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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:32:00 -
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I think it would be cool if you could choose in your info or something that if someone has a negative rating, or is part of a corp that you have a negative rating towards, then you can choose the option not to sell to them. I guess it may make the market system difficult, but i don't know much about programing or anything. It would be simple i think. Just have one of those nifty auto reply's that anoy us, saying something like, The seller sees you as a threat blah blah blah, you get mad, bang the desk, then try and buy from someone else. This would enable people to not sell to pirates or competing corps if they didn't want to. It would also creat more of a fluctuation in the market. As the demand would go up for some people's goods that sold to pirates, therefore their price would go up. But the other people could sell at a better price, and more people would buy from them. So it's give or take. And you can choose to say bugger off to a bloody pirate.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:32:00 -
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I think it would be cool if you could choose in your info or something that if someone has a negative rating, or is part of a corp that you have a negative rating towards, then you can choose the option not to sell to them. I guess it may make the market system difficult, but i don't know much about programing or anything. It would be simple i think. Just have one of those nifty auto reply's that anoy us, saying something like, The seller sees you as a threat blah blah blah, you get mad, bang the desk, then try and buy from someone else. This would enable people to not sell to pirates or competing corps if they didn't want to. It would also creat more of a fluctuation in the market. As the demand would go up for some people's goods that sold to pirates, therefore their price would go up. But the other people could sell at a better price, and more people would buy from them. So it's give or take. And you can choose to say bugger off to a bloody pirate.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
 Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
Doesn'this constitute a flame? I got my warning e-mails before, so i'm sure you will be getting yours soon.
Ok, now to the players that actually have an active role in the EVE market, think about how you could not sell to Ore thiefs and the like. And yes, there are alts, but that fubers up a lot of the aspects of the game as it is. So it's not like having people exploit alts for something else is any different.
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Its very, very stupid.
And there are alts.
But mainly this is just really, really stupid.
Doesn'this constitute a flame? I got my warning e-mails before, so i'm sure you will be getting yours soon.
Ok, now to the players that actually have an active role in the EVE market, think about how you could not sell to Ore thiefs and the like. And yes, there are alts, but that fubers up a lot of the aspects of the game as it is. So it's not like having people exploit alts for something else is any different.
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Gift
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:59:00 -
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eh, intresting idea but dont think it could ever work cuz of alts like "whats her name" said. Wouldnt call it stupid though.
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Gift
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Posted - 2004.07.29 19:59:00 -
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eh, intresting idea but dont think it could ever work cuz of alts like "whats her name" said. Wouldnt call it stupid though.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:00:00 -
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It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:00:00 -
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It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:17:00 -
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A sale blacklist would be better. Instead of security status you could say, Don't sell to anyone on the same account of this person, or Don't sell to anyone who has a character in guild X on their account. Similar to the way they implemented housing bans on Ultima Online back in the day. The housing bans worked by account so any character on the account of the character you banned couldn't enter the house.
It would address the 'alt' problem to some degree. But the determined people who buy multiple accounts can still get past it. But that means more money for CCP anyways, which means more development funding for Eve, which is better for everyone in the long run.
And FYI, economic warfare is just as normal as regular warfare. Just ask all those countries that have sanctions placed on them. 
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:17:00 -
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A sale blacklist would be better. Instead of security status you could say, Don't sell to anyone on the same account of this person, or Don't sell to anyone who has a character in guild X on their account. Similar to the way they implemented housing bans on Ultima Online back in the day. The housing bans worked by account so any character on the account of the character you banned couldn't enter the house.
It would address the 'alt' problem to some degree. But the determined people who buy multiple accounts can still get past it. But that means more money for CCP anyways, which means more development funding for Eve, which is better for everyone in the long run.
And FYI, economic warfare is just as normal as regular warfare. Just ask all those countries that have sanctions placed on them.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:13:00 -
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Some one not agreeing with your opinion constitutes a flame? thats a new one.
.....but onto the point the blackmarket idea is proberly good but TBH how many sellers realy care who buys there stuff? unless its some of those rarer items ie covert cloaks ect?
IF its an item like the above mentioned then it proberly could come in usefull because its a potentialy powerfull weapon to poccess against your enermy but on more standard items take a large ion blaster 1 who cares who buys it you get the cash and the item is th commem they will get it anyway so why not let them give you there money?
my 0.2isk worth
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:13:00 -
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Some one not agreeing with your opinion constitutes a flame? thats a new one.
.....but onto the point the blackmarket idea is proberly good but TBH how many sellers realy care who buys there stuff? unless its some of those rarer items ie covert cloaks ect?
IF its an item like the above mentioned then it proberly could come in usefull because its a potentialy powerfull weapon to poccess against your enermy but on more standard items take a large ion blaster 1 who cares who buys it you get the cash and the item is th commem they will get it anyway so why not let them give you there money?
my 0.2isk worth
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:30:00 -
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To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold 
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:30:00 -
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To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:52:00 -
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THAT MUS BE ONE 0F T3H STUPIDESTEST IDEAS EVAH!
(and, no, i don't need to buy stuff from anyone else than my friends)
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:52:00 -
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THAT MUS BE ONE 0F T3H STUPIDESTEST IDEAS EVAH!
(and, no, i don't need to buy stuff from anyone else than my friends)
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Heh, just like this man said, In the legitimate business world "Money talks and bull**** walks". 
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Heh, just like this man said, In the legitimate business world "Money talks and bull**** walks".
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.29 23:09:00 -
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Although the basic idear is good i have a corp member that after being in a BS battle with a Charector turned around and sold him a new BS
i think most peoble could not care less who buys the items now if there was unike items in the game that only certain corps made then yes it would be a way to make economical sanctions but as it is now it would not make much deference
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.07.29 23:09:00 -
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Although the basic idear is good i have a corp member that after being in a BS battle with a Charector turned around and sold him a new BS
i think most peoble could not care less who buys the items now if there was unike items in the game that only certain corps made then yes it would be a way to make economical sanctions but as it is now it would not make much deference
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:31:00 -
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Ok, lets think this through, assuming it got implimented:
'Yay!' say the carebears. 'we dont have to sell to pirates, and can inflict economic hardship upon them!'
Economic factors push up the price pirates pay for bships. Pirates with 2nd accounts are unnaffected, although they cant buy them with alts. Resellers that just profit by buying bships at normal market value and reselling at 'pirate value' pop up.
The increased price for pirates forces some out of the already less than profitable profession. Less pirates means less ships lost on both sides of the fence. the carebear ship price drops as less replacements are needed.
Carebears start to get upset they cant get the same markup from their bses, they start to get upset that resellers profit from the situation. They whine on forums, CCP nerfs the game and takes the markets out entirely. People leave EVE in droves, EVE shuts down.
Ok well I kinda got carried away at the end, but it would simply make the market impossible to balance and is utterly pointless imho.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:31:00 -
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Ok, lets think this through, assuming it got implimented:
'Yay!' say the carebears. 'we dont have to sell to pirates, and can inflict economic hardship upon them!'
Economic factors push up the price pirates pay for bships. Pirates with 2nd accounts are unnaffected, although they cant buy them with alts. Resellers that just profit by buying bships at normal market value and reselling at 'pirate value' pop up.
The increased price for pirates forces some out of the already less than profitable profession. Less pirates means less ships lost on both sides of the fence. the carebear ship price drops as less replacements are needed.
Carebears start to get upset they cant get the same markup from their bses, they start to get upset that resellers profit from the situation. They whine on forums, CCP nerfs the game and takes the markets out entirely. People leave EVE in droves, EVE shuts down.
Ok well I kinda got carried away at the end, but it would simply make the market impossible to balance and is utterly pointless imho.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:37:00 -
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Quote:
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Yep. ISK=ISK
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:37:00 -
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Quote:
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
Yep. ISK=ISK
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:39:00 -
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Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all).
Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character.
Other uses of standings in this way would be to:
- offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0
- refuse to sell if its -5 or lower.
People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination 
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:39:00 -
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Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all).
Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character.
Other uses of standings in this way would be to:
- offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0
- refuse to sell if its -5 or lower.
People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:13:00 -
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 Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
We are cursed men
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:13:00 -
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Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
We are cursed men
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Killash Larz
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51
Originally by: Baconjoe
Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
Me too
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Killash Larz
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Posted - 2004.07.30 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51
Originally by: Baconjoe
Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
Me too
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.30 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Killash Larz
Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51
Originally by: Baconjoe
Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
Me too
Me too
me too
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PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.30 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Killash Larz
Edited by: Killash Larz on 30/07/2004 11:25:51
Originally by: Baconjoe
Im sorry but I think its a stupid idea too
Me too
Me too
me too
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2004.07.30 15:53:00 -
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Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far. Perhaps if you are at war with the corporation, all sales to them are prevented from being processed. This would actually add an extra dimension to the War, bringing embargoes, blockades and sanctions into play.
Just interested, this is a discussion forum, why do people feel the need to discuss nothing?
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2004.07.30 15:53:00 -
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Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far. Perhaps if you are at war with the corporation, all sales to them are prevented from being processed. This would actually add an extra dimension to the War, bringing embargoes, blockades and sanctions into play.
Just interested, this is a discussion forum, why do people feel the need to discuss nothing?
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.30 16:04:00 -
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I think it's a nice idea, just not nice enough to have dev's spend their precious time on it. The rp perspective is certainly sound, but I don't feel it would really add to the game, only cause more complication.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.30 16:04:00 -
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I think it's a nice idea, just not nice enough to have dev's spend their precious time on it. The rp perspective is certainly sound, but I don't feel it would really add to the game, only cause more complication.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.07.30 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all).
Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character.
Other uses of standings in this way would be to:
- offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0
- refuse to sell if its -5 or lower.
People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination
I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care?
It works fine for everyone. Pirates can't honestly think that there aren't enough people just in it for the isk that will always supply whatever to whoever. That's what being Gallente and Caldari is!! (don't flame please, just a joke)
And RP'ers should be able to do this because do you think the US would sell their extremely hard to come by nuclear weapons to terrorist groups? Or that Russians would sell weapons to the Chechnyans? Or even water?
But, there will always be organizations that will. So what's the problem?
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.07.30 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Actually since this game is a Role Playing game, it makes perfect sense to be able to limit who you sell too. Thats exactly what the Standsing System is for, even though it isn't used in this fashion (or hardly at all).
Take for example the RP stance PIE has taken on selling their Amarrian Interceptors. They won't sell to Minmatars, and they include a slave with every ship. Very RP. Of course it doesn't stop an alt/second account of a Minnie from buying one from PIE but thats entirely besides the point as techincall the alt/second account is not the same "person" as the Minmatar character.
Other uses of standings in this way would be to:
- offer discounts if your personal standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- offer discounts if your corp standing with <Corp A> was higher than X
- and the reverse: increase prices by 2% if personal/corp standing was lower than 0
- refuse to sell if its -5 or lower.
People who call the idea of adding standings to the market a dumb idea just have no imagination
I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care?
It works fine for everyone. Pirates can't honestly think that there aren't enough people just in it for the isk that will always supply whatever to whoever. That's what being Gallente and Caldari is!! (don't flame please, just a joke)
And RP'ers should be able to do this because do you think the US would sell their extremely hard to come by nuclear weapons to terrorist groups? Or that Russians would sell weapons to the Chechnyans? Or even water?
But, there will always be organizations that will. So what's the problem?
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.30 22:02:00 -
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Actually it would add another dimension to the game.
The only trouble in implementing it is that the lowest price at a dock masks other similar products.
To be fair all prices at the station would then have to be available if the person buying was flagged as embargo'd.
I see this idea having a bit more usefulness in Shiva if whole alliances could embargo other alliances etc...
On another note a trade allaince could be formed to declare war or otherwise seek to punish corps that sold to embargo'd allainces.
Could actually add an interesting facet to the world of eve. But to really pull it off there are many more tools required.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.30 22:02:00 -
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Actually it would add another dimension to the game.
The only trouble in implementing it is that the lowest price at a dock masks other similar products.
To be fair all prices at the station would then have to be available if the person buying was flagged as embargo'd.
I see this idea having a bit more usefulness in Shiva if whole alliances could embargo other alliances etc...
On another note a trade allaince could be formed to declare war or otherwise seek to punish corps that sold to embargo'd allainces.
Could actually add an interesting facet to the world of eve. But to really pull it off there are many more tools required.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care?
/me hands Darth Revanant the cookie 
Its entirely voluntary wether you choose to apply standings to your buy/sell orders, thats exactly the point. If all that matters to you is ISK (probably Caldari character!) then go ahead and buy or sell from or too anyone. It doesn't change your game in the slightest.
What it does allow is people who actually play this game to Roleplay to expand upon the possible ways they can roleplay. That should be encouraged as much as possible. Without roleplay of some sort Eve is nothing more than a slow paced FPS.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I think mahhy's got the idea perfectly. RP'ers can add another dimension to their RP'ing. And non-RP'ers and pirates won't be affected in the least because to be honest, what do you think there are more of, RP'ers who want to limit their sales, or people like the dozen or so above who think isk is isk and don't care?
/me hands Darth Revanant the cookie
Its entirely voluntary wether you choose to apply standings to your buy/sell orders, thats exactly the point. If all that matters to you is ISK (probably Caldari character!) then go ahead and buy or sell from or too anyone. It doesn't change your game in the slightest.
What it does allow is people who actually play this game to Roleplay to expand upon the possible ways they can roleplay. That should be encouraged as much as possible. Without roleplay of some sort Eve is nothing more than a slow paced FPS.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far.
I never read the original poster to mean "blanket ban". Unless you're blind and never looked at standings before, you've probably noticed that you can set your own standings towards any character, corporation, or government etc.
You could literally do things like:
- anyone under -5.0, no sales
- anyone over +5.0 sec status 5% discount
- anyone over +5.9 personal standing with "Amarr", 10% discount
- anyone with +3.5 personal or corp standing with Minmatar, 15% increase in price.
- corp at war: no sales at all of course
- alliance at war: no sales (alliance members could probably see some HUGE benefits to this if they thought about it! A valid market in DSS-EZ, but no CA member can buy?)
The possibilities are endless.
Useful and meanful implemntation of *standings* is one of the largest barriers I see to making this game into a real RPG.
And I'm not a roleplayer.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Well, an interesting idea. I think a blanket ban on certain sec status chars is maybe going too far.
I never read the original poster to mean "blanket ban". Unless you're blind and never looked at standings before, you've probably noticed that you can set your own standings towards any character, corporation, or government etc.
You could literally do things like:
- anyone under -5.0, no sales
- anyone over +5.0 sec status 5% discount
- anyone over +5.9 personal standing with "Amarr", 10% discount
- anyone with +3.5 personal or corp standing with Minmatar, 15% increase in price.
- corp at war: no sales at all of course
- alliance at war: no sales (alliance members could probably see some HUGE benefits to this if they thought about it! A valid market in DSS-EZ, but no CA member can buy?)
The possibilities are endless.
Useful and meanful implemntation of *standings* is one of the largest barriers I see to making this game into a real RPG.
And I'm not a roleplayer.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:50:00 -
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I like selling pirates their stuff back. Kind of a double hit.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:50:00 -
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I like selling pirates their stuff back. Kind of a double hit.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
foster
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:03:00 -
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not really a good idea
we produce all sorts of tech 1 stuff. and i'll sell to any body who wants to buy from me. it's isk at the end of the day.
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foster
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:03:00 -
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not really a good idea
we produce all sorts of tech 1 stuff. and i'll sell to any body who wants to buy from me. it's isk at the end of the day.
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Mang0o
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Posted - 2004.08.01 03:00:00 -
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yes RollinDutchMasters very very stupid :) and its alts and its just you who is loseing isk on it? ..
No you just canŠt a-have-a the Mang0o |
Mang0o
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Posted - 2004.08.01 03:00:00 -
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yes RollinDutchMasters very very stupid :) and its alts and its just you who is loseing isk on it? ..
No you just canŠt a-have-a the Mang0o |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:41:00 -
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If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.01 16:41:00 -
[54]
If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers.
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Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.08.01 18:54:00 -
[55]
If this was true i want to be able to kick out ppl from thier ships when they are down at hull and capture the ship
Its as likly as this change will be implented
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.08.01 18:54:00 -
[56]
If this was true i want to be able to kick out ppl from thier ships when they are down at hull and capture the ship
Its as likly as this change will be implented
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:17:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers.
"Uppity peddlers". Heh! I like that! 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.02 10:17:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
If I discovered a corporation that refused to sell to me because of my security rating, I'd do my best to dismantle it as an example to other uppity peddlers.
"Uppity peddlers". Heh! I like that!
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Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.08.02 18:42:00 -
[59]
The Market is the EVE equivalent to 21st century E-Bay.
You can't select your customer in either one.
If you want to be selective about to whom you sell, I'd suggest the appropriate channels.
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Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.08.02 18:42:00 -
[60]
The Market is the EVE equivalent to 21st century E-Bay.
You can't select your customer in either one.
If you want to be selective about to whom you sell, I'd suggest the appropriate channels.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.02 20:17:00 -
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The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.02 20:17:00 -
[62]
The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Well so when in RL is not economy wrong to use as a weapon?
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
It is very stupid because it is a weapon. An economic weapon, but a weapon none the less. An ineffective weapon, but a weapon none the less. And it is a weapon that can be used anywhere, including .5+
If you get a weapon that can be freely used in .5+, I want one too. I'll settle for sniper turrets that CONCORD and guns cant detect, and covert warp scrambling that doesnt trip any sensors.
Well so when in RL is not economy wrong to use as a weapon?
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.08.03 13:56:00 -
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there could be, once alliances come out something like a percent discount to allies maybe, or corp mates? i think that economy should be used and that is you want to give discounts to groups (this could be part of alliance payments or tolls) or if you wanted to black list people you should be able too.
This should be posted in the idea lab Krakizbad :)
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.08.03 13:56:00 -
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there could be, once alliances come out something like a percent discount to allies maybe, or corp mates? i think that economy should be used and that is you want to give discounts to groups (this could be part of alliance payments or tolls) or if you wanted to black list people you should be able too.
This should be posted in the idea lab Krakizbad :)
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MuttleyMk2
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:26:00 -
[67]
Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
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MuttleyMk2
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Posted - 2004.08.03 16:26:00 -
[68]
Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: MuttleyMk2
Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
Which they can still do, we're not talking about making everyone use standings for their market transactions. We're just saying that if you want to specify people or organizations to sell to or not, then you can. If you don't care, fine. Your orders are open to everyone. I'm sure most sellers (especially people whose primary function is as a trader) will not do it at all. Which is just fine, and even realistic.
On the other hand, those dedicated sellers might just have a market rivalry going on with someone or some corp. In that case they may want to prevent that person from buying up all their items and reselling at a markup. I don't know. I'm not all that concerned about the intricacies of the market. It's an idea of how this feature may be usefull though.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: MuttleyMk2
Nah im a capitalist
You got ythe money i'll sell to you simple as that.
I get what your trying to do and that is "Ethical trade" but i think too many people are like me and dont give a damn who they sell to as long as they make a fair profit from the transaction.
Which they can still do, we're not talking about making everyone use standings for their market transactions. We're just saying that if you want to specify people or organizations to sell to or not, then you can. If you don't care, fine. Your orders are open to everyone. I'm sure most sellers (especially people whose primary function is as a trader) will not do it at all. Which is just fine, and even realistic.
On the other hand, those dedicated sellers might just have a market rivalry going on with someone or some corp. In that case they may want to prevent that person from buying up all their items and reselling at a markup. I don't know. I'm not all that concerned about the intricacies of the market. It's an idea of how this feature may be usefull though.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
exactly...capitalism at it's finest.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.08.03 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
To be honest with you guys.
I really dont care who I sell it to I just want it sold
exactly...capitalism at it's finest.
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Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.08.03 18:46:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Korben Allahn on 03/08/2004 18:49:32
Originally by: Darth Revanant
The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
THe Market is still not the same as running your own personal store.
How about a better comparison. Escrow is more like Ebay, you're right. And the Market is like a vending machine at a gas station. If you're putting something for sale on Market, it's like selling your product to a vending machine owner. You can't tell the vendor who he's allowed to sell to and who he's not.
Again, if you want to run your own personal store, I suggest you use the appropriate channels. THat's why they're there. The market is designed to imitate the process of selling to a third party reseller, but you get the markup.
Anyways, your proposed change will never happen for two reasons:
1. Economy in EVE cannot be used as a weapon like that. It nerfs piracy indirectly even worse than it already is, it prevents PvP from being workable because even the "good guys" have low sec ratings, and overall chokes anyone who isn't a total carebear. If you haven't noticed, tweaks in EVE address the PvP aspect because PvP is the nature of EVE. Out of all the revisions, mining has been altered I think twice.
Without the ships being destroyed, demand drops. NPC rats just don't kill enough people to accomodate for the ships and items being produced. Economy plummets, and next thing you know you're playing FFXI in space. Prices drop drastically, then surge up, and you have depression. EVE would die.
2. Coding. It would require a total rework of the Market average pricing system, the warning system, and the ratings system, to make them work together. It's a coding nightmare and would cost more time and money that CCP would put into something that would please only about a fifth of the players, and even **** that fifth off when some corp turns it against them. It'd have to be polarized....tell me what you think of that when your ship gets killed by a player in 0.3 and because only low-sec corps sell ships in the area you have to do 15 jumps just to get a ship with a large enough hold to retrieve your jet can.
It won't happen. So it's not a problem. But it is, indeed, an idea that is special in the same way as some olympics are special.
Edit: Ship size in the second to last paragraph.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Korben Allahn
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Posted - 2004.08.03 18:46:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Korben Allahn on 03/08/2004 18:49:32
Originally by: Darth Revanant
The EVE market is not like Ebay. Escrow is more like Ebay. More or less impersonal and somewhat risky. IRL if someone you don't like and is a known criminal who has robbed you or shot you in the past walks into your store, you're going to sell to him? I think not.
THe Market is still not the same as running your own personal store.
How about a better comparison. Escrow is more like Ebay, you're right. And the Market is like a vending machine at a gas station. If you're putting something for sale on Market, it's like selling your product to a vending machine owner. You can't tell the vendor who he's allowed to sell to and who he's not.
Again, if you want to run your own personal store, I suggest you use the appropriate channels. THat's why they're there. The market is designed to imitate the process of selling to a third party reseller, but you get the markup.
Anyways, your proposed change will never happen for two reasons:
1. Economy in EVE cannot be used as a weapon like that. It nerfs piracy indirectly even worse than it already is, it prevents PvP from being workable because even the "good guys" have low sec ratings, and overall chokes anyone who isn't a total carebear. If you haven't noticed, tweaks in EVE address the PvP aspect because PvP is the nature of EVE. Out of all the revisions, mining has been altered I think twice.
Without the ships being destroyed, demand drops. NPC rats just don't kill enough people to accomodate for the ships and items being produced. Economy plummets, and next thing you know you're playing FFXI in space. Prices drop drastically, then surge up, and you have depression. EVE would die.
2. Coding. It would require a total rework of the Market average pricing system, the warning system, and the ratings system, to make them work together. It's a coding nightmare and would cost more time and money that CCP would put into something that would please only about a fifth of the players, and even **** that fifth off when some corp turns it against them. It'd have to be polarized....tell me what you think of that when your ship gets killed by a player in 0.3 and because only low-sec corps sell ships in the area you have to do 15 jumps just to get a ship with a large enough hold to retrieve your jet can.
It won't happen. So it's not a problem. But it is, indeed, an idea that is special in the same way as some olympics are special.
Edit: Ship size in the second to last paragraph.
I keep a teddy bear in my pod with me. A teddy bear with sharp teeth, massive claws, and a pinache for eating the flesh of podded corpses. I call him "Fuzzy". |
Koyote
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Posted - 2004.08.04 00:34:00 -
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Keep in mind if you could control that aspect of the market in turn you would only be screwin yourselves and other pilots. Think about how much of the market comes form "pirates" and their corps. Minerals, manufacturing products because we can get the minerals so on so forth from 00 space. They have a big part in the economy as well. If you were to limit from selling to such consumers, then we would be forced to keep OUR stuff from YOU. Kiss all that handy mega and zy goodbye for the most part then you would see more indy party ganking and what not becuase the care bears are trying to keep it in house. So i guees in the end we would have to work less for our value in minerals by takin them from you ( not I specifically)and you could not buy form the market cause guess what.. you couldnt get them out of 00 space and they are in our hangars and the "pirate market" instead of in yours.
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Socrates-
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Koyote
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Posted - 2004.08.04 00:34:00 -
[76]
Keep in mind if you could control that aspect of the market in turn you would only be screwin yourselves and other pilots. Think about how much of the market comes form "pirates" and their corps. Minerals, manufacturing products because we can get the minerals so on so forth from 00 space. They have a big part in the economy as well. If you were to limit from selling to such consumers, then we would be forced to keep OUR stuff from YOU. Kiss all that handy mega and zy goodbye for the most part then you would see more indy party ganking and what not becuase the care bears are trying to keep it in house. So i guees in the end we would have to work less for our value in minerals by takin them from you ( not I specifically)and you could not buy form the market cause guess what.. you couldnt get them out of 00 space and they are in our hangars and the "pirate market" instead of in yours.
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Socrates-
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