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Opertone Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 122	Posted - 2012.04.20 09:52:00 - [31] - Quote I would not call it sociopathy or mental illness. It is the common faggotry - urgent desire to act like a *. Synonym - douche bag. They want to cause damage, they deliver damage to other players out of fun factor. Only one problem with this - they ruin gameplay for others and abuse certain game mechanics - such as capsuleers are immortal and unpunishable, there is no way to pay back. If a person steals a lot of isk, nobody can reverse it. GMs do not solve scams. They often can't solve cheats or exploits when it is called for. I hate exploiters. I dislike people who want to ** into my virtual life.
No'mak Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.20 09:54:00 - [32] - Quote Liked the original post. Nicely explained! I will say though that the instance you mentioned may be something that psychopaths do, but people who are not psychopaths will also do it, and not all psychopaths would actually resort to such behaviour. So a better term to use would be anti-social behaviour. Although I'm nitpicking I think it's an important distinction!
Halete Teraa Matar White-Lotus 79	Posted - 2012.04.20 11:34:00 - [33] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Tricking someone into thinking you have an ace-high straight and taking a large amount of real life money from them as a result? Well played sir, oh good game! Tricking someone into thinking you have a Titan for sales and taking a large amount of imaginary pixel-money from them as a result? U R MENTALLY SICK SOCIOPATH!!!!11 Obviously it's the lack of real life consequences that make the difference. Congratulations, you won the forum. We can all go home now. Remembers, fly Frigates - Capsuleers are more tenacious than baseliner crews.-á
Ban Bindy Bindy Brothers Pottery Association 107	Posted - 2012.04.20 11:39:00 - [34] - Quote By the end of your article you identify instances of what you call real psychopathy in Eve. This contradicts your earlier argument that it does not exist. It makes no difference that you attempt to delineate the line that you say has been crossed. Other people would put that line at different places, and, frankly, with more logic and fewer words than you use. A person who plays this game with no sense of personal honor is likely to have a weak sense of honor in the world. The game glorifies betrayals, thefts, scams, bullying in local chat, name calling, gay-baiting, misogynistic language, and general nasty behavior. That this crosses the line into real life is demonstrated clearly by the recent Fanfest. There is little to argue here. Psychopath is a very extreme word and I would not use it to describe what goes on in most of the game. But with the guy in Sweden stating publicly that he prepared himself for a massacre of 77 people by playing World of Warcraft and Call of Duty, you can be that this discussion in the real world is not over. A person who role-plays a bad guy in Eve does not have to bully people, steal from them, betray his online friends, or anything of the kind, in order to role-play a bad guy. There are lots of pirates in Eve who still have a sense of friendship and honor. But there are many who do not. A bad person in Eve is probably a bad person in the real world. Your post has actually affirmed this connection in its closing.
Halete Teraa Matar White-Lotus 79	Posted - 2012.04.20 11:52:00 - [35] - Quote You may have missed the point, but you did so fantastically. Kudos. Remembers, fly Frigates - Capsuleers are more tenacious than baseliner crews.-á
Justice Comes Republic University Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:00:00 - [36] - Quote It seems perfectly reasonable that someone who spends all day trying to scam people in Jita would be more likely to cheat (at small things at least) IRL. There is no hard line between the fantasy and reality other than what you put there yourself, and everyone is different. Google Chrome could not load the webpage because forums.eveonline.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection.
Jonah Gravenstein 157	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:01:00 - [37] - Quote I'm pretty much a carebear in game, however if I see a opportunity to scam, gank, otherwise screw somebody else out of virtual monies or goods I will . There are no morals or boundaries in this wonderful virtual world that we inhabit, that's what makes it so damn appealing, you can do what you want, when you want and the only penalties are virtual, so I have no problems with people playing at being badass space pirates, conmen or otherwise generally unpleasant people. Carebearing has its risks as do the darker professions available to us, you choose your path, you take on board the risks and above all you have FUN which is what the game is all about. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3411	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:02:00 - [38] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: But with the guy in Sweden stating publicly that he prepared himself for a massacre of 77 people by playing World of Warcraft... No he didn't Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Halete Teraa Matar White-Lotus 79	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:08:00 - [39] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Ban Bindy wrote: But with the guy in Sweden stating publicly that he prepared himself for a massacre of 77 people by playing World of Warcraft... No he didn't Off-topic, but the documents he released publicly admitted that he only pretended to have a video-game obsession to cover up the time that he was using to plan his attack. This was so successful that he later approached the media saying that he had used games such as Call of Duty to 'train' for the massacre. He pretty clearly flaunts how eagerly peopled lapped this story up. Remembers, fly Frigates - Capsuleers are more tenacious than baseliner crews.-á
Poetic Stanziel Major Kong Freight 807	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:13:00 - [40] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I was gang leader in a 2 man fleet with a good irl friend in 0.0 when the **** hit the fan and we had to find a way out. Bad people had a gatecamp set up on one gate and had a scout watching the other, no doubt having their whole fleet ready to chase anyone with the audacity to try to slip past. So I got a brilliant plan to get out of the situation, I would gang warp us to the camped gate and cancel my warp leaving him the sole target of the enemy fleet while I slipped to safety. But that's not so much a big scam as just being freaking hilarious! :) The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Caellach Marellus Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative 515	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:14:00 - [41] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: But with the guy in Sweden stating publicly that he prepared himself for a massacre of 77 people by playing World of Warcraft and Call of Duty, you can be that this discussion in the real world is not over. Norway, and from someone that was in one of his guilds several years ago he's talking absolute bullshit. He played games to avoid RL social contact, that's the closest to "prepairing" it got. Enjoy your gaming. http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com
Xervish Krin Shiva Furnace 19	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:18:00 - [42] - Quote When you play eve, you're agreeing to play by the rules of the game. The same is true for any game. If you take all my pieces in chess without mercy, I don't call you a psychopath who clearly has no regard for my feelings or my poor poor bishop. I agreed when I sat down to play that if I put the bishop where it could be taken, it could be taken. If you blow up my ship, it's no different. The fact that I'm more attached to it than a bishop is irrelevant; I agreed when I flew it that it could be blown up. If you make an alliance, you agree it can be betrayed. If you give money to a scammer, you agree to whatever skewed contract they offered. You don't get to make up extra rules where nobody gets to touch the stuff that's important to you any more than I can declare that my bishops can only be taken by a king. Play by the rules or don't play at all. It isn't others' fault that you care so much about your space pixels that you think they deserve a magic exception.
Roime Shiva Furnace 532	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:25:00 - [43] - Quote Xervish Krin wrote: It isn't others' fault that you care so much about your space pixels that you think they deserve a magic exception. Unless they actually consist of exceptionally magical and wonderful space pixels. Like Shiva ships do.
Poetic Stanziel Major Kong Freight 807	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:30:00 - [44] - Quote Opertone wrote: I hate exploiters. I dislike people who want to **** into my virtual life. You have a lot of anger, sir. The in-game pacifists seem to be the angriest, cruellest players of the bunch ... they would benefit so much from some good old fashioned Exhumer ganking. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Poetic Stanziel Major Kong Freight 807	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:33:00 - [45] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: Psychopath is a very extreme word and I would not use it to describe what goes on in most of the game. But with the guy in Sweden stating publicly that he prepared himself for a massacre of 77 people by playing World of Warcraft and Call of Duty, you can be that this discussion in the real world is not over. Yeah, I'm going to believe anything that comes out of that guy's mouth. He could very well have a beef against video games. What better way to turn a negative light on to them than to claim that they prepared you to kill 77 people. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Dr Silkworth Two Geezers in Space 30	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:39:00 - [46] - Quote So you think anger is a punishable offense? How about your own?
Poetic Stanziel Major Kong Freight 807	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:41:00 - [47] - Quote Dr Silkworth wrote: So you think anger is a punishable offense? How about your own? Who are you talking too? The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Dr Silkworth Two Geezers in Space 30	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:42:00 - [48] - Quote Now lets talk about guilt?
Whitehound 159	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:50:00 - [49] - Quote The longer a comment the more nonsense it contains... When you buy GTCs then you should know that the money you spend on it is gone and will not come back. This is all one needs to understand. Your stuff will explode one day and the how will not matter. You will close your account because you have grown out of the game, less time for it or because you died and your stuff will sit in a database until the bits start to rot. There is nothing psychopathic about it. The real loss is made the moment you buy GTCs. The only bad person is the one who spends more real money on a game than he can afford to lose. No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell
Just Alter Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:52:00 - [50] - Quote I completely disagree with everything you have written, you're deluding yourself People dont behave in the real world as they do in eve because they have more to lose (their life) I'd suggest reading the work of zimbardo and pinker and marc macyoung on these points
Kietay Ayari Caldari State 342	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:52:00 - [51] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Why is it the smartest people in the world always agree with me? Funny that,no? The OP "seems" to make sense if one applies... No one thinks that people aren't real when you are playing in a virtual game. The difference that you have to understand is that your actions ARE different. Otherwise PvP would be much worse than stealing. Have you never killed another player in EVE or any other game ever? Did you not feel accomplishment by outperforming another person in a competitive way? Im sure you can understand that. Now you just have to realize that while most games just have killing eachother as the only competitive way of engaging, EVE allows you to lie and cheat and steal. Just like Im sure you don't murder thousands of people in RL like you do in EVE Im sure the fact that people steal or lie in EVE does not affect if they do in RL. Ferox #1
Mugged Yougot NorCorp Security AAA Citizens 10	Posted - 2012.04.20 13:20:00 - [52] - Quote Justice Comes wrote: It seems perfectly reasonable that someone who spends all day trying to scam people in Jita would be more likely to cheat (at small things at least) IRL. There is no hard line between the fantasy and reality other than what you put there yourself, and everyone is different. Guess SW:TOR turned me into an outlaw then, because after playing that game there are few things that amuse me more than tears. But everyone know's that gaming automatically turns you into a sociopathic serial-killer, so why am I writing this post? o.O
Ackemi Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 2	Posted - 2012.04.20 13:24:00 - [53] - Quote I just want to thank everyone for the sincere thought put into this thread. I have enjoyed it greatly! During this discussion, we've experienced at least three of what I would consider "real life" viewpoints of this very valued topic. (There may be more and I'm too dense to catch them...) I think the important thing to remember is that in real life (and Eve since "Eve is Real") all the different viewpoints are VALID when dealing with other people. YMMV... It's almost a disservice to human complexity that societies strive to apply/enforce only one viewpoint at any given time to its people for any specific topic. Make of that what you will...
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 765	Posted - 2012.04.20 13:49:00 - [54] - Quote OP is so cool. We should all go to OP's blog and read it every day. So much excellent stuff from OP. Just WOW!!! I don't judge, I just say it how it is. waits for wallet to blink PS hatred towards EVE Uni is completely Okay!! Okay!?!?
Dr Silkworth Two Geezers in Space 30	Posted - 2012.04.20 13:55:00 - [55] - Quote Could we really be talking about something as simple a unsportsmanlike conduct even if were extending it from ship pvp to the market coups?
Sin Pew SWARTA Mostly Clueless 20	Posted - 2012.04.20 14:28:00 - [56] - Quote You can't label some gamers with a psychiatric condition because they find fun in causing some distress to others, it's nothing different from teenagers acting cruel to the ones they don't like in highschool because they're different. Some people will drink to illness, others will do some sports, or perform another hobby IRL, and some people act up in virtual spaceships. They might have a problem, but it has nothing to do with the game itself and I'm pretty sure eve online isn't part of the clinical diagnosis process. Psychopathy is a mental illness someone is born with, not to be confused with the violent psychotics. Sociopathy is inherited through environmental influences over childhood. Both are antisocial behaviours showing a lack of emotional response to good or evil, no empathy. You can't compare that with greed. The impulses of a guy tricking someone over the internet for some (virtual) profit, is nothing compared to a psychopathetic impulses. If every person manipulating others, or taking advantage of a situation for their personal benefit was to be labeled psychopaths, the guy sneaking before you to get a better place in the theater while you look behind you for a few seconds, would be a psychopath as well, the guy selling you car as well, and the girl on the phone trying to sell you a new lawn mower with a mortgage. We would all be psychopaths actually... Parents mistakes in educting a child, don't necessarily lead to severe mental diseases, psychology today and other junk magazines are doing serious damages though. Also, it's almost been a month now, the goons-bashing threads, as disguised as they might be, are growing really old. Wait, isn't that a pattern of obsessional and compulsive behaviours... News of the hour: Virtual Tourettes have invaded New Eden. If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
Bane Necran 334	Posted - 2012.04.20 14:34:00 - [57] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: No, sociopaths don't feel any emotion. Eve players obviously get a lot of enjoyment out of whatever they do Well, the excited rush i spoke of before is pretty much the only pleasure they can feel, and it's brief. So chasing that becomes an obsession. They keep seeking out people to harm, and then doing more and more harmful things to people, in order to get that fleeting high again. They're also often 'thrill seekers' for the same reason.
Dr Silkworth Two Geezers in Space 30	Posted - 2012.04.20 14:37:00 - [58] - Quote Sin: Who told you you can't? Bane: That rush? Its worth exploring. Adrenalin followed by an endorphin release? Anger and ego. Socially I'm conditioned to be uncomfortable with them in extremes. Under victory conditions I'm allright with them if I keep a sportsman like lid on them. Or am I pscyo too? :) Being a carebear at heart I'm not super familiar with this rush real often. Perhaps I need to gank an ibis before I speak anymore?
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1556	Posted - 2012.04.20 14:41:00 - [59] - Quote I try to avoid judging others, although in reality that is impossible to do. For my own conduct, and my own internal judgement of the actions of people I choose to associate with in game, I tend to use the following. Do what you wish, attack/gank/scam if you will, but remember you can be ruthless and still have class. Mock who you wish, but remember you can display your rapier like wit and still have class. Don't go out of your way to intentionally hurt someone in their real life, don't accuse them of sleeping with their recently deceased father... or make lewd suggestions about their 8yr girl (as I have witnessed happen before), as quite simply doing such things displays no class. You can insert the word unsportsmanlike if you prefer, but to me the word class describes a more personal and deeper level of your approach to these situations. You can be an honest (even heroic) person in reality and still portray an amazingly devious and dangerous fiend in game, the only common theme between the two should be the level of class you maintain in both worlds. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Bane Necran 334	Posted - 2012.04.20 14:56:00 - [60] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I try to avoid judging others, although in reality that is impossible to do. In my case at least, i learned so much about these people because someone i thought was a friend in real life, completely blind sided me. I always knew there was something about him that was a little off, but i never really thought about it until it was too late. And i don't mean he did anything minor. This guy stalked me and vandalized my property for 10 years during the night, and during the day was out there convincing people i was a child molester. The reason i'm so outspoken on the issue is because unless you're one of these people yourself, you just don't think anyone is capable of doing that, and even if you do, the last person you expect is the guy pretending to be your friend. I hope to stop someone else from learning about them the hard way. But on the bright side of things i'm now a psychopaths worst nightmare. I know them better than they know themselves.

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