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Nebulous
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Posted - 2004.07.30 06:22:00 -
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As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My own personel opinion is that linking games to real life violence is ridiculous and anyone that does copy violence from a game must be mentally ill in the first place.
What is worse? fictional violence or real life violence i.e. iraq war? where women and children are being murdered for oil and is shown on the television at peak time.
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Nebulous
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Posted - 2004.07.30 06:22:00 -
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As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My own personel opinion is that linking games to real life violence is ridiculous and anyone that does copy violence from a game must be mentally ill in the first place.
What is worse? fictional violence or real life violence i.e. iraq war? where women and children are being murdered for oil and is shown on the television at peak time.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.30 06:30:00 -
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There have been scientific studies which have shown that young children will duplicate scenes they have seen in videos/video games but, as you said, this guy is 17 yrs old.
I've always believed video games mirror life, not the other way around.
That kid was a "wrong 'un" and to blame Manhunt just detracts from the real problems in society.
Games are an easy option.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.30 06:30:00 -
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There have been scientific studies which have shown that young children will duplicate scenes they have seen in videos/video games but, as you said, this guy is 17 yrs old.
I've always believed video games mirror life, not the other way around.
That kid was a "wrong 'un" and to blame Manhunt just detracts from the real problems in society.
Games are an easy option.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kyle Kador
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Posted - 2004.07.30 06:53:00 -
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As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk 
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Kyle Kador
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Posted - 2004.07.30 06:53:00 -
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As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:05:00 -
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Its a load of crap.
If anyone is influenced by what they see in a game or a film to commit an act such as this, then they were prolly already deranged in the head and were going to do something anyway, sooner or later. Blaming a videogame is ridiculous.
I spent all my childhood playing violent games, watching violent films, and Ive trained kung fu for 22 years. According to the Daily Mail, with those criteria I should have gone on 34 killing sprees by now.
Murders and rapes etc, will happen in a large, apathetic, increasingly more intolerant and aggressive society. Murders like this are societies responsibility, not a game, a film or an album. You cannot be influenced to commit a violent act by playing a videogame if you are of sound mind, its not possible.
The kid was gonna pop sooner or later, whether he'd seen the game or not. Society failed, not the videogame producer.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:05:00 -
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Its a load of crap.
If anyone is influenced by what they see in a game or a film to commit an act such as this, then they were prolly already deranged in the head and were going to do something anyway, sooner or later. Blaming a videogame is ridiculous.
I spent all my childhood playing violent games, watching violent films, and Ive trained kung fu for 22 years. According to the Daily Mail, with those criteria I should have gone on 34 killing sprees by now.
Murders and rapes etc, will happen in a large, apathetic, increasingly more intolerant and aggressive society. Murders like this are societies responsibility, not a game, a film or an album. You cannot be influenced to commit a violent act by playing a videogame if you are of sound mind, its not possible.
The kid was gonna pop sooner or later, whether he'd seen the game or not. Society failed, not the videogame producer.
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Crucius Sanctus
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:12:00 -
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If a 17 year old is disturbed enough to imitate a videogame and murder his best friend, the problem is with the deep mental problems the teenager already possesses, not the videogame. It's true, the game maybe gave him an idea, but it was his own demented mind that allowed him to do it.
This has gone on for years. Everytime someone does something horrible for no apparent reason, people scramble to explain it. Today it's Manhunt, yesterday it was GTA, before that Mortal Kombat, before that Doom, before that Dungeons and Dragons, before that Communism. So what if these things really did give them ideas? It's the person who fires the gun, not the gun, who is guilty of murder.
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Crucius Sanctus
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:12:00 -
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If a 17 year old is disturbed enough to imitate a videogame and murder his best friend, the problem is with the deep mental problems the teenager already possesses, not the videogame. It's true, the game maybe gave him an idea, but it was his own demented mind that allowed him to do it.
This has gone on for years. Everytime someone does something horrible for no apparent reason, people scramble to explain it. Today it's Manhunt, yesterday it was GTA, before that Mortal Kombat, before that Doom, before that Dungeons and Dragons, before that Communism. So what if these things really did give them ideas? It's the person who fires the gun, not the gun, who is guilty of murder.
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Trigo
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:49:00 -
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well i think blaming game is wrong as its a 18 rated game and he is only 17, so its more his parnets(sp?) to be blamed or the shop that sold him that game.
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Trigo
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Posted - 2004.07.30 07:49:00 -
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well i think blaming game is wrong as its a 18 rated game and he is only 17, so its more his parnets(sp?) to be blamed or the shop that sold him that game.
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2004.07.30 13:24:00 -
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Crap like this shows just how backward joe public are.They are afraid of technology because they can't control it, so they just blame it for their own problems.
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2004.07.30 13:24:00 -
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Crap like this shows just how backward joe public are.They are afraid of technology because they can't control it, so they just blame it for their own problems.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.07.30 13:29:00 -
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I'd have to object on this being his best friend, known associate perhaps.
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.07.30 13:29:00 -
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I'd have to object on this being his best friend, known associate perhaps.
Convert Stations
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Kreeper
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Posted - 2004.07.30 19:15:00 -
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TBH i take Eve personally. i get ****d when i lost my ship or lose implanst but i will be damnd i find the person in Rl and do something.FFS this a game.
Still im in shock this has happened to the video game industry. I have playd Manhunt, yes it is really violent but still a kick ass game. But i would never kill anyone or kill anyone over a damn game.
 YAR!
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Kreeper
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Posted - 2004.07.30 19:15:00 -
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TBH i take Eve personally. i get ****d when i lost my ship or lose implanst but i will be damnd i find the person in Rl and do something.FFS this a game.
Still im in shock this has happened to the video game industry. I have playd Manhunt, yes it is really violent but still a kick ass game. But i would never kill anyone or kill anyone over a damn game.
YAR!
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Calling Christos Hendez come back to EvE
Smother another Failur
Lay this to rest...
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.07.30 19:55:00 -
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What are you talking about?
Us in m0o cant wait for the Fan Fest, ganking will continue only now in real life. Just you wait.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.07.30 19:55:00 -
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What are you talking about?
Us in m0o cant wait for the Fan Fest, ganking will continue only now in real life. Just you wait.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 20:29:00 -
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Yeah.. just like columbine was rammstiens fault.
Just like every violent act is blammed on something that can't defend itself.
People expect some justification for the ****** up **** that happens.
I've played violent videogames, read violent books/comics, watched violent tv shows etc etc since I was in diapers.
"I saw it on tv" or "I saw it in a movie" yeah.. I saw a terrorist blow up innocent people on tv.
So now it's ok if I go do it, because I can blame it on CNN! WOO! yay for entertainment!
You can make any arguement for or against violence in entertainment. But the bottom line is that it's society's fault as a whole.
I bet no one bothered to ask that kid how he was doing. I bet no one even gave a **** when he showed signs of violence before hand. THey just ignored it and went about their day. "Not my problem" they say to themselves. or "it's just a phase" "boys will be boys" etc etc.
Yeah, it's manhunts fault this innocent, loving, caring child grabbed a hammer and smashed his friends skull in. What else could it be!? 
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 20:29:00 -
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Yeah.. just like columbine was rammstiens fault.
Just like every violent act is blammed on something that can't defend itself.
People expect some justification for the ****** up **** that happens.
I've played violent videogames, read violent books/comics, watched violent tv shows etc etc since I was in diapers.
"I saw it on tv" or "I saw it in a movie" yeah.. I saw a terrorist blow up innocent people on tv.
So now it's ok if I go do it, because I can blame it on CNN! WOO! yay for entertainment!
You can make any arguement for or against violence in entertainment. But the bottom line is that it's society's fault as a whole.
I bet no one bothered to ask that kid how he was doing. I bet no one even gave a **** when he showed signs of violence before hand. THey just ignored it and went about their day. "Not my problem" they say to themselves. or "it's just a phase" "boys will be boys" etc etc.
Yeah, it's manhunts fault this innocent, loving, caring child grabbed a hammer and smashed his friends skull in. What else could it be!?
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:10:00 -
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Someone, of any decent age, who see's an act as violent as killing someone and copies is isn't right in the head to begin with...
Then comes the blame game, everyone needs someone to blame when the **** comes down...
Now the parents of the victim can't blame the parents of the 17 year old for letting him see it 'cos even though it's mostly THEIR fault (By raising him wrong AND letting him play the game that SUPPOSEDLY led him to the act) they don't have nearly as much money as Rockstar Studio's...
So human nature demands they ignore the truth of it that their neighbours raised a Psycho and their son is dead because of it...
Very harsh, but true 
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Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:10:00 -
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Someone, of any decent age, who see's an act as violent as killing someone and copies is isn't right in the head to begin with...
Then comes the blame game, everyone needs someone to blame when the **** comes down...
Now the parents of the victim can't blame the parents of the 17 year old for letting him see it 'cos even though it's mostly THEIR fault (By raising him wrong AND letting him play the game that SUPPOSEDLY led him to the act) they don't have nearly as much money as Rockstar Studio's...
So human nature demands they ignore the truth of it that their neighbours raised a Psycho and their son is dead because of it...
Very harsh, but true
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:15:00 -
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Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:15:00 -
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Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:33:00 -
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All I have to say is.. Meat sicle, yellow execution.
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Feaux Tomai
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:33:00 -
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All I have to say is.. Meat sicle, yellow execution.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:51:00 -
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I've always wanted to pod that next door neighbour....
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:51:00 -
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I've always wanted to pod that next door neighbour....
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley
lmfao.. I dunno why.. but that's funny.
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley
lmfao.. I dunno why.. but that's funny.
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:04:00 -
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Quote:
As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:04:00 -
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Quote:
As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
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Jade Alexander
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote:
As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
Hahaha!
I most have woken up the whole neighbourhood with my laughter! 
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Jade Alexander
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote:
As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.
Hahaha!
I most have woken up the whole neighbourhood with my laughter!
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:22:00 -
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This is a hard one. I don't think its as simple as many of you are making it out to be.
Children ARE influenced by computer games/films/tv. when i was younger i spent all my time imitating action films and pretending to kill people etc. Obviously i am of a sound state of mind and would never do this to a real person, but it only takes someone to be slightly unbalanced who could be pushed over the edge by a bully or argument with a friend to pick up a weapon and make like a killer.
Also i think blaming a computer game is different to blaming music. Music you listen to, games you play. in a computer game, it is YOU doing the violence. In Manhunt YOU decide how to kill people.
Can no-one see how a child who has been brought up playing violent video games where cutting grannies up with a chainsaw (GTA: Vice City) is a daily event and hammering some-one to death (ManHunt) is fine, could see doing so to a real person as not much different?
I don't really know if ManHunt should be banned. GTA: Vice City isn't, and its pretty similar in its violence content. And if you start banning violent games, who knows where it could stop?
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:22:00 -
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This is a hard one. I don't think its as simple as many of you are making it out to be.
Children ARE influenced by computer games/films/tv. when i was younger i spent all my time imitating action films and pretending to kill people etc. Obviously i am of a sound state of mind and would never do this to a real person, but it only takes someone to be slightly unbalanced who could be pushed over the edge by a bully or argument with a friend to pick up a weapon and make like a killer.
Also i think blaming a computer game is different to blaming music. Music you listen to, games you play. in a computer game, it is YOU doing the violence. In Manhunt YOU decide how to kill people.
Can no-one see how a child who has been brought up playing violent video games where cutting grannies up with a chainsaw (GTA: Vice City) is a daily event and hammering some-one to death (ManHunt) is fine, could see doing so to a real person as not much different?
I don't really know if ManHunt should be banned. GTA: Vice City isn't, and its pretty similar in its violence content. And if you start banning violent games, who knows where it could stop?
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:37:00 -
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It wouldn't stop. It would keep going and going and going. No more good music unless it praises god and happy happy tree huggers. No more eve, unless you fly around and shoot people with laser beams of love.
No more tv shows unless it's the smurfs.. oh wait.. even that's violent. One mans desire to perform genocide on a peaceful little village of blue creatures.
Violence has been in society since man first picked up a club. It's not gonna leave and it's present in EVERYTHING. From literature to cartoons to music to games. Even the bible is slam full of violence.
See, this is why humanity is doomed. Our inability to coexist with our fellow man. But that's another topic heh.
Anyway.. that's what I'm scared of. Where would people draw the line? For the americans here, remember the super bowl?
Need I say more?
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.30 23:37:00 -
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It wouldn't stop. It would keep going and going and going. No more good music unless it praises god and happy happy tree huggers. No more eve, unless you fly around and shoot people with laser beams of love.
No more tv shows unless it's the smurfs.. oh wait.. even that's violent. One mans desire to perform genocide on a peaceful little village of blue creatures.
Violence has been in society since man first picked up a club. It's not gonna leave and it's present in EVERYTHING. From literature to cartoons to music to games. Even the bible is slam full of violence.
See, this is why humanity is doomed. Our inability to coexist with our fellow man. But that's another topic heh.
Anyway.. that's what I'm scared of. Where would people draw the line? For the americans here, remember the super bowl?
Need I say more?
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:20:00 -
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Well, a few years ago there was a similar case where two kids killed a third and it was all blamed on roleplaying in all newspapers, apprently they were playing pen and paper games. Later it was discovered that these kids had a serious empathy problem, they didn't have any, and their game didnt have anything to do with it. But that was never revealed in the newspapers except the local one.
Another good example is that recently there was a documentary here about if games could cause violence, and as an example they showed postal of all games. Of course people will be scared when they use those kind of games as examples, you'd have to have really bad taste to play a game like postal IMO.
I think that violent games might trigger already unstable people, but not more than a violent movie that they show at 2100 would.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.31 00:20:00 -
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Well, a few years ago there was a similar case where two kids killed a third and it was all blamed on roleplaying in all newspapers, apprently they were playing pen and paper games. Later it was discovered that these kids had a serious empathy problem, they didn't have any, and their game didnt have anything to do with it. But that was never revealed in the newspapers except the local one.
Another good example is that recently there was a documentary here about if games could cause violence, and as an example they showed postal of all games. Of course people will be scared when they use those kind of games as examples, you'd have to have really bad taste to play a game like postal IMO.
I think that violent games might trigger already unstable people, but not more than a violent movie that they show at 2100 would.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:35:00 -
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The thing is - and this is doubly so in America - parents will do everything in their power to deflect blame from their thoroughly inept child-rearing, and on to some industry or music brand or other convenient socially acceptable scapegoat. Guess what, soccer mom: If your kid bashes in another kid's head with a claw hammer, it's your goddamn fault and you should *snip*
That was a bit too much - Wrangler
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.31 02:35:00 -
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The thing is - and this is doubly so in America - parents will do everything in their power to deflect blame from their thoroughly inept child-rearing, and on to some industry or music brand or other convenient socially acceptable scapegoat. Guess what, soccer mom: If your kid bashes in another kid's head with a claw hammer, it's your goddamn fault and you should *snip*
That was a bit too much - Wrangler
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Nebulous
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Posted - 2004.07.31 07:27:00 -
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thx for posts everyone.
here is another way of looking at it, if manhunt did cause this to happen then one person has died because of the game, yet alcohol causes hundreds of violent deaths in the UK every year, do i hear people calling for a ban of all alcohol?....no, are shops taking alcohol off there shelves?.... are they f**k. Also the differance between manhunt and alcohol is that alcohol as been PROVED to cause violent behavier, any one who reads this knows that alcohol can turn you into a violent person, its not debateable its a FACT.
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Nebulous
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Posted - 2004.07.31 07:27:00 -
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thx for posts everyone.
here is another way of looking at it, if manhunt did cause this to happen then one person has died because of the game, yet alcohol causes hundreds of violent deaths in the UK every year, do i hear people calling for a ban of all alcohol?....no, are shops taking alcohol off there shelves?.... are they f**k. Also the differance between manhunt and alcohol is that alcohol as been PROVED to cause violent behavier, any one who reads this knows that alcohol can turn you into a violent person, its not debateable its a FACT.
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Blob on 31/07/2004 09:44:16
Hey, I played Postal, and I only killed 6 ppl with a shovel afterwards
I notice now that Manhunt has been pulled off the shelves by Dixons group and now Game.....
I'm off to d/l it from suprnova, and sell it to the kids at the local school
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Joe Blob
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Blob on 31/07/2004 09:44:16
Hey, I played Postal, and I only killed 6 ppl with a shovel afterwards
I notice now that Manhunt has been pulled off the shelves by Dixons group and now Game.....
I'm off to d/l it from suprnova, and sell it to the kids at the local school
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:59:00 -
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Well they whent a head and banned Manhunt in Norway now.
So i guess by the goverments logic I should bee a lot safer walking down the streets now.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 09:59:00 -
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Well they whent a head and banned Manhunt in Norway now.
So i guess by the goverments logic I should bee a lot safer walking down the streets now.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:12:00 -
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Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people 
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Star Fraction
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:12:00 -
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Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:32:00 -
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i tend to take my frustrations out on games, usually eve too, or killing lots of ****s in CoD
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.07.31 10:32:00 -
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i tend to take my frustrations out on games, usually eve too, or killing lots of ****s in CoD
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people
Just look at the sales for GTA3 after all the media fuss about it
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.
Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people
Just look at the sales for GTA3 after all the media fuss about it
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:24:00 -
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This is absurd. As if playing one computer game can over rule 17 years of socialisation?
Clearly if someone had been brought up under conditions that promote some authentic ethics they wouldn't murder thier best friend.
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:24:00 -
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This is absurd. As if playing one computer game can over rule 17 years of socialisation?
Clearly if someone had been brought up under conditions that promote some authentic ethics they wouldn't murder thier best friend.
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
That's the sad truth of the matter.
DonĘt you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donĘt know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.
It's ok for small children to watch a deranged man attempt genocide on a race of small blue creatures, the smurfs, but it's not ok for them to act out their aggression in a virtual world?
I find it sickening that people feel the need to point their fingers and lay blame to videogames when a deranged person commits a violent act.
I think I'll go bomb a dam and flood a few cities. Hey, God did it so I learned it from him!
Or how about I go fly a plane into a building. Hey I saw it on the news!
Oh wait, I know, I think I'll pack a bomb under my t-shirt and run into a bus station! Yeah, I see that on a daily basis.
Video games do not create murderers. True, people may get ideas off of them. But hey, I can list a 1,000 novels written over the last 200 years that contain graphic details of worse crimes.
And to make it even better, I can promise you that 90% of those novels can be checked out at your local library by anyone at anytime.
Ban those while you're at it.
Or, we could go about it the right way, and monitor what our children are doing. No, bad idea. That would require parents actually being involved in their childrenĘs lives. That would never work!
(Note: I do not intend to do any violent acts on my fellow man. It was only an example used to illustrate a point.)
I know I'm ranting, but this **** ****es me off man. Next thing you know I wont even be able to buy a ****o because it promotes prostitution and makes kids into ****s.
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if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.31 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.
That's the sad truth of the matter.
DonĘt you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donĘt know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.
It's ok for small children to watch a deranged man attempt genocide on a race of small blue creatures, the smurfs, but it's not ok for them to act out their aggression in a virtual world?
I find it sickening that people feel the need to point their fingers and lay blame to videogames when a deranged person commits a violent act.
I think I'll go bomb a dam and flood a few cities. Hey, God did it so I learned it from him!
Or how about I go fly a plane into a building. Hey I saw it on the news!
Oh wait, I know, I think I'll pack a bomb under my t-shirt and run into a bus station! Yeah, I see that on a daily basis.
Video games do not create murderers. True, people may get ideas off of them. But hey, I can list a 1,000 novels written over the last 200 years that contain graphic details of worse crimes.
And to make it even better, I can promise you that 90% of those novels can be checked out at your local library by anyone at anytime.
Ban those while you're at it.
Or, we could go about it the right way, and monitor what our children are doing. No, bad idea. That would require parents actually being involved in their childrenĘs lives. That would never work!
(Note: I do not intend to do any violent acts on my fellow man. It was only an example used to illustrate a point.)
I know I'm ranting, but this **** ****es me off man. Next thing you know I wont even be able to buy a ****o because it promotes prostitution and makes kids into ****s.
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if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:07:00 -
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Whoa, look at this...a bunch of gamers saying that it cant possibly be the game...go figure.
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:07:00 -
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Whoa, look at this...a bunch of gamers saying that it cant possibly be the game...go figure.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
Whoa, look at this...a bunch of gamers saying that it cant possibly be the game...go figure.
...as long as you go figure why a bunch of parents/societies/schools/governments will not consider what their part in it might have been.
Blame is easy. Thinking is hard.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
Whoa, look at this...a bunch of gamers saying that it cant possibly be the game...go figure.
...as long as you go figure why a bunch of parents/societies/schools/governments will not consider what their part in it might have been.
Blame is easy. Thinking is hard.
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
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Jade Alexander
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
Whoa, look at this...a bunch of gamers saying that it cant possibly be the game...go figure.
Mr Bilko, we are not just gamers you know!
Some of us are students, doctors, lawyers, civil servants, pensioners, war veterans (even WWII veterans I wish!), journalists, phychologists and the list I'm sure goes on to almost as many ********s are sitting on a chair playing this game...
Please take in consideration that a bunch of gamers are not always those 15 year-olds whose whole universe or excitement revolves round a game they play!
(I sincerely apologize for maneuvering myself round the swearing-filter, but I hope you do see that I wrote that word in a playfull way. Also, please take in consideration that 15 is only a number that came to me at the time I wrote it and that I don't have that opinion for every 15 year-old around. Intelligence after all does not go hand in hand with age...) 
As for the matter discussed I blame the education system which is provided both by the government and the church together. I will not analyse this because political or religious postings are not allowed by CCP on these forums. But consider where I lay the blame as food for thought... 
Please do not bypass the profanity filter - Wrangler
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Jade Alexander
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
Whoa, look at this...a bunch of gamers saying that it cant possibly be the game...go figure.
Mr Bilko, we are not just gamers you know!
Some of us are students, doctors, lawyers, civil servants, pensioners, war veterans (even WWII veterans I wish!), journalists, phychologists and the list I'm sure goes on to almost as many ********s are sitting on a chair playing this game...
Please take in consideration that a bunch of gamers are not always those 15 year-olds whose whole universe or excitement revolves round a game they play!
(I sincerely apologize for maneuvering myself round the swearing-filter, but I hope you do see that I wrote that word in a playfull way. Also, please take in consideration that 15 is only a number that came to me at the time I wrote it and that I don't have that opinion for every 15 year-old around. Intelligence after all does not go hand in hand with age...)
As for the matter discussed I blame the education system which is provided both by the government and the church together. I will not analyse this because political or religious postings are not allowed by CCP on these forums. But consider where I lay the blame as food for thought...
Please do not bypass the profanity filter - Wrangler
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 17:52:00 -
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Quote:
DonĘt you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donĘt know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.
The issue is not simply that we are seeing images of bodies being burned to death and mutilated on TV (which actually in the western world we ARENT, most of the stuff is highly censored). The issue is that we live in a society in which state sponsered mass murder deemed ok, and the corporate media will invariably apologise for state violence. Simply censoring images does not change the fact that thousands are being murdered and maimed by our governments.
Therefore it is not the media who is to blame for showing this real life ultra-violence, but the state/society, which is RESPONSIBLE for those actions in the first place.
This is why it is so odd, when such a society condemns individual acts of violence (understandably) such as this kid murdering his friend, yet fails to condemn the state murder of thousands.
Such a society is fundementally flawed, and using games, or other media as a scapegoat for individual acts of violence will not change that.
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.07.31 17:52:00 -
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Quote:
DonĘt you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donĘt know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.
The issue is not simply that we are seeing images of bodies being burned to death and mutilated on TV (which actually in the western world we ARENT, most of the stuff is highly censored). The issue is that we live in a society in which state sponsered mass murder deemed ok, and the corporate media will invariably apologise for state violence. Simply censoring images does not change the fact that thousands are being murdered and maimed by our governments.
Therefore it is not the media who is to blame for showing this real life ultra-violence, but the state/society, which is RESPONSIBLE for those actions in the first place.
This is why it is so odd, when such a society condemns individual acts of violence (understandably) such as this kid murdering his friend, yet fails to condemn the state murder of thousands.
Such a society is fundementally flawed, and using games, or other media as a scapegoat for individual acts of violence will not change that.
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:06:00 -
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Why cant the game maker be held responsible or at least partly? All you have to do is look at some of the hatemail people send in eve to see how much the game has influenced them. Game makers need to stop worrying about how much money they can make and start worrying about how there games influence people. Just sticking a mature rating on a game and thinking all will be okay doesnt cut it. People say society is to blame, well is the gaming industry not part of society? Are the people who work in the gaming industry not a part of society? Some people say the killer was not of sound mind to begin with, well what about the mind set of a group of people who decided to develop a game where the sole purpose is to go around killing people?
Games have a lot of influence on the people who play them. Game makers know this and that is why they should shoulder some of the responsibility.
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:06:00 -
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Why cant the game maker be held responsible or at least partly? All you have to do is look at some of the hatemail people send in eve to see how much the game has influenced them. Game makers need to stop worrying about how much money they can make and start worrying about how there games influence people. Just sticking a mature rating on a game and thinking all will be okay doesnt cut it. People say society is to blame, well is the gaming industry not part of society? Are the people who work in the gaming industry not a part of society? Some people say the killer was not of sound mind to begin with, well what about the mind set of a group of people who decided to develop a game where the sole purpose is to go around killing people?
Games have a lot of influence on the people who play them. Game makers know this and that is why they should shoulder some of the responsibility.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:57:00 -
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serg, that is completely stupid. It's ALWAYS the person's fault. If I don't go out and kill someone after playing a game, why should anyone else?
Makes no sense to make that connection.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:57:00 -
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serg, that is completely stupid. It's ALWAYS the person's fault. If I don't go out and kill someone after playing a game, why should anyone else?
Makes no sense to make that connection.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dolemite2K on 31/07/2004 19:01:07
I while back I was at a friends house drinking and we played a bit of Ninja Gaiden on my way home i tryed to run on a wall like i did in the game and fell on my ass and spraind my ankle. I think the fact that i was drunk played a bigger factor then the game but hey maybe i should sue the developers anyway
99.9% of people who play games knows that it's just that a GAME and if for some reson a person goes out and tryes to copy what he sees/does in the game then it's something wrong with that person.
Manhunt has a 18+ rating the dude was 17 hmmm maybe,.. bear with me here, it could be the PARENTS?.
It takes more then a game to **** a person up and if you simply blame the game the you are totaly missing the point.
Crazy people won't be less crazy without this game
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dolemite2K on 31/07/2004 19:01:07
I while back I was at a friends house drinking and we played a bit of Ninja Gaiden on my way home i tryed to run on a wall like i did in the game and fell on my ass and spraind my ankle. I think the fact that i was drunk played a bigger factor then the game but hey maybe i should sue the developers anyway
99.9% of people who play games knows that it's just that a GAME and if for some reson a person goes out and tryes to copy what he sees/does in the game then it's something wrong with that person.
Manhunt has a 18+ rating the dude was 17 hmmm maybe,.. bear with me here, it could be the PARENTS?.
It takes more then a game to **** a person up and if you simply blame the game the you are totaly missing the point.
Crazy people won't be less crazy without this game
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Leonstein
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Posted - 2004.07.31 19:12:00 -
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Ok lets take a case study here, who here has watched these cartoons before?
1 : The premise is simple, a Cat tries in vain to catch the Mouse while the Mouse tries his best to injure the Cat with EVERY object available or at least the Cat finds his own way to injure himself in the chase.
2 : Premise two, a Coyote tries in vain to catch the Roadrunner while the Roadrunner tries his best to injure the Coyote with EVERY object available or at least the Coyote finds his own way to injure himself in the chase.
Now at what point did any parent stop and say that the idea of these was violent? And for that matter if any parent had insisted his/her child had harmed an animal because of either cartoon they'd have been laughed at. Why have things changed since then? Society is full of people with their hands out!
Violence has been with us all along but only in the Modern day, in the world of Lawsuits and welfare scams, have people begun to assign blame to the media. Why? Like i said Society is more so now than at any other time full of people with their hands out screaming 'I WANT...I WANT' and not 'I DESERVE...I DESERVE'...
Violence hasn't changed, but Society has....
Sad....Sad but true
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Leonstein
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Posted - 2004.07.31 19:12:00 -
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Ok lets take a case study here, who here has watched these cartoons before?
1 : The premise is simple, a Cat tries in vain to catch the Mouse while the Mouse tries his best to injure the Cat with EVERY object available or at least the Cat finds his own way to injure himself in the chase.
2 : Premise two, a Coyote tries in vain to catch the Roadrunner while the Roadrunner tries his best to injure the Coyote with EVERY object available or at least the Coyote finds his own way to injure himself in the chase.
Now at what point did any parent stop and say that the idea of these was violent? And for that matter if any parent had insisted his/her child had harmed an animal because of either cartoon they'd have been laughed at. Why have things changed since then? Society is full of people with their hands out!
Violence has been with us all along but only in the Modern day, in the world of Lawsuits and welfare scams, have people begun to assign blame to the media. Why? Like i said Society is more so now than at any other time full of people with their hands out screaming 'I WANT...I WANT' and not 'I DESERVE...I DESERVE'...
Violence hasn't changed, but Society has....
Sad....Sad but true
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 19:23:00 -
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Rockstarts statment
Quote:
A statement said: "Rockstar Games is a leading publisher of interactive entertainment geared towards mature audiences and markets its games responsibly, targeting advertising and marketing only to adult consumers aged 18 and older."
The firm said all its games were passed to the BBFC for classification.
The Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers' Association, the video game industry body, said: "We sympathise enormously with the family and parents of Stefan Pakeerah.
"However, we reject any suggestion or association between the tragic events and the sale of the video game Manhunt."
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 19:23:00 -
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Rockstarts statment
Quote:
A statement said: "Rockstar Games is a leading publisher of interactive entertainment geared towards mature audiences and markets its games responsibly, targeting advertising and marketing only to adult consumers aged 18 and older."
The firm said all its games were passed to the BBFC for classification.
The Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers' Association, the video game industry body, said: "We sympathise enormously with the family and parents of Stefan Pakeerah.
"However, we reject any suggestion or association between the tragic events and the sale of the video game Manhunt."
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Owen Kolodai
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Posted - 2004.07.31 20:33:00 -
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so heres my 2 cents...
if banning things works so well, lets just ban crime! "well i was going to take your money and kill you, but apparently thats illegal now...thank god the government made that law!"
of course this sounds silly . it is.
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Posted - 2004.07.31 20:33:00 -
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so heres my 2 cents...
if banning things works so well, lets just ban crime! "well i was going to take your money and kill you, but apparently thats illegal now...thank god the government made that law!"
of course this sounds silly . it is.
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.07.31 22:05:00 -
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Sick game with no redeeming values.
Sick act by a kid who should have never had access to that sick game.
Dumb arse parents of the sick kid who didn't take that sick game away from him.
I feel sorry for both families who are caught up in this mess.
Realisticly.
MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.07.31 22:05:00 -
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Sick game with no redeeming values.
Sick act by a kid who should have never had access to that sick game.
Dumb arse parents of the sick kid who didn't take that sick game away from him.
I feel sorry for both families who are caught up in this mess.
Realisticly.
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.07.31 22:12:00 -
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you can **** on people in postal but it still a **** game, but if it was good yeah i'd buy it
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Posted - 2004.07.31 22:12:00 -
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you can **** on people in postal but it still a **** game, but if it was good yeah i'd buy it
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:44:00 -
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That last "game idea" was over the line for what is acceptable for this forum. It has been deleted and if I see anything similar the poster will be given a nice vacation from posting here.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:44:00 -
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That last "game idea" was over the line for what is acceptable for this forum. It has been deleted and if I see anything similar the poster will be given a nice vacation from posting here.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Kador
As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk
Doom 3 is monsters, thats not gonna inspire any murders.
Manhunt is also the most violent game ever made. But it is also a horrifying psychological expirience, the concept of murdering human beings in cold blood all in the name of light entertainment is an unpleasant concept that you aren't supposed to 'enjoy' in the normal sense.
Anyone who has seen Battle Royale will understand.
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Kador
As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk
Doom 3 is monsters, thats not gonna inspire any murders.
Manhunt is also the most violent game ever made. But it is also a horrifying psychological expirience, the concept of murdering human beings in cold blood all in the name of light entertainment is an unpleasant concept that you aren't supposed to 'enjoy' in the normal sense.
Anyone who has seen Battle Royale will understand. Or Running Man whcih Manhunt is based on.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Kador
As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk
Doom 3 is monsters, thats not gonna inspire any murders.
Manhunt is also the most violent game ever made. But it is also a horrifying psychological expirience, the concept of murdering human beings in cold blood all in the name of light entertainment is an unpleasant concept that you aren't supposed to 'enjoy' in the normal sense.
Anyone who has seen Battle Royale will understand. Or Running Man whcih Manhunt is based on.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Kador
As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk
Doom 3 is monsters, thats not gonna inspire any murders.
Manhunt is also the most violent game ever made. But it is also a horrifying psychological expirience, the concept of murdering human beings in cold blood all in the name of light entertainment is an unpleasant concept that you aren't supposed to 'enjoy' in the normal sense.
Anyone who has seen Battle Royale will understand.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:51:00 -
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Sorry if I have bad english, but anyhow this is my opinion:
I think it's stupid to ban a game just cuz some psycho kid kills his best friend.
I feel sorry for the parents of the murdered child, but blaming a game is wrong. They should blame the the murderers parents instead cuz:
1. The game was designed for ppl at age 18+, so the parents shouldn't have let him play the game.
2. Apparently they didn't raise theire child propperly, cuz if u are raised propperly u know that u can't kill someone just cuz u could do so in a game.
I have played Postal(it's quiet fun actuly, but I tend to get bored at it) and I would never go out and kill anyone or wee-wee at anyone just cuz I could do it in the game.
And say that games affect children could be true, but that doesn't mean that it always affect the children in a bad way...
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:51:00 -
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Sorry if I have bad english, but anyhow this is my opinion:
I think it's stupid to ban a game just cuz some psycho kid kills his best friend.
I feel sorry for the parents of the murdered child, but blaming a game is wrong. They should blame the the murderers parents instead cuz:
1. The game was designed for ppl at age 18+, so the parents shouldn't have let him play the game.
2. Apparently they didn't raise theire child propperly, cuz if u are raised propperly u know that u can't kill someone just cuz u could do so in a game.
I have played Postal(it's quiet fun actuly, but I tend to get bored at it) and I would never go out and kill anyone or wee-wee at anyone just cuz I could do it in the game.
And say that games affect children could be true, but that doesn't mean that it always affect the children in a bad way...
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