Are we talking jump freighters or cynos.

Jump freighters where and are badly needed.
At one time Dread and carriers performed the role the the mass movers and where later on nerfed.
Which left the small alliances in a serious bind while the large titan alliances simply shifted to more titan bridges.

As far as cyno's
Keep in mind you can warp directly to any cyno no matter where it is in system.

Well first off if you move cyno's to 15 km off anything then everyone will switch to POS's as there drop off point.

So you are going to go from.
Forcing someone to dock and undock opportunity to a lets take on a POS.

That would mean less opportunity to kill a capital rather then more.

IF the mechanic of docking is perceived to be to much then wouldn't it be better to create a docking timer when you jump via a cyno ?

As you have failed to explain the actual problem it is rather hard to find a fix.

It's fine, as long as they package that veldspar into 425mm Railgun Is (or whatever we use now) and sell them to us to JF down to make more supercapitals !

We are primarily discussing cynos. The topic of Jump Freighters will come up since they are the only ships who purely use the problem outlined about cynos. Other ships must be used in more dangerous roles which makes the traveling part a bit more trivial for them. Other capital ships also can "travel fit" which makes them even more efficient at cyno traveling than jump freighters (+ cloak).

The main issue I have with cynos at station is a lack of a proper counter. Classic example of rock, paper, shotgun. Shotgun wins all the time. Unless you bring 1000 rocks.

Also, other capital ships can't enter highsec, which means they can only mimic a jump freighter to a certain point; you still need to physically move in an empty freighter through the high/low sec gate.

Current cyno mechanics allow Jump Freighters to jump out of highsec into the docking zone of a lowsec station. Warp to gate a zero. Rinse/Repeat.

Yes we are only talking about 3 ship classes.

Carrier / Dread - which as you say can't jump through gates but does have weapons, and can defend itself if need be.
Price range 1-2 Bill
Jump Freighter - No weapons, no hardening, but it can jump through a gate. (if you could put a scram on a newbie ship it could stop a jump freighter indefinitely) and there is nothing the jump freighter could do except log ( and pray with the new timer rule). price 7-8 Bill

By all your comments you have a problem with station docking and NOT cyno's
You want to create a opportunity to kill a 7 bill isk capital ship (empty) with 5 cruisers.

THen simply put a timer on how long a ship must wait to dock after jumping through a cyno.
So how much time do you need ?
1 minute, 5 minutes, 10 minutes ?
I am being serious.

How about the ship can't dock as long as the cyno is up and on grid.
Hmmm how about nobody can dock or undock while a cyno is up on a station grid.
Dangerous conditions and all that.
Then you could lock people out of stations or lock them in.
I actually like that idea, it would kill lots of issues.
But CCP would have to make the cyno collapse when the cyno ship is destroyed.

That would fix everything and add in a new twist.

Goons haha being a goon is easier than starting fron scratch in highsec yet every goontard has that elitist sense of superiority over highseccers that I love.
Sorry I didn't have a corp hand me everything when I created my acct.

I love it when nulsec nap bears post with their alts and think they know anything but how to lock a primary and press f1.

Why are cynos allowed within docking range?
Why are cyno jumps more precise than stargates?

For one, the "sphere of arrival" should be similar - if not greater - to a stargate. With that in mind, cynos should not be allowed within at least 15 km from any celestial object such as stations, stargates or POS bubbles (...wait). Why are we risking the lives of all those station dwellers? The last thing I want when enjoying CONCORD advertisements on WiS TV is Jimbo001's Titan jumping onto/into my sorry ass. boom.

If you disagree, please provide another argument than something along the lines of "I don't want EVE to become harder", thanks. There is currently no challenge when travelling using cynos - I doubt anyone complains about the cyno kessy ganks.

If you agree, I'd like to hear how you think this should be implemented and what other restrictions/changes could follow.

I honestly wouldn't mind Jimbo001's Titan jumping in on your sorry ass.

you can be "at 0" (within dock range) even though you are physically 20ish km away from the bumping zone. C'mon you can do better than that...

So you agree moving ships through a cyno chain poses very little risk? This is why It should be changed. Seems to me this system is as broken as the dramiel back in the day when only the pilot's mistake would put it at risk.

As long as you know what you are doing, you are never risking your ship. When was the last time you heard about a JF kill that was NOT due to the pilot's silly mistake?

i love it when non-spaceholding alliances talk about the activities of spaceholding alliances

But how many of those are not due to wardecs or unlucky bounces? You can catch one at a cyno generator, but it usually requires a force capable to attack a large deathstar POS.

The answer to this question is quite irrelevant to the discussion.

The issue is the station structure itself since it is essentially a bubble of influence, not sure the mechanics. I myself wouldn't mind reduced docking bubbles, or docking zones, still needs to ensure proper collision mechanics however.

You seem to be under the assumption that everything in Eve has to have some huge standard of risk, which is not strictly speaking, true. There is risk in everything, but not necessarily high risk. Risk can be mitigated by a number of factors, including Alts.
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Why is your demand the more compelling?

Just remove the warp to function, and add a limit to cyno range around stations (like dropping giant secure containers). If the scouts do their job and the Cyno ships check Dscan, the cyno'd ship is still pretty safe, just not perfectly safe as they are now. That is more in the spirit of EVE imo.

Which question was that?
It looks to me that you made a statement.
"I'm bad at pirating, and I want to chnage game mechanics to make it easier...."

This.

Correct me if any of this is wrong.

Cyno's require skills, fuel, and ships capable of utilizing the mods plus the specialized mods and deployables. They require coordination of two parties (minimum). So yes, they are more accurate than system gates that generically propel a very wide variety of loads across highly variable distances without requiring any special skills, fuel, mods, coordination, deployables or alignment.

It's like molding a piece of aluminum using a large bastard file versus a CNC machine.

cyno freight ruined freighter ganking

]It makes logistics so easy a caveman can do it.
It removes all risk from moving assets from Jita -> nullsec hub of choice.
It makes it easier for alliances to import from hisec than setup their own proper industrial backbone.
It encourages players in alliances to import from hisec rather than rely or contribute to the alliance backbone.

Nothing screams pro pvp like shooting a cyno alt. /sarcasm

Some PvP is about tears, not chestbeating, isk, killboards or other irrelevant drivel. I farmed cyno frigs in a lowsec area for some time, not to pad killboards (it doesn't affect your efficiency anyhow, based on isk as it usually is), it doesn't make me look good (in fact, I've gotten alot of insults, similar to yours). But it also got some of them so annoyed they cyno'd in other systems, allowing me to get a few JF/capital kills. But I wouldn't expect a blobing killboard-masturbating elite PvPer to understand such things. And of course, the tears, they are delicious, the amount of hatemails you get from certain people, claiming they will violate your mother and sister, just because you kill his cyno frigs repeatedly.. is priceless.

It actually takes an enormous amount of time, planning, and isk to move items to/from nullsec. Just cuz lowsec and empire noobs see a high priced capital ship and want to kill it, doesn't mean they should be able to.

It's actually already extremely easy to kill a carrier or jump freighter off a station dock. Really is unfortunate that people who don't fly cap ships don't truly understand how to kill them. Look at orphanage or privateers killboards and see how many jump freighters they kill. They make a living off killing JF's.

If you really wanna kill high cost ships in your own realm go wardec an incursion runner or something. Gank them with 3 or so T1 fitted blackbirds even xP. Or better yet leave empire and do some real pvp.

FYI only a nutter would cyno directly onto a POS bubble takes to long to slow boat in you cyno 150+ off the POS so you still in range of defences but able to warp directly to the tower.