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Tibrius Archer Minmatar Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:04:00 - [241] Originally by: Sakurako Kimino i just woner who will goons go after next, now this has been done does this mean the end of blob warfare now to get ride of a sov holding alliance all you need is a spy and then to cose the the alliance sov gone move in take space very cheap and very easy. so will goons now close all the alliance in the gbc and will it then do the same to the nc making itself the most powerfull alliance in the game. will they then tell all alliance look pay us or else will do this to you. you know they can. i wounder if the holding corp of goons have any directors left in it as they must make sure this can't happen to them. also we now know that goon could never kill bob anyother way if they could they would have. Nice post until the last fan boy line. Its so funny all the elite rhetoric bob pump out then this happened to them. At the end of the day its all role-play so we can relax. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
PlanetXMail Amarr Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:13:00 - [242] Edited by: PlanetXMail on 05/02/2009 19:15:21 I agree with BoB had it coming... i agree that blob warfare is flawed in terms of titans and DD and server crashes, both client and server side, and the lag... just to gain sov. So, what is left is to dismantle the alliance on a click of the 'alliance off switch', is yet another flaw or 'work around' in this case, of not liking POS warfare. YES, an this is BIG NEWS cuz of a major alliance is 'turned off' by the seemingly no timer Alliance OFF button. There are MANY issues here... I hope CCP takes notice, even if that means using a major alliance fall as an EXAMPLE that something is amiss. I don't care about BoB, I have no favoritisms, yes I know this is a GAME. But, EVE is one of the more realistic GAMES, and the reason why I play it and not WOW or EQ. (Not to smash those MMO's, they are not my preference. ) It is usually CCP good track record to obverse and deligate. This is up to CCP, but when I see the Influence map go from blue blob in lower left, to yellow (exe outcomes) in a matter of ONE downtime ( and the work of time as a spy ) still... I am sticking to me point... no timer... no warning... something is WRONG with the mechanics of this awesome game called EVE. Regardless, if BoB did such tactics and perfected it, only to teach Goons is an EPIC lesson of the art of war... But, now that things are even, if you want to took at it that way, BoB got what they did to other smaller alliances... fair is fair. Now CCP fix the problem... Still its good fun. And makes news. blah blah I'm done with this issue... just feel strongly something 'seems' wrong here. Game mechanics wise.
Dev Rom Caldari Masterminds Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:38:00 - [243] Originally by: Storm Spotter Is there honestly no eve mail or director level/share based vote with CEO approval? I know little of corp management but it sounds like it's easier for a director in an executor corp to kick out corps and disband an alliance than to war dec someone or unlock BPO's??? Combat Analyzer: CCP checks n balance fail And Soon(tm) we will see websites that sell the "Disband an alliance for 100$. Guarantee delivered next down time!" on their stores. Pretty terrible! I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky..
Dev Rom Caldari Masterminds Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:43:00 - [244] Originally by: Joe Martin Edited by: Joe Martin on 05/02/2009 09:24:52 Originally by: 128th ABC123 Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing. It's an entirely legitimate part to the game, and it's something I'm almost certain CCP had in mind when designing the game. Ignoring it, taking no precautions to prevent it, or just generally standing on your e-honor soapbox is a great way to get fcked over by it. We all know that spies exist, and with that in mind measures should be taken to limit those not adequately trusted as far as roles and permissions go. A certain degree of controlled paranoia is and should be necessary for all alliances. Most of all, it isn't that* random either. Either a spy has been deliberately placed with intent to cause damage, or a series of concurrent events will lead an alliance member with proper roles/permissions to take action against his own Alliance. I sincerely doubt that he woke up this morning like any other morning and just decided that he wanted to ruin BoB for no particular reason other than to be random. There were multiple failures on behalf of the BoB directorate that directly lead to the events that happened, and they have no one to blame but themselves. All correct and I agree to you. But I have to say that a simple botton connected on that director brain has deleted sov. Imho this is conceptual bug. What about other member opinion? Maybe the other corps would not agree to that decision and remain an alliance with their (small) pos? I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky..
Freezehunter Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:54:00 - [245] Edited by: Freezehunter on 05/02/2009 19:54:27 IMHO the game should not grant full power to screw up everything with only a single director role... Eve should require multiple inputs from multiple directors/CEOs for this kind of stuff to be possible... As for the problem of directors quitting the game, make it possible to bypass a director if he has not been online for more than a month... _________________________________________________ Yo mommah!
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:46:00 - [246] Originally by: Freezehunter Edited by: Freezehunter on 05/02/2009 19:54:27 IMHO the game should not grant full power to screw up everything with only a single director role... Eve should require multiple inputs from multiple directors/CEOs for this kind of stuff to be possible... As for the problem of directors quitting the game, make it possible to bypass a director if he has not been online for more than a month... You need to be a director in the executor corporation... as most alliances' executor corps are small holding corps it would be very difficult indeed to get a spy far enough in to pull this off. Congratulate the goons on pulling off an impossible stunt if you want but don't underestimate how hard it actually is to get access to pull the plug. However I totally agree that MIA directors/CEOs should have better solutions
Yourbane Minmatar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:48:00 - [247] Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p I mean seriously you guys took advantage of this random (I hope for you) story to put your name on it and make ppl think bob is over. Awesome - Now ppl tend to forget that BoB will run as fine without an Alliance around the corps as with it ... and if they lost BNC's assets they still surely have 75% of their assets, which means they still are rich enough to go back and claim any space they want - I never was a BoB fan, but it's so very nice to hear that for once they are completely free of the sovereignty ties and going for full war. Awesome - if goons actually 'did' this ... lol thanks guys, I'll go get my popcorn. And uh for people who think this was legit . very interesting so : A guy spends years and years in BoB to have the ultimate thrill of pressing 'the' button ... why not. But then how many 'serious' alliances have seen this happen ? Last time some in-game spying on a 'serious' alliance occured, they just downed a titan ... Guess what .. no proof yet and if goons are saying it's true and don't provide any proof .. well they're gooning again, and you know how it is when they do that, they're always wrong - and annoying ofc. but that's in the job description ^^ So I invite everyone to wait and see, and maybe bring all their alts at 0.0 choke points to make them drop (yeah if you go to see the war, u'll just turn it off), so we can see how goons handle bob one on one ^^
Stretchmeat Crotchquake Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:55:00 - [248] Originally by: Yourbane Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p haha what
Akthuul Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:26:00 - [249] The thing that I find most ******ed in this whole matter is that someone had full directorship in BOTH his own corp AND the HOLDING corp. Other than that, all the windging and whining and all that jazz that goes with it is just silly. Its very sad that it results in meta-gaming to ruin any alliance. I'm not pro-bob so don't bother throwing that in my face. I'm pro shooting anything that isnt blue :)
Sakurako Kimino Caldari OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:30:00 - [250] Originally by: Tibrius Archer Originally by: Sakurako Kimino i just woner who will goons go after next, now this has been done does this mean the end of blob warfare now to get ride of a sov holding alliance all you need is a spy and then to cose the the alliance sov gone move in take space very cheap and very easy. so will goons now close all the alliance in the gbc and will it then do the same to the nc making itself the most powerfull alliance in the game. will they then tell all alliance look pay us or else will do this to you. you know they can. i wounder if the holding corp of goons have any directors left in it as they must make sure this can't happen to them. also we now know that goon could never kill bob anyother way if they could they would have. Nice post until the last fan boy line. Its so funny all the elite rhetoric bob pump out then this happened to them. At the end of the day its all role-play so we can relax. yes it is all role play but it was on a fan boy line, think of this why would you close an strong alliance like bob when you can wipe the floor with them and make them beg to get there stuff out of 0.0 safely. personal i think bob corps will reform under a newname then go after goons. -But we will have to wait and see if i'm right p.s. who said i was a boy
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:33:00 - [251] You do realise that BoB was disbanded in-game? How is it meta gaming that a director finds the culture inside BoB so horrible and arrogant that he not only wants to leave, but he's prepared to do damage as well. Friendly and fun environment > BoB http://obeythekitten.com/
chrisss0r Minmatar Havoc Violence and Chaos The Church.	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:06:00 - [252] The Power of the Capsuleer For he can determine the fait of billions.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:08:00 - [253] Originally by: Yourbane Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p I mean seriously you guys took advantage of this random (I hope for you) story to put your name on it and make ppl think bob is over. Awesome - Now ppl tend to forget that BoB will run as fine without an Alliance around the corps as with it ... and if they lost BNC's assets they still surely have 75% of their assets, which means they still are rich enough to go back and claim any space they want - I never was a BoB fan, but it's so very nice to hear that for once they are completely free of the sovereignty ties and going for full war. Awesome - if goons actually 'did' this ... lol thanks guys, I'll go get my popcorn. And uh for people who think this was legit . very interesting so : A guy spends years and years in BoB to have the ultimate thrill of pressing 'the' button ... why not. But then how many 'serious' alliances have seen this happen ? Last time some in-game spying on a 'serious' alliance occured, they just downed a titan ... Guess what .. no proof yet and if goons are saying it's true and don't provide any proof .. well they're gooning again, and you know how it is when they do that, they're always wrong - and annoying ofc. but that's in the job description ^^ So I invite everyone to wait and see, and maybe bring all their alts at 0.0 choke points to make them drop (yeah if you go to see the war, u'll just turn it off), so we can see how goons handle bob one on one ^^ your rationalizations are yet another hilarious example of the inherent flaws in human cognition ^_^
Fragito Gallente Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:11:00 - [254] Why does everyone go to meta gaming. Do not post before reading the entirety of this thread; repetitive posting and irrelevant information is cumbersome to read. It has been clearly shown (not proved) that a higher-level director turned on his own and disbanded the alliance, but then we cannot dismiss the possibility that this director was an alt, which would then reconstitute the chance of spying; one heck of a good showing for a spy. There is no apparent information, and absolutely no proof, that any hacking or account sharing has occurred, although evidence on this is not available to the general EVE population. Is the disbanding of Band of Brothers good or bad for the greater EVE community? Any response given by me will be regarded as biased, as I am part of the Goonswarm side of things, but I believe it will be beneficial. There will be less fights won by shear numbers or amount of titans; this game was approaching the point where the superpower alliance could drop multiple titans and theoretically doomsday a cap fleet. There are still hostilities ongoing in 0.0, and the mad rush into the abandoned space for sovereignty is only going to spark new conflicts over moons, constellations and stations. This is a game that is mostly played for its PvP aspect, regardless of the last couple of industrial favored patches and expansions, and alliances and coalitions will find something to fight over. Band of Brothers is probably gone (pending review), but this does not mean their allegiance has been severed. Yes, market prices will rise in certain regions due to the loss of the farmers that Band of Brothers controlled or protected, depends on your perception. They might be retaken and restored, who knows, but it will make for an interesting year. - Fragito
Sidis Aran Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:39:00 - [255] So I was in NOL and I heard something happened to the Band of Brothers player alliance, can anyone confirm this? All I seen were a bunch of neutral pilots.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:24:00 - [256] Originally by: Sidis Aran So I was in NOL and I heard something happened to the Band of Brothers player alliance, can anyone confirm this? All I seen were a bunch of neutral pilots. Way to miss 9 pages of discussion. I completely agree with the post before the above tho. Also - to those who complain that this is an underhanded tactic. Yes, it is. But come on, is there seriously anyother alliance that could field as many ships as BoB? As far as i know, no. So why would you fight a conventional, unwinnable war when you can pick your fights and behead the command structure or cripple the communication structure - which is essentially what they did, using a turn-coat.
Jack Gilligan Caldari Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:36:00 - [257] All I can say is that inarguably, today was one of the biggest events in the history of EVE. And proof of how awesome the sandbox game concept is when players, not developers, are allowed to run things. :) I am looking forward to the fights that will come of this. BOB may be dead, but "the alliance formerly known as BOB" isn't, many good fights ahead for us all to enjoy. --- My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:38:00 - [258] Originally by: Jack Gilligan All I can say is that inarguably, today was one of the biggest events in the history of EVE. And proof of how awesome the sandbox game concept is when players, not developers, are allowed to run things. :) I am looking forward to the fights that will come of this. BOB may be dead, but "the alliance formerly known as BOB" isn't, many good fights ahead for us all to enjoy. There you go. New cool name. "The Alliance formerly known as BoB" AFB? AFK? etc.
Sekundar Burnes Caldari Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:55:00 - [259] Originally by: Aaron Kyoto I completely agree with the post before the above tho. Also - to those who complain that this is an underhanded tactic. Yes, it is. But come on, is there seriously anyother alliance that could field as many ships as BoB? As far as i know, no. So why would you fight a conventional, unwinnable war when you can pick your fights and behead the command structure or cripple the communication structure - which is essentially what they did, using a turn-coat. I don't think its an underhanded tactic, all evidence so far makes it look legitimate and not all that different from stuff that's gone on before. This certainly points out a need to overhaul the alliance administration interface. If it doesn't get fixed we're going to see a few more of these bombs get tossed, and that can't be good. Ask yourself: are you willing to go to the trouble to build a huge alliance knowing that all it takes is one person, one time, to instantly disable it?
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:05:00 - [260] Originally by: Sekundar Burnes Originally by: Aaron Kyoto I completely agree with the post before the above tho. Also - to those who complain that this is an underhanded tactic. Yes, it is. But come on, is there seriously anyother alliance that could field as many ships as BoB? As far as i know, no. So why would you fight a conventional, unwinnable war when you can pick your fights and behead the command structure or cripple the communication structure - which is essentially what they did, using a turn-coat. I don't think its an underhanded tactic, all evidence so far makes it look legitimate and not all that different from stuff that's gone on before. This certainly points out a need to overhaul the alliance administration interface. If it doesn't get fixed we're going to see a few more of these bombs get tossed, and that can't be good. Ask yourself: are you willing to go to the trouble to build a huge alliance knowing that all it takes is one person, one time, to instantly disable it? Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's not a ligitimate way to behead an alliance. I just mean it's not a conventional style of warefare. It's like political assassination, exept someone is actually claiming they did it.
Cpt Underpants Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:06:00 - [261] Originally by: Aaron Kyoto There you go. New cool name. "The Alliance formerly known as BoB" AFB? AFK? etc. It's already being referred to as either TAFKAB or TAFKA-Bob.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:07:00 - [262] Originally by: Cpt Underpants Originally by: Aaron Kyoto There you go. New cool name. "The Alliance formerly known as BoB" AFB? AFK? etc. It's already being referred to as either TAFKAB or TAFKA-Bob. Haha, better than what i came up with, at least it can be pronounced.. Taff-cab. Lawl.
Elecktra Blue Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:11:00 - [263] Originally by: Yourbane Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p I mean seriously you guys took advantage of this random (I hope for you) story to put your name on it and make ppl think bob is over. Awesome - Now ppl tend to forget that BoB will run as fine without an Alliance around the corps as with it ... and if they lost BNC's assets they still surely have 75% of their assets, which means they still are rich enough to go back and claim any space they want - I never was a BoB fan, but it's so very nice to hear that for once they are completely free of the sovereignty ties and going for full war. Awesome - if goons actually 'did' this ... lol thanks guys, I'll go get my popcorn. And uh for people who think this was legit . very interesting so : A guy spends years and years in BoB to have the ultimate thrill of pressing 'the' button ... why not. But then how many 'serious' alliances have seen this happen ? Last time some in-game spying on a 'serious' alliance occured, they just downed a titan ... Guess what .. no proof yet and if goons are saying it's true and don't provide any proof .. well they're gooning again, and you know how it is when they do that, they're always wrong - and annoying ofc. but that's in the job description ^^ So I invite everyone to wait and see, and maybe bring all their alts at 0.0 choke points to make them drop (yeah if you go to see the war, u'll just turn it off), so we can see how goons handle bob one on one ^^ Hmm, you are in FTZ, so your opinion does not really count unless you paid for that service from TCF.
yani dumyat Minmatar Connoisseurs Of Hallucination Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:03:00 - [264] It's ridiculous that one person should be able to bring down a massive institution overnight. CCP please nerf the global banking system to make sure this never happens again....oh wait.
Commander Ashik Minmatar We See Dead People	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:20:00 - [265] I say Congrats to the Goons. They had the balls to pull this off. They shouldn't be ashamed of themselves for giving BoB a dose of its own medicine. If anything, they should be applauded. BoB FTL & Goons FTW!
cheese monkey Minmatar SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:24:00 - [266] I guess it depends on how you wana play the game. I hated BoB, but they were the best. I mean look at everything they did! They werent doing too great anyways so goonz didnt have to do this. So basically goonz can do whatever they want in eve now and cant be stopped, i mean before it took the strongest alliance in the game and 20 freaking titans!! The beginning of the end i think. Do goonz have a purpose now? I mean BoB was what made goonz goonz! They really wana live with no-one that can stop them, no challenge? no fun? I forsee massive player loss. (my questions where rhetoric, please dont flame, discuss)
Jackal 911 Caldari Ixion Defence Systems Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.02.06 03:53:00 - [267] I doubt you'll see player loss, with eve shipping to stores. You'll see the same #'s, if not more... More noobs to shoot? I call that incentive to stick around.
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.06 03:54:00 - [268] this is bollox, does everyone agree this is bollox?
derek23 Gallente Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.02.06 05:33:00 - [269] lol i think Disbanded of Brothers is in denile that this happend...time to see ccp help them out
Aniel Zaar Gallente Light of Orion Soviet Mercenary	Posted - 2009.02.06 06:23:00 - [270] Edited by: Aniel Zaar on 06/02/2009 06:23:19 BoB planned it all to hide themselves from certain and humiliating defeat. They shot themselves in the head, died, will rot, and then a new alliance will grow from that fertilized soil. Or maybe it's just going to remain a rotten corpse.

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