no, quite the contrary. You don't see the effects you're causing the piracy profession. Or maybe you just don't care. Either way, it's like you said. Carebears will eventually thank you :P. I for one, see the benefits of what you do in the long term. And believe it or not I appreciate it .
Vall Kor Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:56:00 - [55] But I so love the sound a pod makes when it goes 'pop'
Tristen Orde Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:03:00 - [56] Edited by: Tristen Orde on 21/01/2009 18:03:19 Been dishonoring ransoms for 2 years. In those 2 years, no one has ever told me 'I'm not paying you a ransom because people usually break ransoms'. 30% of the time the guy doesn't respond to the convo request. 20% of the time the guy flat out refuses ransom and 50% of the time I get a ransom. Then I blow up their ship. This is the way it's always been and it won't change.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 21/01/2009 18:07:55 Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 21/01/2009 17:54:31 Cryptic? Oh no, quite the contrary. You don't see the effects you're causing the piracy profession. Or maybe you just don't care. Either way, it's like you said. Carebears will eventually thank you :P. I for one, see the benefits of what you do in the long term. And believe it or not I appreciate it . People have been saying this on the forums since I have been playing this game (2.5 years so far). Warp To Zero has hurt piracy more then high sec people not honoring ransoms. Maybe next time the mission runner should think twice (maybe three times) before pulling the trigger on that lone individual who is taking something out of "their" wreak or can. You pulled the trigger first, you screwed up. If you want to screw up a second time by paying ransom then go for it because you must have isk to burn. Me, like I wrote previously, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. I have had to be reminded to ask for ransoms.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 21/01/2009 17:51:36 Cryptic? Oh no, quite the contrary. You don't see the effects you're causing the piracy profession. Or maybe you just don't care. Either way, it's like you said. Carebears will eventually thank you :P. I for one, see the benefits of what you do in the long term, and believe it or not I appreciate it. I am but a single homo-erotic pirate. To think that my actions alone have a profound effect on piracy as a whole is flattering but entirely unrealistic. There are several reasons why lo-sec piracy is becoming a difficult profession. The least of which is my not honouring ransoms in hi-sec. Pirates in lo-sec are many, whereas their preferred targets are of low quality and few in number. CCP has given way too many incentives for people to stay in hi-sec. Also, the dramatic decline in cost of T2 has hurt PvP as a profitable profession more than any other factor. So, if you look at lo-sec PvP targets as a pie, you'll see it is a very small pie. MANY pirates are competing for a piece of the pie. The solution is either a bigger pie or less pirates in lo-sec.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:15:00 - [59] Originally by: John Cogan Ok Might be nieve of me to say this but maybe simply through discussion on the boards a soon to be future pirate will read this and decide to be an honorable one. Then again maybe not but if changes the thinking of a few people then all is good i say. Go ahead and try - I have seen too many discussions without any change of viewpoints to believe in it. Personally I started reading C&P after I had become a pirate and it did not have any effect on the way I play the game. I prefer honor, being aware that I will not make as much ISK as the ones who don't. But if I was after ISK I would simply run missions. - What a terrible thought A friend of mine who does not play Eve but knows a lot about it from our conversations once said if he was playing he would be the most honorless person in the universe - not because he is an a$$hole in rl, but just because he can. It's a sandbox - if people were forced to have honor I guarantee you that Eve would be long gone already . It's a question of diversity - Eve needs all types of players. I appreciate the carebears that I kill just as much as the merc that managed to kill me or that guy who dishonored a ransom. It's the way to become part of a living, breathing world that offers all moral choices that rl has to offer. Sinner or a saint or in between where you get million shades of grey - be what you want because it is your money you pay to play.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:25:00 - [60] Edited by: Sol''Kanar on 21/01/2009 18:26:38 Originally by: H Lecter ...sound advice... Let's make babies, or at least go through the motions. BOW CHICKA BOW WOW.

Ibram Ancille ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Ignition SemperFi ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. Screw the ransom, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. o/ Traidor! Nice to see you're still around, dude. o/ hai everyone! Quite the reunion
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Ibram Ancille Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Ignition SemperFi ransom in highsec.... where even if your name is plastered everywhere as not honoring ransoms.... they usually still pay. Screw the ransom, I'm just in it for the light show at the end. o/ Traidor! Nice to see you're still around, dude. o/ hai everyone! Quite the reunion IBRAHEEM, IBRAHEEM, DOES WHATEVER AN IBRAHEEM DOES. CAN HE ****, ON MY CHEST? YES HE CAN! IT'S THE BEST! LOOK OUT!! HERE COMES THE IBRAHEEEM!
Ibram Ancille ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Sol'Kanar IBRAHEEM, IBRAHEEM, DOES WHATEVER AN IBRAHEEM DOES. CAN HE ****, ON MY CHEST? YES HE CAN! IT'S THE BEST! LOOK OUT!! HERE COMES THE IBRAHEEEM! Everyone is staring at me now LMAO
Rekatan	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:26:00 - [64] I have yet to see it mentioned so I'll have a go at it lol. I have yet to pirate as I'm still getting my skills/build in order, but it appears to me that the entire spirit of piracy has been long lost here. I mean really all this talk of honor and dignity when referring to pirates? Last I checked by definition a pirate should be completely devoid of these qualities. If a pirate ransoms you and honors it then congrats you met one of the nice ones, but if a pirate ransoms you and completes the kill then you just got scammed... Which means the pirate was that much more successful ;) . As for pirates trying to build up some honorable reputation as one of the "nice pirates" perhaps you're playing the wrong game lol. At the very least don't get mad at the real pirates who are taking anything and everything they can get their hands on, as a pirate should! As for me... I'm about ready to head in and start pirating myself, and I can assure you I will never once offer a ransom. So if anyone pays me a ransom that was never offered, I'll consider it a donation to my cause :) . No honor amongst thieves.
Hallan Turrek Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:15:00 - [65] I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest.
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:22:00 - [66] Last time i honored a ransom the damn kid had seen my face and told the cops. I love lawyers and technicalities though. Next time when the parents pay up i just kill the damn thing and mail it.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 08:44:00 - [67] Originally by: Le Poupon Last time i honored a ransom the damn kid had seen my face and told the cops. I love lawyers and technicalities though. Next time when the parents pay up i just kill the damn thing and mail it - in game. fixed it for you. Originally by: Hallan Turrek I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest. I fully agree - it's quite the same for me. However, I stopped trying to teach people how to play. There was a discussion of the same kind a long time ago and I became upset about Sol's argumentation. When thinking about it again I felt a bit stupid going emotional over a computer game. 'In character' I hate the dishonest s****that is giving us honorable losec pies a bad reputation. Out of character like here on the forums I am losing the excitement about it.
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 10:22:00 - [68] I would like to say, the next time a mission runner scrambles me.... i need to check whether or not he honors ransoms. aimidoingitright? ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Exlegion Caldari New Light	Posted - 2009.01.22 12:29:00 - [69] Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Exlegion Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . Rest assured mission runners of New Eden - The Guristas Associates will not dishonor a ransom. If you are scammed for a ransom by TGA please contact me in game. Such offence will not be tolerated and swift action will be taken against the offender.

eve warrior Minmatar Filthy Scum	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:13:00 - [71] Originally by: Hallan Turrek I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest. I used to be like this, but these days i really dont care much and just want to cause as much greif as possilbe. We still make a good profit, over 500mill in the last week in ransoms and then on top of that we got there loot too and as a added bouns a few Hate mails which are always good fun to read. Its just a game after all and hads NO bearing on real life. When i ransom and killed its Not me talking, its my char. ew
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Hallan Turrek The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. lol, honour. But seriously, whatever floats your boat. Originally by: H Lector However, I stopped trying to teach people how to play. There was a discussion of the same kind a long time ago and I became upset about Sol's argumentation. When thinking about it again I felt a bit stupid going emotional over a computer game. I remember that, and now I'm torn. It's nice that you've changed your position on things, but it's also crappy that you aren't going emo on me. My inner troll is a little bummed. Originally by: Exlegion Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms If I felt that making my arguments public actually had an effect on things in-game, I wouldn't say anything. Truth is, you're one out of thousands, and entirely insignificant. Congrats on being able to rub two brain cells together and read C&P.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Sol'Kanar I remember that, and now I'm torn. It's nice that you've changed your position on things, but it's also crappy that you aren't going emo on me. My inner troll is a little bummed. Sorry to hear But you know after reading C&P almost a year I cannot be upset easily anymore. You really have to try harder m8
Hallan Turrek Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:04:00 - [74] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Hallan Turrek The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. lol, honour. But seriously, whatever floats your boat. Yeah, that's pretty much the point. I am who I am. You are who you are. You won't change, neither will I. I'll be the first to jump up and refute people that think all of us are like you. I'll be the third or fourth to wing out on idiots who think you ruin ransoms for me. They're wrong(and apparently bad pirates), but I agree with them in spirit after all. People I ransom don't know that the offer is solid until after it's honored. I'll even offer singing ransoms to people if they don't feel like ponying up the money. I have fun my way, you can keep having fun your way. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts Check out my blog.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:02:00 - [75] Well im proud to say I always honor ransoms....Wait what. Whats up boys, miss you all.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:08:00 - [76] Quote: I know of one certain high sec person (there are no pirates in high sec) who I feel is not a pirate but an individual who helps with the redistribution of wealth. I will not name names (and it is not me) who has operated in the same three systems for the past 6 months (could be a year) and has no problems what so ever getting said ransoms and then removing mission runner from the system with guns blazing (well, missiles flying anyway). So who is this guy,
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Raven Owa Well im proud to say I always honor ransoms....Wait what. Whats up boys, miss you all. There he is! Hay lubber. I miss you and your sultry voice too.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:38:00 - [78] Quote: There he is! Hay lubber. I miss you and your sultry voice too. Well have to regroup for the reunion tour. I got a **** load of Drone thingys for you.
Dickens Cider	Posted - 2009.01.22 16:36:00 - [79] Originally by: H Lecter But you know after reading C&P almost a year I cannot be upset easily anymore. You really have to try harder m8 Trolling (for emo rage among other things) is like fishing. There is no 'try'. You just throw your line out and enjoy what bites you get. The worst that can happen is you spill your beer.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 18:46:00 - [80] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 22/01/2009 18:49:13 Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: I know of one certain high sec person (there are no pirates in high sec) who I feel is not a pirate but an individual who helps with the redistribution of wealth. I will not name names (and it is not me) who has operated in the same three systems for the past 6 months (could be a year) and has no problems what so ever getting said ransoms and then removing mission runner from the system with guns blazing (well, missiles flying anyway). So who is this guy, I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. Hi Raven. Originally by: Exlegion And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . Unless this is tattooed on every mission runners forehead and they have a mirror atop their computer it aint going to help. Tattoo it on your girlfriends **, it still wont help. *********************************************** I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.

Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.22 19:32:00 - [81] Quote: I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. You my friend will always have immunity to planet 1.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.22 23:45:00 - [82] There is no honor in letting someone leave just because they have a pocket book. Why should you take one persons money and let them go when someone else can't afford to do the same? Kill them all I say. And if you think you can bribe me just to save your ship then you are filth. The only honorable thing to do is die a good death...don't try and get out of it just because you have a wallet with a wad of cash in it.
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.23 00:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Warrio Internet honour is serious business. This one time, in high sec, I killed a guy. And then our gang scrambled his pod and demanded ransom. He refused and told us we were not honourable. We kept him there for 5 minutes, remote repping his pod while I had a signle Warrior II attack him until he admitted we were honourable. It took him a little while til he decided to try to self destruct. Victim: rude carebear Alliance: None Corp: some high sec carebear corp Destroyed: Capsule System: some highsec system Security: 0.7 Damage Taken: 3801 Also, Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. I am trying this from now on.
3yeb4ll Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2009.01.23 00:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. You my friend will always have immunity to planet 1. Lol - unlike Rat and Ren. Herro RAK :)
NaMorham Santorin Caldari Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2009.01.23 02:42:00 - [85] Quote: If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. I am presuming this is low sec, or is it possible to scramble a pod in high sec without cops showing?
Deq	Posted - 2009.01.23 05:12:00 - [86] Edited by: Deq on 23/01/2009 05:14:29 Originally by: Tristen Orde Been dishonoring ransoms for 2 years. In those 2 years, no one has ever told me 'I'm not paying you a ransom because people usually break ransoms'. 30% of the time the guy doesn't respond to the convo request. 20% of the time the guy flat out refuses ransom and 50% of the time I get a ransom. Then I blow up their ship. This is the way it's always been and it won't change. This. I'm sorry but if we manage to catch a jump freighter coming through our lowsec pocket, we are going to a) bump him off station, b) scram/web and shoot him into hull and c) demand a ransom. Then we'll kill him. Pirating is a hard business nowadays and he's probably carrying another 300 mil in cargo. Smaller things (cruisers, BC's) we will honor ransoms a lot of the time just because they're not going to drop anything worthwhile. But we also lurv killmails, so it's about 50/50 chance ... still I think most people paying ransoms realize there's a 50/50 chance they gonna get killed anyway, but are willin to pay money to roll the dice. I don't know why people are so up in arms about this. In the real world, how often do kidnappers honor ransoms? Idk the actual stats but I'm pretty sure it's a long way away from 100% of the time. People pay ransoms IRL cuz they're hoping the kidnapper will honor the ransom. And that's why they pay them in EVE. And they'll continue to pay them, no matter how often someone pays a ransom and gets blown up anyway. Just for the chance they might live. Also just some common sense ... if someone who is not below -5.0 sec status has you locked down and is askin for a ransom in lowsec, you generally have a pretty good chance they'll honor the ransom, cuz those are the guys that are still worried about their sec status and killing you is gonna drop them quite a bit (especially if you don't shoot back). We tend to not enjoy the stints when we have to go rat 0.0 to get our sec status back up, so the vast majority of the time we'll let you go. Especially if you aren't a total ****tard in local. (EDIT: Referring to non-capitals again, ofc :P )
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.23 09:06:00 - [87] Originally by: Deq Also just some common sense ... if someone who is not below -5.0 sec status has you locked down and is askin for a ransom in lowsec, you generally have a pretty good chance they'll honor the ransom, cuz those are the guys that are still worried about their sec status and killing you is gonna drop them quite a bit (especially if you don't shoot back). We tend to not enjoy the stints when we have to go rat 0.0 to get our sec status back up, so the vast majority of the time we'll let you go. Especially if you aren't a total ****tard in local. This can be done the other way. If guy is above -5 then piracy is not his main occupation, go figure if he's really interested in keeping larger ransom possibilities for himself in future The kind of people who are like "oh, my SS got too high, time to blow it a bit" is quite unlikely to honour ransom :)
RenegadeRacer Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:09:00 - [88] Originally by: 3yeb4ll Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: I aint telling. I don't want to be invited out to (place ominous music in background here) Planet 1. You my friend will always have immunity to planet 1. Lol - unlike Rat and Ren. Herro RAK :) you couldn't resist could you? the reunion continues...
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:29:00 - [89] p1 is overrated. THe bottom planet is where all the fun is nowadays ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
MxDxK	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Lauren Sheaperd Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. Current record is 25 minutes. This. Current Record: Two hours, Five Minutes. Wait a minute, you mean to say someones pod kept you occupied for two hours and five minutes? Two hours? for real? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No, wait, ok yeah... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Two hours you could have been out making more ransom demands and you spent it letting a pod decoy you. You know what the best part about this is? You're in here bragging about it! Why not just take up mining, you can hold that belt for as long as you like, at least you'd be making something off it.

eve warrior Minmatar Filthy Scum	Posted - 2009.01.24 12:43:00 - [91] Originally by: MxDxK Originally by: Lauren Sheaperd Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. Current record is 25 minutes. This. Current Record: Two hours, Five Minutes. Wait a minute, you mean to say someones pod kept you occupied for two hours and five minutes? Two hours? for real? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No, wait, ok yeah... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Two hours you could have been out making more ransom demands and you spent it letting a pod decoy you. You know what the best part about this is? You're in here bragging about it! Why not just take up mining, you can hold that belt for as long as you like, at least you'd be making something off it. You really dont get it? Its not about the isk for some ppl. Its about griefing ppl and taking the ****. So what if you spend 2hrs in a belt, who you going to offend, the npcs? Holding a pod there and knowing that, that person is getting dam annoyed and you are wasting 2hrs of his time too is priceless. You cant put an isk value on good old fashon griefing. ew
Exlegion Caldari New Light	Posted - 2009.01.24 15:22:00 - [92] Originally by: eve warrior You really dont get it? Its not about the isk for some ppl. Its about griefing ppl and taking the ***. So what if you spend 2hrs in a belt, who you going to offend, the npcs? Holding a pod there and knowing that, that person is getting dam annoyed and you are wasting 2hrs of his time too is priceless. You cant put an isk value on good old fashon griefing. ew Let's forget for a moment the fact that griefing people seems to be what gives you your kicks in your life. The fact you happily give up 2 hours* of your life to molest someone is quite sad. This game is full of interesting people, and I must say I find your ways of thinking quite intriguing. And I'll just add that while you think you're harrassing someone by holding their pod for 2+ hours with no tangible purpose, that player may as well be playing on a second account, and thus denying your belief that you're accomplishing actual grief on someone. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.01.24 15:33:00 - [93] Originally by: eve warrior You really dont get it? Its not about the isk for some ppl. Its about griefing ppl and taking the ****. So what if you spend 2hrs in a belt, who you going to offend, the npcs? Holding a pod there and knowing that, that person is getting dam annoyed and you are wasting 2hrs of his time too is priceless. You cant put an isk value on good old fashon griefing. ew I assume you think it's a waiting game. While you "waste my time", I'll go walk my dog, watch a movie, get laid, finish that project, chat in vent etc... while you stare at my pod for hours. I guess there are ppl silly enough to beg and rant in local and give you some sort of satisfaction, but it is kinda funny that you would spend that much time ransoming one person.
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.24 18:01:00 - [94] you dont get greifing. ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Hells Reclaimer Amarr The Racketeers	Posted - 2009.01.27 02:53:00 - [95] oh wait i see what you guys did here
Terra Mikael SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:33:00 - [96] For the record, srius bisnes always honors ransoms because were sriusly srius about what we do. In fact we don't do anything remotely questionable.That's how srius we is.
Terra Mikael SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:34:00 - [97] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi you dont get greifing. Oh Hai thur Iggy o/
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.27 05:37:00 - [98] I wonder what these hardcore ransomers will do when they learn you can just self-destruct your own pod lmao
Hells Reclaimer Amarr The Racketeers	Posted - 2009.01.27 05:50:00 - [99] Edited by: Hells Reclaimer on 27/01/2009 05:51:02 I really dont understand the issue here.. Why would one not want to maximize his profits.?? I Cant believe you all are gonna sit here and tell me that the service you got while being ransomed and arse fu...d was so great you would come back for seconds..... yea.... maybe in low sec with a idiot but to get the same idiot to do it twice... in hi-sec. where the target control's the entire begining of the engagment i'm sure he'll shoot ya a second time so you can kill him again yea.... like i said i'll be fast in changing my ways.. so lets see here Mod Drops 25 mil Ransom 50 mil.. Carebear whining on C&P... Priceless
Harpax Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.27 13:20:00 - [100] Edited by: Harpax on 27/01/2009 13:21:39 Edited by: Harpax on 27/01/2009 13:21:10 I actually TRY to honor my ransoms. I really do. For example, yesterday with a faction fitted HAC into structure, you ask for 50mil ransom. They send you 5mil. Fair enough, could of been a slip. You give them a countdown and still they whine. You get another 5mil isk. Too bad dumbass, your ship goes splat. And then they come to C&P and biotch/moan/complain that you dont honor ransoms. Suck it up Princess. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal

Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.27 14:04:00 - [101] Thank goodness for this thread . This thread was linked to my alliance mail. It was strongly advised for members not to pay/offer ransom. I had been saying this for months and months on end. And finally they've come to the realization that paying ransom will just mean adding insult to injury.
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.27 14:45:00 - [102] Please remember that highsec isnt lowsec. I know there are certain corps that I can trust in lowsec to honor ransoms. Just need to know what area of space your in. ;-p And with everything... ransoming your taking a chance that you might go free. Without it, your dead anyways. So the ball is in your court... you took a risk by being in lowsec or however else got you into the current situation. Next ask yourself do you risk loosing your ship, do you risk trying to save your ship, or say f it and die anyways.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.27 15:48:00 - [103] Originally by: Matrix Skye It was strongly advised for members not to pay/offer ransom. I had been saying this for months and months on end. I could care less if you pay a ransom. Heck, I usually forget to even ask for a ransom because I just want to see the pretty explosion your ship makes. I don't even care about getting a cut of the ransom (I'll take it if offered) I just want to see you get blown up. I am a simple man with simple needs.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.27 16:06:00 - [104] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I am a simple man with simple needs. I can assist you with those needs. My rates are very low.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.27 16:23:00 - [105] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I am a simple man with simple needs. I can assist you with those needs. My rates are very low. Spoon buddies? OT: Step on Momma Racketeers and out pops: SRIUS BISNIS NightCrew who morphed into Private Nuisance Maxiumum Yarrage The Racketeers and Harpax who likes it in a starter corp Just goes to show if you step on a roach out pops more. Hi every one. Hope Santa had been kind to you. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.27 16:26:00 - [106] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I could care less if you pay a ransom. Heck, I usually forget to even ask for a ransom because I just want to see the pretty explosion your ship makes. I don't even care about getting a cut of the ransom (I'll take it if offered) I just want to see you get blown up. I am a simple man with simple needs. Exactly. So again, why pay a ransom? We're on the same page here and you're preaching to the choir.
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2009.01.27 17:10:00 - [107] Well, I have to beg to differ on the whole highsec vs. lowsec debate. I've honored my word since the moment I began and will continue to do so. I don't really think it's a matter of where you are but who you deal with. We don't all have the same agenda. Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
Frenzei Gallente Fortuna inc.	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:21:00 - [108] My fellow corp members might have forgotten that it is best never to be ransomed... Lone Wolf
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.27 19:18:00 - [109] Originally by: Matrix Skye Exactly. So again, why pay a ransom? We're on the same page here and you're preaching to the choir. You shouldn't. Not in hi-sec. Fortunately, there's always more uninformed and unwashed masses who haven't figured it out yet. If that ever happens, you can bet your ass that there are larger issues to be concerned with. Chew on this... If a player is stupid enough to fit the finest faction loot on a mission ship and then aggress another player AND stay in the mission... is it really a stretch to assume they are also stupid enough to pay a ransom? All your efforts to inform people are for nothing. Good luck with your doomed crusade.
Raven Owa Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.27 22:21:00 - [110] Quote: All your efforts to inform people are for nothing. Good luck with your doomed crusade. Bless there hearts for trying.

Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.01.27 22:33:00 - [111] I have never payed a ransom, whether they honour them or not, they're getting nothing out of me. I've not been ransomed in a long time, because generally, I don't get caught by pirates because I don't move anything into lowsec unscouted that can't clear the gate with align speed alone. Also, I understand highsec mechanics enough not to be tricked into becoming a target. However, if I was for some reason to be ransomed, I would merely let myself be killed, and then come back with my corp to get some payback. We love busting gatecamps. -------------------------------------- Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:05:00 - [112] Originally by: Raven Owa Quote: All your efforts to inform people are for nothing. Good luck with your doomed crusade. Bless there hearts for trying. its all about the mad e-honor point you can collect.
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.28 05:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Matrix Skye It was strongly advised for members not to pay/offer ransom. I had been saying this for months and months on end. I could care less if you pay a ransom. Heck, I usually forget to even ask for a ransom because I just want to see the pretty explosion your ship makes. I don't even care about getting a cut of the ransom (I'll take it if offered) I just want to see you get blown up. I am a simple man with simple needs. /confirming traidor was always the guy we had to remind to hold back and say "whoa whoa...lets see if the idiot will give us free money too". his making money has NOTHING to do with it so long as somebody dies. also /confirming that on more than one occasion when there was nobody to kill i was the one to die to his unquenching desire to kill.
Hells Reclaimer Amarr The Racketeers	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:11:00 - [114] Aryon?
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:17:00 - [115] does he even play anymore?
Lauren Sheaperd Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:39:00 - [116] Edited by: Lauren Sheaperd on 28/01/2009 07:41:50 Originally by: MxDxK Originally by: Lauren Sheaperd Originally by: Dirk Magnum If you don't pay the ransom demanded I will keep your pod scrambled until either local jumps or you log off. I don't care how long that takes. Current record is 25 minutes. This. Current Record: Two hours, Five Minutes. Wait a minute, you mean to say someones pod kept you occupied for two hours and five minutes? Two hours? for real? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No, wait, ok yeah... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Two hours you could have been out making more ransom demands and you spent it letting a pod decoy you. You know what the best part about this is? You're in here bragging about it! Why not just take up mining, you can hold that belt for as long as you like, at least you'd be making something off it. Doing stuff in real life at the same time for the win? Anyway - I ain't saying it was a smart thing to do, or the economic thing either. It was just mildly entertaining while doing work. Also, posting with you alt is just as fail. EDIT: I also really wanted the ransom. He was bragging about having alot of isk and shiny implants in local when I failed at catching him before hand. ----
Hells Reclaimer Amarr The Racketeers	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:43:00 - [117] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux does he even play anymore? I hope not
Terra Mikael SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:09:00 - [118] Was this thread as good for me as it was for you? need a towel, brb
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.02.12 05:28:00 - [119] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Although if one can get a war target to pay a ransom it is pretty dang funny what hilarity ensues when the war targets ship and pod display the light show I so enjoy. People in this game can be more entertaining then the game itself sometimes. And to think that there was a time when I thought podding was a "bad thing". I am not a nice person. oh man i remember when we ransomed that WT. that was hilarious. pretty explosion too. o/ btw
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.02.12 05:42:00 - [120] Originally by: Terra Mikael Was this thread as good for me as it was for you? need a towel, brb Just watching you.. umm.. enjoy it.. was more fun for me than the actual thread. NOT a kublai alt. Honest!

Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.02.12 05:58:00 - [121] i decree adding page 5
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.02.12 06:09:00 - [122] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux i decree adding page 5 And it was so NOT a kublai alt. Honest!


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