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Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:18:00 - [31] Vargur yes, and I meant WC room 2 - with the spies - wasn't really paying attention, tackled with an arty fit.
Vietone Gallente Mercury Industries	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:19:00 - [32] Recon 1 of 3 isnt hard in a proper ship. I usually run my alt with a faction fit CNR and cruise missiles. IF needed, ill bring another character in a Domi with remote shield transporters and sensor boosters and if needed, remote ECCM. Domi can use drones to kill frigates and having 10 light drones ( 5 from each ship) makes destroying frigates way too easy. I only use tech 1 drones because I launched them in the beginning of every mission. They make easy cannon fodder and the cruisers and BS that attack the light drones means thats a while longer they are not attacking my ship if its a hard mission. My CNR can perma run a XL booster and using 2 Caldari invil fields and 2 Tech 2 shield amps, I have yet to come across a mission that can break it. EveHQ shows an omni tank of over 900 DPS and EFT shows almost 900 defense rating as well.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:32:00 - [33] Edited by: Andrue on 22/01/2009 17:32:00 Meh. The current Recon is a shadow of its former glory. Even Nighthawk pilots used to stop grinning and pay attention to what they were doing. Now it's just another room with Things To Blow Up(TM). Ah well, get yourself another ship and move on. Ship losses happen in missions sometimes. ..or so I've been told.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:35:00 - [34] Raises a couple questions, btw. What if AeonPh had asked for help in local? Would he have gotten the vultures of Eve ready to pick his carcass, or would he have gotten help? Would you help someone asking for it in local? I probably would, ever since the lofty scam was addressed by CCP. Though I'd use a T1 ship with T2 fit, nothing overly expensive. Heck, in the OP's case any frig would have done the job.
AeonPhoenix	Posted - 2009.01.22 19:20:00 - [35] I thought about it at the time Quin, while I would've offered a reward as incentive to any who came and saved the ship. Something like 100 million isk. As I had more then enough time to wait for someone to get me out of that mess. Thing is I decided against it and I'm glad I didn't, as there's bound to be at least one vulture in local, who only needs to fleet up, warp to me and just sit there and watch me die. Or even if a who came to rescue me didnt quite do it fast enough, he still would've wanted paying no doubt. And I'd be in the shame situation right now, minus around 120 million in module drops from my wrecked ship that they would have looted.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.22 21:27:00 - [36] I was farming recon 1/3 for sec status a while back, (was -3 or so and we were about to do some wardecs), kill 1 bs on warp in, then kill all the ships that aren't bs, then kill 1 bs every 15 mins or w/e it is. my tank was 1 lar II, 2 kin hardener II, 2 therm II. using a domi with garde IIs. depending on what else I was doing I would either take missions on my alt and go help with those or just sit in the room. permajam and warp scrams from guristas is the suck, how I lost my first raven
Naran Darkmood Gallente MC Cubed 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.22 21:57:00 - [37] There is a reason my mission Domi is called "Yuk XI" (there 3-4 of the others still alive stashed away at some remote agent locations). The first loss was fitted with a centus x-type LAR (when they were only 600 mil). even deadspace items don't help, if you don't activate your tank ... Take it liek a man, you can earn another marauder in a fortnight
Lady Valory Caldari Caldari Strike Force PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:16:00 - [38] The saddest part is the OP is doing recon all wrong... 1) find any of a dozen low sec pockets with 10 level 4 q20 agents 2) max out ur standings/social/LP skills 3) build a uber recon-mission ship like a stabber Now what u do is just fly around and spam ur agent... When u get recon, u do the 3 missions, and then respam... In a day of missioning you can make 300 000 LP for zero work, zero risk, and u get lots of uber faction missions to complete ... After a while u can even start selling standings by ganging people 50 jumps away and just sharing the standings... Anyway, doing the recon mission in 1 minute is just the proper way to do it... forget the rats and just do it easy and semi afk.
Number 86 Eat Ship and Die	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:24:00 - [39] I run lvl 4 Recon 1/3 and 2/3 in a tristan, it never fails.
MarieFrance Tessier	Posted - 2009.01.24 01:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Vietone Recon 1 of 3 isnt hard in a proper ship. I usually run my alt with a faction fit CNR and cruise missiles. IF needed, ill bring another character in a Domi with remote shield transporters and sensor boosters and if needed, remote ECCM. Domi can use drones to kill frigates and having 10 light drones ( 5 from each ship) makes destroying frigates way too easy. I only use tech 1 drones because I launched them in the beginning of every mission. They make easy cannon fodder and the cruisers and BS that attack the light drones means thats a while longer they are not attacking my ship if its a hard mission. My CNR can perma run a XL booster and using 2 Caldari invil fields and 2 Tech 2 shield amps, I have yet to come across a mission that can break it. EveHQ shows an omni tank of over 900 DPS and EFT shows almost 900 defense rating as well. Sensor strenght does NOT affect NPC jam rates, thus ECCM are ineffectual.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.01.24 02:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Ancy Denaries I always do the Sansha version, so I don't get jammed, but TDs on my Tachs is no fun at all. It does, however, beat being permajammed by Guristas :/ The Nightmare does fine against those pesky blood raiders and sanshas. I don't know about Amarr ships, but the Golem, the Caldari marauder, has quite poor sensor strength, compared to the Raven (BS) and even more so the Navy Raven (faction BS). Even the Drake (BC) has much better sensor strength than the Golem. Doesn't that help against NPC jamming? -- Salpad
Homefries	Posted - 2009.01.24 07:15:00 - [42] I'm rather new to the missioning world, but was able to clear Recon 1 of 3 Angel faction with a Maelstrom perma boost (it took a while because my dps skills aren't that great). 3 CCCs Lows: DC2, CapFluxCoil2 x 4 Mids: ExpHard2, InvField2 x 2, XLargeBoost2, BoostAmp, CapRecharge2 Highs: ArbyCruise x 3, 1400mm Scout Arty x 3, DroneLinkAug, 200mm Light Scout Auto I waited til all 4 waves were launched before releasing drones. Just in case, I orbited the jump gate but the tank was never threatened. Used Depleted Uranium Ammo and Devastator/Wrath cruise missles. No faction modules, all t1 weaponry and drones--basically, nothing special. I'm too poor and don't play enough to make the big iskies for anything more. EFT says it tanks ~950 Angel dps. For those Minmatar pilots who are new to the game and looking at this fit--you'll need to have good shield tanking skills to make the perma boost work. Great BS for missioning except it moves so bloody slow. Don't sell your character bro, none of it is real anyway. Just put together another ship, you'll be fine. Name it Phoenix.
Pteranodon	Posted - 2009.01.24 12:03:00 - [43] Recon is a mission which gives you choices- blitz or fight. You made the wrong choice with you ship fit. Get over it & stop whinning- because it was all your own fault. If I want the extra 10 million + bounties in recon then I do the mission & fit with an Omni tank- so I dont have to worry about damage & you should do the same. Stop moaning you got jammed by a little frig which should have been easily killed by a combat drone- did you forget these as well? Go back to mommy- she will kiss you & make you feel better.
Leandro Salazar Better Dead Then Smeg	Posted - 2009.01.24 12:03:00 - [44] You need to add "If I hadn't had the silly idea of using a lasership against Guristas..." to your list On another note, if you had enough time to ponder asking for help in local, why didn't you just log off? One minute after logoff, your ship vanishes from space if it is not pvp-aggroed, and then you can come up with a plan to get out while its safely in limbo, or even just wait the 7 days till the mission expires. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
commander death666	Posted - 2009.01.25 11:10:00 - [45] ever think of reading eve survival for a mishy brefing to know what to expect and such? it would of saved you a lot of isk and the unfortunate loss
Eelis Kiy Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2009.01.25 11:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: AeonPhoenix - If the mission brief had said what type of rats were on this recon part 1, I would have tanked specifically from the word go, and not triggered off the timed spawns by going and having a look first. Next time you see a mission briefing. Take note of the icon in front of the location. It denotes which rats/faction you will be fighting. And read up on the mission on the mission reports website (ask for the link in help channel).
Depopulo	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Lady Valory The saddest part is the OP is doing recon all wrong... 1) find any of a dozen low sec pockets with 10 level 4 q20 agents 2) max out ur standings/social/LP skills 3) build a uber recon-mission ship like a stabber Now what u do is just fly around and spam ur agent... When u get recon, u do the 3 missions, and then respam... In a day of missioning you can make 300 000 LP for zero work, zero risk, and u get lots of uber faction missions to complete ... After a while u can even start selling standings by ganging people 50 jumps away and just sharing the standings... Anyway, doing the recon mission in 1 minute is just the proper way to do it... forget the rats and just do it easy and semi afk. huh?? 300,000 Lp for a day of missioning? How does this work again??
Talio ZomB	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:25:00 - [48] I think u should use marauders still, just pimp it even more. stick with it dude!!!11eleven11!! My bro uses a kronos to great effect with 3 mag stabs, and amazing dps, with also pretty much perma tank, has a very nice rep, dunno what, plus guristas are easy to tank.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2009.01.26 16:20:00 - [49] Wow... that sucks man... but how could it happen? You said you lasted 5 and 1/2 minutes right? how could a single webbing frigate have prevented your approaching the acceleration gate and jumping? This has happened to me loads of times in an abaddon, but I've never failed to make the jump. That said, obviously you're not a noob if you've run this hundreds of times. It is definitely a real bugger.
Weeka Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.26 22:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Andrue Meh. The current Recon is a shadow of its former glory. Even Nighthawk pilots used to stop grinning and pay attention to what they were doing. No they didn't ---
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Tom Peeping Wow... that sucks man... but how could it happen? You said you lasted 5 and 1/2 minutes right? how could a single webbing frigate have prevented your approaching the acceleration gate and jumping? This has happened to me loads of times in an abaddon, but I've never failed to make the jump. He said he was scrammed too. Can't use an accel gate or warp if you're jammed.
Sagacious Z Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:43:00 - [52] Originally by: AeonPhoenix - If the mission brief had said what type of rats were on this recon part 1, I would have tanked specifically from the word go, and not triggered off the timed spawns by going and having a look first. ... ... The second marauder I've lost within less then a year. Cancelling out most if not all the profit I ever made on all the months grinding in between. First, it is too bad that players do know what types of enemies they face so they can tank and arm accrdingly in many missions. I truly wish that players would not know this, as it takes away a degree of "realism" in the game, thus degrades the game a bit. In RL, when armies go into battle, they do not know exactly what they will be facing. I really wish it were this way in EVE--in ALL the missions. Second, too many players fly ships too expensive. If you lost "months of grinding" to pay for that one ship, then your ship and mods are too expensive and you should step down to more affordable ships and mods. How many times must this fact be stated on these forums?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.27 00:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Sagacious Z In RL, when armies go into battle, they do not know exactly what they will be facing. Umm, yes they do. It's not the 1940's anymore. Well, the 1st world does at least, and the 1st world only fights 3rd world nations, or guys in caves. Thus enjoying total intelligence domination. Since WW2, that is. (Falklands schmalklands, Argies were a 3rd world nation back then, and I'd say they still are.) Yeah, you can argue details if you want, but overall that's how it is.
Sagacious Z Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2009.01.27 02:02:00 - [54] Edited by: Sagacious Z on 27/01/2009 02:04:02 Originally by: Qui Shon Umm, yes they do. Umm, no they don't. There is never perfect intelligence, e.g., USA goes to war in Iraq because of nukes (there were no nuke programs/materials discovered), and had no idea if chemical weapons would be used or not--they went into battle with logistics and tactics prepared for chemical weapons, and chemical weapons were not used. 2nd example taken from an ABC news report during the land war in Iraq: "When the U.S. Army recently lost a pair of its ultimate ground battle vehicles, the M1 Abrams tank, to Iraqi ground forces fighting in southern Iraq, the knock-out punch came from a weapon Iraq was not expected to have ù a Russian missile called the Kornet-E." So, you are dead wrong. How in the world can you even think that there is perfect intelligence leading up to battle in real life? 3rd example: the USA had absolutely no idea whatsoever that they would face the types of IEDs that Iraq used, nor did they know at the time Iran was supplying them to Iraq, and many deaths occured to these IEDs because of a lack of "perfect intelligence" that you so ridiculously believe occurs in every battle since 1940. You obviously lack knowledge about military intelligence and capabilities, and you obviously are not a student of current affairs or military history (even recent history) regarding military operations. Analogies aside, it is too bad that EVE players can know ahead of time in most missions how to tank their ship and what type of ammo or missiles to use. The more realism there is in a game, the more challenge there is to the game. The greater the challenge, the more the fun. It is so sad that we are able to know what type of enemy we will face on most missions and their capability, and it is even sadder that so many EVE players want to know this info ahead of time.
Walhall Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.27 03:11:00 - [55] Originally by: Sagacious Z Edited by: Sagacious Z on 27/01/2009 02:04:02 Originally by: Qui Shon Umm, yes they do. Umm, no they don't. There is never perfect intelligence, e.g., USA goes to war in Iraq because of nukes (there were no nuke programs/materials discovered), and had no idea if chemical weapons would be used or not--they went into battle with logistics and tactics prepared for chemical weapons, and chemical weapons were not used. 2nd example taken from an ABC news report during the land war in Iraq: "When the U.S. Army recently lost a pair of its ultimate ground battle vehicles, the M1 Abrams tank, to Iraqi ground forces fighting in southern Iraq, the knock-out punch came from a weapon Iraq was not expected to have ù a Russian missile called the Kornet-E." So, you are dead wrong. How in the world can you even think that there is perfect intelligence leading up to battle in real life? 3rd example: the USA had absolutely no idea whatsoever that they would face the types of IEDs that Iraq used, nor did they know at the time Iran was supplying them to Iraq, and many deaths occured to these IEDs because of a lack of "perfect intelligence" that you so ridiculously believe occurs in every battle since 1940. You obviously lack knowledge about military intelligence and capabilities, and you obviously are not a student of current affairs or military history (even recent history) regarding military operations. Analogies aside, it is too bad that EVE players can know ahead of time in most missions how to tank their ship and what type of ammo or missiles to use. The more realism there is in a game, the more challenge there is to the game. The greater the challenge, the more the fun. It is so sad that we are able to know what type of enemy we will face on most missions and their capability, and it is even sadder that so many EVE players want to know this info ahead of time. true
Niko Takahashi	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:36:00 - [56] A timed mission spawn being uber after you mess up and come back laer to fin the whole 1000 dps plus room waiting for you :D ahahahah sorry read the dam mission reports :D \Can i have your stuff :D
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.27 07:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Sagacious Z Umm, no they don't. Mere details, which I said you can argue.
Sagacious Z Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 27/01/2009 17:56:19 Originally by: Sagacious Z Umm, no they don't. Mere details, Haaa! ROFL! Yes, they were "mere details" and the "mere details" detailed that you were dead wrong in saying that in modern times there is (paraphrased) "perfect intelligence". I gave you three (actually more). Do you want more examples? Actually, you should go brush up on recent military history. I'll let you find more examples. In EVE, when you get blown up an podded, you just go back to base, dust yourself off, get into your new clone and get yourself a new ship. That is what you need to do here. You've been podded.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Sagacious Z Haaa! ROFL! Yes, they were "mere details" and the "mere details" detailed that you were dead wrong in saying that in modern times there is (paraphrased) "perfect intelligence". I gave you three (actually more). Do you want more examples? Actually, you should go brush up on recent military history. I'll let you find more examples. In EVE, when you get blown up an podded, you just go back to base, dust yourself off, get into your new clone and get yourself a new ship. That is what you need to do here. You've been podded. Pfft, hardly. You're the only one who's been going on about perfect intelligence, not me. I said total intelligence domination, which is something completely different and cannot be paraphrased into "perfect intelligence". If you cannot discern between a comparative statement and an absolute one, that's your problem. The things you brought up are minor details that matter at a low level, to individuals or company level at most. Of course also at an emotional level for others, but that's neither here nor there as far as this discussion is concerned. They do not matter army level, which is the statement I responded to. You're going on about trifles like IED's, an unexpected missile and loosing a couple tanks. These do not matter. They have no impact on ability to complete the mission. I gave you examples of scale that matter to armies, to contrast with your little worries, but I guess you didn't read them. Or understand the difference.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:30:00 - [60] Originally by: AeonPhoenix Edited by: AeonPhoenix on 22/01/2009 19:30:04 I thought about it at the time Quin, while I would've offered a reward as incentive to any who came and saved the ship. Something like 100 million isk. As I had more then enough time to wait for someone to get me out of that mess. Thing is I decided against it and I'm glad I didn't, as there's bound to be at least one vulture in local, who only needs to fleet up, warp to me and just sit there and watch me die. Or even if whoever came to rescue me didnt quite do it fast enough, he still would've wanted paying no doubt. And I'd be in the same situation right now, minus around 120 million in module drops from my wrecked ship that they would have looted. One reason not to stay in NPC corps the whole time...

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