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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley
lmfao.. I dunno why.. but that's funny.
----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |

Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley
lmfao.. I dunno why.. but that's funny.
----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:04:00 -
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Quote: As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:04:00 -
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Quote: As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
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Jade Alexander
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote: As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
Hahaha!
I most have woken up the whole neighbourhood with my laughter!  ________________________________
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Jade Alexander
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote: As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
Hahaha!
I most have woken up the whole neighbourhood with my laughter!  ________________________________
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:22:00 -
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This is a hard one. I don't think its as simple as many of you are making it out to be.
Children ARE influenced by computer games/films/tv. when i was younger i spent all my time imitating action films and pretending to kill people etc. Obviously i am of a sound state of mind and would never do this to a real person, but it only takes someone to be slightly unbalanced who could be pushed over the edge by a bully or argument with a friend to pick up a weapon and make like a killer.
Also i think blaming a computer game is different to blaming music. Music you listen to, games you play. in a computer game, it is YOU doing the violence. In Manhunt YOU decide how to kill people.
Can no-one see how a child who has been brought up playing violent video games where cutting grannies up with a chainsaw (GTA: Vice City) is a daily event and hammering some-one to death (ManHunt) is fine, could see doing so to a real person as not much different?
I don't really know if ManHunt should be banned. GTA: Vice City isn't, and its pretty similar in its violence content. And if you start banning violent games, who knows where it could stop?
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:22:00 -
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This is a hard one. I don't think its as simple as many of you are making it out to be.
Children ARE influenced by computer games/films/tv. when i was younger i spent all my time imitating action films and pretending to kill people etc. Obviously i am of a sound state of mind and would never do this to a real person, but it only takes someone to be slightly unbalanced who could be pushed over the edge by a bully or argument with a friend to pick up a weapon and make like a killer.
Also i think blaming a computer game is different to blaming music. Music you listen to, games you play. in a computer game, it is YOU doing the violence. In Manhunt YOU decide how to kill people.
Can no-one see how a child who has been brought up playing violent video games where cutting grannies up with a chainsaw (GTA: Vice City) is a daily event and hammering some-one to death (ManHunt) is fine, could see doing so to a real person as not much different?
I don't really know if ManHunt should be banned. GTA: Vice City isn't, and its pretty similar in its violence content. And if you start banning violent games, who knows where it could stop?
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:37:00 -
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It wouldn't stop. It would keep going and going and going. No more good music unless it praises god and happy happy tree huggers. No more eve, unless you fly around and shoot people with laser beams of love.
No more tv shows unless it's the smurfs.. oh wait.. even that's violent. One mans desire to perform genocide on a peaceful little village of blue creatures.
Violence has been in society since man first picked up a club. It's not gonna leave and it's present in EVERYTHING. From literature to cartoons to music to games. Even the bible is slam full of violence.
See, this is why humanity is doomed. Our inability to coexist with our fellow man. But that's another topic heh.
Anyway.. that's what I'm scared of. Where would people draw the line? For the americans here, remember the super bowl?
Need I say more?
----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |

Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:37:00 -
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It wouldn't stop. It would keep going and going and going. No more good music unless it praises god and happy happy tree huggers. No more eve, unless you fly around and shoot people with laser beams of love.
No more tv shows unless it's the smurfs.. oh wait.. even that's violent. One mans desire to perform genocide on a peaceful little village of blue creatures.
Violence has been in society since man first picked up a club. It's not gonna leave and it's present in EVERYTHING. From literature to cartoons to music to games. Even the bible is slam full of violence.
See, this is why humanity is doomed. Our inability to coexist with our fellow man. But that's another topic heh.
Anyway.. that's what I'm scared of. Where would people draw the line? For the americans here, remember the super bowl?
Need I say more?
----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |

Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:20:00 -
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Well, a few years ago there was a similar case where two kids killed a third and it was all blamed on roleplaying in all newspapers, apprently they were playing pen and paper games. Later it was discovered that these kids had a serious empathy problem, they didn't have any, and their game didnt have anything to do with it. But that was never revealed in the newspapers except the local one.
Another good example is that recently there was a documentary here about if games could cause violence, and as an example they showed postal of all games. Of course people will be scared when they use those kind of games as examples, you'd have to have really bad taste to play a game like postal IMO.
I think that violent games might trigger already unstable people, but not more than a violent movie that they show at 2100 would.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:20:00 -
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Well, a few years ago there was a similar case where two kids killed a third and it was all blamed on roleplaying in all newspapers, apprently they were playing pen and paper games. Later it was discovered that these kids had a serious empathy problem, they didn't have any, and their game didnt have anything to do with it. But that was never revealed in the newspapers except the local one.
Another good example is that recently there was a documentary here about if games could cause violence, and as an example they showed postal of all games. Of course people will be scared when they use those kind of games as examples, you'd have to have really bad taste to play a game like postal IMO.
I think that violent games might trigger already unstable people, but not more than a violent movie that they show at 2100 would.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:35:00 -
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The thing is - and this is doubly so in America - parents will do everything in their power to deflect blame from their thoroughly inept child-rearing, and on to some industry or music brand or other convenient socially acceptable scapegoat. Guess what, soccer mom: If your kid bashes in another kid's head with a claw hammer, it's your goddamn fault and you should *snip*
That was a bit too much - Wrangler
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:35:00 -
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The thing is - and this is doubly so in America - parents will do everything in their power to deflect blame from their thoroughly inept child-rearing, and on to some industry or music brand or other convenient socially acceptable scapegoat. Guess what, soccer mom: If your kid bashes in another kid's head with a claw hammer, it's your goddamn fault and you should *snip*
That was a bit too much - Wrangler
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Nebulous
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Posted - 2004.07.31 07:27:00 -
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thx for posts everyone. here is another way of looking at it, if manhunt did cause this to happen then one person has died because of the game, yet alcohol causes hundreds of violent deaths in the UK every year, do i hear people calling for a ban of all alcohol?....no, are shops taking alcohol off there shelves?.... are they f**k. Also the differance between manhunt and alcohol is that alcohol as been PROVED to cause violent behavier, any one who reads this knows that alcohol can turn you into a violent person, its not debateable its a FACT.
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Nebulous
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Posted - 2004.07.31 07:27:00 -
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thx for posts everyone. here is another way of looking at it, if manhunt did cause this to happen then one person has died because of the game, yet alcohol causes hundreds of violent deaths in the UK every year, do i hear people calling for a ban of all alcohol?....no, are shops taking alcohol off there shelves?.... are they f**k. Also the differance between manhunt and alcohol is that alcohol as been PROVED to cause violent behavier, any one who reads this knows that alcohol can turn you into a violent person, its not debateable its a FACT.
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Blob on 31/07/2004 09:44:16 Hey, I played Postal, and I only killed 6 ppl with a shovel afterwards
I notice now that Manhunt has been pulled off the shelves by Dixons group and now Game.....
I'm off to d/l it from suprnova, and sell it to the kids at the local school
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Blob on 31/07/2004 09:44:16 Hey, I played Postal, and I only killed 6 ppl with a shovel afterwards
I notice now that Manhunt has been pulled off the shelves by Dixons group and now Game.....
I'm off to d/l it from suprnova, and sell it to the kids at the local school
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:59:00 -
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Well they whent a head and banned Manhunt in Norway now. So i guess by the goverments logic I should bee a lot safer walking down the streets now. ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day |

Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:59:00 -
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Well they whent a head and banned Manhunt in Norway now. So i guess by the goverments logic I should bee a lot safer walking down the streets now. ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day |

Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:12:00 -
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Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people 
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:12:00 -
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Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people 
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |

Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:32:00 -
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i tend to take my frustrations out on games, usually eve too, or killing lots of ****s in CoD
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:32:00 -
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i tend to take my frustrations out on games, usually eve too, or killing lots of ****s in CoD
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people 
Just look at the sales for GTA3 after all the media fuss about it  ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day |

Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people 
Just look at the sales for GTA3 after all the media fuss about it  ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day |

Plim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:24:00 -
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This is absurd. As if playing one computer game can over rule 17 years of socialisation?
Clearly if someone had been brought up under conditions that promote some authentic ethics they wouldn't murder thier best friend.
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:24:00 -
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This is absurd. As if playing one computer game can over rule 17 years of socialisation?
Clearly if someone had been brought up under conditions that promote some authentic ethics they wouldn't murder thier best friend.
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plim It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
That's the sad truth of the matter.
DonĘt you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donĘt know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.
It's ok for small children to watch a deranged man attempt genocide on a race of small blue creatures, the smurfs, but it's not ok for them to act out their aggression in a virtual world?
I find it sickening that people feel the need to point their fingers and lay blame to videogames when a deranged person commits a violent act.
I think I'll go bomb a dam and flood a few cities. Hey, God did it so I learned it from him!
Or how about I go fly a plane into a building. Hey I saw it on the news!
Oh wait, I know, I think I'll pack a bomb under my t-shirt and run into a bus station! Yeah, I see that on a daily basis.
Video games do not create murderers. True, people may get ideas off of them. But hey, I can list a 1,000 novels written over the last 200 years that contain graphic details of worse crimes.
And to make it even better, I can promise you that 90% of those novels can be checked out at your local library by anyone at anytime.
Ban those while you're at it.
Or, we could go about it the right way, and monitor what our children are doing. No, bad idea. That would require parents actually being involved in their childrenĘs lives. That would never work!
(Note: I do not intend to do any violent acts on my fellow man. It was only an example used to illustrate a point.)
I know I'm ranting, but this **** ****es me off man. Next thing you know I wont even be able to buy a ****o because it promotes prostitution and makes kids into ****s.
----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |

Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plim It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
That's the sad truth of the matter.
DonĘt you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donĘt know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.
It's ok for small children to watch a deranged man attempt genocide on a race of small blue creatures, the smurfs, but it's not ok for them to act out their aggression in a virtual world?
I find it sickening that people feel the need to point their fingers and lay blame to videogames when a deranged person commits a violent act.
I think I'll go bomb a dam and flood a few cities. Hey, God did it so I learned it from him!
Or how about I go fly a plane into a building. Hey I saw it on the news!
Oh wait, I know, I think I'll pack a bomb under my t-shirt and run into a bus station! Yeah, I see that on a daily basis.
Video games do not create murderers. True, people may get ideas off of them. But hey, I can list a 1,000 novels written over the last 200 years that contain graphic details of worse crimes.
And to make it even better, I can promise you that 90% of those novels can be checked out at your local library by anyone at anytime.
Ban those while you're at it.
Or, we could go about it the right way, and monitor what our children are doing. No, bad idea. That would require parents actually being involved in their childrenĘs lives. That would never work!
(Note: I do not intend to do any violent acts on my fellow man. It was only an example used to illustrate a point.)
I know I'm ranting, but this **** ****es me off man. Next thing you know I wont even be able to buy a ****o because it promotes prostitution and makes kids into ****s.
----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
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