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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 04:43:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Then I guess I'm a heartless *****. In the video game.
LOL ok, don't be upset when someone says it I suppose. It is the same emotional attachment is it not? Setting and context are not relevant, it is the emotion and motive that matter.
They don't care to acknowledge your distiction between your in-game and out-game personas, any more than you care to akcnowledge their lack of distiction. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
693
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Posted - 2012.04.22 04:47:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote: So essentially it boils down to "I don't have problems, everyone else does!" or in this context "It's not my fault I'm attached to space pixels, everyone else is just a sociopath!"
That is a... very American mindset.
Call it whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that you are making a judgement about someone else's motives, and then being upset when they do the same in return. If that makes you feel bad, then perhaps you should reevaluate your motives or not worry about it.
Guilt is your choice, not their's.
P.S. The golden rule has been around a lot longer than the USA, and expressed in just about every religion, so um, good luck with the pop-culture stuff. |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.04.22 04:56:00 -
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The Golden Rule is not the be-all-end-all of moral philosophy. It's not even a very good rule in real life since it more often than not leads to situations where either choice violates the Rule.
It also never took into account the possibilities of a virtual world where antisocial behavior is practically encouraged.
You seem to be adamant on dismissing the personal responsibility of the offended party. They don't exist in a vacuum, the universe around them does not know about their emotional state or investment into the game and even then hardly anyone would care. EvE "society" if you can call it that is inherently clannish in nature which means "Screw everyone else who doesn't belong to my circle of friends!" Everyone playing the game should well be aware of that fact so being upset about getting scammed or blown up is silly at best and irrational at worst. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
693
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:03:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote: You seem to be adamant on dismissing the personal responsibility of the offended party. They don't exist in a vacuum, the universe around them does not know about their emotional state or investment into the game and even then hardly anyone would care. EvE "society" if you can call it that is inherently clannish in nature which means "Screw everyone else who doesn't belong to my circle of friends!" Everyone playing the game should well be aware of that fact so being upset about getting scammed or blown up is silly at best and irrational at worst.
Again, you are trying to determine what other's should think, or how they feel and attempting to justify it with moral relativisim. Yet you seem to get upset when they appear, from your perspective, to be doing it to you. Who's fault is that?
You are saying "Screw everyone that doesn't want to play or think about Eve the same way I do." Your position is just as irrational as theirs, by your own definition. Karma is a *****, ain't it? |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
819
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:18:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I like these sub-posts on your blog. Quote:Various comments from the blog post. Some really good stuff there, to bad it contradicts everything that you said. They're called comments, not sub-posts, and I did not write them.
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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
819
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:22:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:That however is not for you to decide. One's emotional attachment to their pixel space ship is not yours to determine. You can only determine your emotional attachment to your pixel space ship. How are we to know when someone is silly/off-kilter enough to have put an emotional investment in their pretend spaceship? Should we first ask them before blowing up their Hulk? Or should be assume that everyone is emotionally immature? The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
693
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: How are we to know when someone is silly/off-kilter enough to have put an emotional investment in their pretend spaceship? Should we first ask them before blowing up their Hulk? Or should be assume that everyone is emotionally immature?
If you get upset by them calling you names, because to you they are "emotionally immature", then are you any more emotionally mature than they?
As for you asking them or whatever, that's up to you. If you do not care about their feelings, why would you ask in the first place? |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
819
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:38:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:As for you asking them or whatever, that's up to you. If you do not care about their feelings, why would you ask in the first place? Their feelings are misplaced. So I could give a f**k about their "feelings."
You seem to think you have the winning argument here. Placing a strong emotional investment into pixels is not healthy behaviour. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
695
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Posted - 2012.04.22 05:53:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Their feelings are misplaced. So I could give a f**k about their "feelings."
You seem to think you have the winning argument here. Placing a strong emotional investment into pixels is not healthy behavior.
Well if you don't give a fck about their feelings, why should they give a fck about yours and not call you a psycho?
Placing strong emotional attachment on your in-game activities is not a healthy behavior. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
130
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:09:00 -
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Knowing these things are in EVE doesn't mean I am somehow duty bound to do them or even accept them. I don't participate in scams, refuse to cheat people in a concerted effort and advocate against them when on the forums or confronted on such things in game. I actually do more for the scammers and cheats than I do for the 'honest' player in being that way. If it just became second nature to be a full fledged ******* in EVE with no integrity, what would set such a person apart from the other 399,999 people playing?
"I'm a scamming thief in EVE Online" Yea, so what, get in line behind the other half a million scamming thieves in EVE online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
819
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:11:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Their feelings are misplaced. So I could give a f**k about their "feelings."
You seem to think you have the winning argument here. Placing a strong emotional investment into pixels is not healthy behavior. Well if you don't give a fck about their feelings, why should they give a fck about yours and not call you a psycho? Placing strong emotional attachment on your in-game activities is not a healthy behavior. You got kicked off your debate team, didn't you? Parroting is not an effective arguing technique, especially when you're trying to compare apples or oranges.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
695
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:21:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:You got kicked off your debate team, didn't you? Parroting is not an effective arguing technique, especially when you're trying to compare apples or oranges.
Having to resort to personal attacks eh? I'm sure you learned all about that on your debate team, yes?
It is you who are trying to make apples and oranges. You are placing an emotional attachment on your in-game activites and being upset when someone calls you names. As if they should care about your feelings. Yet you your self have stated you care nothing about theirs. If you don't see the contradiction there, that isn't my problem, it is yours.
"Moooomy, someone called me names cause I blew up his space ship, make him stop!"
Yeah, good luck with that. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
819
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:27:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:It is you who are trying to make apples and oranges. You are placing an emotional attachment on your in-game activites and being upset when someone calls you names. As if they should care about your feelings. Yet you your self have stated you care nothing about theirs. If you don't see the contradiction there, that isn't my problem, it is yours. So what is your actual stance here. You're just trolling, as far as I can tell.
Do you believe that anyone who ganks Hulks is a sociopath or not?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
695
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:So what is your actual stance here. You're just trolling, as far as I can tell.
Do you believe that anyone who ganks Hulks is a sociopath or not?
Trolling? Hrm, I'm enjoying a moral debate. If my exposing your contradictory position makes me a troll, then you owe me three goats.
As for your question, I don't. Some one else might however. If you can't handle that, too bad, get over it, just like they had to get over loosing a ship. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
819
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:47:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Having to resort to personal attacks eh? Did I hurt your feelings? I, of course, care about your feelings and did not realize you'd take my ad hominem attack to heart.
Adunh Slavy wrote:... loosing a ship. This isn't a debate about "feelings" though. It's about labels and over-generalizing. I make no comments about feelings in the OP. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
695
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Posted - 2012.04.22 06:49:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Did I hurt your feelings? I, of course, care about your feelings and did not realize you'd take my ad hominem attack to heart.
Aww, that's cute.
Poetic Stanziel wrote: This isn't a debate about "feelings" though. It's about labels and over-generalizing. I make no comments about feelings in the OP.
So? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.22 07:25:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote:The Golden Rule is not the be-all-end-all of moral philosophy. It's not even a very good rule in real life since it more often than not leads to situations where either choice violates the Rule.
It also never took into account the possibilities of a virtual world where antisocial behavior is practically encouraged.
You seem to be adamant on dismissing the personal responsibility of the offended party. They don't exist in a vacuum, the universe around them does not know about their emotional state or investment into the game and even then hardly anyone would care. EvE "society" if you can call it that is inherently clannish in nature which means "Screw everyone else who doesn't belong to my circle of friends!" Everyone playing the game should well be aware of that fact so being upset about getting scammed or blown up is silly at best and irrational at worst.
dont think im taking morality lessons from a Goon
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:As for you asking them or whatever, that's up to you. If you do not care about their feelings, why would you ask in the first place? Their feelings are misplaced. So I could give a f**k about their "feelings." You seem to think you have the winning argument here. Placing a strong emotional investment into pixels is not healthy behaviour.
Your contradictions are more telling about your unbalanced mental state than anything else.
Adunh Slavy wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:So what is your actual stance here. You're just trolling, as far as I can tell.
Do you believe that anyone who ganks Hulks is a sociopath or not?
Trolling? Hrm, I'm enjoying a moral debate. If my exposing your contradictory position makes me a troll, then you owe me three goats. As for your question, I don't. Some one else might however. If you can't handle that, too bad, get over it, just like they had to get over loosing a ship.
Dont you know? Unless you agree you are a troll.
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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.22 07:33:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Dont think im taking morality lessons from a Goon. Why? Do you believe that their in-game actions affect their out-of-game morality? That their in-game actions are a reflection of how they go about their daily lives?
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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.22 07:35:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Your contradictions are more telling about your unbalanced mental state than anything else. What would those contradictions be?
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
606
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Posted - 2012.04.22 07:53:00 -
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It wouldn't really come as a surprise if you guys (Sigurd, Adunh to name a few) regularly gets prescription painkillers with the amount of butthurt you display in each and single one of your posts.
No wonder you are so mad... it's like a thorn in your ass that you can't quite reach and yank out. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3428
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Posted - 2012.04.22 08:31:00 -
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Christ almighty, 10 pages of posts and all because people are mad about losing a damb pixel spaceship to another player in a game about blowing up pixel spaceships.
Yes it is.
Look, this goes through cycles. First (I say "first"; I actually mean "when I first encountered it") it was because the other guy was an immature teenager. Later, the fashion became to say it was because they were sexual abuse victims working out their problems. A while after that, they were "basement dwellers" who only managed to get the better of you because they played 20 hours a day. Now it's because they're sociopaths who are mentally ill and incapable of caring about others.
I'm not sure what the next excuse for losing an untanked ship while you were AFK will be, although I am sure it will be something that makes the other guy a bad, sad or mentally deficient person. It's an Olympic year and a lot of Americans play EVE, so maybe we'll see the narrative shift from "sociopath" to "performance enchancing drugs"?
Just. *******. Accept. That. You. Lost.
Oh but of course, that will never be an option Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Francisco Bizzaro
39
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Posted - 2012.04.22 09:26:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I'm not sure what the next excuse for losing an untanked ship while you were AFK will be, although I am sure it will be something that makes the other guy a bad, sad or mentally deficient person. It's an Olympic year and a lot of Americans play EVE, so maybe we'll see the narrative shift from "sociopath" to "performance enchancing drugs"?
Just. *******. Accept. That. You. Lost. Is it possible that we are witnessing Eve's first incident of 'roid rage?
Anyhow, well said.
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Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
2
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Posted - 2012.04.22 09:35:00 -
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[quote=Poetic Stanziel This cannot be described as anything other than real psychopathic behaviour. These two individuals targeted another player with the express goal of convincing that person to spend hard-earned money, money that person likely would not have spent on GTCs otherwise
[u] so that they could profit from his real-world loss.[/u
Not too mention that they revelled in their target's losses afterwards, especially the fact that they convinced the player to spend real money on their eventual scam
That is reprehensible behaviour. It is psychopathic behaviour. Nothing virtual about it.[/quote
Good read btw - but just like to pick up on on point ....^^ that one....
the scammers profited from the deal in-game so they did not affect his real life - if what you wrote in your post is what you believe in. Did they then change the modules gained into rl money and run off cackling with delight into the night? Because reasoning states that this is the only way they could profit for the loss in real life Of course they had to affect the person in-game to effect the purchase - and the pressure felt by the recipient was "real" enough to do something about it ...which in this case was spend rl money to produce the required result. His choice..
Sorry - your premise is flawed
Whether virtual or real - the psychological factors that drive people to do what they want to do are inherent in the person. This is what they would do and possibly do do in real life. The difference is sociological guidelines as laid down by our parents/communities and legal consequences stop them doing it. My example is Chribba - how has he managed to gain the respect and trust of the community if he wasn't like that in RL
Consider that there are also people in other parts of the world that consider that there is nothing wrong with scamming and causing distress. They are "wired" that way and have not the same moral compass as we do
Doesn't matter whether it is virtual or not - they would still do it. And anonymity is a bonus because they will not have consequences
You are what you are, whether anonymous or not.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
696
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:03:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:It wouldn't really come as a surprise if you guys (Sigurd, Adunh to name a few) regularly gets prescription painkillers with the amount of butthurt you display in each and single one of your posts.
No wonder you are so mad... it's like a thorn in your ass that you can't quite reach and yank out.
/snort
If anyone appears mad it is you and your childish display of insults and other bull ****. So here, have some of what appears to be reasonable discussion, **** off rl psycho! LOL. Go club some baby seals. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
696
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Christ almighty, 10 pages of posts and all because people are mad about losing a damb pixel spaceship to another player in a game about blowing up pixel spaceships.
The funny thing here is the, I assume gankers, are whining about being called names. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
40
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:23:00 -
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Ok Kids, Imagine this, imagine you are in a magic spaceship, you fly around shooting everyone but when they shoot back nothing happens to your ship, you say to yourself "man this is great". But after a few days something seems to be missing, its not fun anymore, soon afterwards you either quit Eve or suicide the ship. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
606
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:34:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:It wouldn't really come as a surprise if you guys (Sigurd, Adunh to name a few) regularly gets prescription painkillers with the amount of butthurt you display in each and single one of your posts.
No wonder you are so mad... it's like a thorn in your ass that you can't quite reach and yank out. /snort If anyone appears mad it is you and your childish display of insults and other bull ****. So here, have some of what appears to be reasonable discussion, **** off rl psycho! LOL. Go club some baby seals.
There, there, no need to get upset and angry. Ask your doctor to prescribe you some ritalin next time you pick up your prescription for painkillers, that should help you calm down.
Why club innocent animals when I can club the likes of you and have you go batshit insane on a forum?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
696
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:38:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:There, there, no need to get upset and angry. Ask your doctor to prescribe you some ritalin next time you pick up your prescription for painkillers, that should help you calm down.
Why club innocent animals when I can club the likes of you and have you go batshit insane on a forum?
Haha, yeah whatever you say. You have to start in with the insults and when thrown back in your face, you have nothing but the same tired crap. Grow up little boy. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
606
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:45:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:There, there, no need to get upset and angry. Ask your doctor to prescribe you some ritalin next time you pick up your prescription for painkillers, that should help you calm down.
Why club innocent animals when I can club the likes of you and have you go batshit insane on a forum?
Haha, yeah whatever you say. You have to start in with the insults and when thrown back in your face, you have nothing but the same tired crap. Grow up little boy.
The irony is strong here; you want me to grow up when you don't contribute much either than with poor generalizing with a insult thrown in here and there for good measure. Do your doctor a favor and jump off a bridge, but ask someone to film it so they can put it on youtube. I'll make sure to hit 'like'. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
696
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:46:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: The irony is strong here; you want me to grow up when you don't contribute much either than with poor generalizing with a insult thrown in here and there for good measure. Do your doctor a favor and jump off a bridge, but ask someone to film it so they can put it on youtube. I'll make sure to hit 'like'.
So you are encouraging suicide? We know how well that worked out for the last person. |
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