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Killash Larz	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:24:00 - [31] Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51 Originally by: Baconjoe Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too Me too
Killash Larz	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:24:00 - [32] Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51 Originally by: Baconjoe Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too Me too
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.30 14:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Killash Larz Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51 Originally by: Baconjoe Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too Me too Me too me too ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.30 14:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Killash Larz Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51 Originally by: Baconjoe Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too Me too Me too me too ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2004.07.30 15:53:00 - [35] Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far. Perhaps if you are at war with the corporation, all sales to them are prevented from being processed. This would actually add an extra dimension to the War, bringing embargoes, blockades and sanctions into play. Just interested, this is a discussion forum, why do people feel the need to discuss nothing?
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2004.07.30 15:53:00 - [36] Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far. Perhaps if you are at war with the corporation, all sales to them are prevented from being processed. This would actually add an extra dimension to the War, bringing embargoes, blockades and sanctions into play. Just interested, this is a discussion forum, why do people feel the need to discuss nothing?
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:04:00 - [37] I think it's a nice idea, just not nice enough to have dev's spend their precious time on it. The rp perspective is certainly sound, but I don't feel it would really add to the game, only cause more complication.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:04:00 - [38] I think it's a nice idea, just not nice enough to have dev's spend their precious time on it. The rp perspective is certainly sound, but I don't feel it would really add to the game, only cause more complication.
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2004.07.30 17:04:00 - [39] Originally by: mahhy Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all). Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character. Other uses of standings in this way would be to: - offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X - offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X - and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0 - refuse to sell if its -5 or lower. People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care? It works fine for everyone. Pirates can't honestly think that there aren't enough people just in it for the isk that will always supply whatever to whoever. That's what being Gallente and Caldari is!! (don't flame please, just a joke) And RP'ers should be able to do this because do you think the US would sell their extremely hard to come by nuclear weapons to terrorist groups? Or that Russians would sell weapons to the Chechnyans? Or even water? But, there will always be organizations that will. So what's the problem?
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2004.07.30 17:04:00 - [40] Originally by: mahhy Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all). Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character. Other uses of standings in this way would be to: - offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X - offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X - and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0 - refuse to sell if its -5 or lower. People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care? It works fine for everyone. Pirates can't honestly think that there aren't enough people just in it for the isk that will always supply whatever to whoever. That's what being Gallente and Caldari is!! (don't flame please, just a joke) And RP'ers should be able to do this because do you think the US would sell their extremely hard to come by nuclear weapons to terrorist groups? Or that Russians would sell weapons to the Chechnyans? Or even water? But, there will always be organizations that will. So what's the problem?
Hematic	Posted - 2004.07.30 22:02:00 - [41] Actually it would add another dimension to the game. The only trouble in implementing it is that the lowest price at a dock masks other similar products. To be fair all prices at the station would then have to be available if the person buying was flagged as embargo'd. I see this idea having a bit more usefulness in Shiva if whole alliances could embargo other alliances etc... On another note a trade allaince could be formed to declare war or otherwise seek to punish corps that sold to embargo'd allainces. Could actually add an interesting facet to the world of eve. But to really pull it off there are many more tools required.
Hematic	Posted - 2004.07.30 22:02:00 - [42] Actually it would add another dimension to the game. The only trouble in implementing it is that the lowest price at a dock masks other similar products. To be fair all prices at the station would then have to be available if the person buying was flagged as embargo'd. I see this idea having a bit more usefulness in Shiva if whole alliances could embargo other alliances etc... On another note a trade allaince could be formed to declare war or otherwise seek to punish corps that sold to embargo'd allainces. Could actually add an interesting facet to the world of eve. But to really pull it off there are many more tools required.
mahhy	Posted - 2004.07.31 00:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Darth Revanant I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care? /me hands Darth Revanant the cookie Its entirely voluntary wether you choose to apply standings to your buy/sell orders, thats exactly the point. If all that matters to you is ISK (probably Caldari character!) then go ahead and buy or sell from or too anyone. It doesn't change your game in the slightest. What it does allow is people who actually play this game to Roleplay to expand upon the possible ways they can roleplay. That should be encouraged as much as possible. Without roleplay of some sort Eve is nothing more than a slow paced FPS.
mahhy	Posted - 2004.07.31 00:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Darth Revanant I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care? /me hands Darth Revanant the cookie Its entirely voluntary wether you choose to apply standings to your buy/sell orders, thats exactly the point. If all that matters to you is ISK (probably Caldari character!) then go ahead and buy or sell from or too anyone. It doesn't change your game in the slightest. What it does allow is people who actually play this game to Roleplay to expand upon the possible ways they can roleplay. That should be encouraged as much as possible. Without roleplay of some sort Eve is nothing more than a slow paced FPS.
mahhy	Posted - 2004.07.31 00:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far. I never read the original poster to mean "blanket ban". Unless you're blind and never looked at standings before, you've probably noticed that you can set your own standings towards any character, corporation, or government etc. You could literally do things like: - anyone under -5.0, no sales - anyone over +5.0 sec status 5% discount - anyone over +5.9 personal standing with "Amarr", 10% discount - anyone with +3.5 personal or corp standing with Minmatar, 15% increase in price. - corp at war: no sales at all of course - alliance at war: no sales (alliance members could probably see some HUGE benefits to this if they thought about it! A valid market in DSS-EZ, but no CA member can buy?) The possibilities are endless. Useful and meanful implemntation of standings is one of the largest barriers I see to making this game into a real RPG. And I'm not a roleplayer.
mahhy	Posted - 2004.07.31 00:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far. I never read the original poster to mean "blanket ban". Unless you're blind and never looked at standings before, you've probably noticed that you can set your own standings towards any character, corporation, or government etc. You could literally do things like: - anyone under -5.0, no sales - anyone over +5.0 sec status 5% discount - anyone over +5.9 personal standing with "Amarr", 10% discount - anyone with +3.5 personal or corp standing with Minmatar, 15% increase in price. - corp at war: no sales at all of course - alliance at war: no sales (alliance members could probably see some HUGE benefits to this if they thought about it! A valid market in DSS-EZ, but no CA member can buy?) The possibilities are endless. Useful and meanful implemntation of standings is one of the largest barriers I see to making this game into a real RPG. And I'm not a roleplayer.
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.07.31 02:50:00 - [47] I like selling pirates their stuff back. Kind of a double hit. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.07.31 02:50:00 - [48] I like selling pirates their stuff back. Kind of a double hit. Fear the Ibis of doom.
foster	Posted - 2004.07.31 23:03:00 - [49] not really a good idea we produce all sorts of tech 1 stuff. and i'll sell to any body who wants to buy from me. it's isk at the end of the day.
foster	Posted - 2004.07.31 23:03:00 - [50] not really a good idea we produce all sorts of tech 1 stuff. and i'll sell to any body who wants to buy from me. it's isk at the end of the day.
Mang0o	Posted - 2004.08.01 03:00:00 - [51] yes RollinDutchMasters very very stupid :) and its alts and its just you who is loseing isk on it? .. No you just can¦t a-have-a the Mang0o
Mang0o	Posted - 2004.08.01 03:00:00 - [52] yes RollinDutchMasters very very stupid :) and its alts and its just you who is loseing isk on it? .. No you just can¦t a-have-a the Mang0o
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.08.01 16:41:00 - [53] If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.08.01 16:41:00 - [54] If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers.
Toastmaster	Posted - 2004.08.01 18:54:00 - [55] If this was true i want to be able to kick out ppl from thier ships when they are down at hull and capture the ship Its as likly as this change will be implented "viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
Toastmaster	Posted - 2004.08.01 18:54:00 - [56] If this was true i want to be able to kick out ppl from thier ships when they are down at hull and capture the ship Its as likly as this change will be implented "viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers. "Uppity peddlers". Heh! I like that! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.02 10:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers. "Uppity peddlers". Heh! I like that! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Korben Allahn	Posted - 2004.08.02 18:42:00 - [59] The Market is the EVE equivalent to 21st century E-Bay. You can't select your customer in either one. If you want to be selective about to whom you sell, I'd suggest the appropriate channels. I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy".
Korben Allahn	Posted - 2004.08.02 18:42:00 - [60] The Market is the EVE equivalent to 21st century E-Bay. You can't select your customer in either one. If you want to be selective about to whom you sell, I'd suggest the appropriate channels. I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy".

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