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Eeks	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:31:00 - [1] Is this better to mine than ark per hr.? Also does anyone know if there are any tools out there that can give this info? thanks
Clansworth Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:39:00 - [2] Probably not.. but your best tool would be a calculator. Figure out how much m¦/min of arkonor you can mine. igure out how much m¦/mercoxit you can mine, figure out the refined products and price/min.. the higher one wins. (usually arkonor). System Influence
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:58:00 - [3] Edited by: Raymon James on 29/01/2009 01:59:32 Originally by: Clansworth Probably not.. . Bzzzt wrong http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ just plug your local market data for the refined minerals in top to see whats worth what.
Dedaf Gallente United Brothers Of Eve Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.29 07:24:00 - [4] Edited by: Dedaf on 29/01/2009 07:24:59 this tool that i have build can tell you just that. and it will import todays mineral prices to give you the up to date info on what is best to mine. try it out here ------- Ore & Ice Mining T1 & Capital & Rig Production POS Fueling and Reaction Minerals to Ore calculator
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.01.29 12:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Raymon James Edited by: Raymon James on 29/01/2009 01:59:32 Originally by: Clansworth Probably not.. . Bzzzt wrong http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ just plug your local market data for the refined minerals in top to see whats worth what. To be fair, any time from 2 years ago to 2-3 months ago, he would have been correct. It's only the crash in zyd/mega/nocx prices since the Orca's release that has changed this. 'usually' it's not. At the moment, it is. Always worth keeping up to date on the value per m3 of various ores if you are mining though, as they do change over time.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.29 12:28:00 - [6] I think you guys are forgetting that Mercoxit mining gear is a good deal slower than regular mining gear. Mercoxit needs to be significantly more valuable than ABC per m3 since you're going to mine Mercoxit at such a slow rate. On Exhumers with Exhumers V, the m3 yield mining ABC with a Hulk is something like 1.62x compared to Mercoxit on a Skiff, and 1.90x compared to Mercoxit on another Hulk.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.01.29 12:29:00 - [7] When doing calculation for it, take into consideration that lasers that can mine it have a bit lower yield than the 'regular' lasers used for crock/ark/bist. So just comparing cubic meter to cubic meter value is not entirely correct in this case.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.01.29 12:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 29/01/2009 13:05:33 Originally by: Verite Rendition I think you guys are forgetting that Mercoxit mining gear is a good deal slower than regular mining gear. Mercoxit needs to be significantly more valuable than ABC per m3 since you're going to mine Mercoxit at such a slow rate. On Exhumers with Exhumers V, the m3 yield mining ABC with a Hulk is something like 1.62x compared to Mercoxit on a Skiff, and 1.90x compared to Mercoxit on another Hulk. You know, I remembered that, then I forgot it again mid post. You get 44% more with non deep core mining so Mercoxit would need to be 44% more valuable to be the same value per minute. That actually places Arkanor only fractionally more valuable than Mercoxit.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 29/01/2009 13:26:16 Originally by: Lord Fitz Edited by: Lord Fitz on 29/01/2009 13:05:33 Originally by: Verite Rendition I think you guys are forgetting that Mercoxit mining gear is a good deal slower than regular mining gear. Mercoxit needs to be significantly more valuable than ABC per m3 since you're going to mine Mercoxit at such a slow rate. On Exhumers with Exhumers V, the m3 yield mining ABC with a Hulk is something like 1.62x compared to Mercoxit on a Skiff, and 1.90x compared to Mercoxit on another Hulk. You know, I remembered that, then I forgot it again mid post. You get 44% more with non deep core mining so Mercoxit would need to be 44% more valuable to be the same value per minute. That actually places Arkanor only fractionally more valuable than Mercoxit. Your math (or your data sources) are still off. If I give you 2000/2900/8400 for Zyd/Mega/Morph respectively, we get 338/367/405/445 per m3 for C/B/A/M. That puts Mercoxit at less than 10% more valuable than Arkonor per m3, and even compared to Crokite it's only 31% more valuable. This places ABC at being significantly more valuable than Mercoxit. Your 44% difference is wrong too, at least when we're talking about Exhumers. It would need to be more than 44%.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.01.29 14:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 29/01/2009 14:21:16 Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 29/01/2009 13:29:31 Your math (or your data sources) are still off. If I give you 2000/2900/8400 for Zyd/Mega/Morph respectively, we get 338/367/405/445 per m3 for C/B/A/M. That puts Mercoxit at less than 10% more valuable than Arkonor per m3, and even compared to Crokite it's only 31% more valuable. This places ABC at being significantly more valuable than Mercoxit. I didn't do math I have a program that works out the value. It's obviously as good as the data, and when I updated prices 1 week ago, the average sell price for megacyte was only 2370. It's risen 22% in the last 7 days . Zyd has also risen very minimally. Morphite has also dropped quite abit. These two distorted the data, such change in one week is unusual without heavy manipulation and subsequent correction. (Though megacyte was at fairly historic lows). Quote: Your 44% difference is wrong too, at least when we're talking about Exhumers. It would need to be more than 44%. I'm pretty sure 62% would be correct if we're comparing a Hulk to a Skiff and factoring in the fact that we can't mine half a unit of rock. That was actually not talking about Exhumers. With Exhumers, it's less difference, not more. Ignoring what is the same regardless (non-exhumer / barge skills - crystals) Deep Core Strip Miner (250 units + 250 units = 500 units) Modulated Strip Miner II (360 + 360 units = 720 units) That would be 44% more. In a skiff vs hulk race, the skiff gets a 60% per level bonus. Skiff @ Exhumers V 5004 (300% bonus) =2000 m3/min Hulk @ Exhumers V =7201.15 (15% bonus) * 3 turrets = 2484 m3/min This is only 24% more valuable mercoxit needs to be before it carries the same value as Arkanor if you have skiff vs hulk. With only level 4 exhumers, it's much more at 42%. (skiff loses a 60% bonus while the hulk only loses 3%). That you can't mine half a unit of rock also, makes little difference, and also could count against the hulk as much as the skiff. The Skiff will mine everything with the one laser, this means that it will only lose at most 1 unit to rounding. The hulk could lose 3 to rounding, even though they are smaller. Even so, units lost to rounding are going to be a single % difference at most. Given the fall in the price of morphite, and the rise in price of zyd/mega in the last week. It's fair to say that last week, a skiff with exhumers V, would have been better off mining Mercoxit, for the first time in a long time. Possibly why the market corrected this week. At the moment, it's certainly not though.

Eeks	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:44:00 - [11] So in general it's never within the top 3?
Sanaya Sien Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Lord Fitz Deep Core Strip Miner (250 units + 250 units = 500 units) Modulated Strip Miner II (360 + 360 units = 720 units) That's not how it works, you don't add 360+360, it's 360 without crystals and if you use a crystal it's 360*(crystal bonus).
Cerlestes Caldari Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:20:00 - [13] Tbh: I don't know why, since my maths were right, but I'm doing much more money mining Crokite than Mercoxit, even with maxed skills for both. (made about 20m worth of Merc in 2-3 hours, about 30m mining crokite in one hour.) So I'd say youre better with not mining mercoxit, even if the numbers are saying something different :P cerl
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.30 01:55:00 - [14] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 30/01/2009 01:56:24 Originally by: Lord Fitz Edited by: Lord Fitz on 29/01/2009 14:21:16 Given the fall in the price of morphite, and the rise in price of zyd/mega in the last week. It's fair to say that last week, a skiff with exhumers V, would have been better off mining Mercoxit, for the first time in a long time. Possibly why the market corrected this week. At the moment, it's certainly not though. No, you would have still been worse off. I don't know where you pull your data from, but Morphite has been stable at absurdly low prices (< 10K/unit) for quite some time, and its slide has matched that of Zydrine and Megacyte. Mining Mercoxit has not been more profitable than ABC in years. And your math is still wrong, largely because you're failing to take in to account crystals. Mercoxit crystals have a much lower multiplier than regular ore crystals (1.375 vs 1.75). Fools mine Mercoxit, the aforementioned fools and the drone regions seem to supply more than enough Morphite to keep prices clinically depressed. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Shadowschild	Posted - 2009.01.30 05:14:00 - [15] Speaking from personal experience, you would first have to be part of an alliance that holds 0.0 space. Not part of an alliance that rents space from a large force. The most lucrative belts are heavily guarded & locked down. Now, even if you manage to mine the asteroids consider the risk vs reward. In belts that have morphite your dealing with serious npc rats, the hardest eve can dish out. True negative security status. Morphite's market price is also low, so the risk is too high for the reward imo.
Tandin The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.30 17:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Shadowschild Speaking from personal experience, you would first have to be part of an alliance that holds 0.0 space. Not part of an alliance that rents space from a large force. The most lucrative belts are heavily guarded & locked down. Now, even if you manage to mine the asteroids consider the risk vs reward. In belts that have morphite your dealing with serious npc rats, the hardest eve can dish out. True negative security status. Morphite's market price is also low, so the risk is too high for the reward imo. Anybody that's hulk mining in 0.0 should have the skills and fittings to tank the belt rats, even temporarily while you align to escape. You should also have local up 23/7 while mining. Oh, and you're neglecting hidden ark/bistot belts which can spawn in any 0.0 system.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.01.30 18:36:00 - [17] somehow i doubt that last part. i'm no harcore miner but i always had the impression that the "group" of ore in that region remains the same for the region, just that hidden belts "shift" the true-sec a bit....? - putting the gist back into logistics
gnomer Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2009.01.30 18:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Roemy Schneider somehow i doubt that last part. i'm no harcore miner but i always had the impression that the "group" of ore in that region remains the same for the region, just that hidden belts "shift" the true-sec a bit....? No hidden belts have ore that is significantly better than the security rating. I have mined Gneiss in a hidden 0.4 belt, and got crokite in -0.2 sec space (again hidden), where the normal best ore is hed.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.01.30 20:26:00 - [19] well yes, what i was trying to say is... no arkonor in the northern regions, no crokite in the south etc. ever. - putting the gist back into logistics
Tandin The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Roemy Schneider well yes, what i was trying to say is... no arkonor in the northern regions, no crokite in the south etc. ever. I've gotten tons of Ark/bistot belts in the Vale and Deklein so this definitely isn't true.

Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.01.31 04:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Roemy Schneider well yes, what i was trying to say is... no arkonor in the northern regions, no crokite in the south etc. ever. This isn't right. But there is plenty of northern space with only Crokite, where in the south there would be Bistot. You can still find some arkonor in the best northern systems, but there's a very good chance it (and the little bistot that is there) gets mined out on spawn day. Leaving just Crokite. Depending on how carebearish your alliance is that could go too, leaving just Gneiss or Mercoxit.


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