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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:29:00 -
[181]
 Originally by: Cattegirn
Is anything about the "victory" within Eve? Or is this essentially a meta-game hack? I tend to think that if game mechanic tools, like the alliance management UI, e.g., are "fair game" as far as inter-alliance warfare, the gameplay is bypassed entirely.
What is the difference after all between offering a hostile alliance *in-game* the services of your account's access rights to alliance management tools within the game and simply giving away your character for the same purpose? It is precisely the same thing as gaining account access to a hostile char and using your time in their account to disband their corporation and sell all their assets at a dollar to your own. The only difference is who pushes the keys, but the "mover" (the motivating force) is the same and both are "meta-hacks" of the game interface.
It is a hack, a simple accounting trick. It has about as much to do with the Eve Universe as accessing server privileges and going from there.
What would stop any director from potentially selling their account services for real dollars for similar stunts in the future?
The alliance management tools and the game mechanic (e.g., naming of alliances, corps etc.) are there to help *players* (not *characters*) manage their game, not decide inter-alliance wars.
For what it's worth...
BoB like many empires before them both ingame and in rl was brought down by a discontened member who decided that the best way to voice his unhappyness was to be a traitor in the ranks with access to all the tools needed to do the deed and get away clean with the added insult of selling out to the goons for maximum lulz. Working as intended.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Navtiqes
Englebarna
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:29:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Navtiqes on 05/02/2009 08:29:51
If you're going to take a **** all over this milestone in EVE history, first consider the T20 event. Why they weren't closed back then is beyond me.
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:32:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Navtiqes
Edited by: Navtiqes on 05/02/2009 08:29:51
If you're going to take a **** all over this milestone in EVE history, first consider the T20 event. Why they weren't closed back then is beyond me.
If you dont understand that ur a brainless noob, that was a personal cheat, had nothing to do with the alliance, he used it for personal advantage.
So wait this is the end of my post allready?
Moooooobbbbiiiiiieeeeeesssss |
Cattegirn
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:35:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Cattegirn on 05/02/2009 08:36:45
Quote:
Zeba: like many empires before them both ingame and in rl
Zeba
No, it is a manipulation of the game control/ownership mechanic. Renaming labels on maps does precious little in real life.
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Navtiqes
Englebarna
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:40:00 -
[185]
Anything you do reflects back on your corp/alliance. Doesn't matter if he did it for himself, because if it benifit him it benifit his corp. And even if it happened only one time, it's still foul play and should be met with zero tolerance.
Just in the same way as one guy would ruin the good standing of his entire corp if he went around dishonouring ransoms or 1v1s. |
Ebon Rue
1st Steps Academy
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:45:00 -
[186]
Even in vid games, you reap what you sow.
Is anybody else slightly reminded about George Orwell's book, "Animal Farm"? More specifically, how it ended?
Will this end the emo posts about the T20 Incident?
Such a huge shift in the political landscape will be interesting... I was momentarily worried that the goons would 'win' eve with this, but after some thought I now predict that ANY entity will collapse in Eve in some way once they reach a certain level of power. Lets call that point critical mass.
Bob is gone, now how will the swarm hold themselves together?
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Serpensis
Gallente
Value Added Traders
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:45:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Serpensis on 05/02/2009 08:46:04
I wonder if Sir Molle is having a bad day today?
Ta en fika, ta`re lugnt gossen :D
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"Fear accompanies the possibility of death,
calm sheperds its certainty." |
rubico1337
Caldari
nefarious badgers inc
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:47:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Lazyeye Larry
Originally by: ENNDonation
If this holds, it is truly EPIC
There's nothing EPIC about this... IF Goon had implanted someone into BoB with the intention of getting director status on the holding corp of the alliance in order to disband it then yes, it would be epic. However, having a bored jerk just "hand over the keys" to BoB is not epic at all. This wasn't planned, it wasn't anyone's idea ahead of time.
"Hey, look at me, I'm a director"
"No wai! Prove it!"
--gives access to forums--
"Neat, hey.. wanna disband crap I guess?"
"Umm.. sure."
Totally not epic at all. 
THIS
Originally by: Blind Man
okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener |
Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Free Ammatar Aid Organisation
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:07:00 -
[189]
ROFL!
Ah, i so hope all this is true. It will be funny to see what happens in the resulting power vacuum in the ex-BoB territories now.
As mittani said on his mp3, if they were nicer to it's members this kind of thing probably wouldn't happen (as much).
I will be grabbing some popcorn and watching the forums with great interest today.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Free Ammatar Aid Organisation
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:10:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Lazyeye Larry
Originally by: ENNDonation
If this holds, it is truly EPIC
There's nothing EPIC about this... IF Goon had implanted someone into BoB with the intention of getting director status on the holding corp of the alliance in order to disband it then yes, it would be epic. However, having a bored jerk just "hand over the keys" to BoB is not epic at all. This wasn't planned, it wasn't anyone's idea ahead of time.
"Hey, look at me, I'm a director"
"No wai! Prove it!"
--gives access to forums--
"Neat, hey.. wanna disband crap I guess?"
"Umm.. sure."
Totally not epic at all.
On the contrary, maybe the deeds that were done by themselves were nothing special but the effect it will have on EVE is truelly epic.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:10:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Maria Kalista on 05/02/2009 09:11:21
Originally by: rubico1337
Originally by: Lazyeye Larry
Originally by: ENNDonation
If this holds, it is truly EPIC
There's nothing EPIC about this... IF Goon had implanted someone into BoB with the intention of getting director status on the holding corp of the alliance in order to disband it then yes, it would be epic. However, having a bored jerk just "hand over the keys" to BoB is not epic at all. This wasn't planned, it wasn't anyone's idea ahead of time.
"Hey, look at me, I'm a director"
"No wai! Prove it!"
--gives access to forums--
"Neat, hey.. wanna disband crap I guess?"
"Umm.. sure."
Totally not epic at all.
THIS
The epicness lies not within the deed itself but in the results stemming from that.
Will be interesting to watch.
More popcorn please.
Edit: lol to Rhatar Khurin :P
Originally by: AkRoYeR
...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die!
Best game ever!
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Free Ammatar Aid Organisation
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:14:00 -
[192]
lol, you pretty much wrote the exact same thing as me Maria
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Zorinna
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:16:00 -
[193]
Start Reading Down From Here
the tl;dr version:
Assuming these Chat logs are accurate they show a few things
1. A Director of BoB's Executor corp 'defected' booted the member corps, took what assets were available and closed the Executor corp and therefore the Alliance (yes directors can do this, booting corps from an alliance is a simple right click and its instant)
2. As this character was present in many existing channels it was not a hack. (for the clueless if you log on in a 'new machine' you have to re add all your channels, including reentering passwords)
3. A corp was created named 'Band of Brothers' and joined Goonswarm. (this means an alliance with that name cannot be created)
4. Goonswarm now owns 'Band of Brothers'
5. Profit
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Kel'Tor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:22:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Zorinna
Start Reading Down From Here
the tl;dr version:
Assuming these Chat logs are accurate they show a few things
1. A Director of BoB's Executor corp 'defected' booted the member corps, took what assets were available and closed the Executor corp and therefore the Alliance (yes directors can do this, booting corps from an alliance is a simple right click and its instant)
2. As this character was present in many existing channels it was not a hack. (for the clueless if you log on in a 'new machine' you have to re add all your channels, including reentering passwords)
3. A corp was created named 'Band of Brothers' and joined Goonswarm. (this means an alliance with that name cannot be created)
4. Goonswarm now owns 'Band of Brothers'
5. Profit
6. Pathetic 
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ôDream no small dreams, for they have no power to move the hearts of men.ö |
Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:27:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Kel'Tor
6. Pathetic
7. Explain your inability to accept epic win 
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Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:30:00 -
[196]
I, for one thing, will not be running EveMon anymore until someone has taken a close look at the code. ;-)
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Kel'Tor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:42:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Hurtado Soneka
Originally by: Kel'Tor
6. Pathetic
7. Explain your inability to accept epic win
8. That...was owning not winning  |
Aradanil
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:53:00 -
[198]
Goonswarm member enters local and spits this out then leaves
RoyofCA > Happy victory over Bob day!
RoyofCA > Did ya hear? Goonswarm just won the biggest war in an mmo ever! Check your local news.
RoyofCA > Happy victory over Bob day!
... if thats a victory they must not know what a fight is...
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:55:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Aradanil
Goonswarm member enters local and spits this out then leaves
RoyofCA > Happy victory over Bob day!
RoyofCA > Did ya hear? Goonswarm just won the biggest war in an mmo ever! Check your local news.
RoyofCA > Happy victory over Bob day!
... if thats a victory they must not know what a fight is...
your so right just the other day i heard a few guys from the state war academy were gonna topple BoB themselves...
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Free Ammatar Aid Organisation
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:06:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Hurtado Soneka
Originally by: Aradanil
Goonswarm member enters local and spits this out then leaves
RoyofCA > Happy victory over Bob day!
RoyofCA > Did ya hear? Goonswarm just won the biggest war in an mmo ever! Check your local news.
RoyofCA > Happy victory over Bob day!
... if thats a victory they must not know what a fight is...
your so right just the other day i heard a few guys from the state war academy were gonna topple BoB themselves...
I wouldn't like to fight SWA tbh, they have probably 30% of all pilots in EVE under their flag. |
Thandrol
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:17:00 -
[201]
Eh, one more reason not to go looking for alliances again. Why go through the trouble when spies rip out everything from under you. Trust always was a joke in this game. This is like the big red button that starts armageddon for some.
Frankly, I hated Bob only slightly less than I hated Goons but, this really is lame on so many levels. It would be just as lame if Bob pulled and it was lame when both sides perpetrated lesser incidents in the past. It just seems to mock any effort on anyone's part. And I'm skeptical at best this was all above the table espionage just based on prior shenanigans from both parties.
I really don't see this as getting any better. It worked once, why not again eh? |
WAuter
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:22:00 -
[202]
The end of BOB means other alliances should be stick together to exterminate goonswarm |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:32:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Maria Kalista on 05/02/2009 10:32:42
Since the MP3 is being hammered on Eve-files, for those that missed the link: http://ants.planet.ee./eve/mittani.mp3
Originally by: AkRoYeR
...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die!
Best game ever!
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:33:00 -
[204]
Interesting times, I wish I could look into the future or be smart/close enough to power to predict it properly.
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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:36:00 -
[205]
God damm 
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ECHAeries
XxTiggerxX Corp
United Pod Service
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:40:00 -
[206]
*\o/* what a way to start the day. /me tips his hat to goons, good job guys
I reckon people should be camping the 0.0 - empire pipes full time to catch the masses of BoB and BoB pets that will be flooding out with all their shiny assests and their tails tucked between their legs
SparklesTheTranny > aeries will you marry me |
Kuranta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:41:00 -
[207]
Biggest drama bomb ever.
Could only been have topped with BoB beeing in in the final round of the alliance tournament before disbanding.
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Rakessh
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Xenotech Celestial Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:44:00 -
[208]
Mebbe they should allow corps to hold sov...
CEO Arachnea Phoenix Battalion |
Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:52:00 -
[209]
So... the bob member corps make a new alliance. takes a couple of minutes. Then they work on establishing sov in Delve again. Who, exactly, is going to stop them?
Maybe they can't be bothered, but if they want to there's no reason for this to be anything but a speed bump.
Let the sad goons have their couple of weeks of being winners. It won't last long, their natural position is at the bottom of the food chain. |
Fury1980
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:54:00 -
[210]
Edited by: Fury1980 on 05/02/2009 10:56:05
sorry but karma is a biznitch bob...all those loyal years dedicated to the gbc...and after what ya did....well this event has made my year.
what is this game without loylaty and honor...its children on powertrips thats what it is.
ps i still hate goons
ALT post btw |
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