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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:32:00 -
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I think it would be cool if you could choose in your info or something that if someone has a negative rating, or is part of a corp that you have a negative rating towards, then you can choose the option not to sell to them. I guess it may make the market system difficult, but i don't know much about programing or anything. It would be simple i think. Just have one of those nifty auto reply's that anoy us, saying something like, The seller sees you as a threat blah blah blah, you get mad, bang the desk, then try and buy from someone else. This would enable people to not sell to pirates or competing corps if they didn't want to. It would also creat more of a fluctuation in the market. As the demand would go up for some people's goods that sold to pirates, therefore their price would go up. But the other people could sell at a better price, and more people would buy from them. So it's give or take. And you can choose to say bugger off to a bloody pirate.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:32:00 -
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I think it would be cool if you could choose in your info or something that if someone has a negative rating, or is part of a corp that you have a negative rating towards, then you can choose the option not to sell to them. I guess it may make the market system difficult, but i don't know much about programing or anything. It would be simple i think. Just have one of those nifty auto reply's that anoy us, saying something like, The seller sees you as a threat blah blah blah, you get mad, bang the desk, then try and buy from someone else. This would enable people to not sell to pirates or competing corps if they didn't want to. It would also creat more of a fluctuation in the market. As the demand would go up for some people's goods that sold to pirates, therefore their price would go up. But the other people could sell at a better price, and more people would buy from them. So it's give or take. And you can choose to say bugger off to a bloody pirate.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
 Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
Doesn'this constitute a flame? I got my warning e-mails before, so i'm sure you will be getting yours soon.
Ok, now to the players that actually have an active role in the EVE market, think about how you could not sell to Ore thiefs and the like. And yes, there are alts, but that fubers up a lot of the aspects of the game as it is. So it's not like having people exploit alts for something else is any different.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
Doesn'this constitute a flame? I got my warning e-mails before, so i'm sure you will be getting yours soon.
Ok, now to the players that actually have an active role in the EVE market, think about how you could not sell to Ore thiefs and the like. And yes, there are alts, but that fubers up a lot of the aspects of the game as it is. So it's not like having people exploit alts for something else is any different.
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Gift
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:59:00 -
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eh, intresting idea but dont think it could ever work cuz of alts like "whats her name" said. Wouldnt call it stupid though.
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Gift
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:59:00 -
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eh, intresting idea but dont think it could ever work cuz of alts like "whats her name" said. Wouldnt call it stupid though.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:00:00 -
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It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:00:00 -
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It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:17:00 -
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A sale blacklist would be better. Instead of security status you could say, Don't sell to anyone on the same account of this person, or Don't sell to anyone who has a character in guild X on their account. Similar to the way they implemented housing bans on Ultima Online back in the day. The housing bans worked by account so any character on the account of the character you banned couldn't enter the house.
It would address the 'alt' problem to some degree. But the determined people who buy multiple accounts can still get past it. But that means more money for CCP anyways, which means more development funding for Eve, which is better for everyone in the long run.
And FYI, economic warfare is just as normal as regular warfare. Just ask all those countries that have sanctions placed on them. 
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:17:00 -
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A sale blacklist would be better. Instead of security status you could say, Don't sell to anyone on the same account of this person, or Don't sell to anyone who has a character in guild X on their account. Similar to the way they implemented housing bans on Ultima Online back in the day. The housing bans worked by account so any character on the account of the character you banned couldn't enter the house.
It would address the 'alt' problem to some degree. But the determined people who buy multiple accounts can still get past it. But that means more money for CCP anyways, which means more development funding for Eve, which is better for everyone in the long run.
And FYI, economic warfare is just as normal as regular warfare. Just ask all those countries that have sanctions placed on them.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:13:00 -
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Some one not agreeing with your opinion constitutes a flame? thats a new one.
.....but onto the point the blackmarket idea is proberly good but TBH how many sellers realy care who buys there stuff? unless its some of those rarer items ie covert cloaks ect?
IF its an item like the above mentioned then it proberly could come in usefull because its a potentialy powerfull weapon to poccess against your enermy but on more standard items take a large ion blaster 1 who cares who buys it you get the cash and the item is th commem they will get it anyway so why not let them give you there money?
my 0.2isk worth
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:13:00 -
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Some one not agreeing with your opinion constitutes a flame? thats a new one.
.....but onto the point the blackmarket idea is proberly good but TBH how many sellers realy care who buys there stuff? unless its some of those rarer items ie covert cloaks ect?
IF its an item like the above mentioned then it proberly could come in usefull because its a potentialy powerfull weapon to poccess against your enermy but on more standard items take a large ion blaster 1 who cares who buys it you get the cash and the item is th commem they will get it anyway so why not let them give you there money?
my 0.2isk worth
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:30:00 -
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To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold 
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:30:00 -
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To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:52:00 -
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THAT MUS BE ONE 0F T3H STUPIDESTEST IDEAS EVAH!
(and, no, i don't need to buy stuff from anyone else than my friends)
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:52:00 -
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THAT MUS BE ONE 0F T3H STUPIDESTEST IDEAS EVAH!
(and, no, i don't need to buy stuff from anyone else than my friends)
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Heh, just like this man said, In the legitimate business world "Money talks and bull**** walks". 
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Heh, just like this man said, In the legitimate business world "Money talks and bull**** walks".
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.29 23:09:00 -
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Although the basic idear is good i have a corp member that after being in a BS battle with a Charector turned around and sold him a new BS
i think most peoble could not care less who buys the items now if there was unike items in the game that only certain corps made then yes it would be a way to make economical sanctions but as it is now it would not make much deference
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.29 23:09:00 -
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Although the basic idear is good i have a corp member that after being in a BS battle with a Charector turned around and sold him a new BS
i think most peoble could not care less who buys the items now if there was unike items in the game that only certain corps made then yes it would be a way to make economical sanctions but as it is now it would not make much deference
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:31:00 -
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Ok, lets think this through, assuming it got implimented:
'Yay!' say the carebears. 'we dont have to sell to pirates, and can inflict economic hardship upon them!'
Economic factors push up the price pirates pay for bships. Pirates with 2nd accounts are unnaffected, although they cant buy them with alts. Resellers that just profit by buying bships at normal market value and reselling at 'pirate value' pop up.
The increased price for pirates forces some out of the already less than profitable profession. Less pirates means less ships lost on both sides of the fence. the carebear ship price drops as less replacements are needed.
Carebears start to get upset they cant get the same markup from their bses, they start to get upset that resellers profit from the situation. They whine on forums, CCP nerfs the game and takes the markets out entirely. People leave EVE in droves, EVE shuts down.
Ok well I kinda got carried away at the end, but it would simply make the market impossible to balance and is utterly pointless imho.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:31:00 -
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Ok, lets think this through, assuming it got implimented:
'Yay!' say the carebears. 'we dont have to sell to pirates, and can inflict economic hardship upon them!'
Economic factors push up the price pirates pay for bships. Pirates with 2nd accounts are unnaffected, although they cant buy them with alts. Resellers that just profit by buying bships at normal market value and reselling at 'pirate value' pop up.
The increased price for pirates forces some out of the already less than profitable profession. Less pirates means less ships lost on both sides of the fence. the carebear ship price drops as less replacements are needed.
Carebears start to get upset they cant get the same markup from their bses, they start to get upset that resellers profit from the situation. They whine on forums, CCP nerfs the game and takes the markets out entirely. People leave EVE in droves, EVE shuts down.
Ok well I kinda got carried away at the end, but it would simply make the market impossible to balance and is utterly pointless imho.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:37:00 -
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Quote:
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Yep. ISK=ISK
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:37:00 -
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Quote:
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Yep. ISK=ISK
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:39:00 -
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Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all).
Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character.
Other uses of standings in this way would be to:
- offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0
- refuse to sell if its -5 or lower.
People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination 
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:39:00 -
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Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all).
Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character.
Other uses of standings in this way would be to:
- offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0
- refuse to sell if its -5 or lower.
People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:13:00 -
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 Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
We are cursed men
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:13:00 -
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Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
We are cursed men
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