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COUGAR ONE
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: COUGAR ONE on 29/07/2004 10:39:29
TomB buddy you have been doing some great changes in EVE keep up the good work!
You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal. Every other race can do all different types of damage. Why is that Amarr can do only 2 types.
Come on Big TomB hook us up, Let Amar be equal with the other Races and can choose which types of damage it can do.
Thanks buddy
Cougar One
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COUGAR ONE
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: COUGAR ONE on 29/07/2004 10:39:29
TomB buddy you have been doing some great changes in EVE keep up the good work!
You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal. Every other race can do all different types of damage. Why is that Amarr can do only 2 types.
Come on Big TomB hook us up, Let Amar be equal with the other Races and can choose which types of damage it can do.
Thanks buddy
Cougar One
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igli
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: igli on 29/07/2004 10:45:20 Great to see you are well informed. I wish we had more enlightened posts like this.
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igli
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: igli on 29/07/2004 10:45:20 Great to see you are well informed. I wish we had more enlightened posts like this.
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Vejita on 29/07/2004 10:50:57 it would be nice, but i think the reason lasers only give thermal or em damage, real life lasers generate heat ....and im sure given the right circumstance creates an electromagnetic field ....maybe if instead they were to create a new type of laser weapon, that could cause kenetic & explosive damage, kenetic by propeling some chunk matter at the speed of light much like a railgun would do irl and prehaps for explosive a large burst of engery of some sort? that would work much like them cool pulse phasers you see on startreks' ship the Defiant from DS9
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Vejita on 29/07/2004 10:50:57 it would be nice, but i think the reason lasers only give thermal or em damage, real life lasers generate heat ....and im sure given the right circumstance creates an electromagnetic field ....maybe if instead they were to create a new type of laser weapon, that could cause kenetic & explosive damage, kenetic by propeling some chunk matter at the speed of light much like a railgun would do irl and prehaps for explosive a large burst of engery of some sort? that would work much like them cool pulse phasers you see on startreks' ship the Defiant from DS9
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Booky
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: COUGAR ONE You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal. Every other race can do all different types of damage. Why is that Amarr can do only 2 types.
Come on Big TomB hook us up, Let Amar be equal with the other Races and can choose which types of damage it can do.
Thanks buddy
Cougar One
Wow, and you show me a hybrid ammo that does anything other than Kinetic and Thermal? Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post. |

Booky
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: COUGAR ONE You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal. Every other race can do all different types of damage. Why is that Amarr can do only 2 types.
Come on Big TomB hook us up, Let Amar be equal with the other Races and can choose which types of damage it can do.
Thanks buddy
Cougar One
Wow, and you show me a hybrid ammo that does anything other than Kinetic and Thermal? Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post. |

Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 29/07/2004 11:00:22 please tomb give my hydrids EM and explosive ammo aswell. that way i can take ships shields down really quickly, switch to explosive and rip theyre armour apart aswell.
Only projectiles can do all types of damage iirc. Lasers do thermal/em (good for shields, bad against armour) and rails do thermal/kinetic (baddish for shields, good v armour) its a trade off. If u could do max damage to both u could wtfpwn any1.
Please dont change it, it works as it is and id much rather see shiva a week earlier than sommat as small as this being changed
edit: my typing sux
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 29/07/2004 11:00:22 please tomb give my hydrids EM and explosive ammo aswell. that way i can take ships shields down really quickly, switch to explosive and rip theyre armour apart aswell.
Only projectiles can do all types of damage iirc. Lasers do thermal/em (good for shields, bad against armour) and rails do thermal/kinetic (baddish for shields, good v armour) its a trade off. If u could do max damage to both u could wtfpwn any1.
Please dont change it, it works as it is and id much rather see shiva a week earlier than sommat as small as this being changed
edit: my typing sux
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:58:00 -
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Hybrids do therm + kinetic, projectile ammo is the only type to do all 4 types of damage.
I believe tech 2 advanced crystals will do more dmg types but who knows... ________________________________________________________
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:58:00 -
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Hybrids do therm + kinetic, projectile ammo is the only type to do all 4 types of damage.
I believe tech 2 advanced crystals will do more dmg types but who knows... ________________________________________________________
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:58:00 -
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Lasers = EM/Thermal Hybrid = Kinetic/Thermal Projectile = EM/Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive depending on ammo type.
If you wish more damage types I suggset you switch to Projectile instead of wanting more damage types on lasers.
There is nothing wrong with the system as it as right now.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:58:00 -
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Lasers = EM/Thermal Hybrid = Kinetic/Thermal Projectile = EM/Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive depending on ammo type.
If you wish more damage types I suggset you switch to Projectile instead of wanting more damage types on lasers.
There is nothing wrong with the system as it as right now.
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Mistress Zhantine
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Zhantine on 29/07/2004 11:02:25 as a projectile user this would be a travesty if it came to pass... not only have projectiles already been gimped to hell now someone wants to take away the only thing that projectiles have an advantage in...
pfft...
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You see what power is... Holding someone elses fear in your hand and showing it to them...
2004.07.28 21:21:45combatYour 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Mortifier, wrecking for 916.3 damage. |

Mistress Zhantine
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Posted - 2004.07.29 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Zhantine on 29/07/2004 11:02:25 as a projectile user this would be a travesty if it came to pass... not only have projectiles already been gimped to hell now someone wants to take away the only thing that projectiles have an advantage in...
pfft...
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You see what power is... Holding someone elses fear in your hand and showing it to them...
2004.07.28 21:21:45combatYour 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Mortifier, wrecking for 916.3 damage. |

Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Vejita kenetic by propeling some chunk matter at the speed of light much like a railgun would do irl
Imposible. You'd need to create an infinite number (impossible) of photons in a stream one photon wide and put a particle with mass in front of the stream. And if it were possible, once an object with mass reaches the speed of light it has infinite mass, and therefore infinite gravity. It would destroy large portions of the universe.
But fear not, lasers are capable of doing kinetic damage. Yes, it's true. Photons have no mass but they do have momentum. Anything with momentum will produce force on impact.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Vejita kenetic by propeling some chunk matter at the speed of light much like a railgun would do irl
Imposible. You'd need to create an infinite number (impossible) of photons in a stream one photon wide and put a particle with mass in front of the stream. And if it were possible, once an object with mass reaches the speed of light it has infinite mass, and therefore infinite gravity. It would destroy large portions of the universe.
But fear not, lasers are capable of doing kinetic damage. Yes, it's true. Photons have no mass but they do have momentum. Anything with momentum will produce force on impact.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |

Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:11:00 -
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May I ask why a Caldari is using Amarr weapons anyway ? Oh yes, maybe it's because they're really good right now. So you pick the best turrets available, and then ask to make them better. Very clever.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:11:00 -
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May I ask why a Caldari is using Amarr weapons anyway ? Oh yes, maybe it's because they're really good right now. So you pick the best turrets available, and then ask to make them better. Very clever.
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splattercat
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:19:00 -
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Am i wrong in thinking that if u strip the shelds with EMP damage u leave the guy open at missile attacks (apoc up to two luanchers)! or use explosive damage drones! Now i love my ammar ships, Thay do nice damage if used right (both crusers and bs)But to give cystals 3 damage types will be overkill IMO,Look how fast a damage setup armma can take down a tanked raven.
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splattercat
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:19:00 -
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Am i wrong in thinking that if u strip the shelds with EMP damage u leave the guy open at missile attacks (apoc up to two luanchers)! or use explosive damage drones! Now i love my ammar ships, Thay do nice damage if used right (both crusers and bs)But to give cystals 3 damage types will be overkill IMO,Look how fast a damage setup armma can take down a tanked raven.
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:31:00 -
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dont change them dont change anything just add new stuff, everything is fine how it is. u cant have everything as good as other stuff because stuff is ment 2 be different so leave everything alone stop nerfing and put new stuff in game dont do anthing with mod in game at moment.
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.07.29 11:31:00 -
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dont change them dont change anything just add new stuff, everything is fine how it is. u cant have everything as good as other stuff because stuff is ment 2 be different so leave everything alone stop nerfing and put new stuff in game dont do anthing with mod in game at moment.
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Vayin Lianocen
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Posted - 2004.07.29 12:01:00 -
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Take a look here Not sure when they will be in game though...
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Vayin Lianocen
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Posted - 2004.07.29 12:01:00 -
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Take a look here Not sure when they will be in game though...
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Minyon
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Posted - 2004.07.29 12:11:00 -
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If any ammo needs fixing its the projectile ammo. Small emp ammo only does a total of 11 damage 5 em, 4 explosive and 2 kinetic but the small multifrequency crystal does 12 6 em and 6 thermal, small antimatter ammo does 12 damage too 7 kinetic and 5 thermal.
Leting projectile users pick there damage type just makes up for there lower damage out put
so i say give emp ammo 1 more em damage
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Minyon
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Posted - 2004.07.29 12:11:00 -
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If any ammo needs fixing its the projectile ammo. Small emp ammo only does a total of 11 damage 5 em, 4 explosive and 2 kinetic but the small multifrequency crystal does 12 6 em and 6 thermal, small antimatter ammo does 12 damage too 7 kinetic and 5 thermal.
Leting projectile users pick there damage type just makes up for there lower damage out put
so i say give emp ammo 1 more em damage
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:24:00 -
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atm lasers are the most damaging weapon type (check that nasty armagankon)
no need for more damage types imho Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:24:00 -
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atm lasers are the most damaging weapon type (check that nasty armagankon)
no need for more damage types imho Wanna fly with me?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:40:00 -
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Meridius is correct - later tech levels of crystals will introduce explosive/kinetic elements of damage.
How they're gonna explain that one is a bloody mystery though.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |

Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:40:00 -
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Meridius is correct - later tech levels of crystals will introduce explosive/kinetic elements of damage.
How they're gonna explain that one is a bloody mystery though.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |

Elfman
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:47:00 -
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With tech 2 ammo and crystals all 3 guns types will be able to deal all 4 dam types.
But notice the side effects of using these ammo e.g reduced ROF etc.
One of the most damaging crystals increase your ships sensor size so enemies will be able to lock you quicker and hit you easier :)
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Elfman
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:47:00 -
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With tech 2 ammo and crystals all 3 guns types will be able to deal all 4 dam types.
But notice the side effects of using these ammo e.g reduced ROF etc.
One of the most damaging crystals increase your ships sensor size so enemies will be able to lock you quicker and hit you easier :)
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:03:00 -
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Rats. Tech II looks to seriously **** things up.
Variety is the spice of life.
My vote is against kinetic or explosive tech II crystals, nevermind tech I crystals.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:03:00 -
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Rats. Tech II looks to seriously **** things up.
Variety is the spice of life.
My vote is against kinetic or explosive tech II crystals, nevermind tech I crystals.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: COUGAR ONE You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal.
Why? They have the benefit of not needing cargo hold for ammunition, that is good enough. ____________________________________________________
Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: COUGAR ONE You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal.
Why? They have the benefit of not needing cargo hold for ammunition, that is good enough. ____________________________________________________
Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |

Fatal Attraction
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:39:00 -
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I'm Amarr, i only fly Amarrian Ships and i only use Lasers but that idea is just ...
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Fatal Attraction
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:39:00 -
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I'm Amarr, i only fly Amarrian Ships and i only use Lasers but that idea is just ...
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Akelig
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: COUGAR ONE on 29/07/2004 10:39:29 TomB buddy you have been doing some great changes in EVE keep up the good work! You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal. Every other race can do all different types of damage. Why is that Amarr can do only 2 types. Come on Big TomB hook us up, Let Amar be equal with the other Races and can choose which types of damage it can do.
Are you insane? the ammar are overpowered at this moment, fix the tempest
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Akelig
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Posted - 2004.07.29 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: COUGAR ONE on 29/07/2004 10:39:29 TomB buddy you have been doing some great changes in EVE keep up the good work! You have to give Laser Crystals the ability to do more damage types than Em and Thermal. Every other race can do all different types of damage. Why is that Amarr can do only 2 types. Come on Big TomB hook us up, Let Amar be equal with the other Races and can choose which types of damage it can do.
Are you insane? the ammar are overpowered at this moment, fix the tempest
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Saibin Gias
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:30:00 -
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you're asking for particle weapons my friend. null Cookware for sale. Non-stick Teflon.
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Saibin Gias
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:30:00 -
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you're asking for particle weapons my friend. null Cookware for sale. Non-stick Teflon.
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Horatio Starkiller
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Horatio Starkiller on 29/07/2004 15:40:22 Edited by: Horatio Starkiller on 29/07/2004 15:39:16 just a minute doesn't a small chunk of matter being moved by a laser count as a hybrid... I mean ffs there called HYBRID's for a reason! They use both matter and energy.
While were at it, can I have the ability to swallow other ships with my phoon and spits out the pods?
and yes the amarr are already overpowered, better rof, better tracking, better 0 res damage than projs, the ability to cause different damage types is the only advantage we have left. -----------
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Horatio Starkiller
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Horatio Starkiller on 29/07/2004 15:40:22 Edited by: Horatio Starkiller on 29/07/2004 15:39:16 just a minute doesn't a small chunk of matter being moved by a laser count as a hybrid... I mean ffs there called HYBRID's for a reason! They use both matter and energy.
While were at it, can I have the ability to swallow other ships with my phoon and spits out the pods?
and yes the amarr are already overpowered, better rof, better tracking, better 0 res damage than projs, the ability to cause different damage types is the only advantage we have left. -----------
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:43:00 -
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rofl this post is funny 
Large PULSE lasers need some nerfing (less tracking)
LARGE artillaries (sp???) need some lub (more tracking)
after this is achieved we may need this
Greetings Grim |

Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:43:00 -
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rofl this post is funny 
Large PULSE lasers need some nerfing (less tracking)
LARGE artillaries (sp???) need some lub (more tracking)
after this is achieved we may need this
Greetings Grim |

Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2004.07.29 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Liquid Metal on 29/07/2004 16:19:53 Anyone with any kindof intelligence, or slight knowledge of physics would know lasers wont do anything else apart from cause interference and cook things, (IE Electromagnetic and thermal)
If you change the damage types, then its no longer a laser.
btw, someone said hybrids are laserpowered, but they are actually powered by electromagnets and not lasers.
Hope this clears things up. This was a stupid thread anyway.
Edit: Just read that link with the new crystals, and wtf. if they want to do that, they will *HAVE* to introduce a new type of gun, using that on standard lasers would be stupid.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2004.07.29 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Liquid Metal on 29/07/2004 16:19:53 Anyone with any kindof intelligence, or slight knowledge of physics would know lasers wont do anything else apart from cause interference and cook things, (IE Electromagnetic and thermal)
If you change the damage types, then its no longer a laser.
btw, someone said hybrids are laserpowered, but they are actually powered by electromagnets and not lasers.
Hope this clears things up. This was a stupid thread anyway.
Edit: Just read that link with the new crystals, and wtf. if they want to do that, they will *HAVE* to introduce a new type of gun, using that on standard lasers would be stupid.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:00:00 -
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Not quite. Anyone with any shred of intelligence would know that a laser can easily impart explosive damage by flash-vaporizing metal in a confined area, something entirely possible by pumping enough raw energy onto a focused point on a target's hull. Kinetic, I don't know, maybe it's some kind of directed particle weapon instead of a laser.
I don't care what ridiculous tech-speak you have to tell each other in order to justify changing lasers, facts are facts: Lasers blow against armor, and there's no other weapon type in Eve that suffers from this disadvantage. Those of you queefing that hybrids only do two damage types as well should take note that their damage types are equally effective against shields and armour. More damage types is always good.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:00:00 -
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Not quite. Anyone with any shred of intelligence would know that a laser can easily impart explosive damage by flash-vaporizing metal in a confined area, something entirely possible by pumping enough raw energy onto a focused point on a target's hull. Kinetic, I don't know, maybe it's some kind of directed particle weapon instead of a laser.
I don't care what ridiculous tech-speak you have to tell each other in order to justify changing lasers, facts are facts: Lasers blow against armor, and there's no other weapon type in Eve that suffers from this disadvantage. Those of you queefing that hybrids only do two damage types as well should take note that their damage types are equally effective against shields and armour. More damage types is always good.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Not quite. Anyone with any shred of intelligence would know that a laser can easily impart explosive damage by flash-vaporizing metal in a confined area, something entirely possible by pumping enough raw energy onto a focused point on a target's hull. Kinetic, I don't know, maybe it's some kind of directed particle weapon instead of a laser.
I don't care what ridiculous tech-speak you have to tell each other in order to justify changing lasers, facts are facts: Lasers blow against armor, and there's no other weapon type in Eve that suffers from this disadvantage. Those of you queefing that hybrids only do two damage types as well should take note that their damage types are equally effective against shields and armour. More damage types is always good.
Lasers blow against armour but only because they absolutely rock against shields.
Balance, y'know?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |

Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Not quite. Anyone with any shred of intelligence would know that a laser can easily impart explosive damage by flash-vaporizing metal in a confined area, something entirely possible by pumping enough raw energy onto a focused point on a target's hull. Kinetic, I don't know, maybe it's some kind of directed particle weapon instead of a laser.
I don't care what ridiculous tech-speak you have to tell each other in order to justify changing lasers, facts are facts: Lasers blow against armor, and there's no other weapon type in Eve that suffers from this disadvantage. Those of you queefing that hybrids only do two damage types as well should take note that their damage types are equally effective against shields and armour. More damage types is always good.
Lasers blow against armour but only because they absolutely rock against shields.
Balance, y'know?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |

Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:26:00 -
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If lasers get the ability to do kinetic or explosive damage it better take someone the same amount of time to change crystals as it does to reload ammo, and even if it did I still wouldn't like it.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:26:00 -
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If lasers get the ability to do kinetic or explosive damage it better take someone the same amount of time to change crystals as it does to reload ammo, and even if it did I still wouldn't like it.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:29:00 -
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Yes please, heap on the love! ;p
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:29:00 -
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Yes please, heap on the love! ;p
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Perry on 29/07/2004 17:37:49 Although I am usually pro Laser, i have to disagree with Expl/Kin Damage on Beams. High End Beams are good enough as they are, no further loving required. Multifrequency lences r a p e other ships...
But there is a problem of not being able to fit even low numbers of high end beams on amarr cruisers/frigates. Thats the problem. They have nothing else going for them, the 10% more average armor is worth crap in an actual fight, its one salvo more or less...
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Perry on 29/07/2004 17:37:49 Although I am usually pro Laser, i have to disagree with Expl/Kin Damage on Beams. High End Beams are good enough as they are, no further loving required. Multifrequency lences r a p e other ships...
But there is a problem of not being able to fit even low numbers of high end beams on amarr cruisers/frigates. Thats the problem. They have nothing else going for them, the 10% more average armor is worth crap in an actual fight, its one salvo more or less...
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:44:00 -
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In case no one mentioned it yet, in response to the posters who have said hybrids do kinetic and thermal, check your stats on antimatter ammo, as I recall it does huge EM damage in addition to kinetic and thermal.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:44:00 -
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In case no one mentioned it yet, in response to the posters who have said hybrids do kinetic and thermal, check your stats on antimatter ammo, as I recall it does huge EM damage in addition to kinetic and thermal.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:49:00 -
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Not only have beams now been fixed, beams are now (again) uuber. The rush to go out and buy Apocs and armageddons should make that pretty obvious. Lasers need more love like Bill Gates needs more money. Fixing 1400s and a bit of loving for 425s would be a better use of time.
On second though, I'm gonna sell a Megathron and get back into lasers methinks. 
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:49:00 -
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Not only have beams now been fixed, beams are now (again) uuber. The rush to go out and buy Apocs and armageddons should make that pretty obvious. Lasers need more love like Bill Gates needs more money. Fixing 1400s and a bit of loving for 425s would be a better use of time.
On second though, I'm gonna sell a Megathron and get back into lasers methinks. 
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Directive
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Drusilla In case no one mentioned it yet, in response to the posters who have said hybrids do kinetic and thermal, check your stats on antimatter ammo, as I recall it does huge EM damage in addition to kinetic and thermal.
Kinetic and thermal, that's it.
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Directive
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Drusilla In case no one mentioned it yet, in response to the posters who have said hybrids do kinetic and thermal, check your stats on antimatter ammo, as I recall it does huge EM damage in addition to kinetic and thermal.
Kinetic and thermal, that's it.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert Lasers blow against armour but only because they absolutely rock against shields.
Balance, y'know?
Not quite. Lasers rock against shields, hybrids rock against shields. Lasers blow against armour, hybrids rock against armour.
Stupid, y'know?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:57:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Lasers blow against armour but only because they absolutely rock against shields.
Balance, y'know?
Not quite. Lasers rock against shields, hybrids rock against shields. Lasers blow against armour, hybrids rock against armour.
Stupid, y'know?
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:58:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Drusilla In case no one mentioned it yet, in response to the posters who have said hybrids do kinetic and thermal, check your stats on antimatter ammo, as I recall it does huge EM damage in addition to kinetic and thermal.
Linkage
Thermal and Kinetic.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:58:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Drusilla In case no one mentioned it yet, in response to the posters who have said hybrids do kinetic and thermal, check your stats on antimatter ammo, as I recall it does huge EM damage in addition to kinetic and thermal.
Linkage
Thermal and Kinetic.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:59:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Lasers blow against armour but only because they absolutely rock against shields.
Balance, y'know?
Not quite. Lasers rock against shields, hybrids rock against shields. Lasers blow against armour, hybrids rock against armour.
Stupid, y'know?
D'oh.
DOT is still (virtually) the same who gives a fug?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:59:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Lasers blow against armour but only because they absolutely rock against shields.
Balance, y'know?
Not quite. Lasers rock against shields, hybrids rock against shields. Lasers blow against armour, hybrids rock against armour.
Stupid, y'know?
D'oh.
DOT is still (virtually) the same who gives a fug?
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:14:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Not quite. Lasers rock against shields, hybrids rock against shields. Lasers blow against armour, hybrids rock against armour. Stupid, y'know?
Erhm, no. Hybrids rock against armour, are *okayish* against shields. Lasers rock against shields, are okayish against armor (depending on racial armour resistances).
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:14:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Not quite. Lasers rock against shields, hybrids rock against shields. Lasers blow against armour, hybrids rock against armour. Stupid, y'know?
Erhm, no. Hybrids rock against armour, are *okayish* against shields. Lasers rock against shields, are okayish against armor (depending on racial armour resistances).
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:18:00 -
[75]
Really? I could have sworn that last time I looked at the info page for AM (small) ammo it said it did 7 EM damage in addition to the others.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:18:00 -
[76]
Really? I could have sworn that last time I looked at the info page for AM (small) ammo it said it did 7 EM damage in addition to the others.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:29:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Liquid Metal Edited by: Liquid Metal on 29/07/2004 16:19:53 Anyone with any kindof intelligence, or slight knowledge of physics would know lasers wont do anything else apart from cause interference and cook things, (IE Electromagnetic and thermal)
Yes, people with a slight knowledge of physics would know that. People with advanced knowledge would know that Photons can produce force (ie Kinetic damage). Photons do not have mass but they do have momentum. It's one of the anamolies that cannot be explained by our current laws of physics. It's one of the first things that will stick out from any college physics class because it seems so strange.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Liquid Metal Edited by: Liquid Metal on 29/07/2004 16:19:53 Anyone with any kindof intelligence, or slight knowledge of physics would know lasers wont do anything else apart from cause interference and cook things, (IE Electromagnetic and thermal)
Yes, people with a slight knowledge of physics would know that. People with advanced knowledge would know that Photons can produce force (ie Kinetic damage). Photons do not have mass but they do have momentum. It's one of the anamolies that cannot be explained by our current laws of physics. It's one of the first things that will stick out from any college physics class because it seems so strange.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:21:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Alowishus It would destroy large portions of the universe.
OK, you've sold it to me - where do I get one?
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:21:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Alowishus It would destroy large portions of the universe.
OK, you've sold it to me - where do I get one?
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Lagar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:08:00 -
[81]
wait for the advanced frequansy crystals and you will se.. 
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Lagar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:08:00 -
[82]
wait for the advanced frequansy crystals and you will se.. 
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:13:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Vayin Lianocen Take a look here Not sure when they will be in game though...
I'm not a big fan of the explosive crystals. It seems un-Amarran to admit that only doing EM and thermal damage is a bad thing and researching crystals that do Exp. I think they'd just make crystals that do even more EM/Thermal damage
BTW, love the 100% range ammo... that'll put a 1400 on my typhoon out to something like 160k.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Vayin Lianocen Take a look here Not sure when they will be in game though...
I'm not a big fan of the explosive crystals. It seems un-Amarran to admit that only doing EM and thermal damage is a bad thing and researching crystals that do Exp. I think they'd just make crystals that do even more EM/Thermal damage
BTW, love the 100% range ammo... that'll put a 1400 on my typhoon out to something like 160k.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:19:00 -
[85]
Quote: Erhm, no. Hybrids rock against armour, are *okayish* against shields. Lasers rock against shields, are okayish against armor (depending on racial armour resistances).
Right. I take it you've never had a blaster boat glued to your shields - once you do, you know they go down plenty quickly.
You can't argue against it - lasers have a deficit that no other weapon type has to work with.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:19:00 -
[86]
Quote: Erhm, no. Hybrids rock against armour, are *okayish* against shields. Lasers rock against shields, are okayish against armor (depending on racial armour resistances).
Right. I take it you've never had a blaster boat glued to your shields - once you do, you know they go down plenty quickly.
You can't argue against it - lasers have a deficit that no other weapon type has to work with.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:23:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote: Erhm, no. Hybrids rock against armour, are *okayish* against shields. Lasers rock against shields, are okayish against armor (depending on racial armour resistances).
Right. I take it you've never had a blaster boat glued to your shields - once you do, you know they go down plenty quickly.
You can't argue against it - lasers have a deficit that no other weapon type has to work with.
That's because most blaster boats are set for pure damage output and, probably, because a lot of people still aren't fitting kinetic hardeners.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:23:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote: Erhm, no. Hybrids rock against armour, are *okayish* against shields. Lasers rock against shields, are okayish against armor (depending on racial armour resistances).
Right. I take it you've never had a blaster boat glued to your shields - once you do, you know they go down plenty quickly.
You can't argue against it - lasers have a deficit that no other weapon type has to work with.
That's because most blaster boats are set for pure damage output and, probably, because a lot of people still aren't fitting kinetic hardeners.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |

Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:25:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Jorlin on 29/07/2004 20:27:15 Edited by: Jorlin on 29/07/2004 20:26:51 not argueing here since i'm a minmatar projectile thrower and kind of biased 
sorry for the offtopic post....but is it still Mr.Shogaatsu formerly known as HG in beta? 
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Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:25:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Jorlin on 29/07/2004 20:27:15 Edited by: Jorlin on 29/07/2004 20:26:51 not argueing here since i'm a minmatar projectile thrower and kind of biased 
sorry for the offtopic post....but is it still Mr.Shogaatsu formerly known as HG in beta? 
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Venril
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:30:00 -
[91]
If anything Armarr need a close range weapon. and do not say "pulse lasers" because those are medium range weapons!
Armarr need something like a tachyon Pulse laser :-P 3.5x modifier. 5k optimal 8k fall off 7sec refire would be nice @2750 grid.
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Venril
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:30:00 -
[92]
If anything Armarr need a close range weapon. and do not say "pulse lasers" because those are medium range weapons!
Armarr need something like a tachyon Pulse laser :-P 3.5x modifier. 5k optimal 8k fall off 7sec refire would be nice @2750 grid.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:45:00 -
[93]
Ok being limited to 2 damage types is not the main problem. The main problem is EM. It's uber against shield but **** against armor.
Imagine hybrids did kinetic and explosive, you know people would complain about that explosive damage
I'm a laser lobbyist and my biggest queef is why pods have 90% resistance to EM, it's unbalanced and just not needed at all
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:45:00 -
[94]
Ok being limited to 2 damage types is not the main problem. The main problem is EM. It's uber against shield but **** against armor.
Imagine hybrids did kinetic and explosive, you know people would complain about that explosive damage
I'm a laser lobbyist and my biggest queef is why pods have 90% resistance to EM, it's unbalanced and just not needed at all
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:55:00 -
[95]
Quote: just a minute doesn't a small chunk of matter being moved by a laser count as a hybrid... I mean ffs there called HYBRID's for a reason! They use both matter and energy
i dont know if anyone else mentioned it to you but hybrid weapons are propelled by electromagnetic pulses (and they do have them irl but they are just really impractial because of the huge power requirements)
Quote: Imposible. You'd need to create an infinite number (impossible) of photons in a stream one photon wide and put a particle with mass in front of the stream. And if it were possible, once an object with mass reaches the speed of light it has infinite mass, and therefore infinite gravity. It would destroy large portions of the universe.
i have no ideal what your talking about but i was going more on the notion of propelling an object with a laser at near the speed or possibly the speed of light (like how some people think they could propell a space ship at near light speeds with a giant pulse laser blasting the back of a space ship)
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:55:00 -
[96]
Quote: just a minute doesn't a small chunk of matter being moved by a laser count as a hybrid... I mean ffs there called HYBRID's for a reason! They use both matter and energy
i dont know if anyone else mentioned it to you but hybrid weapons are propelled by electromagnetic pulses (and they do have them irl but they are just really impractial because of the huge power requirements)
Quote: Imposible. You'd need to create an infinite number (impossible) of photons in a stream one photon wide and put a particle with mass in front of the stream. And if it were possible, once an object with mass reaches the speed of light it has infinite mass, and therefore infinite gravity. It would destroy large portions of the universe.
i have no ideal what your talking about but i was going more on the notion of propelling an object with a laser at near the speed or possibly the speed of light (like how some people think they could propell a space ship at near light speeds with a giant pulse laser blasting the back of a space ship)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:56:00 -
[97]
Problem is, everyone armour tanks these days and end up with higher kinetic/heat resistances than the granted 60% EM resistance.
End result?
You're probably better off using lasers to strip their shields super quick and still achieve the same damage against armour as rails/blasters anyway.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:56:00 -
[98]
Problem is, everyone armour tanks these days and end up with higher kinetic/heat resistances than the granted 60% EM resistance.
End result?
You're probably better off using lasers to strip their shields super quick and still achieve the same damage against armour as rails/blasters anyway.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |

YuuKnow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:30:00 -
[99]
The DPS of a damage dealing apoc is already scary, you want to make it even scarier?
Same thing for a Megathron with blasters.....
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:30:00 -
[100]
The DPS of a damage dealing apoc is already scary, you want to make it even scarier?
Same thing for a Megathron with blasters.....
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:49:00 -
[101]
Looks like no tech II kinetic crystals (which would be stupid), but I like the explaination on the explosive:
Quote: Blaze S Adv Ammo/Charge/Crystal + Adv Laser Crystals This frequency modulation crystal uses a modified microwave crystal coupled with a relatively low energy electron beam generator to alter the electric charge of molecules causing them to violently break apart. Can only be used by small tech level II Pulse Lasers
Sounds ok to me. And since they are limited to certain types of turrets... I like it. Also I'm noticing that some of the crystals have tracking or rate of fire penalties, which should be offset by the tech II weapon specialization skills. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . ) |

Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:49:00 -
[102]
Looks like no tech II kinetic crystals (which would be stupid), but I like the explaination on the explosive:
Quote: Blaze S Adv Ammo/Charge/Crystal + Adv Laser Crystals This frequency modulation crystal uses a modified microwave crystal coupled with a relatively low energy electron beam generator to alter the electric charge of molecules causing them to violently break apart. Can only be used by small tech level II Pulse Lasers
Sounds ok to me. And since they are limited to certain types of turrets... I like it. Also I'm noticing that some of the crystals have tracking or rate of fire penalties, which should be offset by the tech II weapon specialization skills. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . ) |

Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:56:00 -
[103]
making it possible to switch from high em/thermal damage to high explosive damage in no time would make the balance ridicules Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:56:00 -
[104]
making it possible to switch from high em/thermal damage to high explosive damage in no time would make the balance ridicules Wanna fly with me?
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Neverblu
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Posted - 2004.08.01 12:53:00 -
[105]
think about it.....lasers dont explode that would cause self infliction, and energy cant be stored in a beam that isnt heat, or energy, especially when the beam isnt solid, so kinetic damage is out of the question
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Neverblu
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Posted - 2004.08.01 12:53:00 -
[106]
think about it.....lasers dont explode that would cause self infliction, and energy cant be stored in a beam that isnt heat, or energy, especially when the beam isnt solid, so kinetic damage is out of the question
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piercer
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:18:00 -
[107]
give all the races different ammo/crystals that do all the dmg types, its like trying to get into a tin can with a car key, doesnt work as well. ----------------------------------------
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piercer
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:18:00 -
[108]
give all the races different ammo/crystals that do all the dmg types, its like trying to get into a tin can with a car key, doesnt work as well. ----------------------------------------
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:21:00 -
[109]
There goes the last thing that projectiles SUPPOSEDLY have...
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:21:00 -
[110]
There goes the last thing that projectiles SUPPOSEDLY have...
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:41:00 -
[111]
When Tech II laser crystals come out, I for one will relish the lack of diversity. The lack of any compelling reason to, say, use projectiles instead of Lasers. I love being lazy.
This is the greatest thing ever.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:41:00 -
[112]
When Tech II laser crystals come out, I for one will relish the lack of diversity. The lack of any compelling reason to, say, use projectiles instead of Lasers. I love being lazy.
This is the greatest thing ever.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:02:00 -
[113]
crystals belong to energy weapons not lasers. Energy has mass so it can do kenetic and as for explosion thats just a large amount of thermal being released extreamly fast.
So i dont see a problem with giving them all 4dmg types.
And after all atm energy is only good for anti shield. but all other weapons have ammo that is anti shield or armour
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:02:00 -
[114]
crystals belong to energy weapons not lasers. Energy has mass so it can do kenetic and as for explosion thats just a large amount of thermal being released extreamly fast.
So i dont see a problem with giving them all 4dmg types.
And after all atm energy is only good for anti shield. but all other weapons have ammo that is anti shield or armour
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:20:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Problem is, everyone armour tanks these days and end up with higher kinetic/heat resistances than the granted 60% EM resistance.
End result?
You're probably better off using lasers to strip their shields super quick and still achieve the same damage against armour as rails/blasters anyway.
Yeah, against most proper armour tanks lasers do just fine, and get less of their damage resisted then hybrids. There are some exceptions, but you're not all that likely to run into it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:20:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert Problem is, everyone armour tanks these days and end up with higher kinetic/heat resistances than the granted 60% EM resistance.
End result?
You're probably better off using lasers to strip their shields super quick and still achieve the same damage against armour as rails/blasters anyway.
Yeah, against most proper armour tanks lasers do just fine, and get less of their damage resisted then hybrids. There are some exceptions, but you're not all that likely to run into it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:10:00 -
[117]
Particle Beams fall under the Beam weapon category in Eve. Perfectly reasonable for certain particles to cause kinetic and explosive damage.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:10:00 -
[118]
Particle Beams fall under the Beam weapon category in Eve. Perfectly reasonable for certain particles to cause kinetic and explosive damage.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:14:00 -
[119]
AFAIK, Real life lasers cause things to explode after a few seconds. ................. |

Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:14:00 -
[120]
AFAIK, Real life lasers cause things to explode after a few seconds. ................. |

YuuKnow
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:19:00 -
[121]
Originally by: DeFood When Tech II laser crystals come out, I for one will relish the lack of diversity. The lack of any compelling reason to, say, use projectiles instead of Lasers. I love being lazy.
This is the greatest thing ever.

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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:19:00 -
[122]
Originally by: DeFood When Tech II laser crystals come out, I for one will relish the lack of diversity. The lack of any compelling reason to, say, use projectiles instead of Lasers. I love being lazy.
This is the greatest thing ever.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:21:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Jorlin sorry for the offtopic post....but is it still Mr.Shogaatsu formerly known as HG in beta? 
One and the same.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:21:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Jorlin sorry for the offtopic post....but is it still Mr.Shogaatsu formerly known as HG in beta? 
One and the same.
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2004.08.01 21:13:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Cruz AFAIK, Real life lasers cause things to explode after a few seconds.
Depends on the size of the object, and that's due to the thermal energy hitting the object. One of my friends has been working with lasers all summer, and nothing's exploded yet.
If you guys want to make all types of turrets do all types of damage, projectiles need to be changed. ROF needs to increase, as does tracking, otherwise projectiles are pointless. --------------
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2004.08.01 21:13:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Cruz AFAIK, Real life lasers cause things to explode after a few seconds.
Depends on the size of the object, and that's due to the thermal energy hitting the object. One of my friends has been working with lasers all summer, and nothing's exploded yet.
If you guys want to make all types of turrets do all types of damage, projectiles need to be changed. ROF needs to increase, as does tracking, otherwise projectiles are pointless. --------------
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.08.01 21:24:00 -
[127]
@ Exp damage on lasers: Someone looked up the description on Tritanium, and apparently Tritanium has a tendency to explode at very high temperatures... --
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.08.01 21:24:00 -
[128]
@ Exp damage on lasers: Someone looked up the description on Tritanium, and apparently Tritanium has a tendency to explode at very high temperatures... --
If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please. |
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