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AeonPhoenix
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: AeonPhoenix on 22/01/2009 02:25:13
What follows is a series of unfortunate events
- If the mission brief had said what type of rats were on this recon part 1, I would have tanked specifically from the word go, and not triggered off the timed spawns by going and having a look first.
- If the mission hadn't been three jumps away I may have got back sooner before they all spawned in full force.
- If I weren't greedily after isk to pay someone some isk back and just handed it in, the ship would have been spared for another day.
- If I'd fitted a sensor booster, I may have been able to target the frigs to tell the drones to engage before the jamming kicked in.
- If one of the two frigs hadn't scrambled me I could have warped out.
- If the other one of the two frigs hadn't webbed me, I'd have easily tanked the giant storm of torpedoes incoming, and could have escaped by burning to the next acceleration gate.
- If the one jam cycle had just given me a second longer on the one window I got, I would've just been able to target the scrambler frig with my drones.
I kept a cool head, I kept aligned, I tried to lock the frigs the instant I got a window. I lasted around 5 1/2 minutes before my tank failed, it couldn't take every single rat in the room together with full damage. It wasn't super ultra tank as I has a heatsink but I could never have believed I'd end up so stuffed and sleepwalked straight into it. I've done this mission 200 times before but I guess I'd never warped out before, I realised I may be in trouble the moment I warped back in and the frigs were right on top of me from the off.
The second marauder I've lost within less then a year. Cancelling out most if not all the profit I ever made on all the months grinding in between. Despite the skills of the character the wisdom of the pilot do not match up.
I have now decided I'm no longer going to be using a Marauder within a mission again as even though I've got pretty much maxed out related skills I still manage to lose the ship.
I'm also going to be selling this character on the market to someone who can do better with it then I did.
Feel free to mock me if you like if it's so stupid to lose such items in a mission, it won't bother me as I'm still in that state of numb shock I get after a big ingame loss.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Titan Industries Technology Team Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:46:00 -
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I have never had Recon outside the system the agent is located in. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
AeonPhoenix
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes I have never had Recon outside the system the agent is located in.
Sorry for murky explanation, fixed OP.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:53:00 -
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That sucks man
Don't sell the account though, sleep on it for a week at least.
For next time, don't mix heatsinks with Guristas, you'd most likely do better in a Domi or plain Raven even if your skills aren't top notch. |
Mia Restolo
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:57:00 -
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Wait until reset at the next down time, blitz it in a shuttle or fast frig... takes a minute to complete.
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Terminus Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:26:00 -
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That sucks, dude. I feel for ya. I lost a 2 bil ship in Pirate Invasion because I forgot to turn on my second booster, and I took my attention off the game for a few minutes to answer a phone call. By the time I remembered the game, I was sitting in my pod. I was ****ed at myself, and wanted to quit, but I took the loss in stride eventually and moved on.
The good thing is that ISK is easy to come by in missions. I was lucky enough to have the cash in my account to pay for the replacement parts and start over. You can always start over in a lesser ship for a bit and make some money back, or just buy some GTC ISK. I wouldn't give up just yet.
As an aside, your Golem couldn't take the full room at once? My Drake could do that easy. Might want to re-examine your mods when you build up your new setup... You should be able to tank that entire room in a Golem with no problems. |
Lady Aja
Caldari Hannibals Pirates Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:46:00 -
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Recon Parts one and two can be done ina shuttle...
just burn for the gate and youre done. 3rd part you need to tank... hell recon lvl 4 part 3 can be done in a zealot.
this is such abn easy mission. sorry to hear you tried to do it the harder way.
can i have some of youre stuff?
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Lady Aja
Caldari Hannibals Pirates Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: AeonPhoenix Edited by: AeonPhoenix on 22/01/2009 02:50:33
What follows is a series of unfortunate events
Feel free to mock me if you like if it's so stupid to lose such items in a mission, it won't bother me as I'm still in that state of numb shock I get after a big ingame loss.
In the past onb a previous character I lost a dead space fitted absolution 4+b isk at the time of fitting. I took about 3 months off the game but kept training.
you will get past it .
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 22/01/2009 05:25:42 Recon 1 is harder to tank than the bonus room in AE at least for angels. Although Im surprised yo couldnt do it unless you tried to take a short cut on the tank fit.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Retreat Blade.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja Recon Parts one and two can be done ina shuttle...
just burn for the gate and youre done. 3rd part you need to tank... hell recon lvl 4 part 3 can be done in a zealot.
this is such abn easy mission. sorry to hear you tried to do it the harder way.
can i have some of youre stuff?
It's a nice amount of bounties with a dozen high bounty battleships, I always clear the spawns, then again I get the bloodraider version, not the gurista version. Gurista are just plain annoying. |
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DrWh0
Gallente Cubewanos
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:23:00 -
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Can I be the first one to hand you something to wipe away them tears.. as you say that you have completed the mission 200 times before so you should know how much dps this part kicks out on a full spawn.
Tip: If you **** up a mission wait until DT or turn it down and get another
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Flossing
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:26:00 -
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if you wanted to clear the room but wanted to do it safe, why didnt you fly to the jumpgate and fight from there, if you got in trouble just use the gate, its not locked.
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Erika Bronz
Gallente Nidaros fritidsforening
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:35:00 -
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It's not a jump gate, it's a warp gate in the mission. I don't think you can use the warp gate when you are scrambeled. A friend of mine lost a Drake that way, if I remember correctly.
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Mikal Drey
Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:37:00 -
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hey hey
2007.09.27 15:44
Victim: Mikal Drey Alliance: NONE Corp: Angels and Demons Destroyed: Claymore System: Aufay Security: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: Mercenary Wingman / Unknown (laid the final blow)
Name: Corelum Guardian Chief Patroller / Serpentis
Destroyed items:
Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost Power Diagnostic System II Warrior I (Drone Bay) Fusion M, Qty: 1687 (Cargo) 10MN Afterburner II Ballistic Deflection Field II Havoc Heavy Missile, Qty: 548 (Cargo) Valkyrie II (Drone Bay) Damage Control II Heavy Missile Launcher II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Power Diagnostic System II Heavy Missile Launcher II Cap Booster 50, Qty: 10 (Cargo) Havoc Heavy Missile, Qty: 39 Fusion M, Qty: 12 Fusion M, Qty: 12
I rarely die on missions and by rarely I mean pretty much never. I warped back from the mission and spoke to the agent. Undocked and warped to recon 3/3. As i knew i can afk the mission i simply warped in then went afk for a sec. I returned tot he PC in a Pod :/
Undure what happened i looked around in spac e and noticed that there were rats on my deathmail. It turns out i didnt click finish for recon 2/3 and had actually warped there.
Ive had that claymore for ages so i just went to refit. Suffice to say i almost had a heart attack when i saw the cost to replace it.
That state of shock you are in is one of the best things about the universe we live and play in. From what you said about skills vs pilot sounds like you bought it and didnt earn it.
**** happens, you either get busy living or get busy dying.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.01.22 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: AeonPhoenix - If the mission brief had said what type of rats were on this recon part 1, I would have tanked specifically from the word go, and not triggered off the timed spawns by going and having a look first.
Next time you see a mission briefing. Take note of the icon in front of the location. It denotes which rats/faction you will be fighting. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly It's a nice amount of bounties with a dozen high bounty battleships, I always clear the spawns, then again I get the bloodraider version, not the gurista version. Gurista are just plain annoying.
…which is why you do it in an Ishtar: enough drone DPS to melt the room in short order even when ECMed to pieces; small enough not to care about silly torps or cruises; fast enough not be a complete brick while webbed; high enough kin/therm resists to laugh the rest of it off. |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.22 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja Recon Parts one and two can be done ina shuttle...
The reason to do it in a battleship is to collect the bounties and loot. Not to finish quickly for mission reward.
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Cyb3r D3ath
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:35:00 -
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I've always stuck around ta kill all the NPC's in Recon lvl4, in the first room & second, never had a prob, maybe your setup was'nt that great.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Lady Aja Recon Parts one and two can be done ina shuttle...
The reason to do it in a battleship is to collect the bounties and loot. Not to finish quickly for mission reward.
I like todo it properly becuase of all the Named tachyons that i get
Umbra Is recruiting Amarr Missioners! |
Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cyb3r D3ath I've always stuck around ta kill all the NPC's in Recon lvl4, in the first room & second, never had a prob, maybe your setup was'nt that great.
OMFG Dude, your either a Vampire or a Robot, do you ever sleep? |
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:20:00 -
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Don't quit just because of one slipup!
Remember to read the mission briefings on the EVE-Survival site. |
Mistress Nyissa
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:14:00 -
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I do the guristas 1 of 3 in my raven easily.
IIRC I orbit the gate at something like 5k or 2.5k just enough to get the speed based damage reduction from the incoming missiles. The agro the whole room and start tearing them apart.
Sucks with the jamming but I run a perma boost 2 small booster setup and can sit there all day waiting for a jamming opening but rarely have to (make the cruisers a priority).
Those 1mil+ BS bounties are enough reason to leave the shuttle at home for this one. |
Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:01:00 -
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If you've really run this mission 200 times before it is surprising you are whining about taking your ball and going home because you lost a ship. WTF? It must have been a real bad night I suppose.
Okay, so you've run this mission "200 times" before, so you know all the ways to do it right and plenty of posters have written to remind you how to do this mission. You have listed all the mistakes you did this time, so what's up with the emo "I'm selling this char to someone who can do better with it"? Does someone need a hug? Yeah, I am mocking you but not for losing to the mission, but for losing to Eve - if all it takes is ONE mission loss and you call it quits, then maybe that is for the best.
If it is that you had your entire ISK fortune invested in this Marauder and now you are back at square 1, well, I can feel for you. If you had bemoaned having to start building that fortune again, sympathy would be there for having to go through that effort; but the only thing I can offer for "I got spanked! I'm quitting!" is can I haz your stuff.
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Latrodanes
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:58:00 -
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Done that, been there, sorta. Lost my first frigate to my first L2 mission. Hurt at that point, but I bought a newer, shinier one. So it needs to be said - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose! Come one, that's rule #1 in this game - always, be it PvE, PvP, hauling, mining, heck just sight-seeing.
Also, you masochists fighting your way through the Recons. Thanks from all us blitzers. We are getting a lot of ISK rewards from completing these by just skipping right on through all three with fast frigs. To each his own I guess, but I'm off to do other missions while you are slugging through the uber-spawns. |
AeonPhoenix
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:17:00 -
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Yeah it was a little emo-whiney of me probably. But the Paladin was faction fitted too, I lost around another 100 mill in fittings in that regard hummm.
If I make someone aware enough to make sure they take recon part 1 of 1 gurista seriously though I'm happy. Aswell as if they warp out the first room either come back with sensor booster or just leave alone tbh. As I got proper sucker punched.
Originally by: Flossing if you wanted to clear the room but wanted to do it safe, why didnt you fly to the jumpgate and fight from there, if you got in trouble just use the gate, its not locked.
I factored that into my OP. Thing is I was webbed down to about 5 m/s about 4 seconds after warp in.
There was nothing I could have done at that point after I'd warped back in with that setup, the mistake was warping back into it in the first place.
Would've needed a setup that could tank more than around 1000 dps perma whereas I didn't bring that as I knew how easy it was to speed tank missiles even in a bs. I wouldn't have been going anywhere for the next hour or so, could either slowboated to the next accel gate, or maybe eventually a large enough ecm window would've come up.
Although I say I've done this mission 500 times before, I think part of the problem is around 450 of those 500 times before will have been against Sansha from my experience which is a lot easier.
I never realised the entire rooms ecm would be so bad was my main mistake. If I'd realised beforehand the level of ewar that entire room puts out I'd known better to have left well alone.
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: AeonPhoenix - If the mission brief had said what type of rats were on this recon part 1, I would have tanked specifically from the word go, and not triggered off the timed spawns by going and having a look first.
Next time you see a mission briefing. Take note of the icon in front of the location. It denotes which rats/faction you will be fighting.
It doesn't show the icon on this particular mission unless it somehow escaped my attention, I've always looked for that on every mission and I've seen it pretty much on every mission but I never saw it on this one. I'll have to look again next time.
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comrade captain
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:25:00 -
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i did this yesterday using 3 damage mods in a kronos with 1 large repper and 3 hardeners, you just gotta take down the bses pretty quick before they overwhelm you
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 22/01/2009 16:06:12 Never actually lost anything in Recon 1/1, except my first Raven the first time I did the mission. I was still a nobling back then. But I feel for you and it sucks.
But killing the spawns in Recon is actually really good money, and doesn't take all too long. In the second pocket I only pop the BS, and then bug out. The annoying parts are the HACs in the first pocket >.<
I always do the Sansha version, so I don't get jammed, but TDs on my Tachs is no fun at all. It does, however, beat being permajammed by Guristas :/ The Nightmare does fine against those pesky blood raiders and sanshas.
Pick yourself up, fly cheaper ships and have fun again. Oh, and don't spend your entire EVE career running missions...it's not really what it was meant for. Try some other things, like trading, pewpewing, mining, production.
I've done must stuff, and finally got my sec status up from -4.3 so I'm welcome in high sec again :/. So now I do some trading.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:17:00 -
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Hey man calm down dont leave because of a bad mission. Take it as learning experience. I lost my faction fitted Navy Megathron back when they were actually worth something because a noob corpie started to shoot the triggers at the blockade :D still here corpie got poded out of frustration.
Recon is tough one of the few that actually are and you underestimated it and got punished. |
Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:27:00 -
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Don't feel bad - I have the bad habit of always losing a ship when I fly it for the first time.
I lost my first battleship because I tried my first level 4 mission (back when Zazzmatazz was hard) because I had approximately 500k sp in gunnery.
I lost my first Fleet Tempest because I accidentally triggered full aggro in WC level 2 with only a speed tank.
I lost my first Vargur because I accidentally popped an alliance mate's wreck instead of tractoring it
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Mike Huntswarm
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett Don't feel bad - I have the bad habit of always losing a ship when I fly it for the first time.
I lost my first battleship because I tried my first level 4 mission (back when Zazzmatazz was hard) because I had approximately 500k sp in gunnery.
I lost my first Fleet Tempest because I accidentally triggered full aggro in WC level 2 with only a speed tank.
I lost my first Vargur because I accidentally popped an alliance mate's wreck instead of tractoring it
did i read that right? |
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