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Jason Marshall Gallente Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.27 06:16:00 - [91] Dont forget. - Hundreds of people forced to quit because they cant afford to upgrade.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.01.27 06:27:00 - [92] Originally by: Jason Marshall Dont forget. - Hundreds of people forced to quit because they cant afford to upgrade. oh no, 10 bucks.
Kaivos Caldari Pyydys	Posted - 2009.01.27 06:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Marisal Rofl @ Probing its been turned into a point and click interface... talk about dumbing down. About time, the current system is retarted and boring time wasting ****.
Nayannia Night Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2009.01.27 06:55:00 - [94] Edited by: Nayannia Night on 27/01/2009 06:55:59 This new scanning system has me sad. this means my cov ops with scanning rigs maxed skills and a sisters scan probe launcher just becameedited typo useless for finding eccm'd ships hiding in space. I love my 400 scan str probes finding ships with flawless accuracy no matter how much eccm they are using to hide.... now they will only find rocks. and the recon probes that are used to find ships quickly will never really find heavy eccm ships hiding in a ss. This is what makes me cry.
Laszlo Ozawa	Posted - 2009.01.27 07:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Marisal Rofl @ Probing its been turned into a point and click interface... talk about dumbing down. because, clearly, true skill equals tenacy in dealing with a terribad interface, amirite? amirite? do i get a cookie now..
Lone Gunman	Posted - 2009.01.27 08:01:00 - [96] Edited by: Lone Gunman on 27/01/2009 08:03:03 Hmmmm... So what do you think 46% more systems. That would be 2 Wormholes in each new system. one going to Empire space and the other to 0.0 space? But no wormholes in 1.0 to .8 systems. Sound logical?
PiKacho Minmatar The Flaming Sideburn's Sons-Of-Anarchy	Posted - 2009.01.27 08:45:00 - [97] wormholes = in 0.0 space only ?
Lui Kai Logistics Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.27 08:52:00 - [98] Originally by: PiKacho wormholes = in 0.0 space only ? Read. The. Blog.
Lijhal	Posted - 2009.01.27 08:54:00 - [99] Originally by: Nayannia Night Edited by: Nayannia Night on 27/01/2009 06:55:59 This new scanning system has me sad. this means my cov ops with scanning rigs maxed skills and a sisters scan probe launcher just becameedited typo useless for finding eccm'd ships hiding in space. I love my 400 scan str probes finding ships with flawless accuracy no matter how much eccm they are using to hide.... now they will only find rocks. and the recon probes that are used to find ships quickly will never really find heavy eccm ships hiding in a ss. This is what makes me cry. sorry to ask, but i thought only the signature radius of a ship, and not the sensor strenght, is the dedicated factor to find ships .... or did i miss something ?
Lui Kai Logistics Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.27 08:59:00 - [100] Originally by: Lijhal sorry to ask, but i thought only the signature radius of a ship, and not the sensor strenght, is the dedicated factor to find ships .... or did i miss something ? No, you didn't miss anything - you're perfectly correct. The poster you quoted is highly confused.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:09:00 - [101] Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Lijhal sorry to ask, but i thought only the signature radius of a ship, and not the sensor strenght, is the dedicated factor to find ships .... or did i miss something ? No, you didn't miss anything - you're perfectly correct. The poster you quoted is highly confused. wrng. The sensor strenght IS relevant. That was the main cause for the massive increase in signature of capital ships a few patchers ago. Due to the high sensor strenght they were harder to probe than cruisers. Its a documented FACT higher sensor strenght makes you harder to probe.
Mary Goodwill	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:21:00 - [102] Is this new exploration-system giving anything for the newer players? And for the players who are not members of big corp or alliance, or the players who are not ultimate pvp'ers who seek blood 24/7, or the players who are not seeking pvp at all? Sounds like there's nothing... Yeah, you can find some rare ore, lol. It's like someone is flying their hulk in to the system which is pirate-heaven. So it's gonna be frigate-mining? CCP is always saying "new this and new that... but greater risk". This is just a new playground for pirates and griefers who will love to hunt people in these new systems. For the "carebear" population this is just new place to get shot at. If everyone is going to explore these new systems, can you call that exploring anymore if 10 000 players has already been there?? Lol. Yea yea, now you can flame my carebear-ass. But there's really nothing new from my point of view, just new places to get shot at which is boring.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:32:00 - [103] Honestly, the probe changes sound like the most exciting thing about this to me. I might take up "regular" exploration after they hit :)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:32:00 - [104] Originally by: ShaSha DuJour Originally by: Maria Kalista Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yes but i'm funny huh? No you're not. You're past that a long time ago. agreed. you may THINK you're funny, but that doesn't actually mean... Christ, noone knows the good comics anymore...you kids and your waves hand breaks and blacksheeps! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
ShaSha DuJour	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:57:00 - [105] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: ShaSha DuJour Originally by: Maria Kalista Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yes but i'm funny huh? No you're not. You're past that a long time ago. agreed. you may THINK you're funny, but that doesn't actually mean... Christ, noone knows the good comics anymore...you kids and your waves hand breaks and blacksheeps! case in point. you THINK you're funny, that doesn't actually translate to BEING funny.
Lijhal	Posted - 2009.01.27 10:07:00 - [106] Edited by: Lijhal on 27/01/2009 10:11:19 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Lijhal sorry to ask, but i thought only the signature radius of a ship, and not the sensor strenght, is the dedicated factor to find ships .... or did i miss something ? No, you didn't miss anything - you're perfectly correct. The poster you quoted is highly confused. wrng. The sensor strenght IS relevant. That was the main cause for the massive increase in signature of capital ships a few patchers ago. Due to the high sensor strenght they were harder to probe than cruisers. Its a documented FACT higher sensor strenght makes you harder to probe. can you please link that source ? b/c @ Exploration_Guide it says: The rule of thumb is that smaller ships are harder to find, as the signature radius of an object is a defining factor in how difficult it is to locate. or is this guide on the eve Wiki not up-to-date ?
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.27 10:15:00 - [107] Originally by: ShaSha DuJour case in point. you THINK you're funny, that doesn't actually translate to BEING funny. Sheriff Jones never claimed to be funny, as such we have no indication that he actually thinks he is funny himself. Then it is all down to personal opinion if you find his posting funny or not. You on the contrary might think that your posting does not present you as being a dimwit, while in my opinion it does.
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.27 11:28:00 - [108] Originally by: Lijhal Edited by: Lijhal on 27/01/2009 10:11:19 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Lijhal sorry to ask, but i thought only the signature radius of a ship, and not the sensor strenght, is the dedicated factor to find ships .... or did i miss something ? No, you didn't miss anything - you're perfectly correct. The poster you quoted is highly confused. wrng. The sensor strenght IS relevant. That was the main cause for the massive increase in signature of capital ships a few patchers ago. Due to the high sensor strenght they were harder to probe than cruisers. Its a documented FACT higher sensor strenght makes you harder to probe. can you please link that source ? b/c @ Exploration_Guide it says: The rule of thumb is that smaller ships are harder to find, as the signature radius of an object is a defining factor in how difficult it is to locate. or is this guide on the eve Wiki not up-to-date ? I read somewhere, that they are both a factor. The signal a ship gives off is what is picked up by the scan probe. Signal Strength = Signature Radius/Sensor Strength I'm not sure where I read it, but I think this is roughly right, fitting eccm reduces the signal your ship radiates
Don Zoul	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:08:00 - [109] I'm looking forward to this for sure. But to proffit from it, you have to get your cargo back home intact. How exactly do we find our way back to regular New Eden? If wormholes into and out of the new systems are random, who's to say when you return to New Eden, you won't end up deep in 0.0 and surrounded by enemy gate camps making it impossible to get back home safely? With most of 0.0 under Alliance control and defended by blob fleets, I hope theres something to be gained from this new exploration by the smaller corporations.
David Grogan Gallente The Motley Crew	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:15:00 - [110] Originally by: Jason Marshall Dont forget. - Hundreds of people forced to quit because they cant afford to upgrade. as im am one of those forced to upgrade its no major cost yes my old laptop will be downgraded to logging on eve website and msn while my current dual lcd screen pc runs 2 of my 4 acs.... for Ç300 + a pile of left over componets & crt monitors from previous upgrades i can probably sc**** together the makings of another pc capable of running 2 premium lite acs at same time. if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:18:00 - [111] Originally by: Jason Marshall Dont forget. - Hundreds of people forced to quit because they cant afford to upgrade. If they can't afford a very minor upgrade to Premium Lite, then they really shouldn't be spending cash on an online game.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:39:00 - [112] Originally by: ShaSha DuJour Originally by: Sheriff Jones Christ, noone knows the good comics anymore...you kids and your waves hand breaks and blacksheeps! case in point. you THINK you're funny, that doesn't actually translate to BEING funny. Case in point is this, my initial "yeah but it was funny huh?" is from gabriel iglesias, the "noone knows the good comics" means him, not me. You're the only one even insinuating that my funny is in question My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Pliauga Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:43:00 - [113] Edited by: Pliauga on 27/01/2009 12:44:52 In a nutshell, the tip of Apochribba iceberg is awesome. ---------- DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?! .
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.01.27 13:08:00 - [114] Originally by: CCP Whisper inn Devblog [...] We have not forgotten about the desirability of space for colonisation, and will be looking at ways to implement that gameplay feature in the future. In fact one of my biggest challenges will be stopping PrismX from adding ten thousand systems now that he's gotten a taste of being a deity in creative mood. CCP Whisper... I hope you fail in stopping CCP PrismX! The paste is from second paragraph from the bottom in this devblog. Oh, and the coming axpansion looks bloody fantastic!! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Mordekai Bloodwake Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.27 13:09:00 - [115] Originally by: Sheriff Jones So, bought my Wrath of Lich King, with nthy more hours of quests and levels, and ONE island. Now CCP is giving me FREE 2500 "islands" and it's just "the tip of iceberg"
Hatt0ri Hanz0	Posted - 2009.01.27 13:18:00 - [116] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 26/01/2009 16:59:44 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: 5pinDizzy Looks like they are going all out to try and make the expansion space something for everyone before it's just taken over by alliances and pirates with capital ships and tech 2 gangs. I don't think it's gonna work though. Once they get there all they gotta do is bring 30 of their friends and camp all the stations. This is ours now! Farming time! but the wormholes will only let in so many ships, once that many ships are in, the wormholes closes. and if you don't have a probe ship, the whole entire alliance fleet must commit suicide. How do you work that out? You're talking about multi trillion isk alliances with dozens of alts at their disposal. They can dock up and just camp there, come back when they please while doing 50 other things on their other characters. It'll take them a bit of time, but they'll soon have all ganged on up these existing npc stations. They'll find a way. Give it a month and BOB and Goons and their pets will own all this new space. This. Trust me, players will find a way. The player base will in no time: chart each and every one of these new systems. create a database of what system has what npc,mins, plexes, whatever etc etc find out which systems are the most profitable meta game the crap out of the system to maximize profits. Im very excited about the expansion, but I'm realistic.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2009.01.27 14:20:00 - [117] I fail to see how 0.0 alliances would take "all" wormhole space. I mean for one thing, there's so damn much of it, what's more the entrances and exits are always changing so there can't be any reliable zones of control. I expect many explorers and small corporations exploring the vast unknown. While large 0.0 alliances will no doubt explore W space too, trying to control it reliably in huge amounts would probably spread them thin away from their front lines in known space.
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.01.27 15:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Lijhal Edited by: Lijhal on 27/01/2009 10:11:19 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Lijhal sorry to ask, but i thought only the signature radius of a ship, and not the sensor strenght, is the dedicated factor to find ships .... or did i miss something ? No, you didn't miss anything - you're perfectly correct. The poster you quoted is highly confused. wrng. The sensor strenght IS relevant. That was the main cause for the massive increase in signature of capital ships a few patchers ago. Due to the high sensor strenght they were harder to probe than cruisers. Its a documented FACT higher sensor strenght makes you harder to probe. can you please link that source ? b/c @ Exploration_Guide it says: The rule of thumb is that smaller ships are harder to find, as the signature radius of an object is a defining factor in how difficult it is to locate. or is this guide on the eve Wiki not up-to-date ? might search for it when I am at home. But just check for the time when the MC ragnarok got killed. The change was made a few weeks before that and the next day there was a huge thread in game development forum discussing this, because was seen as the main reason why the ragnarok was located so fast. So just check dev blogs from 2nd half of 2007. When i have time I will do it.
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.01.27 15:07:00 - [119] "When scanning for a ship the signal strength is based on the signature radius to sensor strength ratio for the target. Generally there is a 2x increase in this ratio between major ship classes (making larger ships easier to find), but capital ships have very high sensor strengths, making the ratio is less than for battleships. To address this issue the signature radius of capital ships has been significantly increased to fit the progression between frigates, cruisers and battleships. This change naturally also affects tracking, so Dreadnoughts will have an easier time hitting other capital ships while in siege mode, making them better suited as anti-capital ships as originally intended. " The blog
Nayannia Night Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2009.01.28 04:23:00 - [120] wow I didnt intend to turn this into a scanning 102 class, but YES it does factor. a small ship is harder to find than a big ship, but a high sensro str is also harder to find, it works like ecm in a way. and the accuracy of your find is determined by the size of the ship and how much your probe 'beat it' by. in ecm terms how likely you are to successfully jam a target. the more likely the more precise your find is. I use a recon probe launcher in combat and I might find that log ship with eccm, or I might be 100,000k off the target if I even find it at all. OR I can use a direction scanner to find if its within 4 au of me and spend the 1.5 minutes off grid with a probe dropped quickly cloaked and he never knows I have found him within 0m of his ss. This is what makes me a master tracker and the 'poster is greatly confused' guy a noob. Thanks for the support for all who backed me up. Good to see people that understand game mechanics in a forum about chaning game mechanics instead of noobs and whiners for once.

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