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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.02 20:17:00 -
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The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.02 20:17:00 -
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The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:02:00 -
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 Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Well so when in RL is not economy wrong to use as a weapon?
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Well so when in RL is not economy wrong to use as a weapon?
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.08.03 13:56:00 -
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there could be, once alliances come out something like a percent discount to allies maybe, or corp mates? i think that economy should be used and that is you want to give discounts to groups (this could be part of alliance payments or tolls) or if you wanted to black list people you should be able too.
This should be posted in the idea lab Krakizbad :)
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.08.03 13:56:00 -
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there could be, once alliances come out something like a percent discount to allies maybe, or corp mates? i think that economy should be used and that is you want to give discounts to groups (this could be part of alliance payments or tolls) or if you wanted to black list people you should be able too.
This should be posted in the idea lab Krakizbad :)
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MuttleyMk2
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:26:00 -
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Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
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MuttleyMk2
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:26:00 -
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Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: MuttleyMk2
Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
Which they can still do, we're not talking about making everyone use standings for their market transactions. We're just saying that if you want to specify people or organizations to sell to or not, then you can. If you don't care, fine. Your orders are open to everyone. I'm sure most sellers (especially people whose primary function is as a trader) will not do it at all. Which is just fine, and even realistic.
On the other hand, those dedicated sellers might just have a market rivalry going on with someone or some corp. In that case they may want to prevent that person from buying up all their items and reselling at a markup. I don't know. I'm not all that concerned about the intricacies of the market. It's an idea of how this feature may be usefull though.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: MuttleyMk2
Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
Which they can still do, we're not talking about making everyone use standings for their market transactions. We're just saying that if you want to specify people or organizations to sell to or not, then you can. If you don't care, fine. Your orders are open to everyone. I'm sure most sellers (especially people whose primary function is as a trader) will not do it at all. Which is just fine, and even realistic.
On the other hand, those dedicated sellers might just have a market rivalry going on with someone or some corp. In that case they may want to prevent that person from buying up all their items and reselling at a markup. I don't know. I'm not all that concerned about the intricacies of the market. It's an idea of how this feature may be usefull though.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold 
exactly...capitalism at it's finest.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
exactly...capitalism at it's finest.
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Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.08.03 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Korben Allahn on 03/08/2004 18:49:32
 Originally by: Darth Revanant
The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
THe Market is still not the same as running your own personal store.
How about a better comparison. Escrow is more like Ebay, you're right. And the Market is like a vending machine at a gas station. If you're putting something for sale on Market, it's like selling your product to a vending machine owner. You can't tell the vendor who he's allowed to sell to and who he's not.
Again, if you want to run your own personal store, I suggest you use the appropriate channels. THat's why they're there. The market is designed to imitate the process of selling to a third party reseller, but you get the markup.
Anyways, your proposed change will never happen for two reasons:
1. Economy in EVE cannot be used as a weapon like that. It nerfs piracy indirectly even worse than it already is, it prevents PvP from being workable because even the "good guys" have low sec ratings, and overall chokes anyone who isn't a total carebear. If you haven't noticed, tweaks in EVE address the PvP aspect because PvP is the nature of EVE. Out of all the revisions, mining has been altered I think twice.
Without the ships being destroyed, demand drops. NPC rats just don't kill enough people to accomodate for the ships and items being produced. Economy plummets, and next thing you know you're playing FFXI in space. Prices drop drastically, then surge up, and you have depression. EVE would die.
2. Coding. It would require a total rework of the Market average pricing system, the warning system, and the ratings system, to make them work together. It's a coding nightmare and would cost more time and money that CCP would put into something that would please only about a fifth of the players, and even **** that fifth off when some corp turns it against them. It'd have to be polarized....tell me what you think of that when your ship gets killed by a player in 0.3 and because only low-sec corps sell ships in the area you have to do 15 jumps just to get a ship with a large enough hold to retrieve your jet can.
It won't happen. So it's not a problem. But it is, indeed, an idea that is special in the same way as some olympics are special.
Edit: Ship size in the second to last paragraph.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.08.03 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Korben Allahn on 03/08/2004 18:49:32
Originally by: Darth Revanant
The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
THe Market is still not the same as running your own personal store.
How about a better comparison. Escrow is more like Ebay, you're right. And the Market is like a vending machine at a gas station. If you're putting something for sale on Market, it's like selling your product to a vending machine owner. You can't tell the vendor who he's allowed to sell to and who he's not.
Again, if you want to run your own personal store, I suggest you use the appropriate channels. THat's why they're there. The market is designed to imitate the process of selling to a third party reseller, but you get the markup.
Anyways, your proposed change will never happen for two reasons:
1. Economy in EVE cannot be used as a weapon like that. It nerfs piracy indirectly even worse than it already is, it prevents PvP from being workable because even the "good guys" have low sec ratings, and overall chokes anyone who isn't a total carebear. If you haven't noticed, tweaks in EVE address the PvP aspect because PvP is the nature of EVE. Out of all the revisions, mining has been altered I think twice.
Without the ships being destroyed, demand drops. NPC rats just don't kill enough people to accomodate for the ships and items being produced. Economy plummets, and next thing you know you're playing FFXI in space. Prices drop drastically, then surge up, and you have depression. EVE would die.
2. Coding. It would require a total rework of the Market average pricing system, the warning system, and the ratings system, to make them work together. It's a coding nightmare and would cost more time and money that CCP would put into something that would please only about a fifth of the players, and even **** that fifth off when some corp turns it against them. It'd have to be polarized....tell me what you think of that when your ship gets killed by a player in 0.3 and because only low-sec corps sell ships in the area you have to do 15 jumps just to get a ship with a large enough hold to retrieve your jet can.
It won't happen. So it's not a problem. But it is, indeed, an idea that is special in the same way as some olympics are special.
Edit: Ship size in the second to last paragraph.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Koyote
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Posted - 2004.08.04 00:34:00 -
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Keep in mind if you could control that aspect of the market in turn you would only be screwin yourselves and other pilots. Think about how much of the market comes form "pirates" and their corps. Minerals, manufacturing products because we can get the minerals so on so forth from 00 space. They have a big part in the economy as well. If you were to limit from selling to such consumers, then we would be forced to keep OUR stuff from YOU. Kiss all that handy mega and zy goodbye for the most part then you would see more indy party ganking and what not becuase the care bears are trying to keep it in house. So i guees in the end we would have to work less for our value in minerals by takin them from you ( not I specifically)and you could not buy form the market cause guess what.. you couldnt get them out of 00 space and they are in our hangars and the "pirate market" instead of in yours.
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Socrates-
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Koyote
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Posted - 2004.08.04 00:34:00 -
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Keep in mind if you could control that aspect of the market in turn you would only be screwin yourselves and other pilots. Think about how much of the market comes form "pirates" and their corps. Minerals, manufacturing products because we can get the minerals so on so forth from 00 space. They have a big part in the economy as well. If you were to limit from selling to such consumers, then we would be forced to keep OUR stuff from YOU. Kiss all that handy mega and zy goodbye for the most part then you would see more indy party ganking and what not becuase the care bears are trying to keep it in house. So i guees in the end we would have to work less for our value in minerals by takin them from you ( not I specifically)and you could not buy form the market cause guess what.. you couldnt get them out of 00 space and they are in our hangars and the "pirate market" instead of in yours.
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Socrates-
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